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Postby conniption » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:34 pm

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Postby semper occultus » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:48 pm

....no I don't know of a link off the top of my head....I'd have to dig into it.... but given Savile's seemigly irresistible predilection for associating with notorious denizens of the underworld & or penal system then I'd be not at all surprised to find some connection.......Fred West ofcourse had extensive connections to the Scottish underworld in the 60's....
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Postby Plutonia » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:40 pm

Thanks Semper.

I'm also interested in the prison reformers, like Lord Longford, and whatever was going on with the Gateway Exchange - a drop-in centre for recovering addicts? - as well as the possibility that Savile's being put in charge of Broadmoor had something to do with Ronnie Kray, (d 1995) who was housed there:

In August 1988, he was appointed by junior health minister Edwina Currie[49] chair of an interim task force overseeing the management of Broadmoor Hospital, after its board members had been suspended.[50][51] Savile had his own room at both Stoke Mandeville and Broadmoor.[52] In 1989, Savile started legal proceedings against News Group Newspapers after the News of the World published an article, in January 1988, suggesting he had been in a position to secure the release of patients from Broadmoor who were considered "dangerous". Savile won on 11 July 1989; News Group paid his legal costs, and he received an apology from editors
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semper occultus » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:48 pm wrote:....no I don't know of a link off the top of my head....I'd have to dig into it.... but given Savile's seemigly irresistible predilection for associating with notorious denizens of the underworld & or penal system then I'd be not at all surprised to find some connection.......Fred West ofcourse had extensive connections to the Scottish underworld in the 60's....
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby cptmarginal » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:41 pm

semper occultus » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:42 pm wrote:...hey Plutonia...Savile – like Fred West – was “in” with the local Police & bizarrely the Yorkshire Ripper case isn't even the only sex-killings he has been “linked” to….the Bible John Murders

Bible John is the nickname of a serial killer who is believed to have murdered three young women after meeting them at the Barrowland Ballroom in Glasgow, Scotland, between 1968 and 1969. As of 2014, the killer has never been identified although the known movements and modus operandi of convicted Glaswegian serial killer Peter Tobin suggests that he may have been behind the killings. However this has never been proven and the case remains unsolved.


…whilst it seems inconceivable he was the (sole) perp given his public profile but the photo-fit !

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I'm reeling this afternoon.

I can place Savile in clubs and Dance halls in Glasgow in the 60's and 70's.

" What memories! I will never forget the days when I was asked to be the "lunchtime DJ" & was asked to play records on 2 turntables so that there would be no pauses between the songs played. I was "nicknamed" Little Jeff because I had to stand on crates to reach the "mike" !!! This was the start of my career in the Music Business. When Jimmy Saville became the manager he paid me a great compliment by telling me that he was "pinching my act" and transferred me to the Wakefield Mecca after using me in Glasgow & Bradford. What GREAT times we had in those days!!!

The quote comes from here. There is more to be found here.

Leeds Mecca memories.

http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?r...5&DISPLAY=FULL

Just like Sutcliffe in Leeds and Bradford, Peter Tobin frequented Saviles Nightclubs in Glasgow. Tobin met his wife in a Glasgow Nightclub in 1968.

Bible Johns first victim was murdered after attending an Over 25's night at the Majestic Ballroom in Glasgow, not Barrowlands Ballroom ( although it could be the same club with a new name ). There was a Majestic Ballroom in Leeds. Could both have been owned by Savile ?

Glasgow Herald Archive. There is more to be found here.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en


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I've just been rewatching the Louis Theroux film for the umpteenth time and have realised that the link was staring us in the face.

At 34.42 mins Louis confronts Savile about the zero tolerance that had been mentioned when Savile didn't know that he was being filmed.

Louis actually says "There was that bit when you were talking about running the nightclub in Glasgow".

Not Leeds. Glasgow !!


Yeah I keep meaning to update that Scottish thing….Savile is part of it….


Ever see this Grant Morrison comic? I have a copy of it but still have yet to read it, years later, because it's frankly disturbing to me.

Morrison & Vallely: BIBLE JOHN: A Forensic Meditation

Say, just how many comics has Morrison written for with the word "Crisis" in the title anyway?

From 1991, a work that will most likely never be reprinted, Grant Morrison and Daniel Vallely's BIBLE JOHN. This was Morrison in his seriously-on-psychedelics phase(and that will actually become very relevant in a later part), not long after ARKHAM ASYLUM, so you'll see some shared elements with that. Apparently it's said that the artist had some kind of freakout issue with this, and so destroyed the artwork and quit comics. (previously he'd done the first issue of Mark Millar's SAVIOUR, another lost and unfinished gem)

I suppose it makes some sense. This comic has something...about it. And one gets the feeling that Morrison was trying to do a magic ritual through it. One also senses this was Morrison trying to do his version of what Moore was in FROM HELL: using a murder as a dissection of a city, in this case Glasgow. But his approach is quite different: as a documentary, with few if any "characters." Which has to do with a murderer characterized mainly by his absence.

