American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

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American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Saurian Tail » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:47 am

U.S. soldier detained after opening fire on Afghans; at least 16 killed

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March 11, 2012

KABUL— An American soldier wandered outside his base in a remote southern Afghan village shortly before dawn Sunday and opened fire on civilians inside homes, killing at least 16, Afghan and U.S. officials said.

The attack marked perhaps the grisliest act by a U.S. soldier in the decade-long Afghan war and seemed all but certain to stoke anti-American anger in a crucial battleground as foreign troops start to thin out in the south. Afghan officials said women and children were among those killed in Panjwai district of Kandahar Province, the birthplace of the Taliban movement.

Coming as Afghan rage over last month’s burning of Korans by U.S. soldiers was beginning to taper off, the killings threatened to spark a new crisis in the strained relationship between Washington and Kabul. The two nations are in the midst of contentious negotiations over an agreement that could extend the presence of U.S. troops in the country beyond 2014.

Officials shed no light on the motive or state of mind of the staff sergeant who was taken into custody shortly after the alleged massacre.

“He walked right off the base, started shooting civilians and returned to the base and turned himself in,” Maj. Jason Waggnor, a U.S. military spokesman said.

U.S. military officials stressed that the shooting was carried out by a lone, rogue soldier, differentiating it from past instances of civilians killed accidentally during military operations.

“I cannot explain the motivation behind such callous acts,” Lt. Gen. Adrian J. Bradshaw, the deputy commander of the international troop coalition in Afghanistan said in a statement. “They were in no way part of authorized military activity.”

Fazal Mohammad Esaqzai, the deputy chief of the provincial council, said enraged villagers loaded the bodies into cars and drove to the entrance of the nearby American base to demand answers.

“They were very angry,” said Esaqzai, who was part of an investigative delegation that visited the villages where the shootings took place. “They wanted to do something to take revenge.”

Esaqzai, who said he saw the 16 bodies, provided the following account. Around midnight, 11 people, including three women; four children whose ages ranged between six and nine; and three men were executed inside the home of a village elder.

“They entered the room where the women and children were sleeping and they were all shot in the head,” Esaqzai said, adding that he was doubtful of the U.S. account suggesting the killings were the work of a lone gunman. “They were all shot in the head.”

After roughly an hour, residents in a nearby village heard gunshots, and later discovered the corpses of five men inside two nearby houses, Esaqzai said.


At least five people wounded in the shooting spree were being treated at a U.S. military medical facility. Afghan and U.S. officials braced for a larger outcry later in the week.

“We assure the people of Afghanistan that the individual or individuals responsible for this act will be identified and brought to justice,” the U.S. Embassy in Kabul said in a statement.

The Taliban was quick to weigh in on the incident, characterizing it as a “massacre” committed during the course of a night raid by American and Afghan forces.

“The so-called American peace keepers have once again quenched their thirst with the blood of innocent Afghan civilians,” the Taliban statement said.

Provincial officials sent an investigative team to the villages where the shootings took place. The U.S. military launched its own probe.

“We strongly condemn this incident,” Zaimai Ayoubi, a spokesman for the provincial governor said.

Panjwai, southwest of Kandahar City, has been one of the most challenging battlegrounds for international forces here. The area was the cradle of the Taliban movement in the early 1990s, and the militant group has fought hard to maintain control over villages.

Wresting Kandahar Province from Taliban control was one of the chief objectives of President Obama’s 2009 troop surge. U.S. military officials say they have been largely successful in restoring a semblance of Afghan government control in areas once controlled by the Taliban. As the foreign troop footprint starts to shrink in the south, many Afghans fear the Taliban will regain its lost ground.

While anger over the burning of Korans last month sparked nationwide riots and protests, and prompted Afghan security forces to open fire on U.S. troops, reaction to the desecration of holy books was relatively muted in the south.

Sunday’s death toll was far higher than the notorious string of killings allegedly carried out in 2010 by a rogue U.S. army platoon that became known as the “Kill Team.” The slaying of at least three men in the Maywand District of Kandahar became one of the biggest scandals of the Afghan war, after investigators found that soldiers had kept body parts as trophies and passed off unarmed victims as insurgents.

Afghans were also angered early this year, when a video showing U.S. Marines urinating on the bodies of suspected insurgents was posted online.

If Sunday’s shootings spawn a wave of protests and retaliatory attacks, it could set a grim tone as the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan heads to Washington this week for official meetings and a hearing on Capitol Hill.

