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Its now been 30 years since the "Franklin" saga began and about 22 years since knowledge of it became public. It also tended to be the most controversial, taboo and seemingly dangerous
topics for exploration. People always talked about "oh this or that person is a disinfo agent" or "this 9/11 whistleblower was knocked off"....but realistically speaking, not since JFK has there been
an event Ive seen that truly seemed to have a lot of unfortunate things happen to witnesses/whistleblowers/related folks to it.

I was talking today over lunch with someone in mental health whose coworker also spends a lot of time in the field of fighting runaway/underage prostitution/exploitation cases, and was surprised they hadnt heard about this case tho they werent surprised it happened(even if it didnt happen to the extreme as claimed in the 1993 Franklin coverup book)
Its frightening to think, as someone(me) who was a kid at the time in the early 80s to realize that some of those famous missing boys cases hyped at the time might have been related to these networks.

I asked this last year in regards to the ten year annv of 9/11, about 'whats been accomplished/what do we now know/etc' and the sentiment felt like not much.
But 22 years after Franklin, Im curious whats come out. It seemed like the bizarre and somewhat goofy Gannon/Gosch spectacle of 2005 was the last time it was a blip on the radar.
There was suppose to be a documentary a few years ago, but the guy turned out to be pushing holocaust denial and trolling 9/11 truth conferences. Then there was suppose to be a serious
new documentary rexamining Franklin Coverup(with a rather graphic and hard to watch trailer at that) but it seems like it never got made.

Like Dutrox, for some reason the 82-90 Franklin saga is one of the most frightening of more modern para-political events to look at. A topic almost too close to 'woo' for some, as much as its rooted in real life.

It's just for all the 'the ptb are trying to silence people on 9/11 truth dammit!!!" Ive heard people go on about, it seems like Franklin has been the topic thats been a bit too hot to handle.

[quote="8bitagent" It seemed like the bizarre and somewhat goofy Gannon/Gosch spectacle of 2005 was the last time it was a blip on the radar.
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Uh, hello:



As far as I know, Nick is still working on his documentary. See the Franklin sub-forum for some relatively recent media appearances.

Also, this is as good a place as any for me to broach this subject. I hadn't brought it up yet because as earnest as he is, I'm not certain Mr. Shurter is actually helping the cause, as he comes off as a bit off, and sometimes more than a bit. He's published his memoir. I haven't read the final version but I read most of an earlier edit and he describes all kinds of crimes and names his family members and accuses his now deceased father of murder. His step mother, who is still alive, has her attorney send letters to any and all venues where David shows up to sell his book, and has gotten a restraining order against him. If there's one thing I say for David, he's got an iron set of ovaries.

Rabbit Hole: A Satanic Ritual Abuse Survivor's Story
http://www.amazon.com/Rabbit-Hole-Satanic-Ritual-Survivors/dp/0984893717/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335581607&sr=1-1

He posts letters from the police and his family telling on his website. It's like a train wreck soap opera.
http://davidshurter.com/

Yesterday he and DeCamp, were interviewed on a right wing Christian radio show.

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* John DeCamp, one of the 1% of attorneys in America not deserving to go
to prison, due to the way the 99% are either incompetent, ruthless, greedy,
and/or criminals, because most don't seek justice, only your money. He
wrote his best selling book, THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP: Child Abuse,
Satanism and Murder in Nebraska (YOUR STATE & NATIONWIDE)!


* David Shurter, raised a Satanist by his parents in Omaha, Nebraska, he
dined with DeCamp and Noreen Gosch six or seven years ago, but never
spoke to them again, until I had the priviledge of doing a three-way with
DeCamp and Shurter today. When Shurter told them he was a victim of
CIA/Nazi/Satanist Lt. Col. Michael Angelo (Michael the Angel) Aquino and
that he had been to many of the local, state, national, and internationally
famous people exposed in DeCamp's book, DeCamp told him, "When you
release your book, you will blow the lid off of everything!" Please pray for each
of us, for "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against..."

