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Postby divideandconquer » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:31 pm

slomo » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:42 pm wrote:
divideandconquer » 17 Mar 2017 04:48 wrote:This link posts some of the artist that was selected to pain the mural's work (TRIGGERING)


So what I am seeing now is a conflation of homosexuality with "demonic". That seems to be the perspective of author Maureen Mullarkey. Admittedly, Cinalli's work reveals an obsession with, shall we say, the lower chakras, exactly the kind of thing you don't want in a space that is supposed to be spiritually uplifting. But my reading of her subtext isn't that she exclusively objects to the profane materiality of the artist's work, rather she objects to the artist's homosexuality (and, via guilt-by-association, Archbishop Paglia's potential homosexuality). Again, it's easy to find evidence within the gay community of the kind of hedonism that could be characterized as demonic, but there now seems to be a desire to conflate homosexuality in general with evil.

Reflecting back over the last 4 months, I see that in Pizzagate as well. Sure, some of the players are shady AF, and there are hints of real-world abuses, but the lasting memetic content seems to be that gay = pedophile. While it's true that some PG "researchers" are in fact primarily or exclusively concerned about elites' abuses of children, a great many of them seem rather to be morbidly focused on the scandalous details of abuse, especially as they may pertain to those fag pedifiles. Certainly, most of them seem to be ignoring the potential culpability of current members of our administration, making PG a seemingly partisan exercise after all.

So now the whole national vibe feels like a coup by Opus Dei.


I think it's all a part of the "terror dialectics" that they use to divide and conquer. At the same time that the ruling class/globalists/powers that be seem to be promoting gay or LGBT rights and acceptance at every turn, they are simultaneously throwing these people under the proverbial bus. The homosexuality-is-evil subtext is blatant to anyone who dares to look beyond the outward appearance of this so-called push for equality.

Another wedge vehicle being driven home to divide us are recent laws cropping up across the nation that appear to be anti-family. Apparently thought police at both the national and state levels of government are pushing a militant LGBT agenda to absurd, divisive heights, in effect driving a wedge between both gay and straight populations. The public education agenda is derisively teaching openly gay lifestyle choices in schools to children from kindergarten through the twelfth grade. There are laws in California that allow a student 12 or older to be taken off campus without parental permission to reeducation centers where they are “reeducated,” instilled with politically correct brainwashing of proper LGBT orientation and attitude.

Sounds very much like Hillary’s “fun camps” to reeducate adults who aren’t quite lapping up her official politically correct adult programming agenda. It’s one thing to uphold antidiscrimination laws protecting Americans of all persuasions and lifestyles which are obviously important, but it’s another to aggressively indoctrinate and brainwash youth [or adults] about individual sexual preference and alternative lifestyle choices especially at such young impressionable ages. This appears to be yet another nationalized ploy to dictate another divisive wedge between people rather than inclusively bring them together. It also is a longtime subversively globalist agenda to weaken the family bond and family structure


In other words, in my humble opinion, I think they are setting up the LGBT population to be one of their scapegoats. As more and more people struggle to survive; lose their quality of life; lose their children to a demoralized, dehumanized and debased world, they will look for someone to blame.

"Look what happened to our world when the gays came out of the closet, got their equal rights!"

I mean, is it any coincidence that the emergence of pedophilia scandals--from the Catholic Church to the boy-scouts to Jerry Sandusky to Pizzagate--and gay rights/mainstreaming of LGBT population occurred right around the same time? And that the exposed pedophilia involved mostly men and boys?

They need us to be at each others throats; they need scapegoat populations, so we don't see who our real enemy is.

“Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect."


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Re: Habemus Papam! Pope Francis l

Postby liminalOyster » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:44 am

This Secret Catholic Exorcist Cult in Brazil Is Making a Deal with the Devil
The Vatican is looking into a group of exorcists who apparently made a pact with Satan on climate change and the death of Pope Francis.


Barbie Latza Nadeau
BARBIE LATZA NADEAU
06.18.17 12:00 AM ET
http://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secre ... -the-devil

ROME—Plinio Correa de Oliveira is almost as peculiar in death as he was in life. Dr. Plinio, as he is still known by his devout followers, was a right-wing Catholic figure who founded the ultra conservative Tradition, Family and Property Association, known in Catholic circles as the TFP.
In the early 1960s, he famously came to Rome to protest the opening of the Second Vatican Council, which sought to modernize the Catholic Church in a changing era. He called such attempts at renewal “a point in history as sad as the death of our Lord” and handed out propaganda with similar sentiments.

