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slomo wrote:...What frightens me is the creeping totalitarianism of thought that insists that we must believe in all propositions that are accepted as Truth by the mainstream, consensus reality, by "authoritative sources", and that we have no freedom to test, empirically by our own means, the value of these "truths" in our own lives. The idea that the state and its organs, and Authorities of all types have a right and a duty to force orthodoxy upon the unwashed masses is the fundamental atrocity that, for me, underlies much of what is discussed on this forum.
Nordic wrote:Yeah just saw this over at Cryptogon. Glad you posted this.
I really thought the article would be one of those "you can't believe what this guy is proposing!" types of things.
But no, it's actually a piece written by the guy who is proposing, on Slate, that websites do this! He's serious and apparently they are, too, if they're posting this without commentary.
Wow.
The Truth Police are right behind the Thought Police.
Given that censorship of search engines is not an appealing or even particularly viable option, what can be done to ensure that users are made aware that all the pseudoscientific advice they are likely to encounter may not be backed by science?
Unfortunately, Google's recent embrace of social search, whereby links shared by our friends on Google's own social network suddenly gain prominence in our search results, moves the company in the opposite direction. It's not unreasonable to think that denialists of global warming or benefits of vaccination are online friends with other denialists.
slomo wrote:What frightens me is the creeping totalitarianism of thought that insists that we must believe in all propositions that are accepted as Truth by the mainstream, consensus reality, by "authoritative sources",
and that we have no freedom to test, empirically by our own means, the value of these "truths" in our own lives.
The idea that the state and its organs, and Authorities of all types have a right and a duty to force orthodoxy upon the unwashed masses is the fundamental atrocity that, for me, underlies much of what is discussed on this forum.
brainpanhandler wrote:slomo wrote:What frightens me is the creeping totalitarianism of thought that insists that we must believe in all propositions that are accepted as Truth by the mainstream, consensus reality, by "authoritative sources",
To be sure Morozov is suggesting we take a first few steps on that slippery slope.and that we have no freedom to test, empirically by our own means, the value of these "truths" in our own lives.
He' definitely not suggesting that and I'm not sure how it could possibly be accomplished anyway.... except by making sure people are not equipped to do so. Think shitty public education system.The idea that the state and its organs, and Authorities of all types have a right and a duty to force orthodoxy upon the unwashed masses is the fundamental atrocity that, for me, underlies much of what is discussed on this forum.
Except, to be fair, Morozov is not suggesting that either. What he is suggesting, among other things, is that search engines organize results and try to provide a balance, which includes both fringe theories and orthodoxy.
Obviously, his suggestions could easily be used to steer people away from information harmful to the state or powerful interests and institutions. But that happens already, doesn't it?
The best solution by far is to teach our children to think critically for themselves. Unsurprisingly the public education system is not doing that. Rather, the public education system teaches our children, by and large, to accept orthodoxy.
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