The Delphi Technique and #Occupy

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Re: The Delphi Technique and #Occupy

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed May 09, 2012 8:59 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:This resonated with me- "Beware of coincidences" -



Well it would wouldn't it.
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Re: The Delphi Technique and #Occupy

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri May 11, 2012 11:57 am

Now we're cooking with gas: gonna be a long hot summer in the Year of the Dragon!

First: http://nation.foxnews.com/occupy-wall-s ... ts-exposed

Which is notable just for the awkward yet strangely compelling neologism of "Lib-Terrorists" -- but the content itself was lifted from this humdinger:

Via: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... sADMXlek4L

Occupy’s dark heart
The movement’s first bombers
By Rich "Objectivity" Lowry

The Cleveland Five are a sad-sack collection of wannabe terrorists if there ever was one. The amateurish young men who plotted to destroy a bridge outside Cleveland last week give the impression of needing the attention of a guidance counselor as much as a federal prosecutor.

But there’s no mistaking the seriousness of their attempted act. They allegedly planted what they thought were live bricks of C-4 underneath a well-traveled bridge connecting two suburban Ohio communities and repeatedly tried to detonate them.

The Cleveland Five have the honor of being the first bombers spawned by Occupy Wall Street, and may not be the last. They rejected the nonviolence advocated by Occupy Cleveland’s leaders, but they were active in the movement and perfectly represent the “black bloc” anarchism that is a part of it. If their stupidity and recklessness are different in degree from their fellow self-styled revolutionaries, they’re not different in kind. They’re the left’s homegrown terrorists.

Accused ringleader Douglas Wright was noted for his quiet commitment to Occupy Cleveland. Fellow plotter Brandon Baxter got arrested protesting foreclosures and organized an event called “Occupy the Heart Festival” that was supposed to kick-start Occupy Cleveland after a moribund winter.

Another plotter, Josh Stafford, listed Occupy protests on Facebook as his job. Yet another, Anthony Hayne, signed the lease for a warehouse used as living quarters by Occupy Cleveland protesters.

The Cleveland Five are the pathetic sons of Occupy — rootless, underemployed, drunk on a sophomoric radicalism, alienated from the American system to the point of lawlessness. One Occupy leader told The [Cleveland] Plain Dealer that Wright — a drifter with no known address and a checkered past — struck him as “stereotypical.”

An FBI informant met Wright at an Occupy Cleveland event where he was part of a group wearing the traditional regalia of masks and black clothing. They struck up a relationship, and Wright confided that he and fellow anarchists wanted to make a dramatic statement against corporations and the US government. Wright talked about knocking the bank signs off buildings in downtown Cleveland. The plotters mused about bombing everything from the Klan to the Federal Reserve until they settled on the Brecksville-Northfield High Level Bridge.

It would be instantly rendered a shovel-ready project as a symbolic blow against the system. Despite their exertions, the plotters couldn’t set off the inert explosives and were soon swept up by the FBI.

It had to be a relief to “99 percent” commuters who didn’t know they were participating in their own repression by driving back and forth on State Route 82 over Cuyahoga Valley National Park.

As far as terroristic “propaganda of the deed” goes, an Ohio bridge doesn’t make any less sense as a target than the Greenwich Observatory that anarchists wanted to destroy in Joseph Conrad’s novel “The Secret Agent.”

Blowing up a bridge is like smashing a window — a favorite pastime of the anarchists at West Coast Occupy protests — only on a much larger and more hazardous scale. The spirit of nihilistic destructiveness is the same.

As is the flouting of laws and authority. This tendency isn’t limited to anarchists but is at the heart of Occupy.

Writing in The Nation, Michael Moore imagines “nonviolent assaults” (whatever that means) on Wall Street and “wave after wave of arrests” in an attempt to shut it down. The romance of confrontation with the police is more central to Occupy than any specific agenda item. The movement welcomes a “diversity of tactics,” which means accepting the masked anarchists who are delighted so long as stuff gets, in the charming words of Wright contemplating his bridge, “f---ed up.”

If the Cleveland Five had been right-wing haters of the government, everyone in America would know their names by now. Instead, they’re a neglected sign of what nastiness lurks in Occupy’s fetid ideological stew.


Lowry is, of course, from the National Review brothel. Some real winners over there -- I have great respect for many of the minds who made that publication great, but it's fallen on hard times in the past decade. Big brands never die pretty, you know?

Anyways, so much to unpack there I won't even bother. It's a 1:1 roadmap of the kind of coverage we can expect this summer, and a smart attempt to shift the #Occupy conversation into territory Americans are more familiar and comfortable with: terrorism.
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Re: The Delphi Technique and #Occupy

Postby justdrew » Fri May 11, 2012 5:10 pm

these so-called anarchists are a major problem, they need to be pushed out of the movement ASAP. Any hot-heads able to contemplate such insane actions are a major threat, totally unacceptable. These five idiots (and the black bloc generally, the foolish children of zerzan) have done so much damage, because they were stupid enough to think blowing something up would promote in any way sane goals.

There's a lot of loud mouth shit talkers wanting to "fuck shit up" out there, it's sad, somewhat understandable, but they need to rise above and forget it. All they're doing is making themselves fodder for the prison industry.

I don't like the entrapment aspect, but it's undeniable that they DID WHAT THEY DID, totally unacceptable.
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Re: The Delphi Technique and #Occupy

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Re: The Delphi Technique and #Occupy

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Re: The Delphi Technique and #Occupy

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu May 17, 2012 12:31 am

justdrew wrote:these so-called anarchists are a major problem, they need to be pushed out of the movement ASAP.


Is there any way to do that which does not run counter to the ideals and purpose of the Occupy model?
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