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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:53 am

In current times, the previous two popes and the Catholic hierarchy have been asked on numerous occasions to rescind the Discovery Doctrine. By their silence and their inability to acknowledge the truth of the genocide which they committed, the doctrine continues today as church policy. Several protestant churches, including the Church of England, have already renounced the Discovery Doctrine. Native American groups have already indicated that they plan to ask the new pope to rescind what they see as an evil doctrine.





MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

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Long ago, for many years
White men came in the name of GOD
They took their land, they took their lives
A new age has just begun
They lost their GODS, they lost their smile
they cried for help for the last time.
Liberty was turning into chains
But all the white men said
That's the cross of changes
In the name of GOD - The fight for gold
These were the changes.
Tell me - is it right - In the name of GOD
These kind of changes ?
They tried to fight for liberty
Without a chance in hell, they gave up.
White men won in the name of GOD
With the cross as alibi
There's no GOD who ever tried
To change the world in this way.
For the ones who abuse His name
There'll be no chance to escape
On judgement day
In the name of GOD - The fight for gold
These were the changes.
Tell me - Is it right - In the name of GOD
These kind of changes ?
Tell me why, tell me why, tell why
The white men said:
That's the cross of changes ?
Tell me why, tell me why, tell why,
In the name of GOD
These kind of changes.

Argentina, Catholicism, and Native Peoples
by: Ojibwa
Thu Mar 14, 2013 at 09:55:45 AM PDT

There is a common lie, told over and over again by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church-- including the previous Pope--that when the Catholic missionaries landed in South America they were met by people eagerly awaiting the Christian faith. According to this lie, the indigenous people, who had no religion from the Catholic viewpoint, were anxious for the word of God and for conversion to the one true faith.
Ojibwa :: Argentina, Catholicism, and Native Peoples
In reality, the Catholic missionaries arrived in South America armed with guns, steel, germs, and a legal document-the Discovery Doctrine-which authorized a reign of terror and genocide against all who failed to convert. The Discovery Doctrine declared that Christian nations had a right, if not an obligation, to govern all non-Christian nations. Once an Indian nation had been read the Christian history of the world, even though it might be read to them in a language they did not understand, then they were obligated to be ruled by the "superior" Christian nation.
The Catholic Pope in 1452 laid the foundation for the Doctrine of Discovery by issuing the papal bull dum diversas which instructed the Portuguese monarchy:

"to invade, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens, pagans, and other enemies of Christ, to put them into perpetual slavery, and to take away all their possessions and property."
The Discovery Doctrine asked that the Native Americans come forward of their own free will to convert to Catholicism or

"with the help of God we shall use force against you, declaring war upon you from all sides and with all possible means, and we shall bind you to the yoke of the Church and Their Highnesses; we shall enslave your persons, wives, and sons, sell you or dispose of you as the King sees fit; we shall seize your possessions and harm you as much as we can as disobedient and resisting vassals."
Furthermore, the Natives who resist are to be held guilty of all resulting deaths and injuries.

What the Catholic missionaries found in South America, in places such as the area which would become Argentina, were American Indians who already had religion and were not eager to abandon their way of life to conform to Catholic standards. What followed were centuries of religious suppression, not of Christianity, but of the Indian religions as well as both cultural genocide-an attempt to eradicate all aspect of indigenous cultures-and physical genocide.

Among Argentina's Indian nations, groups such as the Diaguita, had successfully prevented the Inka from expanding their empire and these groups vigorously opposed the expansion of European empires into their lands. They carried on a prolonged campaign against Spanish colonization and rule. They stopped several attempts by the Spanish to establish a colony at Buenos Aires and in 1516 killed the Spanish explorer Juan de Solis. It wasn't until the late sixteenth century that the Spanish gained a firm foothold on the country. Spanish domination came not from the superiority of their religion or their weapons, but from the diseases which they had unknowingly brought with them. These diseases, such as smallpox, decimated the Native populations.

In current times, the previous two popes and the Catholic hierarchy have been asked on numerous occasions to rescind the Discovery Doctrine. By their silence and their inability to acknowledge the truth of the genocide which they committed, the doctrine continues today as church policy. Several protestant churches, including the Church of England, have already renounced the Discovery Doctrine. Native American groups have already indicated that they plan to ask the new pope to rescind what they see as an evil doctrine. According to Tonya Frichner, president of the American Indian Law Alliance:

"Now is the time for the new leader of the Roman Catholic Church to extend a hand and talk about these issues."
Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/new...

Stephen Rex Brown, writing for the New York Daily News, reports:

The protest against the Discovery Doctrine won't fade once the white smoke dissipates from the Sistine Chapel chimney. In August, Native Americans will embark on a 13-day canoe trip from Albany to New York City to symbolize the common ground they share with European settlers - a relationship that could be improved with the renunciation of the heinous papal declaration.
There are some today who say that the Latin American people have waited twenty centuries for a Latin American pope. This continues the mythology of Indian people eagerly awaiting Catholicism. It denies the validity of American Indian religions and ignores the genocide perpetrated against them.

Today, the people of Argentina are overwhelmingly of Spanish and Italian descent (97%) and less than 2% can claim indigenous heritage. The many native languages which were once spoken in the country have become extinct, as well as most of the Native American ceremonial practices. Many of the Indian nations which once called this area home have also gone extinct.




There are some today who say that the Latin American people have waited twenty centuries for a Latin American pope. This continues the mythology of Indian people eagerly awaiting Catholicism. It denies the validity of American Indian religions and ignores the genocide perpetrated against them.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Habemus Papam! Pope Francis l

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:44 pm

0_0 wrote:Now i'm confused.. is the new pope a fascist or not?



If one is head of an organization one must be responsible for the actions, recognize and confess the sins of that organization to be absolved from the mortal sins perpetrated by said

The Vatican Role in the Ustasha Genocide in the Independent State of Croatia
Nov 11, 2011

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Roman Catholic Croatian guards at the Jasenovac concentration camp prepare to execute an inmate. Source: US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

By Carl Savich

What role, if any, did the Vatican play in the genocide committed in the Independent State of Croatia, a Roman Catholic state sponsored by the Vatican? This has been a controversial topic regarding World War II historiography. Renewed debate was stirred in 1999 with the publication of Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII (New York: Viking, 1999) by John Cornwell.

