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What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:37 pm
by Grizzly
Cop Kicks Pregnant Woman In Stomach, Dept. Says He Was Within Policy
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/dekalb-o ... kin/nNzDS/

By Jodie Fleischer

DECATUR, Ga. —

Channel 2 Action News has learned a DeKalb County police officer is under criminal investigation for allegedly kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach, then charging her with obstruction of a police officer.

Records show the department never investigated the incident and five supervising officers signed off on the officer's actions.

"I was upset because I couldn't believe an officer would kick me, with my child in my stomach," Raven Dozier told investigative reporter Jodie Fleischer.

Dozier was nearly nine months pregnant and helping to calm down her brother who was arguing with police. They used a Taser on him, and she cried out.

That's when Officer Jerad Wheeler used what he described in his report as "a front push-kick to the abdomen, as he was taught to do at the academy."

"What kind of a human being kicks a pregnant woman? I mean, forget whether or not it is a police officer that is supposedly protecting people," Dozier's attorney Mark Bullman said.

Dozier filed a complaint with the DeKalb police department's internal affairs unit, but it was never investigated. Instead, four supervisors and an internal affairs detective signed off that Wheeler's use of force met policy.

"He was not, he had no reason to do that, and for a higher authority to say that he is OK, his boss is wrong too," Dozier said.

Fleischer filed an open records request and found two more use-of-force complaints against Wheeler within the last nine months. In all three cases, the victims were not the focus of the original police incident.

In September 2011, a 53-year-old woman said Wheeler twisted her arm behind her back and pushed her face down in the patrol car. The woman's daughter had just been in a car accident and she had gone to the scene to help with her young grandchildren.

In January 2012, a family complained after Wheeler shot their dog while he was on a chain inside their garage. Wheeler had responded to the wrong address.



In both cases, the department justified Wheeler's actions and exonerated him.

"It's showing that there is an ongoing pattern and practice of attempting to clear officers of clearly illegal, unconstitutional, and improper conduct," Bullman said.

Wheeler charged Dozier with obstruction of an officer.

In his report, he said she was coming toward him in an aggressive manner that it was very dark, she was wearing a large shirt, and he couldn't tell she was pregnant.

But workers at the DeKalb County Jail recognized it immediately, and refused accept Dozier. She had an emergency C-section two weeks later, and now baby Levi is doing well.

"I believe that something should be done. Men go to jail every day for hitting women and it's not OK just because he is a police officer," said Dozier.

"My hope is that with this and other cases, things will change at the DeKalb Police Department, that it is no longer possible for officers to commit felonies against citizens that have committed no crime whatsoever," Bullman said.

A DeKalb police representative did not want to comment on how the department handled this case.


What is it with the ramped up police brutality, they have been militarized and more and more seeing civilians as "the enemy".
The blatant violence has been nothing short of methodical it seems to me. I could list many many incidents of late but I wont. They have taken off the gloves and it seems systemic.

It's making me crazy that no one else seems to see it... Is it just me?

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:25 pm
by Simulist
Of course it's not just you; I see it too. Many others here, also.

As far as what's happening: "power tends to corrupt," and the more power the authorities take over us, the more corrupt they become.

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:29 pm
by 2012 Countdown
You will report for psychological evaluation about your rage, good citizen. Wait till the mobile pill boxes show up on the highways, or the internment/reeducation camps.

Leaked U.S. Army Document Outlines Plan For Re-Education Camps In America
The document, entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations (PDF) was originally released on a restricted basis to the DoD in February 2010, but has now been leaked online.

PDF FILE-
http://info.publicintelligence.net/USAr ... lement.pdf

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:06 pm
by wintler2
What the fuck is the point of daily horror stories and ritual venting?

To promote or coordinate going-concern efforts to rein in abuses of power? Except that doesn't happen, theres just the horror story followed by hating and scapegoating, as if those evil police/soldiers/politicians bear all responsibility for everything bad, and we poor kittens can only mew pathetically about our lot. Orwells 2 minute hate is alive and well and conditioning slaves daily.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:12 pm
by Simulist
wintler2 wrote:What the fuck is the point of daily horror stories and ritual venting?

To promote or coordinate going-concern efforts to rein in abuses of power? Except that doesn't happen, theres just the horror story followed by hating and scapegoating, as if those evil police/soldiers/politicians bear all responsibility for everything bad, and we poor kittens can only mew pathetically about our lot. Orwells 2 minute hate is alive and well and conditioning slaves daily.

Wintler, my first response to your post was a visceral one. Then I thought about what you wrote.

And... you may be right. Certainly this is something we should be thinking hard about, since we are manipulated in SO many ways; this is probably one of them.

So thank you for that.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:19 pm
by beeblebrox
wintler2 wrote:What the fuck is the point of daily horror stories and ritual venting?