The Bible John case itself is one of Glasgow's most famous unsolved murder cases. Whomever he was he killed three women, connected only by the fact that they were all having their period when they were killed. Right now they have a suspect(who is already locked up for murders) they think might have done it but haven't proven it yet. It's possible he might have killed as many as 48 women over the years, if it is him.

So now that I've scanned my CRISIS collection, you get to see it, or at least a portion. Here are excerpts from part 1 and 2. VERY hard to choose the pages here. I will be posting more parts. So, from Fleetway's CRISIS #56 and 57: enjoy(or whatever....)
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby semper occultus » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:49 pm

...yep....what with Morrison's Gideon Stargrave thing aswell...those canny jocks certainly used the old second sight on Jimmy......

....comedian Jerry Sadowitz...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2216358/Jimmy-Savile-allegations-Why-did-listen-Jerry-Sadowitzs-howl-rage.html

...crime author Val McDermid...

I based psycho on Jimmy Savile, says writer Val McDermid

..also that ice cream van ties back to Fred West …..who was also circulating at Glasgow clubs & dance-halls exactly like Bible John….

Growing Up In The Gorbals Was Tough .. Fred West Was Our Ice Cream Man

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

One afternoon, Fred told us: "I like the Barrowland - plenty of birds there and usually the Scottish fellas are too drunk to chat them up. That's when I make my move."

Then he gave us the kind of wink that did not amuse us. Fred said he had come to Glasgow as he had family and friends in the area.

Wee Fred, the friendly ice cream man, appeared in the newspapers a few weeks later.

He had run over a boy with his van in Castlemilk, with fatal consequences, claiming it had been an accident.


….Fred was a joker / trickster figure like Jimmy who loved the hoodwink…….this also seems reminiscent of the graffiti found at the Jack the Ripper murder sites & letters sent to the police that were ascribed to yellow-press journalists trying to hype up the air of mystery & intrigue….

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….Coleman’s produced another doozy….


The disturbing case of Adrian Fulford, PIE, Pervert Royals, 7/7, Mole Films, cash-for access, B.A.E, Rolls Royce, Derek Laud, Patrick Rock and the VIP child-abuse connection

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…as indeed did John Ward last year on the Elm Guest House den of iniquity :

REVEALED IN FULL: Connections from the Rocks Lane of yesteryear to the Coalition Cabinet today

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/revealed-in-full-connections-from-the-rocks-lane-of-yesteryear-to-the-coalition-cabinet-today/

As one so often finds in this grubby underworld, Righton was a leading child protection specialist….another penetrator of a wide-open care system. When police raided his house in 1992 they found not only hard-core child abuse images from Amsterdam, but an enormous body of correspondence proving beyond any doubt that he and Napier had organised a network of paedophiles right across the Globe.

But hold three thoughts there: Righton was raided in 1992 (after which the Elm House devotees scurried back under their stones), there was an obvious Amsterdam link, and there was clearly a help-each-other Odessa-style protection and child-marketing system. (Further, in 1981, Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens gave the Home Secretary Leon Brittan a dossier about Elm House. It disappeared, and Brittan’s alleged attendance at the guest house abruptly ceased.)

Plod then raided Napier’s flat in London, and found correspondence in which he boasted of prolific child abuse while working for the British Council. While doing so, he collected hard-core child porn and sent it back to the UK for distribution….via the diplomatic bag.

The Slog has posted several times about the British Council, and also about the Diplomatic Bag scam. This cypher route was used on several occasions by a senior British euro-politician for the same purpose. If the solids do ever start to hit the fan about all this, the Government’s defence will be as follows: this was all a long time ago, and oh alright then one or two of them were senior Tories, but there are no links to anyone currently holding power today.

Because of libel fears, I think there is every chance they might pull that one off. I also believe firmly now that at least two media proprietors and the security services will be aiding and abetting in the process…for reasons that will become clear below. The problem is, there is only a slim chance that this represents the truth.

There exists a list of Elm House regulars, apparently written by Chrisopher Fay, advisor to NAYPIC and John Oakes, journalist in relation to abuse of boys in care at Elm Guest House, Barnes, and elsewhere. It was photographed and put onto the internet by Mary Moss of NAYPIC.

The original documents were taken under warrant by police working on Operation Fernbridge on 9 th January 2012. Originally, it seems they were extrapolated from a collation of receipts, records and observations made by those involved in the running of Elm House at 27 Rocks Lane Barnes, and some victims of abuse there. So the only raid conducted by Plod in the last few months has been of a victim support group to take the list off them. Why? Once again here, we have all the hallmarks of a cover-up – to follow those seemingly conducted by three separate Home Secretaries and two Welsh Secretaries over the last thirty or more years. To my knowledge, nobody has yet analysed just how explosive this Elm House visitor list is, or indeed if it’s genuine. I have tried (and failed) to find out if Plod thinks the list is genuine – I do find it odd that criminal sex perverts would leave such obvious evidence at the crime-scene – and I have tried to find any evidence of those on it taking the obvious step for any innocent person – that is, going public to denounce the document as a load of old tosh.

