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Postby guruilla » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:51 am

I hadn't heard that story. I wonder if Savile hosted that episode of TOTP?
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:38 pm

It's certainly possible, and should actually be quite simple to confirm. If Kizko was arrested on the 21st December 1975, as Wikipedia says, then it would've presumably been the last episode of TOTP preceding that date that he watched (I can't be sure that it was really shown the exact night before his arrest - the story comes from a documentary on the case that I watched some time ago, so memory might be a bit off).

TV listings for that era will still exist somewhere - old episodes of Radio Times, etc. and on specialist forums/blogs/archives for TV nostalgia obsessives. It wouldn't really prove anything anyway, except that Savile invaded people's psyches in a wide variety of differently damaging ways, which we already know.

I'm not blaming Slade for anything, they're awesome.

Ah, no worries, Wikipedia to the rescue, hopefully in a reliable way. These are episodes from the time that were re-shown on UK Gold in the nineties:

1975

2 January 1975 (Jimmy Savile)
20 March 1975 (Tony Blackburn)
10 April 1975 (Emperor Rosko)
28 August 1975 (Tony Blackburn)
4 September 1975 (Jimmy Savile)
23 December 1975 (Dave Lee Travis & Jimmy Savile)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_To ... _Gold#1975


So he was certainly presenting the show around December '75.

I guess Slade would've been promoting their single "In For A Penny", released 14 November that year.

Mildly interesting aside:

The track did not have a promotional video but was performed on the UK TV shows Top of the Pops and Supersonic. The song's performance on Top of the Pops has never been seen since the original broadcast.
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Postby guruilla » Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:12 pm

from "In for a Penny":

Do you remember the night in September
The two of us laid in the hay
Do you remember the day in December
And how we got carried away

If you're in for a penny
You gotta be in for a pound
Oo 'Cos over and over
You play me that old fashioned sound
So look around. Play the refrain
Play it and play it and play it again...

Did you discover that Oo I'm a lover
When we took a tumble or two
Were you surprised when you tried me for size
You bit off more than you could chew


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Postby Col. Quisp » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:53 pm

Dave Glover, bass guitarist of Slade from 2000-03, lost his gig with the band after announcing intention to wed Rose West. however, West dumped him soon after announcing the engagement. There's some smoke there, maybe some fire? Perhaps Glover knew the Wests back in the day, when Fred was involved in making videotapes. Guess we'll never know the depth of the Wests' involvement in the Savile web.

On second thought, Glover wasn't with the band during the Wests' heyday/ Also he was only 30-something when he allegedly became in love with Rose. Still, Noddy sure looks creepy.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:54 am

6 June 2014 Last updated at 09:38 ET
Jimmy Savile NHS abuse victims aged five to 75

Kate Lampard QC: Victims "deserve an explanation"

Jimmy Savile scandal

Reaction to hospital abuse
The victims' stories
Why NHS 'must learn lessons'
Q&A: Jimmy Savile abuse
Ex-BBC DJ Jimmy Savile sexually assaulted victims aged five to 75 in NHS hospitals over decades of unrestricted access, investigators say.

He assaulted patients in bed, and claimed to have abused corpses, reviews into his conduct on NHS premises found.

The reports cover 28 hospitals including Leeds General Infirmary and Broadmoor psychiatric hospital.

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt apologised to victims, saying Savile's actions "will shake our country to the core".

'Glass eyes'
Savile, a Radio 1 DJ who also presented the BBC's Top Of The Pops and Jim'll Fix It, died aged 84 in October 2011 - a year before allegations that he had sexually abused children were broadcast in an ITV documentary.

The reports on Leeds General Infirmary and Broadmoor are detailed and, at times, graphic.

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He was a sickening and prolific sexual abuser who repeatedly exploited the trust of a nation”

Jeremy Hunt
Health secretary
They explain how Savile was allowed unsupervised access to vulnerable patients, with a failure to question the risks of his unconventional and promiscuous lifestyle.