Vatican Knowledge

The nature of the Ustasha NDH regime was well-known by the Vatican and by the US government as early as 1941. It was no secret that the Ustasha government sought to exterminate the entire Serbian, Jewish, and Roma populations of Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina. There was never any intention to deny or to hide this policy by the NDH government itself. In fact, the Ustasha documented the genocide with photographs and even film. Education Minister in the NDH regime Mile Budak openly announced that the policy was to kill a third, deport a third, and forcefully convert a third of the Serbian population of Croatia and Bosnia. Budak stated in 1941: “Thus, our new Croatia will get rid of all Serbs in our midst in order to become one hundred per cent Catholic within ten years.” A policy of mass murder and genocide was openly declared. In a speech made in Zagreb, NDH leader or Poglavnik Ante Pavelic stated: “A good Ustase is one who can use his knife to cut a child from the womb of its mother.”

Pope Pius XII defended Ante Pavelic as “a much maligned man” and sent Papal Nuncio Giuseppe Ramiro Marcone (1882-1952) to the NDH regime during World War II as his personal representative. The Vatican did not de jure recognize the NDH state but did send Giuseppe Ramiro Marcone as a delegate or emissary of the Holy See to the Zagreb Episcopaly on August 5, 1941. Marcone was publicly seen and photographed with Ante Pavelic and prominent Ustasha religious, political, and military leaders.



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Ante Pavelic, center, with Vatican Nuncio or legate Ramiro Marcone, left, and Vatican Secretary to the Nuncio Giuseppe Masucci, at a ceremony in Zapresic, a town northwest of Zagreb.

The Vatican did, however, de facto recognize the NDH. The countries which recognized de jure the NDH, legally, diplomatically, and officially, were: Finland (July 2, 1941); Hungary (April 10, 1941); Germany, Italy and Slovakia (April 15, 1941); Bulgaria (April 21, 1941); Romania (May 6, 1941); Japan (June 7, 1941); Spain (June 27, 1941); Japanese-occupied China (July 5, 1941); Denmark (July 10, 1941); Japanese-occupied Manchuria in China, Manchukuo (August 2, 1941); Japanese-occupied Burma, Japanese-occupied Philippines, the “Free Indian” government, and, Thailand (April 27, 1943). Vichy France did not de jure recognize the NDH state but sent a trade representative, Andre Gailliard, to Zagreb. Vichy negotiated a trade agreement with the NDH on March 16, 1942, thus establishing de facto recognition. Switzerland established a trade agreement with the NDH on September 10, 1941 through trade representative Friedrich Kaestli. The Vatican established immediate and direct diplomatic relations with the NDH Ustasha regime in 1941. What prevented the Vatican from legally recognizing its puppet and proxy NDH state was the potential backlash from the Allies, particularly Great Britain and the US.

The Vatican also had unofficial diplomatic relations with the NDH government through contacts with Croat representatives of the NDH regime Nicola Rusinovic and Erwin Lobkowicz. “These arrangements were semi-secret”. But “by March 1942, despite the abundance of evidence pointing to mass killings, the Holy See was nevertheless drawing the Croatian representatives toward official relations.” With Germany and Italy poised to win the war in 1942, the Vatican was moving closer to establishing official diplomatic relations with the NDH.

Did the Vatican know of the mass murders and genocide being committed in the NDH? The three heads of the Vatican Secretariat of State, Domenico Tardini, Giovanni Battista Montini, later Pope Paul VI, and Luigi Maglione, knew of the atrocities in the NDH but did nothing to stop them, remaining passive.

Eugene Tisserant, a French cardinal prominent in the Vatican hierarchy, told Rusinovic on March 6, 1942 that he was aware of Croatian Roman Catholic clerical involvement in the mass murders:

“I know for a fact that it is the Franciscans themselves, as for example Father [[Vjekoslav] Simic of Knin, who have taken part in attacks against the Orthodox populations so as to destroy the Orthodox Church. In the same way you destroyed the Orthodox Church in Banja Luka. I know for sure that the Franciscans in Bosnia and Herzegovina have acted abominably, and this pains me. Such acts should not be committed by educated, cultured, civilized people, let alone by priests.” In a meeting of May 27, 1942, Tisserant informed Rusinovic that based on German figures, “350,000 Serbs had disappeared” in the NDH and that “in one single concentration camp there are 20,000 Serbs.” The full extent and nature of the genocide committed in the NDH was fully known by the Vatican by early 1942. The role and complicity of the Roman Catholic Church in Croatia and Bosnia in the genocide was also fully known. And yet Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, did absolutely nothing. In fact, “Pacelli was never anything but benevolent to the leaders and representatives of the Pavelic regime.” As late as 1943, he expressed to Lobkowicz “his pleasure at the personal letter he had received from our Poglavnik.” And Ante Pavelic was Pacelli’s Poglavnik or Fuehrer in the NDH. Pacelli was not only Hitler’s Pope. He was also Pavelic’s Pope.

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Vatican legate, or personal representative from the Pope to the NDH from 1941 to 1945, Ramiro Marcone, right, with Ustasha leader Ante Pavelic, center. The Vatican Secretary to the Vatican legate is Giuseppe Masucci on left. The Vatican de facto recognized the Independent State of Croatia and established diplomatic relations.

The objectives of the Ustasha regime were known by the Italian government and by the Vatican. Cornwell described “the campaign of terror and extermination conducted by the Ustashe of Croatia against two million Serb Orthodox Christians” that occurred in the Nazi puppet state of Greater Croatia, which included Bosnia-Hercegovina, from 1941-1945:

“An act of ‘ethnic cleansing’ before that hideous term came into vogue, it was an attempt to create a ‘pure’ Catholic Croatia by enforced conversions, deportations, and mass extermination. So dreadful were the acts of torture and murder that even hardened German troops registered their horror. … Pavelic’s onslaught against the Orthodox Serbs remains one of the most appalling civilian massacres known to history.”

What knowledge did the Vatican have of these atrocities? Could it have intervened to lessen or to stop them? What actions did the Vatican take after the war?

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NDH Poglavnik Ante Pavelic, left, with the Papal Emissary Ramiro Marcone.

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What did Pope Pius know about the Ustasha? In 1939, “Pacelli had warmly endorsed Croat nationalism and confirmed the Ustashe perception of history” according to Cornwell when in November, 1939, Alojzije Stepinac came to Rome to meet with the Pope in an attempt to promote the canonization of Nicola Tavelic. Tavelic was a Croat martyr who had been killed in 1591 in Jerusalem and who was canonized by Pope VI in 1970. At that time, Pacelli reiterated a term that Pope Leo X had used to describe the Croats as “the outpost of Christianity”, meaning, the outpost of Roman Catholicism. They were seen as a spearhead and as a bulwark against not only the Serbian and Greek Orthodox, but against the Russian Orthodox as well. The Croats were the Vatican’s ramrod against the Orthodox.

