Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

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Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby elfismiles » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:15 pm


Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demonstration goes awry

A hypnosis demonstration left several students "spaced out" (AP)

A group of young students at an all girls school were left in "mass hypnosis" after a demonstration from a fledging hypnotist reportedly left them locked in a trance.

Maxime Nadeau was forced to call on his mentor for assistance after the hypnotist could not reverse the condition of several 12 and 13-year-old girls at the Collège du Sacré-Coeur private school in Quebec. One of the girls was reportedly left in a trance for five hours.

"Being in a trance is a state of well-being," Nadeau told the CBC's French-language service. "I wasn't stressed. I knew they would get out of it."

Still, Nadeau eventually called in his mentor and trainer Richard Whitbread to reverse the effects.

"There were a couple of students who had their heads lying on the table and there were [others] who, you could tell, were in trance," Whitbread said. "The eyes were open and there was nobody home."

In order to reverse the effect, Whitbread says he convinced the girls he was "re-hypnotizing" them and them brought them out of the trance "using a stern voice."

"I don't know how to explain it. It's like you're no longer there," student Émilie Bertrand told the CBC about her experience. "You're spaced out."

Nonetheless, Bertrand described the experience as "cool" as said she would do it again, even knowing the potential consequences.

Interestingly, Whitbread said the girls may have been especially vulnerable to Nadeau's suggestions because of his young age and "good looks."

In related news, television host Dr. Oz recently interviewed "hypnotic motivational guru" Paul McKenna, who says he can help patients achieve long term weight loss through his techniques.


Collège du Sacré-Coeur, where the "mass hypnosis" took place (Radio-Canada)


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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:33 pm

Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demonstration goes awry

In other news, an entire population was left in 'mass hypnosis' after programs were successful.

And, more to the point, this news story alone should dispel the ridiculous idea that hypnosis is always and only benign.
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:34 pm

That whole bizarre story reads like some kind of trigger itself.
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:36 pm

Interestingly, Whitbread said the girls may have been especially vulnerable to Nadeau's suggestions because of his young age and "good looks."

For that sexist remark alone, Whitbread should be kicked in the teeth.
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Postby The Consul » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:45 pm

When the show Petticoat Junction first aired the country almost fell apart. We are all operating according to different programs, even the boys up in the Idaho panhandle with no direct TV. They know The Lemming Event is nigh, and realize their stockpiles might be actionable from remote sources with invisible agendas.
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:52 pm

Am I imagining this or isn't it against FCC regulations to do a full induction script on TV?

I mean, I must be imagining it because that would constitute something resembling "protection against predators" and that's....well, unAmerican.
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:38 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Am I imagining this or isn't it against FCC regulations to do a full induction script on TV?

I mean, I must be imagining it because that would constitute something resembling "protection against predators" and that's....well, unAmerican.


From what I understand, it's not illegal, but it's still never done. Advertisers and tv executives are fearful, misinformed, and shortsighted people.
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Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:49 pm

I'm not entirely convinced that, in aggregate, television itself doesn't amount to a full-induction script.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:55 pm

Simulist wrote:I'm not entirely convinced that, in aggregate, television itself doesn't amount to a full-induction script.


It does.

Experiments conducted by researcher Herbert Krugman reveal that, when a person watches television, brain activity switches from the left to the right hemisphere. The left hemisphere is the seat of logical thought. Here, information is broken down into its component parts and critically analyzed. The right brain, however, treats incoming data uncritically, processing information in wholes, leading to emotional, rather than logical, responses. The shift from left to right brain activity also causes the release of endorphins, the body’s own natural opiates--thus, it is possible to become physically addicted to watching television, a hypothesis borne out by numerous studies which have shown that very few people are able to kick the television habit.