All I can say is that, if it is genuine, then the ‘all a long time ago’ defence simply won’t wash. My sense is that the Coalition Cabinet is sh**ting bricks about this, and that the cops are under enormous pressure to drop the whole affair. It has become clear to me in the last twelve hours that Downing Street is “following developments in the case very closely indeed”. Let’s take the European site content I’ve been observing in recent days (yet again, thanks to Slogger alerts) and precis what the more reliable purveyors of the list (left) are saying.

In a nutshell, it goes like this. There are seven members of the Monday Club on it. This former rightwing Tory MPs’ group was very influential during the early Thatcher years. They are Harvey Proctor, John Rowe (an MI5 operative and enthusiastic organiser of trips to Amsterdam), Richard Miles, Peter Campbell, Peter Glencross the editor of the Monday Club’s newsletter, Stan Matthews (not the famous footballer) and Charles Irving.

Virginia Bottomley’s husband Peter is also on the list. He has over the years been active on Child Care issues and its associated charities.

Former MI5 operative, Buckingham Place Art curator and known Soviet Agent Anthony Bluntappears. So too does one R R Langley, a Buckingham Palace official, and senior royal equerry Commander Richard Trestrail.

In turn, there are two pop stars on it – Jess Conrad and Cliff Richard. Richard supposedly signed in as ‘Kitty’. BBC DJ and colleague of Jimmy Savile Chris Denning is there.

Leon Brittan is named at the top of the list. He was at the centre of the Westland Helicopters debacle in the 1980s, over which Michael Heseltine resigned. Funnily enough, Guy Blackwell-Hamilton - allegedly a son of Westland’s Chairman, although this is hotly disputed – is also on it.

Several people in the police and other professions associated with Richmond Council appear: John Stingemore, Ron Thornton, Donald Naismith, Louis Minster, Chris Carter, Roderick Smeaton, Chris Wicks, and Elizabeth Meredith.

Other notable odds and sods include Liberal MP Cyril Smith, former GLC Conservative leader George Tremlett, former National Front fuhrer Colin Jordan, and Sinn Fein’s Gary Walker.

The arrest – and subsequent bail – of John Stringemore (whose name appears on the list) has already been reported in the mainstream media, and the Exaro team have in turn reported on Louis Minster – whose name is on the list, but remembers nothing.

Now you don’t have to be Sexton Blake to see the possibilities here. Seven members of an influential Thatcherite Club isn’t a coincidence, it’s a cabal. Two people actively involved in a Cabinet scandal over arms deals is potentially toxic. The number of police regulars is a hard one to explain. And four Richmond Councillors is…well, a conspiracy we now know to be fact.

In addition, there is the British Council. A senior member was Virginia Bottomley, who handed her SW Surrey constituency to second cousin Jeremy Hunt. A diplomat with the BC was importing kiddie porn through the diplomatic bag, a practice also alleged to have been used by Leon Brittan when he was an EU Commissioner. Bottomley’s husband Peter is on the list. His wife Virginia is a promoter of private health interests, and the current Health Secretary is Jeremy Hunt, a man bankrolled by JHJ Lewis of the Groucho Club, in turn accused of running a PIE-style website. Leon Brittan gave Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg his first EU job. Prime Minister David Cameron hired Brittan as a Trade Consultant in 2010…on Clegg’s recommendation.


….Jeremy Hunt is Virginia Bottomley’s cousin…

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/revealed-at-last-the-hunt-bottomley-link/

.. & ….. er….this Jeremy Hunt

THE PAEDOFILE: Serial abuser Simon Wood worked for Jeremy Hunt’s Hotcourses Foundation

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/the-paedofile-serial-abuser-simon-wood-worked-for-jeremy-hunts-hotcourses-foundation/

British Airways pilot and industrial-scale child abuser Simon Wood used his airline access and a front as an Aid Worker in Africa to assault hundreds of black orphans. Once again – despite previous convictions – background checks on the man were dilatory, and as late as this summer he was giving talks at a British school while handing out sweets to the children.

One organisation that appears to have carried out no checks at all on Wood is the Hotcourses Foundation, an African Charity run by British Council monopoly-millionaire and Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt. Last month, the Daily Mail and other right-of-centre tabloids wrote of how Wood’s first known contact with children in Africa came “when he began visiting the Nyumbani orphanage in the Karen area of Nairobi, the Kenyan capital.” Nyumbani partners with, and is an approved insitution, for the Hotcourses Foundation, as its website proudly proclaims.