In death, Dr. Plinio is said to be in close contact with Satan, who supposedly can be channeled by Brazilian exorcists. He also apparently rules the so-called afterlife to such an extent that his followers are convinced he controls climate change and is working toward the death of Pope Francis, according to Andrea Tornielli, who writes the Vatican Insider blog, and has published a series of articles outlining this saga worthy of a Dan Brown bestseller.

By getting rid of Pope Francis, some of the doctor’s followers believe, the way would be open for the Catholic Church to elect a more conservative leader in line with their more traditional practices.

After Dr. Plinio died in 1995, the TFP broke into two groups. One retains the TFP name and supports the recent claims of dubia or doubts launched against Pope Francis, which are supported by American Cardinal Raymond Burke. The other group, known as the Heralds of the Gospel, was founded by Monsignor João Scognamiglio Clá Dias and allegedly takes part in cult worship.

The extent of Plinio’s supernatural proclaimed by Dias (or at least the extent to which his followers exalt him for that perceived power) is the subject of a new inquiry by the Vatican’s Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life, according to Tornielli.

Specifically, Dr. Plinio’s followers led by Dias are said to be using rogue exorcism practices in which they actually communicate with the devil possessing people rather than chasing him out, as the standard accepted practice in Catholic exorcisms dictates.

According to Catholic sociologist Massimo Introvigne, who has studied Dr. Plinio’s life work, the Heralds of the Gospel form “a sort of secret and extravagant cult,” with its trinity composed of “Plinio Correa de Oliveira, his mother Donna Lucilia, and Monsignor Clá Días himself.”
And that sort of devil worship is understandably a problem for the Catholic Church. On June 12, Clá Dias resigned as head and founder of the Herald of Gospels, although Tornielli says he will stay on in what appears to be a consultant-like role.

"In leaving this assignment I cannot—as I do not wish—before God, to renounce my father's mission,” Dias wrote in his resignation letter, according to Tornielli. “And therefore I will continue to be available to each one, as God made me a living model and guardian of this charism given to me by the Holy Spirit.”


Particularly damning for the cult-like group is a series of videos on the internet that show exorcisms using practices not authorized by the Catholic Church. They include purported conversations between the exorcists and the devil, which is a no-no in standard exorcism procedures. (Yes, exorcism as such remains a staple of the faith and authorized practitioners are not only recognized but recommended by Pope Francis.)

“Woe to the exorcist if he loses himself behind curious questions, which the ritual expressly forbids, or if he lets himself be led into a discussion with the devil as he is the master of lies,” Tornielli says, quoting the words of the Church’s most famous exorcist, Father Gabriele Amorth.

In one passage from a video seen by The Daily Beast, Dias asks one of his minions to read from a transcript that was purportedly jotted down by an observer at one of the rogue exorcisms encompassing what appears to be dialogue between the exorcist and Satan.
The conversation was stilted, as one might expect with the struggle for the possessed person’s soul, but the gist was that Plinio was randomly “breaking people's computers so that they can’t go on the internet” and that he is changing the climate and was “therefore the author of the climate change, and the increase of heat. It is Plinio who does everything,” according to the devil as channeled through the exorcist. Then, the devil predicts that a meteorite will crash into the Atlantic ocean. “North America will disappear,” he warns.

The devil then turns to the fate of Pope Francis, which Tornielli was able to transcribe and translate from the somewhat distorted video. “The Vatican? It's mine, mine!” the devil says to the exorcist, according to Tornielli’s transcript. “The pope does whatever I want, he's stupid! He obeys me in everything. He is my glory, he is willing to do everything for me. He serves me.”

Then the devil, again as channeled by the exorcist for the Heralds of the Gospel, predicts that the pope will perish, not during a voyage, but at the Vatican. “The pope will die falling,” the exorcist’s transcript says quite clearly.

While much of the Heralds of the Gospel work seems, well, fanciful at best, the Vatican’s investigation is very serious. The Vatican could censure the group or strip it of the blessings of the Catholic Church, which would likely not actually stop them, but instead just push them farther underground. Or it could try to corral them back into the fold and hope they stop having sympathy for the devil.
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Re: Habemus Papam! Pope Francis l

Postby identity » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:52 pm

Slomo: So what I am seeing now is a conflation of homosexuality with "demonic".