Immediately after its inception, the NDH engaged in a policy of genocide. On April 25, 1941, the NDH promulgated legislation banning the Cyrillic script. By June, Serbian Orthodox primary and pre-schools were shut down. In May, anti-Jewish laws were passed defining Jews in racial terms, prohibiting the marriage of Jews and Aryans, and sending Jews to the Croat concentration camp of Danica. The Croat Roman Catholic Church immediately sought to convert the Orthodox Serbs to Roman Catholicism. Official statements from the NDH government, however, showed that the policy was to be exclusion, deportation, and extermination, genocide, rather than assimilation. Did the Vatican know of these objectives?

Cornwell wrote that the nature of the Ustasha regime was well-known to the Vatican from the beginning:

“From the outset, the public acts and statements concerning ethnic cleansing and the anti-Semitic programs were well-known to the Catholic episcopate and Catholic Action… These racist and anti-Semitic programs were therefore also known by the Holy See, and thus by Pacelli, at the point when he greeted Pavelic at the Vatican. These acts were known, moreover, at the very point when clandestine diplomatic links were being forged between Croatia and the Holy See.”

On May 18, 1941, Pavelic met Pope Pius XII at the Vatican in what Cornwell described as “a ‘devotional’ audience” with the Pope. At this meeting, the Vatican de facto recognized the so-called Independent State of Croatia, which included Bosnia-Hercegovina, even though the NDH was an occupied Nazi puppet state, or the creation of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, maintained not by popular will but by military force. Moreover, Abbot Ramiro Marcone was appointed the apostolic legate or Nuncio to Zagreb, the personal representative of the Pope to the NDH. Marcone was a priest of the Benedictine Monastery of Montevergine. He was the personal emissary or ambassador of the Pope to the NDH regime. Marcone and his Secretary, Giuseppe Masucci, would visit the NDH and be photographed with Ante Pavelic, Andrija Artukovic, Alojzije Stepinac, and German and Italian military officers. He was photographed with Pavelic in the town of Zapresic northwest of Zagreb with his secretary Giuseppe Masucci. He was also photographed with Stepinac together with Roman Catholic priests and fascist military officers who are shown giving a fascist salute.

Giuseppe Ramiro Marcone was born in 1882 in Italy. He was ordained a priest of the Order of St. Benedict in 1906. In 1918, he was appointed the Abbot of Montevergine monastery in Italy. He lectured in philosophy at the college of San Anselmo in Rome. According to Cornwell, Marcone “had clearly been selected to soothe and encourage” the Ustasha leaders by Pacelli himself. Marcone died in 1952.

At the time the Vatican de facto recognized the Ustasha NDH state, did it know of the massacres against Serbs? The atrocities were described by Carlo Falconi in his documentation of the crimes in The Silence of Pius XII (London: Faber, 1970). On April 28, 1941, Ustasha troops attacked the Bjelovar district where 250 Serbs were killed by being buried alive. In Otocac, several days later, 331 Serbs were murdered. On May 14, in Glina, hundreds of Serbs were murdered in the Orthodox Church after being forcefully converted to Roman Catholicism. There is no evidence that the Vatican or Pope Pius knew of these mass murders.

What did the Vatican know and when? The Vatican knew that Ante Pavelic was “a totalitarian dictator”, a fanatical Croat ultra-nationalist zealot and Roman Catholic who was sponsored and installed in power by Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. They knew Pavelic was a hardcore fascist who supported and endorsed Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. They knew about the anti-Serbian, anti-Jewish, and anti-Roma laws that the NDH had passed. They knew Pavelic was committed to the policy of forceful conversions of Orthodox Serbs to Roman Catholicism. Moreover, the Vatican knew that the NDH was a Nazi puppet state created by Nazi Germany that was under German military occupation and control. The NDH was not recognized by the US, Great Britain, or the Soviet Union. The NDH declared war against the Soviet Union and sent Croatian volunteers to participate in Operation Barbarossa. The NDH had even declared war on the Allies, declaring war against the US and Britain on December 12, 1941, and had sent 8,000 troops to the Russian Front, even sending troops to Stalingrad. The Allies did not recognize the NDH, an Axis belligerent or enemy state. The Vatican, however, did, even if de facto.

The genocide committed in the NDH was open and common knowledge. In The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930–1965 (Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2000), historian Michael Phayer concluded that “it is impossible to believe that Stepinac and the Vatican did not know that the Ustasha murders amounted to genocide”.

The massacres and atrocities, indeed, the planned and systematic genocide, were known to the Croatian Catholic clergy and to the episcopate. As Cornwell noted, “the clergy often took a leading part.” Not only did the Croatian Church and clergy know, they were at the forefront of the genocide. The Croatian Roman Catholic priests organized and led the mass murders. As Cornwell noted, priests were in many instances the instigators and leaders of the genocide: “Priests, invariably Franciscans, took a leading part in the massacres. … Individual Franciscans killed, set fire to homes, sacked villages, and laid waste the Bosnian countryside at the head of Ustashe bands.” He cited an Italian reporter who described an attack in September, 1941 south of Banja Luka in northern Bosnia. A Franciscan priest was exhorting Ustashe troops with a crucifix. It was the intervention of Italian troops that prevented a larger bloodbath. The Italian Army provided protection to Serbs, Jews, and Roma, saving thousands of lives.

The Vatican could plead ignorance with what was occurring in Poland and elsewhere in Europe, but not in Croatia. According to Cornwell, Pacelli was “better informed of the situation in Croatia” than he was of anywhere else in Europe other than Italy. His legate Marcone made repeated visits to Croatia and brought back eyewitness accounts. Croatian bishops, some of who sat in the Ustasha parliament, communicated with the Pope and the Vatican on a regular basis. Pacelli also had access to the BBC, which was monitored and translated for the Vatican by Francis Osborne, the British minister to the Vatican. The BBC broadcast news reports on the atrocities in Croatia which no one could miss. On February 16, 1942, the BBC broadcast the following report attacking Zagreb archbishop Stepinac for his complicity in the mass murders:

“The worst atrocities are being committed in the environs of the archbishop of Zagreb. The blood of brothers is flowing in streams. The Orthodox are being forcibly converted to Catholicism and we do not hear the archbishop’s voice preaching revolt. Instead it is reported that he is taking part in Nazi and Fascist parades.”

How was it possible for the Vatican not to know of these mass murders and forceful conversions when the Roman Catholic Church was hierarchical in organization? As Cornwell asked: “How was it that despite the strictly authoritarian power relationship between the papacy and the local Church—a power relationship that Pacelli had done so much to establish—no attempt was made from the Vatican center to halt the killings, the forced conversions, the appropriation of Orthodox property?” Why didn’t Pacelli “dissociate” the Vatican from the Ustasha genocidal policies? Why didn’t Pacelli “condemn the perpetrators”, attacking the genocide? If the Vatican took a more forceful stance, could lives have been saved? The answer to this question can be found in the actions of the Vatican, before, during, and after the Roman Catholic-sponsored genocide in the NDH. What is most revealing is the position of the Church after the war, when the full extent of the genocide was fully known.

