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Especially regarding the Trayvon fallout, it seems like its mostly 'right wing' pundits saying the media has been aggressively fanning and stoking the flames of racial divide and tension with the case.
While I will never forgive the right pundits for their role in anti LGBT climate or stoking the war on terror crap, I think they do have a point here. It almost feels like, least in march and april, the media was beside themselves shaping the public discourse and creating this tinderbox sensationalism.

Not only does the media NOT cover racist cop killings of innocent black people, but they refuse to cover all the unspeakably horrendous attacks on white people by black mobs done in the name of 'justice for trayvon'. I thought Maddow did a great job showing how gun violence has exploded in Saint Louis, right when the NRA and Romney came to town. But other things I dont feel the "liberal" media seems to be very good at. When a white kid is chased down, attacked, and set on fire by black assailants yelling "thats what you get white boy", that should also be given coverage and horrify every decent person.

Ive spoke about it before, but it feels like this summer/fall theres people that have an interest in stoking race riots, stoking right wing gun nuts *and* black people to do some very bad things.

It isn't "right wing" to think the media is brainwashing but it fits the agenda. Its just the same old game. It is useful to portray it as such. Just part of the same old game. Divide and conquer.

By using the right to make these claims they further enrage the black people because most black people will staunchly disagree and feel slighted by the inference. Most white people will probably agree. Simply another useful wedge for certain people to use.

In order to subjugate a population it must first be divided and rendered powerless. The poor will fight back but they have no assets with which to fight back. The middle class and upper middle class is in the process of being decimated as we speak.

The strongest remaining wall and barrier against complete subjugation resides within the middle and upper middle class because it still has some assets to fight back with. It also stubbornly clings to its religion and institutions. It is mostly but not completely comprised of white Republican Christians. White Republican Christians are ultimately the target at this advanced stage in the game which is why they are labeled "right wing reactionary bigots" if they decry the fact that their country is being destroyed, their factories stolen and shipped overseas, along with their way of life, etc...

This is about ripping the fabric out of a nation so that it can be subjugated and make no mistake about that fact. Clever schemes and labels have been devised to humiliate those that attempt to preserve their way of life.

The right wing pundits pander to the white people and anybody else who considers themselves Republican in order to enrage both sides against each other. The left wing pundits pander to the minorities, the poor, and anybody else that considers themselves to be Democrat in order to enrage both sides.

In order to subjugate a nation its institutions must be gutted and or co-opted. Education destroyed. Morals corrupted. Food poisoned. Assets stripped. People must be confused about their sexuality, religion, their entire way of life.

People that resist and struggle to maintain their religion, institutions, want to get rid of the fed. res. etc...are labeled Ron Paul loving bigot white supremacists and worse.

At this point in history right and left are nothing more than a joke on all of us and used as a wedge which is why I always laugh inside when I see people in the forum hurling the "right wing reactionary" label around. "Right wing reactionary" was a phrase minted and coined in the factory for a specific purpose. Even people that use the word "bankster" will paint you with it if you talk about getting rid of the fed because getting rid of the fed is THE answer and they know it. The rest of the railing and cussing against banks they do is hot air and a peacock display to control the discourse and keep it in a safe zone.

Those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right" are the prime targets right now and any of them that complain get painted, labeled, and intimidated. When they fall the game is finished because there will be nobody with any assets left to put up a fight.

The end of the game isn't far off.

The people that don't understand this game who also hate "right wing christians" don't understand that these right wing christian people they hate are the last wall standing that is also protecting them as well.

The people that 'do' understand this game and still hate the right wing christians are very possibly part of the game...

The haters better enjoy the middle and upper middle class while they last because when they fall its game over for everybody.

Its a tricky nasty little game, innit?


And no i'm not part of the upper class. I'm poor as a church mouse. I'm just understand the game.

Dude, didn't you get the memo? The media is "liberal".

That is all.

eyeno wrote:It isn't "right wing" to think the media is brainwashing but it fits the agenda. Its just the same old game. It is useful to portray it as such. Just part of the same old game. Divide and conquer.

By using the right to make these claims they further enrage the black people because most black people will staunchly disagree and feel slighted by the inference. Most white people will probably agree. Simply another useful wedge for certain people to use.

