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Postby Col. Quisp » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:23 pm

Rocketman said:
I got in on Kindle and read it already. It's engrossing stuff. Davies's voice is even and neutral, though he doesn't hold much back, and among the most interesting things in the book is the writer's simultaneous repulsion/affection towards Savile. Davies was convinced since being a teenager that Savile is an evil, sick fuck (lecturing his friends on the subject habitually), and yet he ended up hanging out with him in several settings throughout the years, for long periods of time. He really must have been a master manipulator... at least among those he didn't simply savagely and without any compunction whatsoever abuse.


I tried to buy it on Kindle in the US but it's not available here in that format. Tried to buy it on Amazon UK but it won't let me. What's up with that?

I got an email recently from Kindle Publishing saying there's some kind of antitrust thingy going on with publishers who collude to keep ebook prices unreasonably high. could that be why Amazon in US won't make it available? I want to read it but don't want to buy the 3D book. Guess I'll wait it out.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby RocketMan » Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:24 am

Col. Quisp » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:23 pm wrote:Rocketman said:
I got in on Kindle and read it already. It's engrossing stuff. Davies's voice is even and neutral, though he doesn't hold much back, and among the most interesting things in the book is the writer's simultaneous repulsion/affection towards Savile. Davies was convinced since being a teenager that Savile is an evil, sick fuck (lecturing his friends on the subject habitually), and yet he ended up hanging out with him in several settings throughout the years, for long periods of time. He really must have been a master manipulator... at least among those he didn't simply savagely and without any compunction whatsoever abuse.


I tried to buy it on Kindle in the US but it's not available here in that format. Tried to buy it on Amazon UK but it won't let me. What's up with that?

I got an email recently from Kindle Publishing saying there's some kind of antitrust thingy going on with publishers who collude to keep ebook prices unreasonably high. could that be why Amazon in US won't make it available? I want to read it but don't want to buy the 3D book. Guess I'll wait it out.


That's funny, cuz the only available Amazon store for me to buy Kindle books is the US store. That's where I bought mine.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby smoking since 1879 » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:06 am

RocketMan » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:24 am wrote:
Col. Quisp » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:23 pm wrote:Rocketman said:
I got in on Kindle and read it already. It's engrossing stuff. Davies's voice is even and neutral, though he doesn't hold much back, and among the most interesting things in the book is the writer's simultaneous repulsion/affection towards Savile. Davies was convinced since being a teenager that Savile is an evil, sick fuck (lecturing his friends on the subject habitually), and yet he ended up hanging out with him in several settings throughout the years, for long periods of time. He really must have been a master manipulator... at least among those he didn't simply savagely and without any compunction whatsoever abuse.


I tried to buy it on Kindle in the US but it's not available here in that format. Tried to buy it on Amazon UK but it won't let me. What's up with that?

I got an email recently from Kindle Publishing saying there's some kind of antitrust thingy going on with publishers who collude to keep ebook prices unreasonably high. could that be why Amazon in US won't make it available? I want to read it but don't want to buy the 3D book. Guess I'll wait it out.


That's funny, cuz the only available Amazon store for me to buy Kindle books is the US store. That's where I bought mine.



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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby brekin » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:45 pm

Publishing houses sell e-book rights to different countries and so have different arrangements with each country or their regions. I found out because I wanted to get a e-book and it wasn't available through Amazon US, but was through Amazon Germany, UK, Australia, etc. Basically I could start placing the order but as soon as I entered in my Credit Card info they saw it was a US based one and they would stop the order. Very frustrating. I want to say this wasn't always the way with e-book publishing rights until a few years ago. This is different from print books though, as far as I know. I ordered the print version of the above book and that went through no problem as well as other international books in the past.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby smiths » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:10 pm

i thought i'd throw this piece in here since it realtes to the OP and to the libertarian right

The LM Network and Operation Yewtree (or Won’t Someone Think of the Abusers?)

Since the government’s announcement last week that there was to be an over-arching inquiry into child sex abuse at the highest levels of British politics, it was only inevitable that the LM Network would be out in force to cry foul and muddy the waters a little. In the last few days, Frank Furedi and Claire Fox have been conducting a tour of national television and radio studios to offer their rather suspect take on the matter. Within the space of hours, Furedi and Fox have both attempted to claim that the latest call for inquiry will lead to a “fear of adults” and that parents will be too afraid to let their children play outdoors for fear of being kidnapped and/or molested. This is not the issue and they know it. The majority of the abused children did not come from stable homes, nor were they kidnapped while playing on the swings in the local park. Many were in care homes and others were students at boarding schools. This point has been consistently sidestepped by LM in order to advance the claim that ‘freedoms’ are being compromised or eroded. It’s a classic appeal to emotion.

On Monday, Furedi and Fox’s fellow LMer, Brendan O’Neill, was quick out of the traps with this piece of drivel.

For around 30 years now, Britain has been in the grip of a paedophile panic.

You know where this is going and predictably enough.