.. & ….. er….this Jeremy Hunt

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Postby Plutonia » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:41 pm

semper occultus » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:49 pm"

….Fred was a joker / trickster figure like Jimmy who loved the hoodwink…….this also seems reminiscent of the graffiti found at the Jack the Ripper murder sites & letters sent to the police that were ascribed to yellow-press journalists trying to hype up the air of mystery & intrigue….


Are you referring to the Yorkshire Ripper/Peter Sutcliffe investigation?
Despite new forensic clues, the police efforts were diverted for several months into a fruitless search for a man with a Wearside accent, which was pinned down to the Castletown area of Sunderland, following a hoax tape message taunting Superintendent George Oldfield, who was leading the search. The same hoaxer had sent two letters to the police boasting of his crimes in 1978 signed "Jack The Ripper"

On 20 October, 2005, John Humble, an unemployed alcoholic and long-time resident of the Ford Estate area of Sunderland (a mile away from Castletown), was charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice in response to the sending of the hoax letters and tape, and remanded in custody. On March 21, 2006 he was sentenced to eight years in prison for perverting the course of justice. It is expected that he will also be questioned in connection with the Harrison murder.
http://www.murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sutcliffe-peter.htm

It doesn't say there ^^^ but apparently the letter-writer plagiarized the original Jack the Ripper letters and that was how their veracity was eventually called in to question.
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Postby semper occultus » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:47 pm

.....I was thinking back to the original series as opposed to the "next generation"...

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Postby Plutonia » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:16 pm

Compare...
Savile toured with the Beatles during the height of Beatlemania, and he also compered at some of their gigs.

Speaking to The Independent, McCartney said: "The thing is we knew Jimmy and we worked with him, he was a DJ, an MC on some of the shows.

"He was the older hustler guy, and we were very amused by these stories because he was a great entertainer, but we dropped him off at his place outside his house and we said, 'can we come in for a coffee?' and he said, 'oh, no, not tonight lads'. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/360154 ... ce-Forsyth

With:
BEST-SELLING crime writer Val McDermid has told how one of her most sinister characters was based on Savile.

The ex-journalist was deeply uneasy when she met Savile in 1977 and he later inspired her character Jacko Vance.

The TV celebrity with a secret lust for torture, murder and under-age girls first featured in the 1997 bestseller The Wire in the Blood and returned in two later books.

Vance, a former athlete, hung about hospitals and toured towns in a show called Vance’s Visits – similar to the Savile’s Travels radio show.


Val, 57, said: “People often asked me where I had got the inspiration for the character.

“They never guessed it was Savile. For a start, Jacko is handsome and charming. I assume Savile didn’t recognise himself in that description.”

Val, from Fife, encountered Savile as a young reporter in 1977. She said: “He was a deeply unpleasant man. He was all smiles and laughter for the audience but as soon as we were alone, he was different.

“Savile was very much in the front of my mind when I was creating Jacko.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/360154 ... ce-Forsyth
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Postby semper occultus » Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:28 am

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Jimmy Savile: Schools and children's homes face investigation

Former DJ and presenter Jimmy Savile is said to have abused more than 200 people over a 60-year period

Claims Jimmy Savile abused children at 21 children's homes and schools in England must be investigated by local authorities, the government has said.

The allegations concern institutions in Yorkshire, London, Manchester, Kent, Surrey and Devon, among others, and relate to the 1960s, 70s and 80s, the Department for Education said.

The information was uncovered as part of a review by the Met Police.

Police have said Savile abused more than 200 people over six decades.

The former BBC DJ and presenter died in October 2011, aged 84, before the sex abuse allegations came to light.

'Predatory sex offender'

The organisations include a school for the blind in Harrogate, two schools and a children's home in Savile's birthplace of Leeds, and a Barnardo's children's home in Redbridge, north-east London.

In a written statement, Education Secretary Michael Gove said: "This information was uncovered as part of the document review process undertaken by the Metropolitan Police Service on behalf of the Department of Health.

"Having reviewed the information, I have decided that the Department for Education should pass the information to the appropriate organisations for further investigation.

"In most cases the work will be conducted by the relevant local authority; in others the relevant institution or a legacy organisation will take the lead."

In January 2013, a Metropolitan Police report said Savile had been a "prolific, predatory sex offender" who was able to "hide in plain sight" while abusing his victims.

A second report said he could have been prosecuted in 2009 if victims had been taken more seriously.

A criminal investigation, Operation Yewtree, was launched in October 2012.

The NHS is already investigating 33 hospitals' links with Savile after police passed information to the Department of Health.

Mr Gove said the new inquiries, which will be overseen by human rights lawyer Lucy Scott-Moncrieff, would follow the same arrangements.