David is the first victim of THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP to write a book,
THE RABBIT HOLE, but we trust that he won't be the last. He first showed
it to friends two months ago, but this is his first major publicity, as the
three of us team up, not only on the air, twice this week, but also next
week, as we tour Colorado.

Shurter is also involved with this group. http://natrcoalition.org/ It's difficult to determine if they've accomplished anything at all in the year and a half they've existed, outside of fatally splintering what little there was of the ra/mc activist survivor community. It's very sad. We need advocates who aren't themselves so severely traumatized. We need an army of Nick Bryants.

Oh Willow I remember when that came out a couple years ago...I just meant if anything this year/more recent had come out or if that film had come out.
Never heard of Rabbit Hole.

To be perfectly frank...I feel when it comes to this twilight world in recounting deep state tied S/RA abuse, its very hard for someone to tell if someone is genuine in their accounts, if some of their accounts or all of it is a fib brought on by another sort of mental breakdown, or something else entirely. Weve seen countless evidence of this sort of stuff going on, from Italy and Belgium to all over. Its just sometimes, I get the sense some big names in that research community...I dont want to say hucksters, but perhaps a bit high on the ego. Like Im sure Ted Gundersen genuinely encountered some bad stuff, but I dont believe his "Tim Osman" bin Laden story, and I question some of his other stuff. In the late 90s and early zeroes, Cathy O'brien and Mark Phillips were a big thing as well as others who had published books. I dont doubt for a second all these women went through extreme, soul shattering abuse over prolonged periods. I just wonder how much of the claims made are real.

So yeah, I am cautious when it comes to people related to these topics appearing on right wing/christian/fringe conspiracy shows as well as having spotty track records. Not to question a genuine quench for truth and getting this info out there...and lets face it, often the right wing/christian/conspiracy mileu is the ONLY radio that will air this sort of stuff(I never once saw firedoglake, huffpo, rawstory, etc mention bryants work or anything relating to this topic)
So while stories of government officials deeply tied to cults or child sex slavery rings is mainstream news(Chile, Portugal, Italy, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Sudan, Dubai, Netherlands, and all the UN/Dyncorp stuff) happens OVER THERE...(especially Scotland/UK and that crazy evil high weirdness stuff covered exhaustively here), people are VERY, almost to 9/11 gatekeeper levels, *very* unwilling to acknowlege that stuff here.

People bring up FMS, netflix documentaries like "witch hunt(2008, which was pretty good)" and "Satanic panic hysteria" and poo poo anyone who makes claims or brings this stuff up...but Ive met enough people over the years through mental health work and elsewhere to know theres a lot of cases of pretty evil abuse that goes on. That church story from a few years back as an example. I mean I fully accept life is often more bizarre and troubling than most want to admit...so I cant say Shurter, Cathy Obrien, etc are wholly untruthful. I just dont know...but I do think at times theres some people with hucksterish agendas.

Also side note, I cringe whenever Alex Jones or Christian conspiracy radio has these guests on or broaches the Franklin topic as they always have to accentuate and overstate HOMOSEXUAL.
Its like yeah I get it, a lot of Republicans are closet and gay and have no problem abusing boys. And that boys town was used to prey on young males.

But as a staunch LGBT rights defender, I just get really offput by the anti gay agenda vibe from Alex Jones, Christian fringe networks, etc.

Spooks made some decoys for the kidz. Can't horrify them with that stuff. Countering FDR's New Deal fits right in, too.
Published by CIA-Scholastic in the USA-

"Eulice Washington uttered the earliest known documented allegations of child abuse against King in 1986. I was particularly interested in interviewing her because she was the first of the alleged victims to step forward..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_the_Turtle_(books)

.....
Franklin in the Dark, illustrated by Brenda Clark, Kids Can Press (Toronto, Ontario, Canada), 1986.
Hurry Up, Franklin, illustrated by Brenda Clark, Kids Can Press (Toronto, Ontario, Canada), 1989, Scholastic (New York, NY), 1990.
Franklin Fibs, illustrated by Brenda Clark, Scholastic (New York, NY), 1991.
Franklin Is Lost, illustrated by Brenda Clark, Scholastic (New York, NY), 1992.
Franklin Is Bossy, illustrated by Brenda Clark, Scholastic (New York, NY), 1993.
Franklin Is Messy, illustrated by Brenda Clark, Scholastic (New York, NY), 1994.