What was the extent of the genocide in the NDH? Cornwell remarked: “The tally almost defies belief.” He offers these numbers from The Final Solution: Origins and Implementation, edited by David Cesarini (London: Routledge, 1996): 487,000 Orthodox Serbs and 27,000 Gypsies were murdered between 1941 and 1945 in the NDH. Out of a population of 45,000 Jews, approximately 30,000 were murdered during the same period. 20,000-25,000 were murdered in the Croatian death camps, such as Jasenovac and Nova Gradiska, while 7,000 were sent to the gas chambers. Even if we assume these figures are inflated and subject to debate, the extent of the genocide was not minimal or insignificant. This was a genocide.

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Vatican Nuncio or legate Ramiro Marcone, center, with Poglavnik Ante Pavelic, right, and Vatican Secretary to the Nuncio Giuseppe Masucci.

Operation Barbarossa and the Tisserant Plan

The Vatican regarded the Soviet Union and the spread of Communism as their greatest threats. The Balkans were seen as a buffer between the Vatican and Soviet Russia, Eastern Orthodox Russia. As Cornwell noted, Benito Mussolini’s invasion and occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia was supported. The Italian war against Greece was seen with “a measure of optimism” by the Vatican. Benito Mussolini had provided bases and training camps to Ante Pavelic before the war. Croat and Bosnian Muslim troops from the NDH would join Italian and German troops on the Eastern Front, in the Soviet Union.

The Vatican saw the conquest and destruction of Yugoslavia and Russia by Nazi Germany and fascist Italy as opportunities for the expansion of Roman Catholicism into the East. Eugene Tisserant was appointed in 1936 the Vatican Secretary of the Congregation for the Eastern Churches, holding the post until 1959. He was a French priest who held several prominent high level positions at the Vatican. He was infamous for the so-called Tisserant Plan which was a plan to convert Eastern Orthodox to Roman Catholicism.
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The decisive battle of World War II: Russian Red Army troops with T-34 tanks attack German positions at Kursk, 1943.

The Tisserant Plan was documented by Reinhard Heydrich, head of the RSHA, in his report “New Tactics in Vatican Russia Work”. For the Vatican, the destruction and dismemberment of Yugoslavia was an opportunity to expand Roman Catholicism in the Balkans and Eastern Europe. The weakening, and even outright destruction, of the rival Orthodox Church was planned and expected. The Vatican had its sights on Russia and Eastern Europe as well. In The Entity: Five Centuries of Secret Vatican Espionage (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 2008) by Eric Frattini, translated by Dick Cluster, the Tisserant Plan is analyzed. Tisserant and Father Robert Leiber devised the plan to use the German conquest and occupation of the Soviet Union to expand Roman Catholic influence. Testifying at the Nuremberg Trials on October 12, 1945, Franz von Papen stated: “The reevangelization of the Soviet union was a Vatican operation, whether carried out through its missionary department or its secret service.” In the Soviet Union, the plan was led by Niccolo Estorzi and Holy Alliance agents. Heydrich wrote in his report: “The pope’s agents are taking advantage of the situation, and this must be stopped.” Vatican agents were infiltrating Nazi-occupied areas of Russia to convert them to Catholicism.

The decisive battle of World War II was on the Eastern Front in 1943 at Kursk. This battle broke the back of the German Army and forced it into a strategic retreat for the remainder of the war. Germany would lose the war. What the Vatican did was to prepare for the military defeat of Germany. The Vatican began to disassociate itself from the more extreme elements of fascism. It was at this time that Krunoslav Draganovic settled at the Vatican, leaving his position in the NDH regime, and preparing the way for the escape of the leaders of the NDH regime and the plundered property and assets they had seized from murdered Serbs, Jews, and Roma. Investigators after the war determined that $80 million was smuggled out of the NDH. The Vatican provided help in storing the proceeds and in allowing it to be laundered.

American Knowledge

When did the US government learn of the massacres and systematic genocide in the NDH? The US knew of the mass murders and genocide in the NDH in 1941. Yugoslav ambassador to the US Konstantin Fotich met with FDR on December 20, 1941 and informed him of the massacres in the NDH. Fotich had sent a memorandum to FDR on December 5 which described the massacres with a request that he be allowed to present further documentation and support. According to Fotich, on August 19, 1941, the chief of the Balkans desk of the US State Department had given him a report on the NDH’s “comprehensive policy of extermination of the Serbian race in the Independent State of Croatia”. FDR was “deeply shocked by the atrocities perpetrated against the Serbs”. He expressed to Fotich “his great sympathy” for the Serbs. FDR “spoke with admiration of the resistance” He told him after the war “the Serbs will rise again as a great people.”

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From left, Andrija Artukovic, the Interior Minister of the NDH, Vatican Legate Ramiro Marcone, and Zagreb Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac, at an Ustasha ceremony.
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Eleanor Roosevelt had also learned of the mass murders and atrocities in the NDH in 1941-42. The author Avro Manhattan met Eleanor Roosevelt at a private dinner party in Upper Brook Street, Mayfair, London in the late 1940s. At the time he was researching and writing his book on the Ustasha massacres in the NDH. In 1953, he published Terror Over Yugoslavia: The Threat to Europe, (London, UK: C.A. Watts, 1953). In 1986, he published The Vatican’s Holocaust: The sensational account of the most horrifying religious massacre of the 20th century (Springfield, MO: Ozark Books, 1986).

He asked her if she had ever heard of the massacres and atrocities in the NDH. She replied: “One of the worst, if not the worst, crimes of the war. I heard of them in the winter of 1941-2. Neither I nor my husband [FDR] at first believed them to be true.”

“I did not believe them either,” Manhattan told her. “I assumed them to be propaganda.”

“We thought the same,” replied Mrs. Roosevelt. “The Catholic lobby was the most successful at the White House for years.”

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He asked her if she was familiar with Slovenian Roman Catholic author Louis Adamic. She replied that she was. Adamic had been one of the many who had persuaded her husband that the atrocity stories from Croatia had been concocted by the Nazi propaganda machine.

He inquired if she could explain why the Catholic atrocities were not as well known as the Nazi ones?

“Nazi Germany is no more,” replied Mrs. Roosevelt. “The Catholic Church is still here with us. More powerful than ever. With her own Press and the World Press at her bidding. Anything published about the atrocities in the future will not be believed. . .”