From a question asked today at ask.metafilter:

My boyfriend of nearly two years recently came out to his ultra-conservative, kind-of-crazy Catholic parents. They are convinced he is possessed by a demon king and is going to hell. [snip...] On his last visit, his mom told him point-blank that he is possessed by the evil demon king Asmodeus and that he will go to hell if he doesn't do something about it and his demon-driven sexuality.


First time I ever hear of this evil demon king, even though I was baptized and confirmed in the RCC! Was I asleep when the sermon about him was delivered???
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Re: Habemus Papam! Pope Francis l

Postby cptmarginal » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:34 am

The Vatican has suspended its first audit by a major accounting firm in a move that raises new questions about the Catholic church’s commitment to cleaning up its finances. The Vatican’s chief spokesman, Federico Lombardi, said the audit by PricewaterhouseCoopers had been halted pending an analysis of “certain aspects” of the auditing arrangement.

The surprise decision has exposed a deep rift between the church’s old guard – a powerful Italian bureaucracy resistant to greater transparency – and supporters of financial reform, led by the Australian cardinal George Pell. Pell, a controversial senior figure, was handpicked by Pope Francis to lead the drive for reform.

The Holy See’s finances have long been seen as a mystery, with Pell himself acknowledging in 2014 that “hundreds of millions of euros” had been discovered “tucked away” and off the city-state’s balance sheets.


Now:

George Pell takes leave from Vatican to fight sexual abuse charges in Australia

In the statement, Pell offered up a robust defence of his actions and claimed he was a victim of a witch hunt.

“There has been relentless character assassination for months ... I am looking forward finally to having my day in court, I am innocent of these charges, they are false. The whole idea of sexual abuse is abhorrent to me,” Pell told reporters at a televised press conference.


How very robust :lol:

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George Pell profile: the pope's Australian hardman faces the fight of his life

Thursday 29 June 2017 07.09 EDT

David Marr on the long and often controversial career of a ‘bright kid’ who rose from rural Australia to the highest reaches of the Catholic church


A bright kid from an Australian bush town, George Pell kept his nose clean as he rose through the ranks to become chief of the Vatican’s finances. Despite a notably hard heart he was always a valuable asset to the church as a fearless conservative ideologue and a fine administrator.

Young Pell was plucked from Australia to train in Rome and at Oxford for the big career that was always beckoning. He returned to serve briefly and unhappily in a remote parish on the Murray before being brought into the heart of the diocese of Ballarat which in those years was a hell of child abuse.

Pell swears he saw little or nothing in those years.

Strange that the career of a man who would climb so far and so fast was marked early on by such a want of curiosity. He would explain to Australia’s royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse: “It was a sad story and of not much interest to me.”

He sat on a committee that transferred Father Gerard Ridsdale from parish to parish. The crimes of this vicious paedophile were notorious in Ballarat, known to the bishop and familiar to other members of the committee. But by his own account, Pell never asked why this priest was always on the move.

Pell was a big man who awed the faithful and impressed politicians. Even in Ballarat he began to display an almost magical ability to extract money from governments. This was to stand him in excellent stead in his Australian career.

So did his decision to put behind him his early enthusiasm for Vatican II. He was just the kind of energetic and worldly priest the new Polish pope admired. The mission of John Paul II was to restore the majesty of the church through fearless orthodoxy. Pell would berate his colleagues for being “frightened to put forward the hard teachings of Christ.”

But John Paul II came with a blind spot that would cause the church immense harm: he was not the least engaged by the scandal of child abuse that broke over his church in the 1980s. The message from Rome was unambiguous: no ambitious priest could build a career by hounding paedophiles from the ranks.

Rome first made Pell head of the Melbourne seminary – where he saw off its more liberal elements – and then appointed him an auxiliary bishop in that huge archdiocese in 1987. He would later be accused of failing to purge paedophile priests from parishes and schools. He has always put his inaction down to lack of knowledge and lack of authority.

In the last years of the old century, Pell’s parallel career in Rome flourished. He was the first Australian ever to join the church’s key ideological body, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In the decade of Pell’s membership, the congregation banned books, silenced theologians, excommunicated Marxists and found fresh ways of excoriating homosexuality.

Rome made him archbishop of Melbourne at the age of 55. Melbourne was his parish. He was always comfortable among the powerful. Now he could demonstrate his immense capacity as an administrator.