In order to subjugate a population it must first be divided and rendered powerless. The poor will fight back but they have no assets with which to fight back. The middle class and upper middle class is in the process of being decimated as we speak.

The strongest remaining wall and barrier against complete subjugation resides within the middle and upper middle class because it still has some assets to fight back with. It also stubbornly clings to its religion and institutions. It is mostly but not completely comprised of white Republican Christians. White Republican Christians are ultimately the target at this advanced stage in the game which is why they are labeled "right wing reactionary bigots" if they decry the fact that their country is being destroyed, their factories stolen and shipped overseas, along with their way of life, etc...

This is about ripping the fabric out of a nation so that it can be subjugated and make no mistake about that fact. Clever schemes and labels have been devised to humiliate those that attempt to preserve their way of life.

The right wing pundits pander to the white people and anybody else who considers themselves Republican in order to enrage both sides against each other. The left wing pundits pander to the minorities, the poor, and anybody else that considers themselves to be Democrat in order to enrage both sides.

In order to subjugate a nation its institutions must be gutted and or co-opted. Education destroyed. Morals corrupted. Food poisoned. Assets stripped. People must be confused about their sexuality, religion, their entire way of life.

People that resist and struggle to maintain their religion, institutions, want to get rid of the fed. res. etc...are labeled Ron Paul loving bigot white supremacists and worse.

At this point in history right and left are nothing more than a joke on all of us and used as a wedge which is why I always laugh inside when I see people in the forum hurling the "right wing reactionary" label around. "Right wing reactionary" was a phrase minted and coined in the factory for a specific purpose. Even people that use the word "bankster" will paint you with it if you talk about getting rid of the fed because getting rid of the fed is THE answer and they know it. The rest of the railing and cussing against banks they do is hot air and a peacock display to control the discourse and keep it in a safe zone.

Those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right" are the prime targets right now and any of them that complain get painted, labeled, and intimidated. When they fall the game is finished because there will be nobody with any assets left to put up a fight.

The end of the game isn't far off.

The people that don't understand this game who also hate "right wing christians" don't understand that these right wing christian people they hate are the last wall standing that is also protecting them as well.

The people that 'do' understand this game and still hate the right wing christians are very possibly part of the game...

The haters better enjoy the middle and upper middle class while they last because when they fall its game over for everybody.

Its a tricky nasty little game, innit?


And no i'm not part of the upper class. I'm poor as a church mouse. I'm just understand the game.

Oh I couldnt agree more.

It sounds shocking...and I will forever despise him for all the crap he said about ACORN and his staunch defense of the war on terror, but I felt Glenn Beck made a good point the other
day. He was saying how the media is playing a dangerous game with the Trayvon fallout. How youre now hearing of a number of savage attacks on white people by some black folks "in the name of Trayvon", mixed with some leaders and celebs calling for 'vigilante justice'. He was mentioning how this will just make the 'bubbas' out there paranoid and feel threatened if more white people are indiscriminately attacked(even if its a few isolated cases) and youll have right wing supremist types possibly doing something and the whole thing is like a tender box.

"They" I feel had ten years with the war on terror/al Qaeda narrative and experiment. Theyve announced its pretty much done, right on cue. Just a gut instinct tells me(and hopefully Im wrong as I often am) the focus domestically in part could be to get back to the dirty business of race politics and getting some sort of race war going. While events like Trayvon are just random events, it's the perfect trial balloon in media manipulation for more *controlled* events or the seeing of "lone wolf" events. All of these things they're seeding(not necessarily directly orchestrating, but perhaps influencing) and the sentiments they create could simply be gasoline ready for the match. And I fear what that match could be.

Im a fringe leftist minority, the kind who thinks Van Jones and Bradley Manning are heroes and that thinks LGBT rights are the modern day civil rights struggle. Yet even I started to feel the Trayvon case was presented by MSNBC/CNN in an uncomfortable way...having celebs tweet addresses, people yelling for vigilante justice...felt like the climate offered was just not very kosher.

No, it isn't "right wing" to think that -- but those who set the boundaries of intelligent discourse would like the smart people (a.k.a. "liberals") -- to think that it is, so that they'd therefore shut up.

simulist wrote:No, it isn't "right wing" to think that -- but those who set the boundaries of intelligent discourse would like the smart people (a.k.a. "liberals") -- to think that it is, so that they'd therefore shut up.