Manhattan then informed her that he was writing a book on the Vatican role in the atrocities in the NDH.

“Your book might convince a few,” she commented. “But what about the hundreds of millions already brainwashed by Catholic propaganda?”
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Manhattan recalled: “A few years later, in 1953, when the book was eventually published, although two editions were sold within weeks, no part of the British or American Press dared even to mention it.” Adamic wrote that “the atrocities were all propaganda … to stir up anti-Catholicism…”

FDR knew of the genocide in Croatia and Bosnia and was appalled to the point that he did not think it possible for Serbs and Croats to live in the same country. In Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate Biography (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1948, p. 711) by Robert E. Sherwood, Harry L. Hopkins, one of FDR’s closest advisers, took notes on the meeting held on March 15, 1943 between FDR and Anthony Eden, the British Foreign Secretary. They discussed the post-war European landscape. Regarding Serbia, FDR was adamant that Serbs and Croats should not be in the same country:

“The President expressed his oft repeated opinion that the Croats and Serbs had nothing in common and that it is ridiculous to try to force two such antagonistic peoples to live together under one government. He, the President, thought that Serbia, itself, should be established by itself and the Croats put under a trusteeship. At this point Eden indicated his first obvious objection to the Trustee method which the President is going to propose for many states. Eden did not push it but it was clear to me that the British Government have made up their minds that they are going to oppose this. Eden thought the President’s opinion about the inability of the Croats and the Serbs to live together a little pessimistic and he, Eden, believed it could be done.”

Vatican Reaction

How did the Vatican react to the genocide committed in the NDH? Not only did the Vatican deny and ignore it, but took an active part to hide and suppress it and to protect the perpetrators from prosecution and justice. After the war, the major planners of the genocide, Ante Pavelic and Andrija Artukovic, were helped to escape by the Vatican through the Ratlines. Dinko Sakic and Vjekoslav Maks Luburic also escaped. A Croatian Roman Catholic priest, Krunoslav Draganovic, who himself had been a part of the Ustasha NDH regime, organized and masterminded the escapes. In addition, he was able to launder the assets that were seized from Serbs, Jews, and Roma in the NDH. The Vatican has never acknowledged its role in the genocide committed in the NDH. This is genocide denial. It is denial of the Holocaust.

The Vatican protected the accused Ustasha war criminals and assisted them in escaping prosecution for war crimes. In Pius XII, The Holocaust, and the Cold War (Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2008), Phayer showed that the Vatican put diplomatic pressure on the US and the UK not to apprehend Ante Pavelic or any other wanted Ustasha war criminals. US intelligence had located Pavelic but was prevented from arresting him. Why would the US not arrest arguably one of the most notorious mass murderers of World War II? Why would the US help to shield an accused war criminal suspected of committing genocide? Why and how could such a fanatical fascist accused of genocide escape arrest and prosecution? Why was Ante Pavelic allowed to escape to Argentina by the US government?

The answer is that the Vatican orchestrated his escape. Why? Phayer quoted US Counter Intelligence Corps agent William Gowen (the son of Franklin Gowen, a US diplomat in the Vatican), who reported in 1947 that Pavelic’s “contacts are so high and his present position is so compromising to the Vatican, that any extradition of the subject would be a staggering blow to the Roman Catholic Church”. Pavelic and the other Ustasha war criminals guilty of genocide were allowed to escape to protect the Vatican.

Both Britain and the US could have arrested Pavelic and the other Ustasha war crime suspects but chose not to, enabling them to escape and to elude prosecution for war crimes and for genocide. In Hunting Evil: The Nazi War Criminals Who Escaped and the Quest to Bring Them to Justice (New York: Broadway Books, a division of Random House, 2009), Guy Walters documented a US CIC report that stated that the British had allowed Ante Pavelic to escape. In October, 1946, a CIC report stated that “there can no longer be any doubt that the British aided the escape of Dr. Ante Pavelich.” The US also knew of Pavelic’s location but refused to arrest him. Walters showed that the US knew where Pavelic’s daughter lived as she reported regularly to US occupation authorities. According to Walters, the British reported that: “It’s no use trying to get Pavelic, the Yanks are backing him.” In August, 1947, US CIC agent William Gowen reported that Pavelic was “receiving the protection of the Vatican.” Why were Britain, the US, and the Vatican all helping Pavelic to elude capture? Gowen wrote that the Vatican opposed the extradition of Pavelic because his capture would only “weaken the forces fighting against atheism and Communism in its fight against the Church.” In other words, the Serbs would only benefit. The Orthodox would benefit. The Russians would benefit. And ultimately Communism and the USSR would be the beneficiaries. It was a zero sum game.

Cui bono? Who benefits? Who would gain if Pavelic was arrested and prosecuted for war crimes and genocide? Certainly not the Vatican. Only the Orthodox would benefit. Only the Serbs would benefit. Only Communism would benefit. Only the USSR would benefit. This is how the Vatican sold the idea to the US government. Arresting Pavelic would be detrimental in the Cold War against the USSR. This had much wider political implications. If the Vatican were discredited, the Communist Party in Italy would benefit, which might allow it to win the elections. The US supported democracy in Italy only if a non-Communist party won the elections. Because the Italian Communist Party was poised for victory in Italy, the US did everything it could to rig the elections, to deny democracy.

Moreover, this had the potential to set off a chain reaction for other parts of Western Europe. More importantly, it would reveal the true core of Roman Catholicism to the mass public. People would see that the Vatican was corrupt and hollow at its center, obsessed with power at any price, even genocide. It would show the moral bankruptcy of the Vatican, or the Roman Catholic Church. And this could not be allowed to happen. Especially not during the ideological conflict of the Cold War, which was ultimately a contest for the hearts and minds of the people.

The Vatican could never acknowledge that it was complicit in genocide, even though the evidence is abundantly clear that it was. The largest religious denomination in the US is Roman Catholicism at 23% of the population. There are over a billion Roman Catholics globally. The decision was an easy one for the US. As a result, Pavelic was allowed to settle in Argentina and live a comfortable life there, while Artukovic was allowed to settle in the US itself, living in Seal Beach, California as a model American citizen.

The Vatican continues to suppress information on its role in the NDH. John Cornwell noted that “more than half a century after the war, the Vatican has still failed to make a clean breast of what it knew about the Croatian atrocities and the early stages of the Final Solution, and when it knew it.”
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Vatican Legate Ramiro Marcone, third from right, Alojzije Stepinac, first on right, and Ante Pavelic, partially obscured, far left, at the 1944 funeral for Marko Dosen, the President of the Ustasha Parliament.



THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 02, 2012

What Part Of The Word Genocide Do You Not Understand?