The Leeds investigation found:

Sixty people came forward to say they had been abused between the ages of five and 75, including staff
The offences ranged from lewd remarks to sexual assault and three cases of rape and took place between 1962 and 2009
Only nine victims told members of staff. There were a further eight female victims who met Savile at the hospital, but were not patients
Savile had a well-known fixation with the dead and the report contains allegations he posed for photographs and performed sex acts on corpses in the hospital mortuary
While there is no way to verify the claim, Dr Sue Proctor - who led the Leeds inquiry - said there is no doubt controls on access to the mortuary were "lax"
Patients, including teenagers recovering from surgery, were abused in their beds
A 10-year-old boy was sexually assaulted while he waited on a trolley for an x-ray on his broken arm
A number of organisational failures over the years enabled Savile to continue unchallenged
The situation allowed someone "as manipulative as Savile to thrive and continue his abusive behaviour unchecked for years"
Mr Hunt told the Commons one victim being treated at Leeds General Infirmary feared she was pregnant after being abused.

Kate Lampard
Kate Lampard QC was appointed to oversee the investigations
There were also reports that Savile made jewellery out of glass eyes taken from dead bodies from the hospital mortuary, he told MPs.

Mr Hunt apologised on behalf of the government and the NHS, saying of the victims: "We let them down badly."

The health secretary said there was a "deep sense of revulsion" over the findings.

He added: "As a nation, at that time we held Savile in our affection as a somewhat eccentric national treasure with a strong commitment to charitable causes.

"Today's report shows that in reality he was a sickening and prolific sexual abuser who repeatedly exploited the trust of a nation for his own vile purposes."

Mr Hunt is writing to all NHS trusts asking them to ensure they are confident about patient safety.

A spokesman for Prime Minister David Cameron said he was "deeply shocked", adding it was "important lessons are learned".

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The Leeds report was clear that no one person is to blame for what happened at the hospital other than Savile. But it did describe a lack of curiosity about his activities.

One 16-year-old victim told BBC Radio 4's Today programme she was abused by Savile in a basement at the Leeds hospital.

When she started to tell nurses, they laughed so she did not tell them everything.

"It's only after it's all happened, I think you just feel dirty, you feel ridiculously stupid," she said.

"Because I didn't think I was that naive. And you try to analyse it and think: 'Could I have done anything differently to stop it?'.

"And to this day, all these years later, I really don't think I could have done."

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Analysis by Nick Triggle, health correspondent, BBC News
Since the allegations about Jimmy Savile came to light, the police have looked into how many victims there may have been. A review of why he was never prosecuted has also been carried out.

But this is the most comprehensive account of how he was able to offend and get away with it for so long.

Reviews into his behaviour at the BBC and care homes are expected later this year - and will no doubt shed even more light on the scandal.

But for now the failings of the NHS - an institution that is there to care for the vulnerable - are in the spotlight.

He enjoyed unsupervised access, particularly at two sites, Leeds General Infirmary and Broadmoor psychiatric hospital, and was able to use his fame to intimidate junior staff.

What is more, senior management were too unquestioning.

The reports are loathe to blame individuals.

But with cases of abuse and improper conduct being reported up until 2009 - albeit much less frequently than in the 1960s and 1970s - the NHS has a lot of soul-searching to do.

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Leeds General Infirmary
The report on abuse at Leeds General Infirmary is one of the most detailed of the 28
Lesley McLean, Victim Support manager for West Yorkshire, said: "The parents of the children [Savile] abused in Leeds hospitals were already anxious about their child's health.

"What they thought was a treat for their loved one was actually their worst nightmare."

Leeds Teaching Hospitals Trust issued a statement apologising to "each and every one of Savile's victims".

"There should have been far more scrutiny of him and what he was doing at our hospitals over the years, and more robust safeguards and internal controls in place to protect our staff and patients in our care," chief executive Julian Hartley said.

'Deeply sorry'
In 1988, Savile was appointed by the Department of Health as the head of a taskforce overseeing Broadmoor.

The report describes an inappropriate culture at Broadmoor that allowed sexual liaisons between staff and patients and discouraged reporting of concerns.

