Locked Atzmon Thread - Continued...

[semper occultus]

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....the whole shoddy & shambolic dénouement attained such surreal levels of paranoid & uncalled-for offensiveness that I seriously began to think trolls had taken over the board & were hi-jacking people's accounts...

...an absolute drone-strike of a thread with casualty figures still to be finalised...

[seemslikeadream]

man I is so fuckin tired/sore.... a whole weekend of fuckin myself with a fuckin borrowed shillelagh from some low life fuckin Fenian I am marginally acquainted with

now on to the fuckin emergency ward i shoved it up my fuckin ass way to far i have to get it fuckin surgically removed...can't trust a fuckin drunken paddy with a stick

but hey thanks cw2 for the fuckin idea....more pleasure than i've fuckin had in a long long fuckin time

but do come back you are missed by so many here don't let one fuckin bastard Irishman run you off...i am, in reality only harmful to fuckin myself




on edit

did i mention i fucked myself all weekend?

[Searcher08]

...little Miss Erin-Go-Fuck-Yourself

Honestly, was there anyone who really considered that to be a racist remark?

Absolutely YES.
It was personalised, thought-out racist and abusive.

In fact, given the context, anyone who did NOT consider it a racist remark is either trolling, has cerebral glaucoma or is just an old fashioned hypocrite. Or a combination of all three.

For this board to move on, c2w should publicly say sorry to slad. I don't want her banned, and also dont want it ignored and festering....

And then perhaps we can all move on.

I would suggest to the Mods that repeat posting of the same material on a thread should be replaced by a link to the original post. Posting the same post multiple times should be banned and posting the same endless material once the number of 'quote' goes beyond a certain point replaced by a URL reference.

Making a reader have to PgDn 41 times in a a single post? I dont think that add to RI, does it?

[barracuda]

Can you please explain to me in just what way it was racist? Anybody?

[Searcher08]

Nah, I'd rather you explain how it is free of racism.

I am really baffled why no one other than myself has asked for c2w to apologize.
If someone has said "Shut your big lipped n***** mouth Go fuck yourself" or "Shut your big nosed k*** face Go fuck yourself" or "quit whining camel fu**** go fuck yourself", they should have been asked to retract.

This is on page 79 of the Atzmon thread

Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo


compared2what? wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
compared2what? wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
bluenoseclaret wrote:
Thanks Alice
He still waits with regard to Ireland.

Kro

me too....but some holocausts are much more important than others

Not to me. I oppose them all equally.

But you're entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose.

Cheers.


you and others here may oppose them equally but one would be hard pressed to verify that sentiment with actual RI threads on the subject ...but you are entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose....Ad nauseam
Slainte

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Here are the search results for my username, plus "genocide." So knock yourself out counting how many were in comments made by me and to what they referred; and how many were made by others and were agreed to explicitly or implicitly by me, and to what they referred. I don't have time to get to it right now, but I'm confident about what the results will be.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/sear ... mit=Search

Here are the search results for my username, plus "holocaust":

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/sear ... F&start=30

One of the first thing you may notice is that the first two-plus pages are from this thread, which represents a statistical upsurge of exponential proportions over my overall use of the word. And you also may notice that I've referred to the H-H-H-olocaust many, many more times in the last two months than I had in the entire, preceding four years.

And would you like to know what prompted me suddenly to start mentioning that I acknowledged that particular little reality, in which I'd never shown any very sustained or serious interest of any kind before, little Miss Erin-Go-Fuck-Yourself?

YOU GOT IT!

It was you.

After you started pitching your repellent little series of tantrums (starting shortly before this thread, IIRC) about how oppressed this board was by constant (largely non-existent) whining about the Holocaust (and, to be fair, the degree of popular acclaim with which it was met) I FELT OBLIGATED to make a conscious decision to start mentioning it in neutral terms as an acknowledged historical fact, purely out of respect for the memory of the numerous relatives I have who died therein.***

So I guess what I'm saying here, SLAD, is:

If you'd kept your big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth shut, there'd be two-plus fewer pages of search results for you to count. ________________

Of the remainder, I can see at a glance that a bunch of them are from a thread on which Alice and I were both arguing against expanded Holocaust education; that a significant further number occur in words not written by me; that a few don't even refer to the -- or any -- Holocaust; and that none of them constitutes whining, imposing, or otherwise insisting on the primacy of one genocide over another.

Did I already tell you to go fuck yourself?

If not: Go fuck yourself.
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***And just to start out my little private project of quietly admitting to the Holocaust with maximum consideration for others here, I actually went out of my way to make sure that my very first use of the term was contextualized by immediately following it with an argument that the word "zionazi" was a legitimate political reference to the Holocaust. Right here:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... st#p452163

But, of course, that only led to this:



slimmouse wrote:
Which particular holoclaust are you referrring to c2w ?

Would that be the only known holocaust amidst every current "reputable" historical source ? The only holocaust mentionable in current rhetoric ?

I assume so.


Because you can't put nuthin' over on that slimmouse.

Incidentally, every word of that is true. I have been deliberately mentioning the Holocaust in measured terms, purely in response to you.

Or, more accurately, purely out of a combination of the private respect for my dead that I naturally feel and the equally natural wish to avoid feeling more of the shame that my silence in the face of your shitting, pissing, and vomiting on their memories had made me feel. And yet, I didn't want to get in your stupid ugly face about it any more than I could avoid. Of course. Because you're entitled to your feelings, too.