The Ustasha and Vatican's Silence - Part 1
At the suggestion of Jonathan, follows below my translation of part of Chapter 5 on the Ustasha, from the book Non Authorized Biography of the Vatican. This text was originally translated into Portuguese here. The book was originally written in Spanish.

The Ustasha and Vatican's Silence - Part 1
The crimes of the Croatian Ustashis (NDH).
ANOTHER HOLOCAUST
THE VATICAN AND THE CROATIA'S GENOCIDE
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Pavelic and the Catholic Archbishop of Zagreb, Aloysius Stepinac. (Photo)

The most people ignore that during the Second World War was produced another genocide, whose brutality topped with an increase that seen in the Nazi concentration camps. The murder of a half million Serbs in Croatia has passed to the annals of the most infamous crimes against humanity. The Catholic Church's role in this tragedy wasn't at all minor.

When Adolf Hitler attacked the Yugoslavia on 6 April, 1941, it was immediately clear the Wehrmacht had the support of traitor groups within the Yugoslavian state. The country's army was against the wall, surmounted by the huge German war machine and stabbed in the back by terrorists pro-Nazi members of the Ustasha Party, a dangerous Croatian far-right organization. Even the commands of some units with Croatian majority were in talks to Nazis, opening the doors of the country to them.[01]

The independent State of Croatia was declared on April 10, 1941, in the same day that the German 14th Panzer Division entered Zagreb and was received with enthusiasm by the population. The invasion of Yugoslavia by the troops of Hitler assumed the division of the country into two independent nations. The Catholic Croatia actually saw the reality in his dream of being independent from the Orthodox Serbia. In terms of its organization and ideology, the new Croatian state was a totalitarian nation founded on the principle of a Führer who, since that would keep their subordination to Germany, he could make any of his whims.

The warlord who took the reins of the country was Ante Pavelic, head of the Ustasha. Pavelic and his followers were exiled in Italy under the protection of Mussolini, as they were wanted by the governments of France and Yugoslavia accused of plotting the murders of King Alexander of Yugoslavia and the French Prime Minister Louis Barthou. Pavelic established in Croatia, with the help of their sponsors Nazis, the NDH "Nezavisna države Hrvatska" (Independent State of Croatia). On April 14, the first bishop of Croatia, Alojzije Stepinac, met with Pavelic to convey to him their congratulations in the sane time when all the bells tolled the country to celebrate this victory. In addition, Stepinac received the appointment of Supreme Military Apostolic Vicar of the Ustashi Army. The Catholic press was a sea of ​​flattery with the dictator.
God, who controls the destiny of the nations and directs the hearts of the kings, has given us Ante Pavelic and promoted as the leader of a friendly and allied people, Adolf Hitler, to use his victorious troops to disperse our oppressors and enable us to create the State independent Croatia. Glory to God, our gratitude to Adolf Hitler, and infinite loyalty to the boss Ante Pavelic.[02]
This outpouring is not surprising if we consider that an investigation committee's Yugoslavian war crimes established that Archbishop Stepinac had been a major player in the conspiracy that led to the conquest of Yugoslavia. Ultimately, the Catholic Church took centuries dreaming about the idea of ​​a Catholic kingdom in the Balkans, something that finally happened when Pavelic and Hitler have risen Tomislav II to the throne, whose function was purely decorative. The identity of the state was based more on religius affiliation than ethnicity. The Chatholic fanaticism of the Ustasha was determined to turn Croatia into a Catholic country through a combination of forced religious conversion, expulsion and extermination.

HERO PAVELIC

The clergy supported the regime with a fanatical enthusiasm. Most Catholics shared the ideological goals of the Ustasha and received with pleasure the end of religious tolerance imposed to the former Yugoslavia. The Pope himself received Pavelic in audience and blessed the Ustasha entire delegation that moved to Rome, including the representation of the Brotherhood Crusade, in charge of converting Serbs to Roman Catholicism through tactics which, as we shall see, were not exactly evangelizing.[03]

During his four years of existence as an independent state (1941-1945), in Croatia were executed more than 750,000 Serbs, Jews and Gypsies.[04] From 80,000 Jews of Yugoslavia, 60,000 were killed, most of them in Croatia. Most of these killings were committed by the Ustasha. Croatia was the only country, along with Germany, which operated the concentration camps on a large scale in World War II.

Unlike the Nazis, who devised a discreet system of industrial extermination, the genocide in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina was characterized by performing ritual murders in public places, perpetrated with sadistic and unbridled enthusiasm. The Austrian historian Freidrich Heer commented in 1968 that what happened in Croatia was the result of "fanaticism of ancient prehistoric times." According to this expert, Pavelic was "one of the biggest killers of the twentieth century." This is no obstacle to that, curiously, Pavelic to be seen as a hero in modern Croatia.

The Croatian "hero" used to refer to Serbs as follows, "The Slavic Serbs are a waste of a nation, the kind of people who sell to anyone for any price ...". Much of this was spurred lively version of pulpits. Archbishop Stepinac himself said:
Croats and Serbs belong to two different worlds, north pole and south pole, they never get along except for a miracle from God. The schism of the Orthodox Church is the greatest curse of Europe, almost more than Protestantism. Here there are no morals, no principles, no truth, no justice, no honesty.[05]
On June 12, 1941, all Jews and Serbs in Croatia met with the fact that their freedom of movement was restricted. The Justice Minister Milovan Zanitch had no objection to declare the meaning of these measures:
This state, our country, is only for the Croats and to nobody else. There will be no ways or measures that Croatians don't use for our country to be really ours, clearing it of all Orthodox Serbs. All those who arrived in our country for three hundred years ago should disappear. We don't hide our intentions. It's the policy of our state and for its promotion the only thing we will follow faithfully are the Ustasha principles.[06]

ETHNIC CLEANSING

By then, the killings had already begun. Mile Budak, Minister of Education of the Croatian government declared in Gospic on July 22, 1941:

The bases of the Ustasha movement is religion. For minorities such as Serbs, Jews and Gypsies we have three million bullets. We'll kill a third of the Serbian population, deport another third, and the rest of them will be converted to the Catholic faith, and this way, to be treated as Croats. So wel'ss destroy their last track, and all what's left will be fateful memory of them ...[07]

The campaign of ethnic cleansing had started almost immediately. Much of the legislation and administrative structure of the new state was adapted to make it fit as much as possible to canon law.