Henshaws Society for Blind People, in Harrogate, said in a statement: "It is right that steps are taken to explore these allegations, to find out what happened and why, and we will be providing what evidence we can to the inquiry and will be putting as much effort as it takes into providing the inquiry with the information they need."

Action for Children, which ran the Penhurst School in Oxfordshire before it closed in May 2013, said it had been told of the allegations on Tuesday.

It said: "We are co-operating with the Department for Education and will conduct a full investigation into Savile's possible visits to our former school in the 1970s."

Gloucestershire County Council said it would do everything in its power to find out what had happened at Parklands Children's Home, which closed in 2002.

In his statement, the education secretary named the following institutions:

Children's home - name unknown - Bournemouth
Colletton Lodge, Devon
The Ride Children's Home, Hounslow, west London
Parklands Children's Home, Gloucestershire
Sevenoaks School, Kent
Northways Residential School, Leeds
Beechcroft Children's Home, Leeds
Henshaw School for the Blind, Harrogate
Notre Dame Grammar School, Leeds
Care home - name unknown - Islington, north London
Hollies Care Home, Southwark, south-east London
St Leonard's Children's Home, Tower Hamlets, east London
Sarah Laski Home, Manchester
Broome House Children's Home, Manchester
Children's home - name unknown - Manchester
Aspley Wood School, Nottingham
Bassetlaw School, Nottinghamshire
Penhurst School, Oxfordshire
Beach Holme Children's Home, Surrey
Broomfield Children's Home, Surrey
Barnardo's children's home - name unknown - Redbridge, north-east London
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Postby Searcher08 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:47 pm

Semper, have you been able to find anything about Savile's footprint in the US? I remember reading that he was very friendly with Poppy and Barbara Bush. I think the chances of him having nothing to do with the larger picture of American Republican pedo networks must be close to vanishing.
The more emerges from him, the more I find his long, close association with Thatcher really puzzling. She was very intelligent, detail oriented, careful and valued the nuclear family, I find it incredible that Savile did not 'trip her wires'... or maybe he did? - do you have any thoughts on it?
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:02 pm

Thatcher was marching in lockstep with Cercle Pinay; I think that explains most of it.

She knew he was better protected than she was and did not represent any threat to her career nor legacy.

She also knew he was unavoidable, hyper-connected and a powerful ally to cultivate.

Just got my first edition copy of As it Happens in the mail last night; photographs alone were worth the purchase. I will be transcribing and scanning over the weekend in the Book Forum and will cross-post everything here.

Edit: Also, this long-form Baffler piece is excellent, probably posted before but bears repeating: http://thebaffler.com/past/predator_drone

Especially for this:

After a hairy incident involving a stunt with the Royal Air Force, Savile hated to fly, so with the exception of one early trip to America to meet Elvis Presley, he never spent much time in the States, settling for Blighty ubiquity rather than the transatlantic fame of Tina Brown, Christopher Hitchens, Piers Morgan, and all the many rock acts Savile put before the British public on Top of the Pops. And though he was a national celebrity from around 1964 until his death, he was always a doggedly provincial one, never letting go of a foothold in his native Leeds, and at the same time running around the country staging talk shows like Savile’s Travels, ingratiating himself with the local authorities and grandees, and bringing out crowds to make hospital donations.After the revelations of his predations, it’s hard not to think he was casting his net wide. He often traveled in a van with a mattress in the rear.
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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:07 pm

Haven't seen anyone post this yet but I have a feeling it belongs here.

Durham police uncover paedophile ring with more than 500 potential victims
Head of major inquiry into Medomsley detention centre in County Durham shocked by scale of historical sexual abuse

Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone
The Guardian, Friday 28 March 2014 15.07 GMT

Police investigating sexual abuse at a Durham detention centre say they believe they have uncovered an organised paedophile ring operating in the 1970s and 80s with more than 500 potential victims.

The head of a 70-strong major inquiry into historical abuse at the Medomsley detention centre, near Consett, told the Guardian the inquiry was triggered by mounting evidence about isolated individuals. However, they were now investigating a complex paedophile ring, with many more victims than previously thought.

D Supt Paul Goundry, senior investigating officer, said: "We always knew this would be a major inquiry but the scale of it, and the sheer number of victims who have come forward, has been a shock."

He said that as well as sexual abuse they had evidence of a "brutal regime where violence was both extreme and routine". He suggested that prosecutions would be pursued for the offences, some of which occurred more than 40 years ago.

Nearly 100 men who had come forward were already receiving therapy via a local sexual assault referral centre and others had sought support from the children's charity NSPCC.

The inquiry began after the Guardian revealed in 2012 the plight of several victims of a prison officer at the centre, Neville Husband, suggesting that his abuse there, which had been known about for several years, was more extensive than previously thought.

Husband, by then a church minister, was jailed for eight years in 2003 for committing sex attacks on five young male Medomsley inmates between 1977 and 1984. His sentence was increased to 10 years in 2005 after new victims came forward and he admitted to attacks on four more boys.