Also: Go fuck yourself.
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Yes, but tell her what you REALLY mean.

I didn't imagine you to be a racist c2w; I felt you seemed disinterested about mapping Atzmon to a another culture and wondered why. Is this the same c2w who was lecturing me about bullying AD??

You can express your anger fully without being racist, if you choose.
I would appreciate it if you apologized to my friend for saying those things.

I much prefer the c2w who calls me honey, and I'd like her back please.



I am not able to quote from the thread as it is locked.

[seemslikeadream]

Éirinn" is the dative case of the Irish word for Ireland

little Miss Ireland go fuck yourself


change one word...different ethnicity doesn't sound so nice now does it?


If you'd kept your big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth shut

change one word here....anyone up for repeating this phrase with another certain ethnic group?

[brainpanhandler]

Much better. First time I ever put anyone on ignore.

[barracuda]

Nah, I'd rather you explain how it is free of racism.

I don't see anything about it that refers to race. I mean, essentially she's saying something like "go fuck yourself, you Irishman", by cleverly melding a nationalist Irish phrase, "Erin go Bragh" with "go fuck yourself", a common worldwide phrase. Where's the racist part?

I am really baffled why no one other than myself has asked for c2w to apologize.
If someone has said "Shut your big lipped n***** mouth Go fuck yourself" or "Shut your big nosed k*** face Go fuck yourself" or "quit whining camel fu**** go fuck yourself", they should have been asked to retract.

Of course they would, because your examples are indeed racist. But c2w's comment...

If you'd kept your big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth shut, there'd be two-plus fewer pages of search results for you to count

...is merely identifying slad as Irish. There's not a hint in the phrase "big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth" that refers in a derogatory maker to the Irish generally. She's referring to a specific cry-baby mouth as being big and slobbery, and identifying that mouth as belonging to an Irish person. Where's the racist part?

Éirinn" is the dative case of the Irish word for Ireland

little Miss Ireland go fuck yourself


change one word...different ethnicity doesn't sound so nice now does it?

Let's try it -

little Miss Israel go fuck yourself.

Where's the racism?

If you'd kept your big, slobbery Irish cry-baby mouth shut

change one word here....anyone up for repeating this phrase with another certain ethnic group?

Let's try it -

If you'd kept your big, slobbery Jewish cry-baby mouth shut

Where's the racism? Is it racist to refer to a Jew as Jewish? No, it isn't. Is it racist to call a Jew a cry-baby? No, it isn't.

[Nordic]

I didn't follow the thread. I stayed out of it from the get-go, because the OP and the first couple of responses made my eyes glaze over, for whatever reasons. I don't even remember.

But it's really too bad that it's come to this. Really too bad.

Even avoiding that thread, the overall tone around here seems to have gone decidedly downhill into the negative. Not a lot of love here right now.

[Simulist]

I came to really adore Compared2what. It wasn't hard.

She has a world-class intellect and a generous spirit.

[Nordic]

I came to really adore Compared2what. It wasn't hard.

She has a world-class intellect and a generous spirit.

I couldn't see that through all the verbiage and the self-indulgent stream-of-consciousness long-winded writing she expected everyone to endure.

[Simulist]

Okay. Here's the thing for me: for their own reasons neither C2w nor Alice is here right now to respond. Not only do I find this regrettable, I think criticizing either one of these people who is unavailable to respond is counterproductive, not only for my hopes to see them again, but also for our community in general.

[Searcher08]

I came to really adore Compared2what. It wasn't hard.

She has a world-class intellect and a generous spirit.

Cuda, seriously, practise your Sleight-of-Mouth patterns on someone else...

Sim, I was surprised you didn't say anything about what she said to slad.
This is like Bizarro World, with people singing her praises but ignoring what she said like its 'nothing to see here move along' or 'watch me make what she said non-racist' or 'hey, she lost her patience'.

I happen to agree with your assessment btw.

[seemslikeadream]

Okay. Here's the thing for me: for their own reasons neither C2w nor Alice is here right now to respond. Not only do I find this regrettable, I think criticizing either one of these people who is unavailable to respond is counterproductive, not only for my hopes to see them again, but also for our community in general.

you're here so let's clear the air
were you or were you not pointing a thinly veiled finger at me being anti-semitic?

[JackRiddler]

This is on page 79 of the Atzmon thread

Lonely in the middle of your post, this is the obvious answer to your question. Page 79 of a group of you denying or rigidly ignoring the racist and even nazi elements in the statements by Atzmon quoted already on Page 1. Page 79 of a group of you coming up with every piece of sophistry to pretend these statements had an excuse or a context or was justified by his chosen enemies (like, if he gets Dershowitz mad it's good no matter what he says). Page 79 of a smaller group (including eyeno with his Passion of the Christ jew-hatred) going beyond that to promote even more explicitly racist statements (and nazi, like the quoted matter from Madsen). After bending into pretzel shapes to give an obscure exculpatory context to Atzmon's outrageous statements, now you would deny to c2w? the immediate context of the 79 preceding pages in which her patience and tact and careful explications and research presentations were misrepresented, ignored, browbeaten and smacked with bullshit before she finally said: Fuck it!

Now hear this:

THIS IS NOT THE CONTINUATION OF THE ATZMON THREAD, and those of you who have brought that bullshit in here should stop.

This is an appreciation thread for c2w?, dating back from a long time ago, which I revived because she left the board again. You want to defame her, go start one of your own.