Hamdard is a special correspondent.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Elihu » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:55 am

too bad afghanis can't vote in the primaries. sux for them...
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Postby JackRiddler » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:18 pm

thanks for the item.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Nordic » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:43 pm

The account I first read, posted by Cindy Sheehan, said there was a group of americans, laughing and acting quite drunk. I'll post it when I can get back to a real computer.


On edit:

I think its this link:

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/b ... r-shooting

Neighbors and relatives of the dead said they had seen a group of U.S. soldiers arrive at their village in Kandahar’s Panjwayii district at about 2a.m., enter homes and open fire.

A senior U.S. defence official in Washington rejected witness accounts that several apparently drunk soldiers were involved. “Based on the preliminary information we have this account is flatly wrong,” the official said. “We believe one U.S. service member acted alone, nota group of U.S. soldiers.”

An Afghan man who said his children were killed in the shooting spree accused soldiers of later burning the bodies.

U.S. President Barack Obama said he was deeply saddened. “This incident is tragic and shocking and does not represent the exceptional characterof our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan,” Obamasaid in a statement.

“INTENTIONAL MURDERS”
Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the rampage as “intentional murders” and demanded an explanation from the United States. His office said the dead included nine children and three women.

Afghan officials gave varying accounts of the number of shooters involved in the incident. Karzai’s office released a statement quoting a villager as saying “American soldiers woke my family up and shot them in the face.”
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Nordic » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:09 pm

Bumping for the edit I added above, which I should have just put in a new comment
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby justdrew » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:14 pm

why would the guards let one or a group leave the base at 2am?
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Postby StarmanSkye » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:48 pm

As awful & horrid as this latest incident is, what really stood-out for me in the preceeding that has been written -- for the sheer outrageous arrogance of its presumptious 'sincerity' in the face of brazen duplicity
-- is this:

" “This incident is tragic and shocking and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan,” Obama said in a statement."

Just about EVERYTHING the US has done 'for' and 'to' the citizens & nation of Afghanistan for at least 60 years constitutes a history of foreign policy towards 3rd world developing nations characterized by treachery, betrayal, exploitation and disrespect -- for the sake of an extremist & reactionary agenda that has no regard for human rights, sovereignty, representative self-rule, non-interference, or the national self-interest of nation-states.

As to how or why camp guards would 'allow' a single soldier or small group to leave camp in the middle of the night -- I dunno how security is handled, but w/o doubt having small groups leave camp for late-night ops is SOP, I guess orders/permission could be faked, or egress could have been brazened-thru, or guards could be complicit -- perhaps unauthorized late-night leavings are not that rare? I dunno but the range of killings seems a bit much for a lone soldier to commit. Not sure we'll ever get the complete story -- not officially, anyway.
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Postby Simulist » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:18 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:As awful & horrid as this latest incident is, what really stood-out for me in the preceeding that has been written -- for the sheer outrageous arrogance of its presumptious 'sincerity' in the face of brazen duplicity
-- is this:

" “This incident is tragic and shocking and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan,” Obama said in a statement."

Just about EVERYTHING the US has done 'for' and 'to' the citizens & nation of Afghanistan for at least 60 years constitutes a history of foreign policy towards 3rd world developing nations characterized by treachery, betrayal, exploitation and disrespect -- for the sake of an extremist & reactionary agenda that has no regard for human rights, sovereignty, representative self-rule, non-interference, or the national self-interest of nation-states.

Thank you. I was having a conversation earlier this morning (IRL) wherein I said almost exactly the same thing.

In fact, frankly, that is what the U.S. has been about since its very inception — and if anyone might like clarification about the U.S.' long history of "treachery, betrayal, exploitation, and disrespect," s/he should begin with studying the United States' treatment of its own indigenous inhabitants.

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Postby Saurian Tail » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Afghani women: "The Americans are always threatening us with dogs and helicopters during night raids."

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Postby The Consul » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:13 pm

Islamic world (and most of European world) will believe witnesses before they believe comments from mustards miles away. This is going to get very ugly.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Nordic » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:49 pm

The Consul wrote:Islamic world (and most of European world) will believe witnesses before they believe comments from mustards miles away. This is going to get very ugly.



I believe them too. Why shouldn't I? And it makes more sense anyway, why would this kind of grotesque bullying happen by a loner? This sort of crime is almost always done by a small group/gang. Its such a cowardly act, almost unimaginable that "he" would have done it alone, where there might actually be some risk to himself involved. The pentagon is lying like they always fucking do.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby compared2what? » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:12 pm

Even if it was one soldier, it's really, really bad beyond any point that's realistically defensible, politically or morally. It's not like we (or anyone) can argue that the slaughter of Afghani civilians by US/NATO troops has been offset by the many fabulous benefits that the Afghanis enjoy as a result of the US/NATO occupation.