This numbing of the brain’s cognitive function is compounded by another shift which occurs in the brain when we watch television. Activity in the higher brain regions (such as the neo-cortex) is diminished, while activity in the lower brain regions (such as the limbic system) increases. The latter, commonly referred to as the reptile brain, is associated with more primitive mental functions, such as the “fight or flight” response. The reptile brain is unable to distinguish between reality and the simulated reality of television. To the reptile brain, if it looks real, it is real. Thus, though we know on a conscious level it is “only a film,” on a conscious level we do not--the heart beats faster, for instance, while we watch a suspenseful scene. Similarly, we know the commercial is trying to manipulate us, but on an unconscious level the commercial nonetheless succeeds in, say, making us feel inadequate until we buy whatever thing is being advertised--and the effect is all the more powerful because it is unconscious, operating on the deepest level of human response. The reptile brain makes it possible for us to survive as biological beings, but it also leaves us vulnerable to the manipulations of television programmers.


I'm wary of lizard brain reification, especially since that's a big part of notorious marketing bullshit artist Clotaire Rapaille's schtick. Still, the Krugman evidence is fucking stunning and totally ignored.
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Simulist » Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:10 pm

Oh wow, Wombat. Thanks for making some rigorous sense out of my little intuitive retort.

Perhaps interestingly (perhaps not), I've been noticing a change in myself since my television viewing has picked up. For a significant time, I hadn't watched any television, except for one show (hey, I'm hooked on Walter Bishop). But for several months now, I've been watching quite a bit of television, and I find myself feeling MUCH more sympathetic to and connected with a culture that, cognitively, I sincerely understand to be death.

So I do think increased television viewing has a measurable effect, for better or for worse.
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Project Willow » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:50 am

Yes, I'd read the bit Wombat posted before and there are others that speak to how we're placed into an alpha wave state, open and pacified, emotional and non-critical.

Advertisers are not so oblivious that they are unaware of the flash effects recently referenced in another current thread, and so we get the rhythmic splicing of white screens. If you've ever looked on a city scene at night, you can glimpse the flashing through darkened windows. I've watched television throughout my life span and the flashing was not predominant in earlier years.

I'd like to know, and I realize how cliche it is considered, but does anyone feel like they hear any subliminal messages, especially in political ads or during the speeches of high public officials?
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby justdrew » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:20 am

this may be relevant ...

Freud's theory of unconscious conflict linked to anxiety symptoms in new brain research
June 17, 2012 in Psychology & Psychiatry

An experiment that Sigmund Freud could never have imagined 100 years ago may help lend scientific support for one of his key theories, and help connect it with current neuroscience.

Today at the 101st Annual Meeting of the American Psychoanalytic Association, a University of Michigan professor who has spent decades applying scientific methods to the study of psychoanalysis will present new data supporting a causal link between the psychoanalytic concept known as unconscious conflict, and the conscious symptoms experienced by people with anxiety disorders such as phobias.

Howard Shevrin, Ph.D., emeritus professor of psychology in the U-M Medical School's Department of Psychiatry, will present data from experiments performed in U-M's Ormond and Hazel Hunt Laboratory.

The research involved 11 people with anxiety disorders who each received a series of psychoanalytically oriented diagnostic sessions conducted by a psychoanalyst.

From these interviews the psychoanalysts inferred what underlying unconscious conflict might be causing the person's anxiety disorder. Words capturing the nature of the unconscious conflict were then selected from the interviews and used as stimuli in the laboratory. They also selected words related to each patient's experience of anxiety disorder symptoms. Although these words differed from patient to patient, results showed that they functioned in the same way.

These verbal stimuli were presented subliminally at one thousandth of a second [very fast], and supraliminally (of or relating to any stimulus that is above the threshold of sensory awareness) at 30 milliseconds [ fyi, this is aprox the length of 1 frame of video, and visually at least, would still be subliminal ]. A control category of stimuli was added that had no relationship to the unconscious conflict or anxiety symptom. While the stimuli were presented to the patients, scalp electrodes record the brain responses to them.

In a previous experiment Shevrin had demonstrated that time-frequency features, a type of brain activity, showed that patients grouped the unconscious conflict stimuli together only when they were presented subliminally. But the conscious symptom-related stimuli showed the reverse pattern – brain activity was better grouped together when patients viewed those words supraliminally.