Key to Pell’s success in every post he has held in the church is his determination to hire the best professionals, particularly the best accountants and lawyers. They didn’t have to be Catholics. They could be Jews or gay or divorced. That didn’t matter. They had to be the best.

Pell hired a skilled team to run the Melbourne Response. For nearly a decade the Australian bishops had been dithering over what the church should do for victims of abuse. Just as they were about to launch the scheme called Towards Healing, Pell broke away and set up his own Melbourne scheme. This earned him the enmity of his fellow bishops but allowed him to boast that he was one of the first bishops in the world to address the needs of the abused.

The Melbourne Response saved the church hundreds of millions of dollars, giving small sums to victims and most of the time compelling them to remain quiet about their fate and their settlements.

Melbourne made Pell a national figure for the first time. He earned a certain celebrity for his pugnacious moral declarations. This was Archbishop Pell on boys at Catholic schools driven to suicide by homophobia: “It is another reason to be discouraging people going in that direction. Homosexual activity is a much greater health hazard than smoking.”

Not until he became the Archbishop of Sydney in 2001 was there ever a suggestion he might, himself, have abused children. In 2002 he stood aside for some months while a church-appointed commission investigated allegations which, in the end, a retired Victorian supreme court judge found to be not proven.

Pell became a cardinal a year after returning to work. He personally instructed legal teams fighting victims’ claims for compensation to play hardball. Victims who accepted even meagre compensation were usually gagged. One case fought to the finish under Pell’s direction established the principle that victims have no claim against church assets held in property trusts.

Australia remains, as a result, the only country in the common-law world where the Catholic church cannot usefully be sued. There is no money available. Again, this was of immense financial benefit to the church.

Pell exercised authority in Australia as few church leaders had before him. Politicians were attentive. He raised huge sums. He could call Rome to his aid at any time. He chose bishops. He wrote columns for the popular press. He brought to the work of the church his unique brand of high conservatism and tough administration.

Though priests and religious were, by this time, trooping off to prison in alarming numbers, Pell opposed all calls for a royal commission into the scandal of child abuse in the church. Police began complaining of interference by the church in their work. Shocking evidence emerged in Ireland. Australian politicians began to buckle. Try as he might, Pell could no longer hold the line.

Julia Gillard, then prime minister of Australia, appointed the royal commission in November 2012. Pell appeared stunned at the press conference he called that afternoon to promise full cooperation but defend his faith. He said: “We are not interested in denying the extent of misdoing in the Catholic church. We object to it being exaggerated; we object to being described as the only cab on the rank.”

Pell gave evidence many times to the commission learning, slowly at first, to answer questions in ways cardinals are rarely asked to do: by a secular lawyer, usually a woman, with the power to compel answers.

He was no slouch in the witness box but some of his stumbles became famous. Perhaps the worst was the time he compared the church to trucking companies and abusive priests to drivers who assault hitchhikers they pick up along the road. “I don’t think it appropriate for the … leadership of that company be held responsible.”

That notion was met with mirth and disbelief.

One afternoon he departed the witness box for a vast farewell mass in his cathedral on the eve of his flight to Rome to take up a new post created by Pope Francis. Pell was to become the third ranking figure at the Vatican as cardinal-prefect of the Secretariat for the Economy. His departure from Sydney was widely welcomed in the church in Australia.

Pell was born for the huge job he took up in Rome at the age of 73. He brought to it all his formidable administrative skills. He engaged the finest professionals in Europe to audit Vatican institutions. Within months he reported finding millions of hidden euros. It wasn’t to last. His opponents in Rome soon succeeded in reining in his commission.

When the royal commission asked him to return to give evidence again last year, his doctors declared him unfit to fly. He stared down Tim Minchin’s song Come Home Cardinal Pell (2,027,229 hits) and gave evidence from a hotel ballroom in Rome in the presence of dozens of survivors of abuse who flew to the Eternal City for the occasion.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, the Australian press had begun cautiously reporting police investigations into new allegations of abuse by Pell dating back many years. Pell has denied all of these allegations.

No figure in the church as senior as Pell has ever been charged with sex abuse. After the police announcement in Melbourne, the Vatican machinery moved seamlessly. The pope expressed support. The cardinal stood aside from his many church offices. He made it unequivocally clear that he will return to Australia to appear in that most unlikely forum, a Melbourne magistrate’s court.

He said: “I am looking forward finally to having my day in court.”






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