Interesting with the decoy stuff

Of course I know that the ruling classes are statistically loaded with psychopaths and power-perverts.

But the most important moving part is the Strategic Culture...the psyops umbrella of cover-up, conditioning, and misdirection....that enables and thus guarantees crimes of impunity by that elite ruling class.

Meaning....the psychopaths who KNOW there's a psyops shield buffering the masses frrom things that would outrage them exploit the impunity to perpetrate that the shield provides them...whether it is election fraud, looting the Fed budget, or mangling little boys' genitals...

8bitagent wrote:Interesting with the decoy stuff

s.o.p.

As I've been trying to explain for years now...

Franklin the Turtle is CIA? An agency boy? What a drag. I wish you'd mentioned that before I read almost every Franklin book in the library to my daughter. You ought to be a bit more pro-active with this stuff, really, Hugh. I feel almost as though I've been lied to.

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Of course I know that the ruling classes are statistically loaded with psychopaths and power-perverts.

But the most important moving part is the Strategic Culture...the psyops umbrella of cover-up, conditioning, and misdirection....that enables and thus guarantees crimes of impunity by that elite ruling class.

Meaning....the psychopaths who KNOW there's a psyops shield buffering the masses frrom things that would outrage them exploit the impunity to perpetrate that the shield provides them...whether it is election fraud, looting the Fed budget, or mangling little boys' genitals...

I apologize, I read your post in haste. Rereading it Hugh, I see more of what you were leaning towards there. Im just unhappy with how this stuff is used by the Alex Jones/christian radio shows to use as an attack on gay people. But I can see another dense layering going on here that you mention.

I mean the "Homosexuals in the white house" wapost headline and the NBC short clip from 1989 on it...funny how they frame it. And the whole Gannon/Bush thing in 2005.

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:

8bitagent wrote:Interesting with the decoy stuff

s.o.p.

As I've been trying to explain for years now...

Notice how the decoy stuff was not even hidden after 9/11? All the skull and bones stuff, top headline news about military planners meeting with spielberg and other hollywood writers,
movies like P2, or even Rumsfeldian strategies like "P2OG". Theres also all the films ala Shooter, Knowing, Number 23, etc. into all this stuff. Or The International.

barracuda wrote:Franklin the Turtle is CIA? An agency boy? What a drag. I wish you'd mentioned that before I read almost every Franklin book in the library to my daughter. You ought to be a bit more pro-active with this stuff, really, Hugh. I feel almost as though I've been lied to.

Heh...while I dont think Franklin the turtle is anything more than the product of the author, I can kind of see what Hugh means in other ways about seeding the public in misdirection. I mean we saw that so much between 2002 and 2005 in media/film/tv/print

barracuda wrote:Franklin the Turtle is CIA? An agency boy? What a drag.

Yes. Exactly.

Children are the front line of psyops. As the US military declared in print in 1942 when they published a primer on psyops that quoted Gordon Allport who specifically recommended targeting children for long term effects.

What a surprise.

I know, I know... but he seemed like such a nice young hatchling, always polite and helping people. And now to find out this? It's a betrayal.

Scholastic publishing, with their easy-to-see red logo on kiddie books...
...as been a CIA inject into the US public school system since the Cold War revved up in the early 1950s.

Scholastic printed up booklets to indoctrinate US soldiers in Cold War ideology in the early 1960s.
So when CIA-Scholastic dishes up a "Franklin" series....watch out.