Possibly. So the "liberal media" myth was created and/or is being used to brainwash the right into believing the msm has a liberal bias, but just as importantly to get liberals to believe that only right wing nut jobs believe the msm is a propaganda machine and to therefore distance themselves from the taint of right wing ct nuts and also the truth that the msm is a giant brainwashing tool.

8bit wrote:Oh I couldnt agree more.

You can't find anything to disagree with there?

I can barely find anything to agree with.

eyeno wrote:Those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right" are the prime targets right now and any of them that complain get painted, labeled, and intimidated.

Whose targeting those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right"?

What complaints do they have specifically that trigger them to get "painted, labeled, and intimidated"?

What do they get "painted, labeled, and intimidated" as? "nasty bigoted white christians on the right"?

eyeno wrote:The strongest remaining wall and barrier against complete subjugation resides within the middle and upper middle class because it still has some assets to fight back with. It also stubbornly clings to its religion and institutions. It is mostly but not completely comprised of white Republican Christians ... When they fall the game is finished because there will be nobody with any assets left to put up a fight.

Wait. So my hopes for a sane, just world rest with "white republican christians"?



God help us.

brainpanhandler wrote:

eyeno wrote:Those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right" are the prime targets right now and any of them that complain get painted, labeled, and intimidated.

Whose targeting those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right"?

What complaints do they have specifically that trigger them to get "painted, labeled, and intimidated"?

What do they get "painted, labeled, and intimidated" as? "nasty bigoted white christians on the right"?

I think you're taking Eyeno's statement out of context there. I think his point is it's the middle class that is being targeted, and rightwing christians, who happen to make up the largest sector of the middleclass, are therefore the easiest targets. Not sure if this is true, that rightwing christians make up the largest sector of the middleclass, but I think it's an important distinction.

beeblebrox wrote:I think you're taking Eyeno's statement out of context there.

No I'm not. The statement stands on it's own.

eyeno wrote:Those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right" are the prime targets right now and any of them that complain get painted, labeled, and intimidated.

I'm just asking him to elaborate.

beeblebrox wrote:I think his point is it's the middle class that is being targeted, and rightwing christians, who happen to make up the largest sector of the middleclass, are therefore the easiest targets.

Yah, I got that, except he never says, "easiest" target. I think he believes they are strategically the best target as they are according to him apparently the only political/cultural force capable of opposing the ptb.

I want to know eyeno's answers to:

I wrote:Whose targeting those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right"?

What complaints do they have specifically that trigger them to get "painted, labeled, and intimidated"?

What do they get "painted, labeled, and intimidated" as? "nasty bigoted white christians on the right"?

Those are pretty straight forward questions.

beeblebrox wrote:Not sure if this is true, that rightwing christians make up the largest sector of the middleclass, but I think it's an important distinction.

I was going to get to that later, but if you're not sure if it's true then how do you consider it "an important distinction"? Shouldn't the statements veracity inform it's importance? And what's it's a distinction from?

I was agreeing with the idea that everyone is being manipulated.

And yeah, the ol "well the GOP wants to have imminent domain on my womb...therefore Obama is my savior" sentiment going around is working wonders

brainpanhandler wrote: And what's it's a distinction from?

Eyeno's quote in context vs out of context. Sorry, I could have made that more clear.

but if you're not sure if it's true then how do you consider it "an important distinction"?

See above.

beeblebrox wrote:I think his point is it's the middle class that is being targeted, and rightwing christians, who happen to make up the largest sector of the middleclass, are therefore the easiest targets.

Yah, I got that, except he never says, "easiest" target. I think he believes they are strategically the best target as they are according to him apparently the only political/cultural force capable of opposing the ptb.

No, he specifically said:

eyeno wrote: The strongest remaining wall and barrier against complete subjugation resides within the middle and upper middle class because it still has some assets to fight back with.

He then went on to say:

It also stubbornly clings to its religion and institutions. It is mostly but not completely comprised of white Republican Christians. White Republican Christians are ultimately the target at this advanced stage in the game which is why they are labeled "right wing reactionary bigots" if they decry the fact that their country is being destroyed, their factories stolen and shipped overseas, along with their way of life, etc...