The Broadmoor report found:

Savile watched and made inappropriate comments when female patients stripped and showered naked in front of staff, a practice which was common in the late 1980s
The late DJ was "narcissistic, arrogant and lacking in any empathy"
He was also very manipulative and staff were convinced he had close connections in high places
There was "no evidence that those responsible knew anything of the very much darker side" to Savile that was later revealed
Eleven allegations of sexual abuse were reported to the review. Six of them involved patients, two staff and three children
The report said the numbers were very likely to be an underestimate of the true picture because so many former patients simply wished to forget their time at Broadmoor.

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When complaints were made about Savile, victims were either told that they simply would not be believed or they received responses like 'oh, that's just Jimmy'”

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Labour's Andy Burnham said giving Savile "gold-plated keys" to the hospital was "one of the greatest failures in public protection and patient safety we've ever seen".

The shadow health secretary called for an over-arching, independent inquiry into the scandal.

"It would appear Savile was appointed to this role without any background checks at all," he told the BBC. "There needs to be more independent scrutiny of how the government of the day handled this."

Reports have been issued on: St Catherine's Hospital (Birkenhead); Saxondale Mental Health Hospital; Portsmouth Royal Hospital; Dewsbury and District Hospital (including Pinderfields Hospital); High Royds Psychiatric Hospital; Cardiff Royal Infirmary; Great Ormond Street Hospital; Exeter Hospital; Ashworth Hospital; Barnet General Hospital; Booth Hall; De La Pole Hospital; Dryburn Hospital; Hammersmith Hospital; Leavesden Secure Mental Health Hospital; Marsden Hospital; Maudsley Hospital; Odstock Hospital; Prestwich Psychiatric Hospital; Queen Victoria Hospital, East Grinstead; Royal Victoria Infirmary; Queen Mary's Hospital, Carshalton; Whitby Memorial Hospital; Wythenshawe Hospital, and Woodhouse Eaves Children's Convalescent Homes in Leicester.

A report about Wheatfield's Hospice, which is run by the Sue Ryder charity, has also been released.

Leicestershire Police has launched an investigation after one victim of Savile, who was abused as a young boy at a children's convalescent home in Woodhouse Eaves, told an enquiry team the entertainer was involved in the death of another child.

However, no reference to a child's death could be found in the records of the home, Roecliffe Manor, which closed in 1969.

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A victim's story
Sixty people have recounted how they were abused by Savile at Leeds General Infirmary, many were young people and teenagers.

One victim, who was 16 when she was assaulted, told the BBC Savile took her to a local shop to buy sweets and magazine, but soon afterwards sexually assaulted her in a hospital basement.

"He pulled me in immediately and started to kiss me with his tongue", she said.

"At the same time his left hand went on to my right thigh under my dress" she added.

"There was no conversation up until that point. I couldn't have said anything even if I'd wanted to, because he had his tongue in my mouth, which wasn't pleasant".

After the assault she said she felt "dirty and ridiculously stupid". She said she began to tell nurses about the incident but when they laughed felt she couldn't finish.

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Hospital bedroom
A key report into Savile's activities at Stoke Mandeville Hospital has been delayed after new information recently came to light.

Savile had a bedroom at Stoke Mandeville, where his now-defunct charitable trust was based, as well as an office and living quarters at Broadmoor.

Reports concerning two other hospitals - Rampton and Barnet, Enfield and Haringey Mental Health Trust - have also been delayed.

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There are also new investigations at Springfield Hospital and Crawley Hospital.

It is understood investigations at two hospitals - the Royal Free Hospital in London and Pennine Acute NHS hospitals Trust - found nothing to report.

The revelations made in a 2012 ITV documentary about Savile prompted more than 100 people to come forward, giving accounts of how they were sexually assaulted by Savile on NHS premises and in other places.

A report by the NSPCC said Savile abused at least 500 victims, including some as young as two.