There has been no break from the paedophile panic over the past three decades. Even when certain forms of the panic are exposed as baseless, as completely hollow, the underlying urge behind the panic, the moralism that is its fuel, simply moves on to another terrain, adopting a new language and a new focus to keep the concern with evil child abusers alive.

O’Neill continues:

Yewtree has institutionalised the 30-year-long paedophile panic, elevating it from an ever-present but sometimes ill-formed thing into an actual institution, a key part of British political, social and moral life, a constant provider of yet more horror stories, claims and rumours about wicked behaviour. And when (if) Yewtree is wrapped up? It will be replaced by something else. There are already demands for an extensive ‘Hillsborough-style inquiry’ into the rumours of a paedo ring in Westminster, the paedo obsessives clearly already looking for their next outlet, the next moral terrain on which they might keep alive their panic and spread more fear about the demonic dangers surrounding children in every town, village and hamlet in Britain.

Nowhere in O’Neill’s article is there even a modicum of sympathy for the victims. It’s all about him and his libertarian friends and how the investigation/inquiry will limit their ‘freedom’. That reminds me, the comments thread is particularly vile. Take this comment from which I shall quote a portion.

Steve Moxon Observer • 2 days ago
Yes, Rolf Harris’s conviction and absurd six year sentence today is a travesty of justice: a show trial of man-hating ideology.

This is just a sample of what passes for libertarian-style analysis. Demands for justice for the murdered and the abused children are dismissed as part of some “man-hating ideology”. It’s at times like this that some right-wing libertarians reveal, not only the limits of their thinking, but their real thoughts about women and children, who they believe exist solely for the pleasure of men.

In February, The Grand Furedi contributed this article to Spiked. He complains that Operation Yewtree is “more propaganda than policing”. He rationalizes Yewtree thus:

Operation Yewtree was different: it was not designed to solve reported crimes. Its principal aim, rather, is to construct crimes through soliciting allegations of sexual abuse committed decades and decades ago.

Children were killed and many more have been scarred for life, but all Furedi and his gang can do is complain that any attempt to get justice for the victims (a word he rejects) is an affront to his notion of ‘liberty’.

Here’s (Video at link) The Grand Furedi on Monday’s edition of Newsnight. Count the number of times he refers to children’s homes.

Not once. Cristina Odone, who often makes little sense, actually talks more sense than Furedi!

The LM network has always had questionable ideas on pederasty.

It should come as no surprise, therefore, that the LM Network wants no restrictions on Internet pornography. This includes child pornography.

What LM and their libertarian friends conveniently ignore is the impact that their ‘freedom’ will have on the freedoms of others. Theirs is nothing less than a rationalization of selfishness. The right of children to be free from exploitation and abuse is of little or no interest to them.

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Postby stefano » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:07 am

I feel like I've been reading a lot of Michael Jackson scandal lately, too. Cliff Richard reminds me of him in a lot of ways. Is the Peter Pan thing just a name the papers gave Richard, or did he ever use that himself? From my daily celeb gossip indulgence:

Michael Jackson Threatened Maids With ‘Doo-Doo Snowballs’: A Serious Internet Report

Michael Jackson Used To Call Jizz ‘Duck Butter’
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby Col. Quisp » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:19 pm

I read the "duck butter" article - here's a clever comment from the peanut gallery:

"I reckon by the end of the week, there will be at least one “artificial jizz” manufacturer who will be calling their product “I can’t believe it’s not duck butter”."
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Postby zangtang » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:53 pm

obviously going to have to change the sweet nothings at the height of orgasmic earthshakery from 'howaay the lads' or 'bombs awaay' to -

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Postby semper occultus » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:43 am

...odd Billy Graham link....

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Postby Col. Quisp » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:53 am

What are they looking for? As if there would really be evidence after all those years...Not saying he didn't do it, but really, do they expect to find a souvenir, or what? Looks like the alleged abuse didn't even happen at his home....am I crazy? Are they saying it happened at the house before he owned it? I am confused! They don't say it was Sir Cliff who did the deed, just that "an adult' did it at a religious event held by Billy Graham at the home of Sheffield United footballl club in 1985.
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Postby Ben D » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:54 pm

^ The next stage....

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/08/24/uk-police-interview-cliff-richard.html

UK police interview Cliff Richard

Updated: 10:27 am, Sunday, 24 August 2014

Police have interviewed Britain's veteran singer Cliff Richard following an historic sex crime allegation against him, his spokesman says.

Richard, one of the country's top entertainers since the 1950s who is famous for hits such as Living Doll and Devil Woman, met officers voluntarily on Saturday and was not arrested or charged.

The interview came after his luxury apartment in Sunningdale, Berkshire, southern England, was last week searched by police investigating the allegation which involves a boy under 16 and dates back to the 1980s.

The 73-year-old star's spokesman said: 'He co-operated fully with officers and answered the questions put to him.

'Other than restating that this allegation is completely false and that he will continue to co-operate fully with the police, it would not be appropriate for Sir Cliff to say anything further at this time.'