Which I believe is the proper context leading up to the following statement...

Those "nasty bigoted white christians on the right" are the prime targets right now and any of them that complain get painted, labeled, and intimidated.

Definetly some exaggeration there, but also some truth in his overall point, maybe, if he is correct in his assertion that right-wing christians make up the largest sector of the middleclass.

8bitagent wrote:I was agreeing with the idea that everyone is being manipulated.

Well yah. That's no great insight and pretty uncontroversial around here. In fact I'd venture to say that we all believe that there are powers which are trying to manipulate everyone to their advantage.

You really are sort of naive. The devil is in the datails. Who is doing the manipulating? Who are they targeting? What is their purpose? Might they also target the internet?

Why shouldn't RI be a place where ideas are debated? Can't we do that here? Doesn't that involve going beyond, "Oh I couldnt agree more.", and maybe asking questions where elaboration is needed and disagreeing where we disagree? Or is that too impolite?

And yeah, the ol "well the GOP wants to have imminent domain on my womb...therefore Obama is my savior" sentiment going around is working wonders

Working wonders How? Yes, abortion is one of those wedge issues that will drive a portion of the left to support the democrats because the alternative is despicable and in the process overlook all the evil perpetrated by the democrats. Yes. We get that. That also is no great insight, despite the fact that you say some version of that in practically every other post you've ever written here.

It's eminent domain 8bit. That may seem like pedantic nitpicking, but really, can't you use a dictionary every once in a while? You'd possibly be taken more seriously.

beeblebrox wrote:

I wrote: I think he believes they (the white christian, upper/middle class) are strategically the best target as they are according to him apparently the only political/cultural force capable of opposing the ptb.

No

He's not saying that?

brainpanhandler wrote:

beeblebrox wrote:

I wrote: I think he believes they (the white christian, upper/middle class) are strategically the best target as they are according to him apparently the only political/cultural force capable of opposing the ptb.

No

He's not saying that?

Apparently not.

eyeno wrote:
The strongest remaining wall and barrier against complete subjugation resides within the middle and upper middle class because it still has some assets to fight back with. It also stubbornly clings to its religion and institutions. It is mostly but not completely comprised of white Republican Christians ... When they fall the game is finished because there will be nobody with any assets left to put up a fight.

Right wing christians are simply a good place for ptb to expend the resources considering that they make up such a huge portion of the demographic known as the middle and upper middle class. beeblebrox has explained the context correctly so anything else I might add would only be redundant.

eyeno wrote:

brainpanhandler wrote:

beeblebrox wrote:

I wrote: I think he believes they (the white christian, upper/middle class) are strategically the best target as they are according to him apparently the only political/cultural force capable of opposing the ptb.

No

He's not saying that?

Apparently not.

Yes, you are. Apparently you don't even know what you're saying.

eyeno wrote:
The strongest remaining wall and barrier against complete subjugation resides within the middle and upper middle class because it still has some assets to fight back with. It also stubbornly clings to its religion and institutions. It is mostly but not completely comprised of white Republican Christians ... When they fall the game is finished because there will be nobody with any assets left to put up a fight.

eyeno wrote:Right wing christians are simply a good place for ptb to expend the resources considering that they make up such a huge portion of the demographic known as the middle and upper middle class.

As in, "they (the white christian, upper/middle class) are strategically the best target as they are according to him apparently the only political/cultural force capable of opposing the ptb."

eyeno wrote:When they fall the game is finished because there will be nobody with any assets left to put up a fight.

"they" being the white christian upper/middle classes, as in, "they are according to him apparently the only political/cultural force capable of opposing the ptb".

My summation fits what you are saying perfectly.

Now that we have that cleared up, I call bullshitty on so many grounds I hardly know where to start.

Eyeno has it backwards, which isn't anything new.

He/she wrote:

White Republican Christians are ultimately the target at this advanced stage in the game which is why they are labeled "right wing reactionary bigots" if they decry the fact that their country is being destroyed, their factories stolen and shipped overseas, along with their way of life, etc...

No. If you decry these things you are called a LIBERAL. If you protest them, you are called a DIRTY HIPPIE who is probably taking drugs and having sex in tents, and throwing your garbage into public parks.

If you do not cheer every single thing the corporatocracy is doing, you are labelled a LIBERAL.