BBC health reporter Pippa Stephens said there have been many significant changes in the law since the time Savile committed abuse
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Postby RocketMan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:38 pm

And as ever, it is essential to point out that Savile acted ALONE and with NO INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT. David Cameron, that unreconstructed Bullingdon Club cunt, reassures us that lessons will be learned.
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Postby brekin » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:46 pm

BBC health reporter Pippa Stephens said there have been many significant changes in the law since the time Savile committed abuse


None of which will effect those above the law.
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Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:30 am

The 300 tonne elephant in the room is, as is so often the case, the involvement of the intelligence services. Saville was employed by the BBC from the seventies onwards, which means he must have been vetted by MI5 at some point. He was also close "friends" with the royals and Thatcher. Yet apparently nobody had any "intelligence" about what he was up to, let alone sought to investigate whether there was any substance to the rumours which seemingly everybody in the entertainment industry appears to have been aware of. To anyone who gives this more than a seconds thought this jumps out a mile as an issue yet nobody seems publicly to be questioning it.

Mind you we're talking about the same services that apparently can tell us the position of every Russian tank within 100 miles of the Ukranian border to within a couple of inches but managed to miss the huge column of thousands of ISIS fighters in jeeps and trucks before they started capturing Iraqi cities. :lol:
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:26 am

gnosticheresy_2 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:30 am wrote:The 300 tonne elephant in the room is, as is so often the case, the involvement of the intelligence services. Saville was employed by the BBC from the seventies onwards, which means he must have been vetted by MI5 at some point. He was also close "friends" with the royals and Thatcher. Yet apparently nobody had any "intelligence" about what he was up to, let alone sought to investigate whether there was any substance to the rumours which seemingly everybody in the entertainment industry appears to have been aware of. To anyone who gives this more than a seconds thought this jumps out a mile as an issue yet nobody seems publicly to be questioning it.

Mind you we're talking about the same services that apparently can tell us the position of every Russian tank within 100 miles of the Ukranian border to within a couple of inches but managed to miss the huge column of thousands of ISIS fighters in jeeps and trucks before they started capturing Iraqi cities. :lol:


The Elm Lea Guest House apparently had 'visitors' that included senior police, Intel services, Northern Ireland politicians of BOTH sides (lolWHUT??!) and (allegedly) high profile Christian pop singers.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/28/jimmy-savile-access-margaret-thatcher


Ponderings...
Scenario 1
"Savile groomed the whole Nation"

By establishing a complex web of influence and hoodwinking everyone, Savile was able to get away with his evil deeds. Lessons were learned and these are different times and our thoughts must be with the victims as we move on... :roll:

Scenario2
"Savile does his Duty for England"

From Adam Curtis's series on Thatcher, I came away with a clearer sense that was not NOT, paradoxically, a right-wing ideologue - rather a capitol 'R' Romantic - actually much closer to Queen Elizabeth the First and perceived values of chivalry, drama, courage, real politic - and personally embodying the nation.

My suggestion is that Savile had some resonance with this worldview.

Could Savile have framed what he did (perhaps even believed in it himself) in a way that finesses with (and even anticipates) the needs of the UK Establishment and Intel services?

He was smart about power dynamics, observational and very adaptive.

He sees an opportunity to infiltrate pedo networks so they are under the control / observation of the state. Savile was a 'fixer' and would have helped people 'get things done' through 'personal influence networks'. In the real world, perfectly civilised English people, in between talking about Wimbledon and the weather and eating strawberries and cream over the summer picnic, might use a phrase like "I hope someone could have a word with that chap, he doesn't appreciate the bother he is causing" and two days later, he has resigned / relocated / caved-in. The clients are just interested in results getting done without a fuss - and Sir Jim delivers every time. "Leave the 'How' to me" says Jim.

