If America pulled 1/20th the shit Syria, Russia, China etc does to its own people I can't even imagine the reaction people would have. America gets called fascist for banning dancing at a public monument. Politely put, I find it odd that there's no blanket condemnation of fascism and tyranny. It's like, oh yeah....Iran hangs gay people, but uh, the US hates Iran so Iran is good.
I'm against all tyrannies and evil governments. Western, Arab, Asian, etc governments who do horrible things internally and overseas. I have no problem with anti Russian, anti Chinese, anti Sudanese, etc 'propaganda' because I also support anti American, anti British, etc propaganda.
I mean, one could claim ALL uprisings are CIA spook setups. I know about OTPOR, but I agree the sentiment was real. One could claim Occupy, Assange/Wikileaks, Manning, Pussy Riot, etc is all fake, all CIA. I dont subscribe to the leftist conspiracy view that the Serbs were setup and the massacres were faked. Of course, we also know genuine public outrage and revolutions are largely co-opted by the PTB.[/quote]
I have no idea who says Iran is good, as it were. Who? Maybe some of the "Workers World Party" Ramsey Clark crowd. Yeah, them; other than that I don't see it. Iran is indefensible in every way imaginable.
I do, though, think the U.S. certainly pulls 1/20th the shit Russia does, in many ways just as much shit. For instance, the U.S. has the highest per capita prison population in the world. Is this not the most overt form of oppression? The "fascism" is more stealth here, because there are several Americas. Things aren't so rough on the overt fascism front for middle-class white people, but the crack-ridden ghettos are extremely raw with brutality. Admittedly, it's hard to compete with China on raw oppression, but, of course, it's a global system; Chinese factory workers are making U.S. goods.
8bit, you're uninformed about Serbia/Yugoslavia; you should read some Michael Parenti or www.tenc.net
. Milosevic was no progressive hero, but NATO didn't bomb his people back to the stone age because of perceived human rights abuses, rather because quasi-socialist Yugoslavia wasn't going along with the transnational privatization fest. If Serbs were guilty of "massacres" some evidence needs to be shown; there isn't any.
But back on topic, Pussy Riot seems great. I like the rebellion against the church. I see no compelling evidence that they were aided by some western spooks. That this fiasco is being exploited heavily by the western press, which has been giving wildly disproportionate attention to the Kasparov-led protests over the past couple years because of U.S./NATO dislike of Putin/Medvedev is *really fucking obvious and not really refutable, if you've been following this stuff.* There's been a media conspiracy to cast Putin as a tyrant for quite some time, and this played nicely into the narrative. Putin just doesn't seem to care much about international opinion. The questions of interest should be- why is the U.S. and allies so upset with Putin? Does this strife have the potential to threaten a world war? Are U.S. war hawks going to make a serious attempt at a missile defense shield at some point? etc. I noticed there was some talk a couple years ago in the CFR crowd about drawing Russia into NATO- there are differing opinions on "beat em" vs. "join em" (or its inverse, as it were) re: Russia. It seems those "join em" voices have faded, though; the reset failed. Don't underestimate the influence of Zbigniew Brzezinski, who wrote, "For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia... Now a non-Eurasian power is preeminent in Eurasia - and America's global primacy is directly dependent on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained."
Meanwhile, Russia's getting friendlier with Iran, which supports Hezbollah, and with trigger-happy nutcases on both sides of the I/P divide, big-picture geopolitical crisis seems to be escalating, not de-escalating.
I agree with c2w's take on Webster Tarpley and William Engdahl- both have a lot of truth, but both very much Larouchites, which tarnishes them heavily. Still worth listening to, imo.
JackRiddler, I don't think we really disagree- unacceptable and draconian repression of peaceful protest on both sides of the world.