Police have said their investigation is in its early stages.

Richard's fans have rallied around him, showing their support by buying copies of his 1992 single I Still Believe in You, in a bid to get it into this week's Top 40 list of best-selling singles.

The search of the star's home has attracted controversy due to questions over how broadcaster the BBC, which had a crew on the scene at the time, knew it was taking place.

The BBC's director general, Tony Hall, and David Crompton, chief constable of South Yorkshire Police which led the search, have been summoned to give evidence to the House of Commons Home Affairs Select Committee in September.

Announcing the move Friday, committee chairman Keith Vaz said it was a 'serious matter' to ensure that relations between police and the media were always 'ethical'.

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby brekin » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:36 pm

Recently just finished the Davies book In Plain Sight. The book I think gives some insight into Savile, his crimes and the cultural milieu that allowed his wicked reign for so long but, as Davies admits even after having close personal contact for seven years and even more years of independent research, ultimately Savile, while not having probably much depth was inscrutable, probably even to himself. What does seem apparent from the exhaustive book, which the title makes plain, was while Davies was quite intelligent and used that intelligence to evade being brought to justice, his crimes were pretty well known in many circles of the entertainment industry, government, police, the medical field, etc And he was as reckless as he was prolific, if not for the untold times when hospital staff, from porters, nurses, to administrators, or police, up and down the organizational ladder and similarly at the BBC, dance halls, city governments, even unfortunately many victim's parents colluding with Savile, disbelieving the victims or more commonly just turning a blind eye he would have been probably nipped way back in the 50's. Some of this is because he definitely built a power base throughout a cross section of all of society to insulate him, but some of it seemed to be a strange willingness on most of a nation to disbelieve that such a celebrity charity figure was capable of such things even though he perversely created such allusions openly into his persona.

Finishing the book, the only thing I could immediately liken this phenomenon to was the novel/film by Stephen King, IT. I hate to invite any further supernatural speculation regarding Savile because it seems just to muddy the waters of something that seems to have pretty straight explanations so I'm just looking to the parallel reaction of the towns people in the book/film and the persona of Pennywise and not his actual supernatural origin or powers. (Although Savile's life changing accident as a young man in the mines is ripe for occult analysis, but I digress.)

In the novel/film IT the adult towns people of Derry are unable to recognize the child killer clown Pennywise in their midst. Only the children involved are able to recognize him and evidence of him even when parents and authority figures are faced with direct evidence. Even the children when they grow up "forget" Pennywise. Bizarrely, I think Stephen King, really intuitively hit on the conspiracy of silence that a lot of children victims experience when they encounter abuse, especially institutional abuse and collusion. In regards to Savile, it is like the town of Derry was all of the UK and they decided to give Pennywise his own television shows aimed at youth as well as unlimited access to hospitals where he could prey on them. Savile traveled the country in his Rolls and RV, even requesting during some periods "five virgins" to be provided for him by the town councils to camp with when he came to town for a charity gig. And they did! At least twice he assaulted or tried to assault all or some of the girls provided. Sadly, some of his child victims tried to forget or move on regarding and only when having to witness him in some new television show as an adult did they make a complaint. In Plain Sight, many times is like reading about a character on the scale of Pennywise. It is estimated in one report that just via the BBC on site and off-site he could have molested 1000 victims. Even after leaving the Top of the Pops, he came back for its last show, or anniversary show and he assaulted a teen from the audience at age 80. One of his last big charity projects was his attempt to build a children's hospital which he specified to look like a castle which he claimed he would always be in residence! Thank God, that was one of the drives he wasn't successful with.

Kind of mind blowing and pathetically sad. Never thought I'd read about a real life individual who would remind me so much of the fictional Pennywise.

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Postby Twyla LaSarc » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:21 pm

Found this while hunting around. It's a little disjointed, but there's some possible intersection with this subject via pirate offshore radio and the culture there. This was the guy who owned Radio Lux. where JS started out. More than a few names to follow up on.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/2 ... rate-Radio


Such was the wealth generated by Radio Normandy and his other stations, Plugge was able to purchase a luxury motor yacht to travel between London and his studios. In 1935 he stood for the constituency of Chatham in Kent using the slogan "Plugge in for Chatham". Three weeks before he had married. This could well have been to keep his private life from public attention. In his biography of Stephen Ward (a victim of the Profumo scandals in the 1960s) Douglas Thompson describes Plugge as a

connoisseur of beautiful women and would engage an assortment of them to cater for his every need, his only prerequisite being that they were completely naked while doing so...

Thompson quotes Kim Waterfield as calling him "Dirty Lenny" and revealing

He kept a couple of mistresses in Dolphin Square and had what in the Deep South of America they call "wierd ways"
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Postby semper occultus » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:37 pm

...yep..well Dolphin Square - located in deepest "Pimp-llico" where the political classes keep their crash-pads for illicit activities...

....a very important bit of research here on "left-hand" ( path ? ) Jimmy :

( too long & pic heavy to C&P check link )

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