"Only when the unconscious conflict words were presented unconsciously could the brain see them as connected," Shevrin notes. "What the analysts put together from the interview session made sense to the brain only unconsciously."

However, the experimental design in this first experiment did not allow for directly comparing the effect of the unconscious conflict stimuli on the conscious symptom stimuli.

To obtain evidence for that next level, the unconscious conflict stimuli were presented immediately prior to the conscious symptom stimuli and a new measurement was made, of the brain's own alpha wave frequency, at 8-13 cycles per second, that had been shown to inhibit various cognitive functions.

Highly significant correlations, suggesting an inhibitory effect, were obtained when the amount of alpha generated by the unconscious conflict stimuli were correlated with the amount of alpha associated with the conscious symptom alpha -- but only when the unconscious conflict stimuli were presented subliminally. No results were obtained when control stimuli replaced the symptom words. The fact that these findings are a function of inhibition suggests that from a psychoanalytic standpoint that repression might be involved.

"These results create a compelling case that unconscious conflicts cause or contribute to the anxiety symptoms the patient is experiencing," says Shevrin, who also holds an emeritus position in the Department of Psychology in U-M's College of Literature, Science and the Arts. "These findings and the interdisciplinary methods used – which draw on psychoanalysis, cognitive psychology, and neuroscience -- demonstrate that it is possible to develop an interdisciplinary science drawing upon psychoanalytic theory."

He notes that a prominent critic of psychoanalysis and Freudian theory, Adolf Grunbaum, Ph.D., professor of the philosophy of science at the University of Pittsburgh, has expressed satisfaction that the new results, when added to previous evidence, show that fundamental psychoanalytic concepts can indeed be tested in empirical ways.

For more than 40 years, Shevrin has led a team that has pushed at the boundaries between the disciplines of neuroscience, cognitive psychology, and psychoanalysis, looking for evidence that Freudian concepts such as the unconscious and repression could be documented through physical measures of brain activity. His work has explored the territory where neurobiology, thoughts, emotions and behavior meet.

In 1968 he published the first report of brain responses to unconscious visual stimuli in Science, thus providing strong objective evidence for the existence of the unconscious at a time when most scientists were skeptical of Freud's ideas. In that same study, he showed that unconscious perceptions are processed in different ways from conscious perceptions, a finding consistent with Freud's views on how the unconscious works.


In recent years, exchanges between Grunbaum and Shevrin explored the nature of the evidence for the existence and impact of unconscious conflicts. In a 1992 publication, the first study referred to, Grunbaum agreed that Shevrin had obtained objective brain based evidence for the existence of unconscious conflict, but Grunbaum noted that he had not shown that these conflicts caused psychiatric symptoms. His response to being informed of the new findings was an email stating: "I am satisfied".
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:43 am

Just noticed I didn't give a link back to the excellent Mack White article I was quoting from:

TV and the Hive Mind http://www.mackwhite.com/tv.html
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby NeonLX » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:53 am

A decade or two ago, I found myself becoming angry while watching teevee. It would happen whether I was watching a comedy, a crime show, or whatev...I always felt like I was being messed with. To this day, I can only watch a few minutes of the teevee before I become very uncomfortable. I hate it when there's a teevee in a waiting room or somewhere public like that, and I'm forced to be subjected to it. The worst for me is network news. I really can't stomach it.
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Re: Students left in ‘mass hypnosis’ after demo goes awry

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:00 am

NeonLX wrote:A decade or two ago, I found myself becoming angry while watching teevee. It would happen whether I was watching a comedy, a crime show, or whatev...I always felt like I was being messed with. To this day, I can only watch a few minutes of the teevee before I become very uncomfortable. I hate it when there's a teevee in a waiting room or somewhere public like that, and I'm forced to be subjected to it. The worst for me is network news. I really can't stomach it.


Stunning, that sounds like evidence of a fully functional human immune system in the wild!

Would you be willing to submit to some testing in the interests of science?
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