Stepinac saw with particular pleasure the law that decreed the death penalty for abortion and the law that imposed thirty days in prison for insulting.[08] The political opposition was swept from public life. Forbade the publication of texts in Cyrillic, the alphabet used by Serbs. Likewise, it began a campaign of "Aryanization" dismissing mixed marriages between Catholic Croats and members of other ethnic groups. At the entrance of the park settled posters with slogans: "No entry of Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and dogs".[09] The Croatian Church received these measures with a barely concealed enthusiasm that was shown, for instance, in the words of Mate Mogus priest of Udbina:
"So far we have worked for the Catholic faith with the prayer book and cross. Now it's time to work with the rifle and the gun".[10]
Meanwhile, the infamous concentration camp of Danica began receiving its first victims: "in the beginning only Jews, and soon all those classified as "undesirable", ie, non-Catholics, who accounted for more than 60 percent of the population.

The atrocities that were committed in concentration camps in Croatia have no comparison, and in some cases exceed those of the Nazis. Djordan Diedlender, guard of the camp of Stara Gradiska, gave this jarring testimony during the trial against the camp commander, Ante Vrban:
At that time, arrived daily new women and children to the camp of Stara Gradiska. Ante Vrban ordered that all children were separated from their mothers and taken to a dwelling. He told to ten of us that we took up them wrapped in blankets. The kids were screaming all over the house and one of them put an arm and a leg in the door so it can't be closed. Vrban shouted: "Push her!" and I didn't it, and so he took a hit with the door shattering the leg of the child, then took him and threw the other leg against the wall untill kill her. After this, the children continued getting there. When the house was filled, Vrban used poison gas and killed them all.[12]

PLEASURE TO KILL

The ferocity of the Ustasha alarmed even the Nazis themselves, who feared that a brutal repression against such a large population having culminated in an armed uprising. On February 17, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich, one of the greatest architects of the Final Solution (the plan of senior hierarchs of the Third Reich to exterminate the Jews) and, as such, not characterized by his piety, expressed his concern to Reichführer SS, Heinrich Himmler:
The number of Slavs massacred by the Croats of the most sadistic forms is estimated at 300,000 [...]. The reality is that in Croatia the Serbs who remain alive are those who converted to Catholicism, for which is allowed to live unmolested [...]. Because of this, it is clear that the Serbo-Croatian stress is a struggle between the Catholic and Orthodox Church.
Faced with the cold efficiency of the Nazi genocide that had been converted into a sinister kind of mass production, the Ustasha did the death of their victims something personal, pleasuring himself in his public torture and humiliation. This is why it retains a large number of photographic testimony of such atrocities.It's mostly snapshots that were taken as "souvenir" by their executioners. In them you can see barbarities hardly conceivable by a sensible mind: from torture sessions animated by an aroused public, until heads stuck on pikes in processions through the streets of Zagreb.[13] Pavelic himself showed itself perversely pleasurable to please diplomats visited him with baskets full of human eyes.[14]

Even the hardened Italian fascists who controlled a portion of Croatia during the war were horrified by the Ustasha, and managed to rescue a large number of Orthodox serbs and Jews, refusing to return them to a certain death all refugees who arrived in their area of ​​control. Archbishop Stepinac complained about this attitude of the Italians to the bishop of Mostar,
the Italians came back and imposed again their civil and military authority. The schismatic churches revived immediately after their return and the Orthodox priests, yet concealed, reappeared with freedom. The Italians seemed to favor the Serbs and hurt the Catholics, [15]
as it was stated for the Minister of Italian affairs in Zagreb:
It happens that in the Croatian territories annexed by Italy it can be seen a steady decline of religious life and a clear turn from Catholicism to schism. If the most Catholic part of Croatia no longer be in the future, the guilt and responsibility before God and history will be the Catholic Italy. The religious aspect of this issue turns on my obligation to speak in simple and open terms from the moment that I am responsible for the religious well-being of Croatia.[16]

Photo: Ustashi soldiers (Croatian fascists) kill a victim with a dagger and a bayonet. Yugoslavia, between 1941 and 1944. — Jewish Historical Museum of Yugoslavia

Source: Biografía no autorizada del Vaticano(Non Authorized Biography of the Vatican); Chapter 5; Author: Camacho, Santiago

Notes

[01]. Keegan, John, The Second Worid War, Penguin Books, New York, 1990.

[02]. Manhattan, Avro, Catholic Imperialism and Worid Freedom, op. cit.

[03]. Bulajic, Milán, The Role of the Vatican in the Break-Up of the Yugoslav State: The Mission of the Vatican in the Independen! State of Croatia: Ustashi Crimes of Genocide (Documents, facts). Ministry of Information of the Republic of Serbia, Belgrade, 1993.

[04]. Bulajic, Milán, Never again: Ustashi Genocide in the independent State of Croatia (NDH) from 1941-1945, Ministry of Information of the Republic of Serbia, Belgrade, 1992.

[05]. Dedijer, Vladimir, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican: The Croatian Massacre ofthe Serbs during Worid War II, Prometheus Books, New York, 1992. The authenticity of the quote from the Archbishop is unappealable, since the book in question who shows the handwriting of his own hand.

[06]. Manhattan, Avro, The Vatican Holocaust, Ozark Books, Springfield, 1988.

[07]. Dedijer, Vladimir, op. Cit.

[08]. Alexander, Stella, The Triple Myth. A Ufe of Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac, East European Monographs, New York, 1987.

[09]. Crowe, David M., A History of Gypsies of Eastern Europe ana Russia, St. Martin's Griffin, New York, 1994.

[10]. Dedijer, Vladimir, op. cit.

[11]. Cornweil, John, op. cit.

[12]. Memorandum of genocide crimes committed against the Serbian people by the independent government of Croatia during World War II. October 1950. Sent to the President of the Fifth General Assembly of the United Nations by Adam Pribicivic, president of the Independent Democratic Party of Yugoslavia, Vladimir Bilayco, former magistrate of the Supreme Court of Yugoslavia, and Branko Miljus, former minister of Yugoslavia.

[13]. Anderson, Scott and Anderson, Jon Lee, The League, Dodd, Mead & Company, New York, 1986.

[14]. Black, Edwin, IBM and the Holocaust, Crown Books, Washington, D.C., 2001.

[15]. Dedijer, Vladimir, op. cit.

[16]. Falconi, Cario, U silenzio di Pió XII, Sugar, Milán, 1965.



TUESDAY, MARCH 13, 2012

The Ustasha and Vatican's Silence - Part 2
Read the Part 1. This text was originally translated into Portuguese here. The book was originally written in Spanish.

The Ustasha and Vatican's Silence - Part 2
The crimes of the Croatian Ustashis (NDH)

KILLER FRIARS
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Genocide: Ustasha soldiers pose beside five dead Serbs. (Photo)

The most scandalous of this sordid issue is that not only few priests, and particularly Franciscan friars, were in charge of the death camps.