Perhaps Savile could even have framed it in the guise of national security...
"This is a role that I have chosen to lead for the security and benefit of our nation. One person had to be willing to play the role for our national interests. Our country needs someone to play this ghastly role... for life. I will do that, and you need to give me access everywhere to do that. We should know who every pedo politician, judge, police officer, civil servant is. We should let them know we know, so if they have problems, they come to US. It also helps them keep silent about others similar interests.
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Postby semper occultus » Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:36 pm

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Image Auction: This necklace belonging to Jimmy Savile with a glass eye at its centre was sold for £75 at a charity auction shortly after his deathImageImageImageImage

Image TV outing: The auction said that the necklace was worn on Top of the Pops and believed to have been when he co-presented its final episode in 2006, where he also groped a child
Image Sick: New evidence revealed that Savile abused the dead and stole their glass eyes and turned them into rings like these (pictured on his left hand). His victims were aged between five and 75Image Macabre: Savile with more rings on his left hand. It's not known if these are the rings made from glass eyes which he took from dead bodies at the mortuary of Leeds Royal Infirmary
Image Savile's Rolls-Royce Corniche which he nicknamed 'The Beast' sold for £130,000 at a charity auction in Leeds - raising £320,000 in 2012



NHS and Department of Health investigations into Jimmy Savile


Reports of the NHS investigations into Jimmy Savile.

Contents Kate Lampard, a former practising barrister and former Deputy Chair of the Financial Ombudsman Service, was appointed by the Secretary of State in October 2012 to provide independent oversight of three independent investigations into the role of Jimmy Savile in the NHS. Kate Lampard has overseen the joint Broadmoor Hospital investigation by the Department of Health and West London Mental Health Trust and the investigations at Leeds General Infirmary and Stoke Mandeville Hospital to ensure a robust process is followed. She has also provided general oversight of the smaller investigations conducted by the relevant legacy Trust.

See Kate Lampard’s assurance report.

NHS investigation reports
The reports into the activities of Jimmy Savile in relation to hospitals/hospice premises have been published by the relevant hospital trusts and are available from the links below.

Leeds General Infirmary (Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust)

Broadmoor Hospital (West London Mental Health NHS Trust and Department of Health)

St Catherine’s Hospital Birkenhead (Wirral Community NHS Trust)

Saxondale Hospital (Nottinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust)

Portsmouth Hospital (Portsmouth Hospitals NHS Trust)

Dewsbury and District Hospital (including Pinderfields Hospital) (Mid Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust)

High Royds Psychiatric Hospital (Leeds and York Partnership NHS Foundation Trust)

Wheatfields Hospice (Sue Ryder - non-NHS)

Cardiff Royal Infirmary (Cardiff and Vale University Health Board)

Great Ormond Street Hospital (Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children NHS Foundation Trust)

Exeter Hospital

Ashworth Hospital (Mersey Care NHS Trust)

Barnet General Hospital (Barnet and Chase Farm Hospitals NHS Trust)

Booth Hall (Central Manchester University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust)

De La Pole Hospital (Hull and East Yorkshire Hospitals Trust)

Dryburn Hospital (County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust)

Hammersmith Hospital (Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust)

Leavesden Secure Mental Health Hospital (Hertfordshire Partnership University NHS Foundation Trust)

Marsden Hospital (Royal Marsden NHS Foundation Trust)

Maudsley Hospital (South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust)

Odstock Hospital (Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust)

Prestwich Psychiatric Hospital (Greater Manchester West Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust)

Queen Victoria Hospital, East Grinstead (Queen Victoria Hospital NHS Foundation Trust)

Royal Victoria Infirmary (Newcastle Upon Tyne Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust)

Queen Mary’s Hospital (Epsom and St Helier University Hospitals NHS Trust)

Whitby Memorial Hospital (York Teaching Hospital NHS Foundation Trust)

Wythenshawe Hospital (University Hospital of South Manchester NHS Foundation Trust)

Woodhouse Eaves Children’s Convalescent Home (University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust)

NHS investigation statements
The NHS investigations at the Royal Free Hospital and the North Manchester General Hospital (commissioned by Royal Free London NHS Foundation Trust and the Pennine Acute Hospitals NHS Trust respectively) have not published reports, but have published statements.

•North Manchester General Hospital statement

•Royal Free Hospital statement
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:37 pm

Col. Quisp » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:53 am wrote:Still, Noddy sure looks creepy.


I know the thread has moved on, and it was me that brought him up twice in the first place (once in relation to Stefan Kizko, and once over his anecdote about being paid to defecate on a glass-topped table while a German businessman lay underneath... yes, I know, I know) but I genuinely think - on gut instinct and a little bit of knowledge alone - that Noddy Holder is one of the good guys.