To promote or coordinate going-concern efforts to rein in abuses of power? Except that doesn't happen, theres just the horror story followed by hating and scapegoating, as if those evil police/soldiers/politicians bear all responsibility for everything bad, and we poor kittens can only mew pathetically about our lot. Orwells 2 minute hate is alive and well and conditioning slaves daily.


WOW (words of wisdom-)

I guess it's true what they say, people really are more laid back in Oz.

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:09 pm
by wintler2
The horror-story>>vent process well established in Oz too, is the bread & butter of shock jocks and tabloid press the world over, i read the same in Hindu-nationalist newspapers when in India 15 years ago, Goebells did it, Kony-2012 did it.. anybody see a pattern? More than a pattern its a learnt habit that takes some breaking, I think unplugging from bad data sources over 10 years ago has made it obvious to me. (Is it) IanEye's brilliant sig. "beware of them who would tell you who your enemy is".

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:41 pm
by Grizzly
Two minutes hate..

Yeah, I'm guilty as charged. I see it now; truth is, you really are right.

I was indeed Venting... does that make me lessor? Further, I was asking for some clarification, some commiseration, is that wrong? To not feel so alone, and to know that somebody outside of myself see's and feels what is happening. Validation? Isn't that human? Sorry if I'm being vulnerable, this stuff really does effect me on a deep level. And makes me feel like I'm going mad. To know your not alone isn't that the reason for discussion boards? When everyone around you is going mad you must keep your head.. :shrug:

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:48 pm
by Searcher08
wintler2 wrote:The horror-story>>vent process well established in Oz too, is the bread & butter of shock jocks and tabloid press the world over, i read the same in Hindu-nationalist newspapers when in India 15 years ago, Goebells did it, Kony-2012 did it.. anybody see a pattern? More than a pattern its a learnt habit that takes some breaking, I think unplugging from bad data sources over 10 years ago has made it obvious to me. (Is it) IanEye's brilliant sig. "beware of them who would tell you who your enemy is".


Perfect.

The guy who runs the Daily Mail basically wants stories that make people
outraged, laugh, go Ooooooh! or Ahhhhh!
Ingesting this material I think is really harmful in the long term, but it's also really tricky, as you wintler2, say it is a learned habit. And if anything, as people get used to responding in those way, the inputs have to be more and more shocking / intense/ inspirational to achieve the same levels of emotion. The online newspaper has become a machine for training the person reading it into having more and more limited, and more and more intense responses.

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:06 am
by beeblebrox
Grizzly wrote:Two minutes hate..

Yeah, I'm guilty as charged. I see it now; truth is, you really are right.

I was indeed Venting... does that make me lessor? Further, I was asking for some clarification, some commiseration, is that wrong? To not feel so alone, and to know that somebody outside of myself see's and feels what is happening. Validation? Isn't that human? Sorry if I'm being vulnerable, this stuff really does effect me on a deep level. And makes me feel like I'm going mad. To know your not alone isn't that the reason for discussion boards? When everyone around you is going mad you must keep your head.. :shrug:


[Best Australian accent] No worries mate, come on into the pub and I'll buy ya a VB. :) [/Best Australian accent]

Uh......sorry, I admit, I am a poor substitute for wintler2, just trying to cheer you up a bit.

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:45 am
by Nordic
He shot a dog?

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 2:04 am
by Joe Hillshoist
VB stands for vomit bomb zaphod.

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 3:43 am
by wintler2
Grizzly wrote:Two minutes hate..

Yeah, I'm guilty as charged. I see it now; truth is, you really are right.

I was indeed Venting... does that make me lessor? Further, I was asking for some clarification, some commiseration, is that wrong? To not feel so alone, and to know that somebody outside of myself see's and feels what is happening. Validation? Isn't that human? Sorry if I'm being vulnerable, this stuff really does effect me on a deep level. And makes me feel like I'm going mad. To know your not alone isn't that the reason for discussion boards? When everyone around you is going mad you must keep your head.. :shrug:


Theres no 'lessor' Grizzly, and if you didn't notice i was venting in my own way too; kudo's to you for owning it. As Sim said, you're not alone in seeing and being revolted by the brutality, the reaction is entirely human and creditable. But we can't stick at merely reacting day after day, we've got to grow the good, and imho not constantly horrifying ourselves is part of that. I wish i could safely sit you down with the cop in the OP, your honest vulerability is the key to that cops frozen heart.

Joe Hillshoist wrote:VB stands for vomit bomb zaphod.

Its true, 2nd worst beer made in this country (after fosters), thank god for boutique breweries.

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:13 am
by Stephen Morgan
Nordic wrote:He shot a dog?


Police beat people up all the time, always have done. Nothing about this is even the slightest bit newsworthy, other than the dog. Other than the dog, it's dog bites man. Even beating up pregnant women, not that they ought to get special protection, is long established.

Re: What the fuck is wrong w/these people?

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:15 am
by beeblebrox
I apologize for the bad Australian accent bit earlier, I've been watching too many movies.