Husband had been in sole charge of the kitchens at Medomsley. The 2012 Guardian investigation revealed he had raped boys on a daily basis for more than 15 years, while other staff allegedly turned a blind eye. His former colleague Leslie Johnson, a storeman, was jailed for six years in 2005 for sexual offences.

The pair, who have since died, were originally thought to be "bad apples", but now Durham police are convinced that Husband was part of a group of paedophiles who systematically preyed on vulnerable teenagers, particularly those who had been in care and did not have family who would visit them.

The investigation into abuse at Medomsley is the biggest undertaken by the police force.

Goundry said his officers had been shocked and sickened at evidence given by former inmates. "From the statements, there is growing evidence to suggest there was an organised paedophile ring operating in Medomsley. This will form a major part of our operation and future discussions with the CPS [Crown Prosecution Service]."

Goundry said the purpose of the investigation was threefold: to encourage victims to come forward, to prosecute surviving abusers and to help victims with belated after-care. He said officers were dealing with many men who were sent to Medomsley for petty crimes and had their lives ruined by the experience – some of them have never managed to work and still cannot leave their houses.

The investigation was also looking at victims of physical abuse at Medomsley. The team talked of a culture of violence above and beyond what was regarded as an acceptable level of discipline at the time.

In 2009, the then Labour government paid out a total of £512,000 in compensation to 12 Medomsley victims. For six years, the Home Office had fought compensation claims, using the statute of limitations to avoid payment in a costly legal fight that went all the way to the House of Lords, and even suggesting that one victim was "genetically predisposed" to being abused.

Those who were compensated hoped for an apology from the government, but the home secretary at the time, Jack Straw, told them "the terms of the agreement did not include an apology".


Kevin Young was sent to Medomsley in 1977 for receiving stolen property (a watch his brother had given him). In 2012, he told the Guardian he had been raped on a daily basis by Husband; sometimes at the centre, and other times at Husband's home by a number of abusers.

After being released a day before his 18th birthday, Young went straight to Consett police station to report what had happened at Medomsley and was told it was a criminal offence to make such allegations against prison officers when he was on licence. "They were basically threatening to take me back to Medomsley, so I scattered pretty quick."

Young said this week he was not surprised by the scale of the current police operation, just saddened that it hadn't happened earlier. "In 2000, when I told police what I suffered and saw at Medomsley, I knew Husband was one of the most prolific sex abusers this country has seen. Despite all the alarm bells, he was allowed to abuse boys throughout his whole career as a prison officer."

• Anyone with information that may assist the inquiry can contact Durham police on 101 or 0345 60 60 365.

Timeline

1969: Prison guardian Neville Husband is arrested for possession of pornographic material while working in a kitchen at Portland Borstal in Dorset. The material depicts teenage boys. Police and the prison service accept his explanation that he was researching a book on homosexuality.

1970: Husband moves to Medomsley.

1977: Kevin Young is sent to Medomsley and immediately after his release reports being raped by Husband to local police. He is told he will be arrested for making complaints about prison officers.

1985: Storeman Leslie Johnson is arrested at Medomsley. Prison officers find pornographic material and sex aids in Husband's locker. Husband is transferred to Frankland prison. No action is taken against him.

1990: Husband retires from the prison service and receives an Imperial Service medal for serving with "diligence and fidelity".

1990: Johnson pleads guilty to sexually assaulting two boys, one at Medomsley. He receives a nine-month suspended sentence.

2003: Husband is jailed for eight years for attacks between 1977 and 1984.

2005: Husband's sentence is increased to 10 years after he admits further abuse.

2005: Johnson is jailed for six years for separate sexual offences.

2007: The CPS decides it is "not in the public interest" to proceed with charges that Husband abused a boy at Deerbolt youth offenders' institution after he left Medomsley and Frankland.

2009: The government pays £512,000 in compensation to 12 victims.

2010: Husband dies.

2012: The Guardian reveals that Husband's abuse was on a greater scale than previously thought. Police re-open the investigation after more victims come forward.

2014: Durham police say they are investigating an organised paedophile ring operating from Medomsley with more than 500 potential victims.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... al-victims


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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby semper occultus » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:38 pm

…a murky old swamp to be sure Searcher ….one in which you must be as up to your neck as any of us on here surely ?

Thatcher’s famous dictum before wasting time on someone – let alone admitting them into the inner circle of the royal presence was ofcourse “….is he one of us..…?” which is telling on 3 levels – her tribalistic-mafia-don blinkers ( hardly unusual amongst “conviction” politicians ), as reflective of the highly conspiratorial ( no other word will do ) circumstances surrounding her path to leadership & also the fact of the question being asked at all from which we surmise acceptance into the fold of those vouched-safe by members of the inner-group…

…….so who in the magic circle ( cercle ) gave Savile the nod when the question was put…?