He has no (deliberately projected) air of hidden menace, like with Savile or the young Dave Lee Travis. He only came into the Kizko case because Stefan had seen him on TOTP - he had zero direct involvement in it at any point. And his stage gear may stick uncomfortably in the mind, but that's the purpose of it. "Invasion of the psyche" like guirilla said. All shamen dress and look and act funny. Few reclaim glass eyes from mortuaries for incorporation in their regalia, though - Savile apparently did.

Surprised to hear about the later Slade guitarist and his attraction to Rose West though. It's perhaps admirable that he doesn't go on looks alone, but really?

I'd say Noddy is what Savile merely pretended to be for his own purposes - a big, gruff, and defiantly regional larger-than-life personality, with a heart of gold underneath the somewhat dominating "I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" exterior.

Jesus, did I just write an impassioned defence of Noddy Holder on an international conspiracy forum? What happened....
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Postby cptmarginal » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:07 am

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5298/ ... ng-inquiry

Andy Burnham presses Jeremy Hunt for ‘overarching inquiry’
Inquiry into child sex abuse is raised for third time in Parliament as 113 MPs sign up to it
By Alex Varley-Winter | 26 June 2014

Health secretary Jeremy Hunt was challenged in Parliament today by shadow minister Andy Burnham over an overarching inquiry into child sex abuse.

The clash came as Hunt was called to the House of Commons to answer an “urgent question” about a series of reports by the Department of Health and NHS hospitals into paedophile activities of Jimmy Savile, the late BBC star.

Hunt issued an apology on behalf of the government and the NHS for the failures as revealed by the reports.

But Burnham said “Each hospital has effectively investigated itself,” saying that it showed the need for an overarching, independent inquiry.

Kate Lampard, a barrister, oversaw investigations at three of the hospitals – Broadmoor, Leeds General Infirmary and Stoke Mandeville.

Only two days ago, Burnham became one of 113 MPs so far to join the cross-party call for an independent panel to carry out an investigation into child sex abuse in the UK similar to the inquiry into Hillsborough, the football disaster of 1989.

Addressing Savile’s crimes, Burnham asked Hunt: “There is now a clear case for a proper, overarching, independent review led by child-protection experts into why there was such large-scale, institutional failure to stop these abhorrent crimes.

“I would be grateful if the secretary of state gave this proposal careful consideration. I finish by assuring him of our full support in helping him to establish the full truth of why abuse on this scale was allowed to happen for so long.”

Hunt said: “The question of whether any further inquiries are necessary will of course be considered. The first step is to let Kate Lampard do her full report.

“At this stage, she has not drawn together all the different inquiries and tried to draw lessons from the system as a whole.”

“We need to hear what she has to say about that and, indeed, what the Department for Education and the BBC learn from their reports, and then we will come to a conclusion about whether any further investigations are needed.”

Other MPs pressed Hunt over what they say is an urgent need for an overarching inquiry in the organised sexual abuse of children. These MPs included three of the original seven who earlier this month sent a joint letter to Theresa May, home secretary, asking her to set up an independent panel to hold it.

The three were Tim Loughton, Conservative; Tessa Munt, Liberal Democrat; and Simon Danczuk, Labour.

A further Labour MP, Chi Onwurah, pressed Burnham’s question, asking the health secretary: “Do we not need an overarching, independent inquiry?”

David Cameron was challenged at prime minister’s questions a fortnight ago about whether he would order a Hillsborough-style inquiry into the organised sexual abuse of children in the UK.

Earlier this week, as the number of MPs who support such an inquiry passed the 100 mark, Loughton raised the issue with the issue with Andrew Lansley, leader of the House of Commons.

The final question went to Tom Watson, a Labour MP, who asked Hunt today whether there was any evidence that Savile’s victims feared to come forward because he enjoyed powerful, political protection.

Hunt said that he did not believe that there was any such evidence in today’s official reports.