Honestly, who wouldn't rather fight to live under the Taliban or -- ftm -- for any other available option than continue to put up with it?

I mean, even Stalin industrialized. I'm not saying it was worth the cost. But at the end of the day, still-living Soviets had factories. We're not even pretending to have a five-year or any other kind of plan for Afghanistan. We just kill people there. That's all we do. At least factories are something.

I'm afraid this one may be an assassination-of-Franz-Ferdinand type of casus belli, except more understandable.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:38 pm

Barack Obama wrote:“This incident is tragic and shocking and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan.”


"Tragic" is the weasel-word par excellence, and therefore beloved of politicians. (So who fell from a great height? Nobody.) "Tragic" now means "politically inexpedient, but we have a technology for that." Or, more succinctly: "Shit happens, nobody's to blame".

Barack Obama wrote:shocking


Translation: "Not easy to spin, but we'll manage it, because nobody important really cares anyway".

Barack Obama wrote:the exceptional character of our military


What, all of 'em, collectively? They're all great guys? And "exceptional" as opposed to which other "military", precisely? And why?

Exceptionally what? Please specify.

Barack Obama wrote:the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan


Wait a minute! Did you notice what he did there? Who's "respecting" whom here? "The" United States? (He speaks for everyone!) "The people" of Afghanistan? WTF? So we have politicians pretending to be a nation pretending to be a person pretending to respect the citizens of a state (which they are occupying, having conquered it by overwhelming force).

You have to remember: this shite was vetted by at least a dozen hotshots before it saw the gloomy light of day.

I was going to say that Barack Obama is beneath contempt, but (credit where credit is due) he does still manage to remain contemptible. Not all politicians have such stamina, only most of them.
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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby eyeno » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:02 pm

Things that make ya go hmmmm....This is not Vietnam. We don't have free range reporters running around leaking news. We have embedded reporters getting news out that WAS meant to get out, for whatever reaason...

Other things that make ya go hmmmm....

Coming as Afghan rage over last month’s burning of Korans by U.S. soldiers


Really? Who leaked that?


U.S. military officials stressed that the shooting was carried out by a lone, rogue soldier, differentiating it from past instances of civilians killed accidentally during military operations.


That lone wolf? Damn him he went crazy again...


Esaqzai, who said he saw the 16 bodies, provided the following account. Around midnight, 11 people,
After roughly an hour,


That minute to midnight thing is rough...


“They entered the room where the women and children were sleeping and they were all shot in the head,”



“This incident is tragic and shocking and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan,” Obama said in a statement.


I know he be straight up in his speakin...


justdrew wrote:
why would the guards let one or a group leave the base at 2am?


for real tho, you would think with all those bullets flying around that folks wouldn't get out of the cage with a gun huh?
It was that lone wolf.


It's not like we (or anyone) can argue that the slaughter of Afghani civilians by US/NATO troops has been offset by the many fabulous benefits that the Afghanis enjoy as a result of the US/NATO occupation.



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Re: American Soldier(s) Massacre 16 Afghan Civilians

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:07 am

My wife had to use my computer most of the day, and she had to go to the verizon site to check her e-mail.

And all day long, the top "news" story on that page was this:

http://entertainment.verizon.com/news/r ... 00L6_UNEWS


Double sacrifice: Family loses sons in Afghanistan


PRESCOTT, Ark. (AP) — When their older brother Jeremy died in Afghanistan, Ben and Beau Wise did what loyal brothers and soldiers do. They stood solemnly in uniform at his memorial, laid red roses in front of his picture, and Ben spoke bravely to a chapel full of loved ones who came to mourn.

Soldiers themselves, Ben and Beau knew what their fallen brother had experienced and seen. They knew the difficulties of being a warrior and a devoted husband, and what a testament it was to Jeremy's character that he had excelled at both.

"Jeremy, I miss you and I love you, brother," Ben said. "And see you again."

Two years later, Ben died at a hospital in Germany after an insurgent attack left him with injuries that first cost him his legs, then cost him his life. He was 34, a year younger than Jeremy was when a suicide bomber killed him at a CIA base where he was working as a defense contractor.

For a family that had already paid the highest price of war, it was time for another funeral, another eulogy, another grave.

The eldest Wise boys are two of the thousands of Americans who have died since the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan began. But they share a link that most do not: They were brothers.

"They laid down their lives, both of them, so that others could live," their mother, Mary Wise, said.



Pardon me while I ....

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Gee, what a coinkydink that story would be there today!
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