2 names that spring to mind that one can imagine orbiting between the Savile & Thatcher systems that have cropped up are of course her Defence Minister Jonathan Aitken & Jeffrey Archer - who may share more than their initials….the former by far the more powerful before his downfall ….one of whose roles was paedophilic procurement for foreign visitors..esp in connection with the Al Yamamah arms deal…..

in the light of the perspicacious marsupial’s previous allusion : an interesting fellow :

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ofcourse someone very close to Aitken had the dubious honour of being awarded one of the more spectacular “suicides” in political history – his parliamentary aide Stephen Milligan – I never clocked he was involved with the SDP which was another leg of the late 70’s early 80’s atlanticist CIA operation in UK politics - who got a free pass back into the tory party - had friends .....& clearly some enemies

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….however the dynamics are hardly straight-forward though are they ….as Thatcher was not just a torpedo to destroy the “cancer” of socialism nesting in Britannia’s heaving lily-white bosom but also Ted Heath’s leadership of the Conservative Party - & according to the mythos he was Arch Bishop of the Anglican branch of the Church of Sodo-Satanism

Aside from your noted paradoxical characterisics she also utterly despised en masse the continental Europeans….Heath would seem a more likely hero to continental groups like the Cercle & the pink ballet crowd with Thatcher in the Atlanticist camp –

..….Thatcher’s key “handler” / link to the people behind the scenes was Airey Neave – like Mountbatten the target of a “hit” by the “IRA” – sorry the even more dubious INLA…

……one interpretation of how this reverberates across the Atlantic lies insofar as there’s factions & policy circles in the US that are behind the development of a united states of Europe concept ( Heath & the pro-EU element - lets turn the UK into a little pseudo-Germany ) whilst others are more suspicous of the emergence of some potential rival & more wedded to a more traditional atlantic vs continental structure ( Thatcher , anti EU, lets turn the UK into a pseudo 51st state )

….this fellow was a veritable goldmine of gossip on the type of hands-across the sea interaction you refer to above :

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Archer’s still interesting though as he was tied to the Jill Dando hit ( not least by our own dear Antiaristo ) – she was BBC & as a journalist there were rumours on Icke that she was working on some investigation into one tentacle or other of the political paedo network….

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Postby guruilla » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:34 pm

First off, a disclaimer: I haven't read this thread, much less the 4000 pages over at DI.com, just gone through the last two pages to see what's the latest, so I apologize if I post anything that's redundant.

While keeping up researches over at the Occult Yorkshire thread, one of the duckduck searches I routinely do is [whoever/whatever] + Jimmy Savile, because JS has become the strange attractor/black hole into which all things hitherto hidden are currently being drawn. (I guess we have JS to thank for that? :hrumph )

It's taken me this long to be willing to jump into that hole and what did it wasn't fascination for the Dark Side of (British) Society or a Desire to Expose the Oligarchs but the growing realization that Savile's Armies of Darkness had somehow trampled over my own childhood/psyche with their steel-toed winkle-pickers, glam-rock flares and child-catching top hats. To give just the latest example: as already I posted at yonder thread, my sister had JS's autograph, which my father allegedly got from Uncle Jimmy after a chance meeting on a plane. I was already suspicious about this version of reality, and then today I read, above:

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
After a hairy incident involving a stunt with the Royal Air Force, Savile hated to fly, so with the exception of one early trip to America to meet Elvis Presley, he never spent much time in the States, . . . And though he was a national celebrity from around 1964 until his death, he was always a doggedly provincial one, never letting go of a foothold in his native Leeds. . . .

:ohno:

Today I also found out this (which as far as I know hasn't made it to RI, though I can't think why not - and the funny thing is, when I searched, the only link to this material was one i included way back at the Strieber thread...?)

The series of articles we have run on Jimmy Savile has identified that Savile appears to have operated in Scarborough and Whitby in a paedophile-ring comprising himself, Mr Peter Jaconelli (Councillor and a Mayor of Scarborough, local business man who owned a string of ice cream parlours in Scarborough and along with Savile visited Whitby,) and Mr Jimmy Corrigan (local businessman who owned arcades in Scarborough).

Access to all of the information we have gathered can be obtained here: http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/jimmy-savi ... vindicated

Savile and Corrigan were members of the same marathon-running club, based in Scarborough, which also included Mr Alan Franey - a member of the Leeds General Infirmary NHS Management Team where Savile was a volunteer and was given free access to patients, thus allowing him to abuse them at will.

Savile then insisted that Mr Franey became a senior member of his NHS Broadmoor Taskforce and he was duly appointed General Manager under Savile’s patronage. According to witnesses Savile was granted unfettered and unsupervised access to patients, some of whom he also abused.