We have reproduced extracts of today’s relevant exchanges in the House of Commons below.
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Postby cptmarginal » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:08 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 71057.html

"It was a relief when I got the knighthood because it got me off the hook": An exclusive interview with Jimmy Savile from 1990 has a new meaning

In the light of details about sexual abuse and macabre acts that emerged from an inquiry into Jimmy Savile last week, this compelling and disquieting interview by the celebrated journalist Lynn Barber takes on new meaning. We run it in full for the first time since it was published in 1990 in The Independent on Sunday

Sir James Savile is absolutely knocked out, over the moon, tickled pink, and thrilled to bits with his knighthood, and still reeling from the excitement of it all. Ooh, but it has played merry hell with his diary. “The Queen deciding to give me this tremendous responsibility – I mean, you go to bed one minute without a care in the world and you wake up the next morning with this gi-normous responsibility come through the letterbox.

Do you want to see the gear?” he asks, burrowing under the put-u-up to find his briefcase (we are in his London flat) from which he produces a transparent plastic folder. “Read it all,” he urges. “Go on. Have a little dwell on that. That folder encapsulates it all.”

The folder encloses the letter from the Prime Minister offering him a knighthood, the envelope it came in, some bumf about keeping it secret till the proper date and then – proudest of all – telegrams from Charles and Diana, from Prince Philip, a handwritten letter from Angus Ogilvy and a very sweet homemade card with a stuck-on snapshot of Princess Bea, from the Duchess of York. He is almost bursting with pride as he shows them off.


Many businesses and organisations use him as a conduit to the Royal Family; he can pick up the telephone to most of them and has long worked with Prince Charles (“the most caring fellow I’ve ever met – oh, unbelievable”) on the problems of the disabled. He is an habitué of Highgrove and Buckingham Palace, of No 10 and Chequers, where he often spends Christmas or New Year – though he carefully points out that he has been friendly with all the past four Prime Ministers because Stoke Mandeville is Chequers’ local hospital.

Anyway, he is very, very well connected; many multinationals use him as a consultant and not just for PR purposes but for marketing advice. To the public, he remains the silver-haired, track-suited jester, but those who have worked with him take him very seriously indeed.

Still, his jester image may have made his knighthood slower than it would otherwise have been. “I would imagine that I unsettled the establishment,” he agrees, “because the establishment would say, ‘Yes, Jimmy’s a good chap but a bit strange... a bit strange.’ And I think maybe in the past I suffered from the vulgarity of success. Because if you’re successful in what you do, you can become a pain in the neck to a lot of people, especially if you’re doing it in a voluntary manner, right?”

Right. So being awarded a knighthood was a joy and an honour. More interestingly, he says it was also a relief. For the past several years, tabloid journalists have been saying that he must have a serious skeleton in his cupboard, otherwise he would have got a knighthood by now. “Ooh ay, I had a lively couple of years, with the tabloids sniffing about, asking round the corner shops – everything – thinking there must be something the authorities knew that they didn’t. Whereas in actual fact I’ve got to be the most boring geezer in the world because I ain’t got no past. And so, if nothing else, it was a gi-normous relief when I got the knighthood, because it got me off the hook.”
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby RocketMan » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:51 am

cptmarginal » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:08 am wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/it-was-a-relief-when-i-got-the-knighthoodbecause-it-gotme-off-the-hook-an-exclusive-interview-with-jimmy-savile-from-1990-has-a-new-meaning-9571057.html

"It was a relief when I got the knighthood because it got me off the hook": An exclusive interview with Jimmy Savile from 1990 has a new meaning

In the light of details about sexual abuse and macabre acts that emerged from an inquiry into Jimmy Savile last week, this compelling and disquieting interview by the celebrated journalist Lynn Barber takes on new meaning. We run it in full for the first time since it was published in 1990 in The Independent on Sunday

Sir James Savile is absolutely knocked out, over the moon, tickled pink, and thrilled to bits with his knighthood, and still reeling from the excitement of it all. Ooh, but it has played merry hell with his diary. “The Queen deciding to give me this tremendous responsibility – I mean, you go to bed one minute without a care in the world and you wake up the next morning with this gi-normous responsibility come through the letterbox.