On Savile’s death, Mr Franey gave his close friend a fulsome, moving and truly heartfelt tribute, indicating the remarkable (given that Savile was a lifelong loner) depth of friendship and warm, personal affection between them
http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/savilejaco ... -continues

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There was a BBC show about this that aired this February (haven't watched it yet):



The BBC One - Inside Out documentary, of February 2014, featured some of the witnesses "who confirmed that Peter Jaconelli was a rabid paedophile and that North Yorkshire Police had both known of his offending and covered it up."
http://pierrejoubert.blogspot.ca/2014/0 ... bases.html


Notes: My grandfather's and later father's (Yorkshire) business began as a dairy and also had an ice cream company (and of course supplied other IC companies with milk). When my father was pushed out of the company he started his own ice cream company in Barbados.

The NHS was founded via, or along with, the Tavistock Clinic. Over at the Yorkshire thread I am trying to trace what may be a very long-going program of systematized sexual experimentation on/abuse of children that may or may not involve the Fabian society, "progressive" "nature" schools, Braziers Park, the British Society for the Study of Sex Psychology, the Bloomsbury Group and other literary/artistic movements of the early 20th century, the New Left, MI5 etc, the Council for Civil Liberties, the Albany Trust, the London School of Economics, NHS/Tavistock, and, urm, Gay Liberation....?

So anyway, back to the flying thing, I found this post today, SAVILE AND US SPY BASES It may be nothing, but it links to Savile's claims of being a spy and then describes five different air force bases around Scarborough, including, *sigh*, one called Thule.

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Green Beret Jimmy "I hate to fly" Savile

As well as these bases, there's Menwith Hill, also in North Yorkshire.

In 2012, the Guardian reported:

"Menwith Hill in North Yorkshire (above), is being expanded in a multimillion-pound programme as it becomes increasingly vital to US intelligence and military operations, according to a study of the controversial base...

"The base, which plays a key role in the global network of the National Security Agency (NSA)... is undergoing a big construction programme.

"The study describes the programme, called Project Phoenix, as 'one of the largest and most sophisticated high technology programmes carried out anywhere in the UK over the last 10 years'.
http://pierrejoubert.blogspot.ca/2014/0 ... bases.html

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We used to drive past this base all the time when I was a kid. We call it "the golf balls." It's on the same Moors where the Hindley/Brady murders took place, and then of course the "Yorkshire Ripper." Project Phoenix? Any relation to the notorious Phoenix Program?


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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby semper occultus » Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:19 pm

...Tavistock also had an Operation Phoenix...


Downard got excited by the word Beale in the old "twilight language"

"John F. Kennedy was born on May 29, 1917 at 83 Beals Street, Brookline, Massachusetts. Beals-Beale-Beal are names associated with the Kennedys through the magic and mystery of words. Beale onomatology is rendered thus: El-Bel-Baal-Be al-Beal-Beale. El is said to be one of the Hebrew names of God, signifying the 'mighty one.' It is the root of many other divine names and therefore, many of the sacred names in Masonry. Approximately one mile from Lindisfarne (the 'Holy Island'/'Holy House') is a barren place known as Beal. Lindisfarne is associated with Heredom, and the legends of King Arthur, the Round Table, Merlin, and other Camelot stories, as well as the Scottish Black Watch."

(Secret and Suppressed, "Sorcery, Sex, Assassinations and the Science of Symbolism," James Shelby Downard, pg. 75)


"The number 28 is one of the correspondences of Solomon in kabbalistic numerology; the Solomonic name assigned to 28 is 'Beale.'

(Secret and Suppressed, "Sorcery, Sex, Assassinations and the Science of Symbolism," James Shelby Downard, pg. 75)


…thinking about that picture of Savile in Air Force get-up – the combination is quite resonant & would repay more cross-referencing as air bases ( AFB’s ) seem to function – quite understandably - as primary nodes in the global infrastructure of the network just as people like Savile serve as a human equivalent…

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The vulnerable teen who spoke to ­detectives vanished just weeks after blowing the whistle.

The dropped probe was carried out by the Metropolitan Police – the same force now investigating six decades of abuse by telly star Jimmy Savile. It ­discovered high-profile men were ­paying the boys to attend sex parties at “millionaire properties” in London and the Home Counties.

A “network” of boys, including ­runaways, were used – many of whom were said to have been recruited around the then notorious rent-boy haunt of Leicester Square.

Some of the VIPs were said to have flown in via RAF Northolt on the outskirts of London.

One boy told police wealthy men from Belgium attended the parties, which were described as “high class” and featured top-notch food and booze.


…the Son of Sam cult / John Carr operated out-of-state at the AFB at North Minot North Dakota….

…MK Ultra & Paperclip refs to AFBs are too numerous to mention…

Diane Core in the book Chasing Satan identified an abuse cult operating from Kolsas NATO base in Norway - about which Daniel Ganser writes :

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