Do you want to see the gear?” he asks, burrowing under the put-u-up to find his briefcase (we are in his London flat) from which he produces a transparent plastic folder. “Read it all,” he urges. “Go on. Have a little dwell on that. That folder encapsulates it all.”

The folder encloses the letter from the Prime Minister offering him a knighthood, the envelope it came in, some bumf about keeping it secret till the proper date and then – proudest of all – telegrams from Charles and Diana, from Prince Philip, a handwritten letter from Angus Ogilvy and a very sweet homemade card with a stuck-on snapshot of Princess Bea, from the Duchess of York. He is almost bursting with pride as he shows them off.


Many businesses and organisations use him as a conduit to the Royal Family; he can pick up the telephone to most of them and has long worked with Prince Charles (“the most caring fellow I’ve ever met – oh, unbelievable”) on the problems of the disabled. He is an habitué of Highgrove and Buckingham Palace, of No 10 and Chequers, where he often spends Christmas or New Year – though he carefully points out that he has been friendly with all the past four Prime Ministers because Stoke Mandeville is Chequers’ local hospital.

Anyway, he is very, very well connected; many multinationals use him as a consultant and not just for PR purposes but for marketing advice. To the public, he remains the silver-haired, track-suited jester, but those who have worked with him take him very seriously indeed.

Still, his jester image may have made his knighthood slower than it would otherwise have been. “I would imagine that I unsettled the establishment,” he agrees, “because the establishment would say, ‘Yes, Jimmy’s a good chap but a bit strange... a bit strange.’ And I think maybe in the past I suffered from the vulgarity of success. Because if you’re successful in what you do, you can become a pain in the neck to a lot of people, especially if you’re doing it in a voluntary manner, right?”

Right. So being awarded a knighthood was a joy and an honour. More interestingly, he says it was also a relief. For the past several years, tabloid journalists have been saying that he must have a serious skeleton in his cupboard, otherwise he would have got a knighthood by now. “Ooh ay, I had a lively couple of years, with the tabloids sniffing about, asking round the corner shops – everything – thinking there must be something the authorities knew that they didn’t. Whereas in actual fact I’ve got to be the most boring geezer in the world because I ain’t got no past. And so, if nothing else, it was a gi-normous relief when I got the knighthood, because it got me off the hook.”


I mean what. The. Actual. Frack. Take a gander at this passage:

He was devoted to her – the more so, perhaps, because, as the youngest child of seven, he’d had a fairly scant share of her attention. “I wasn’t her favourite by any means; I was fourth or fifth in the pecking order.” But when he became famous, he laid his fame and money at her feet, and they had l6 years before she died in 1973 where she had “everything”. He once told Joan Bakewell: “We were together all her life and there was nothing we couldn’t do. I got an audience with the Pope. Everything. But then, I was sharing her. When she died she was all mine. The best five days of my life were spent with the Duchess when she was dead. She looked marvellous. She belonged to me. It’s wonderful, is death.

(Incidentally, he has an enthusiasm for dead bodies in general, which can be quite unnerving. The first time I ever met him, eight years ago, he raved on about all the bodies that came his way in the mortuary at Leeds Infirmary and how he wished he could take the healthy eyes from one and the good bones from another to repair his living patients at Stoke Mandeville. He sounded like Dr Frankenstein.)


And straight from there on to his supposedly meager sex life. How is it possible that this journalist still seems to think of Savile as some sort of charming eccentric after the deal with the erotic fascination with death, dead bodies and especially the cadaver of HIS MOTHER. Goddamn. :starz:
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Postby Searcher08 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:10 am

Savile made his own laws and probably tested himself by breaking every 'taboo' society has.
Screwing one's dead elderly mother? = hitting the trifecta for Sir Jim.

My intuition, informed by the evidence that he was a child rapist and necrophiliac and left-hand path occultist, is that he would have engaged in and abetted child sacrifice, murder and torture because... he could. These were societal lines to cross and for some people, crossing these lines probably resulted in 'joining a club'.
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