With few exceptions, the phenomenon described here was characteristic of the Ustasha massacres. The difference of the exterminations in other countries during the Second World War it was almost impossible to imagine a punitive Ustashi expedition without the presence of a priest in charge, usually a Franciscan. [17]

The better-known of these was the Franciscan friar Miroslav Filipovic, who headed the Jasenovac camp where he gave a terrible death to thousands. Another Franciscan from that camp, Pero Brzica, it boasts a record even more macabre.

Before the arrival of new prisoners, it was evident the necessity of killing the existing ones to give vagues for newcomers. The people of the camp showed themselves excited with this perspective:
The Franciscan Pero Brzica, Ante Zrinusic, Sipka and I bet to see who would kill more prisoners in only one night. The killings began and after one hour I killed many more people than them. I felt like I was in heaven. I had never felt such ecstasy in my life. After a couple of hours I had got to kill 1,100 people, while others could only kill between 300 and 400 each. And then, when I was experiencing my greatest pleasure, I saw an old peasant stood calmly looking at me while I was killing my victims and they died with the greatest suffering.

That look strucks me, I immediately froze and for a time I couldn't move. Then I approached him and I discovered he was from the village of Klepci, near to Capijina, and his family had been murdered, being sent to Jasenovac after having worked in the forest. He spoke to me with an incomprehensible peace which affected me more than the piercing screams that followed around me. Immediately I felt the need to destroy his peace through torture and thus, through his suffering, I can restore my state of ecstasy to continue with the pleasure of inflicting pain.

I pointed to him and I made ​​him to sit with me in a trunk. I ordered him to shout: "Viva Poglavnik Pavelic!", or I'll cut your ear. Vukasin didn't speak. I tore off his ear. He said nothing. I told him again to shout: "Long live Pavelic!" or I'd tear out the other ear. And so I pulled it out. Scream: "Long live Pavelic!", or I'd cut his nose, and when I commanded for the fourth time that he shouts "Long live Pavelic!" and I threatened to rip his heart out with my knive, he looked at me and with his pain and agony said to me:

"Go ahead, wight!". These words confused me, froze me, and I tore his eyes, so the heart, I cut her throat from the ear to ear and then I threw them into the well. But something happened inside of me and I could no longer to kill throughout that night.

The Franciscan Pero Brzica won the bet, he had killed 1,350 prisoners. I paid it without saying a word. [18]
For this feat the Franciscan received the title of "King of cutting throats" and a watch from another one, possibly stolen from a prisoner before executing him.

CONVERSION OR DIE

The barbarism, far from decreasing, increased and reached a point where even the formality of the extermination camps was deemed necessary. Entire villages were raided and their inhabitants killed by knifes when not killed with hammers and axes, hanged or even crucified. The Serbs suffered the most atrocious tortures, with particular fury against the Orthodox priests, many of whom were burned, skinned and quartered alive:

The mass executions were common, the victims were beheaded and sometimes shattered. In many occasions it was common to see pieces of meat hanging in slaughterhouses with a sign that read "human flesh". The crimes of the Germans in death camps seemed small compared to the atrocities committed by Croatian Catholics. The Ustasha would love games of torture that were converted into nocturnal orgies, which included spike nails in the flesh of the fingernails, to put salt on open wounds, to cut all conceivable human parts from a body and to compete for the title of who was the best cutthroat of victims. They burned Orthodox churches full of people, impaled children in Vlasenika and Kladany, thay cut noses, ears and and gouged their eyes. The Italians photographed a ustashi who had two streams of tongues and eyes around the neck. [19]

All Orthodox Church properties were looted and confiscated. The most part of this loot was transferred to the Croatian Catholic Church, which followed delighted with the regime. The Archbishop of Sarajevo, Saric, went so far when he published a poem praising the leader of the Ustasha:
Against the greedy Jews with all their money, those who wanted to sell our souls, betraying our names, these bastards.

You are the stone on which is built up our homeland and freedom. Protect our lives from the Marxist and Bolshevik hell.
Another looting, in this case a spiritual and economical one at the same time, that the Catholic Church received was the forced conversion of thousands of Serbs, which with the tip of a knife were forced to renounce their religion. These mass conversions were classified as major triumph for Catholicism by the ecclesiastical hierarchy. [20] Why did this plundering of souls was also economical? Because, to add iniquity to infamy, these conversions took place under prior payment of 180 dinars to the Church by the converted people.

Moreover, those who knew to write should send a letter of thanks to Archbishop Stepinac, who promptly informed the Pope about the proper conduct of the conversions. In any case, the only ones who had the option of saving their life by converting were the poor peasants were and uneducated people from rural areas. All Serbian educated, to able to talk or communicate something wrong to a Serbian national identity was murdered with no possibility of salvation.

APOSTOLIC VISITOR

On May 14, 1941, Serbs from the town of Glina were concentrated in a hall by a Ustasha bunch led by the abbot of the monastery of Gunic. In the sequel, it was ordered to them to show their certificate of conversion. Only two of them had the document. The rest of them were beheaded while the abbot prayed for their souls.

Between the sale of certificates of conversion and the looting of the treasures stored in the Orthodox churches, it's not an exaggeration to say that if someone has obtained economic benefit of the genocide committed by the Croats was precisely the Catholic Church. In contrast, throughout the whole war, the Catholic Church officially supported the regime, despite its excesses and follies are public knowledge.

The Vatican couldn't claim ignorance of these serious events. On March 17, 1942, the World Jewish Congress sent a assistance note to the Holy See, a copy of which is still preserved in Jerusalem:
Several thousands of families were deported to deserted islands on the Dalmatian Coast or interned in concentration camps [...]. All Jewish men were sent to labor camps where were given drainage works or sanitation to them during which perished in large numbers [...]. At the same time, their wives and children were moved to other camps where also had to face severe hardships.
Monsignor Giuseppe Ramiro Marcone, a Benedictine of the Congregation of Monte Vergine and a member of the Romanian Academy of St. Thomas Aquinas, was the personal representative of Pope in the Episcopate of Croatia, and he kept track of everything that happened there the Holy Father. The Vatican proponents claim that Marcone was a mere "apostolic visitor". However, for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Zagreb, the priest Marcone had status of "delegate of the Holy See," and at official ceremonies he was put forward, including representatives of the Axis, being considered the dean of the diplomatic corps. Moreover, Marcone, in his correspondence with the Ustasha government to qualify himself as Sancti seáis Legatus or Elegatus, but never as "apostolic visitor".

The media also echoed this situation. On February 16, 1942, the BBC issued the following report on Croatia:
The worst atrocities are being committed around the archbishop of Zagreb. The blood of brothers flows in the rivers. The Orthodox people are being forced by force to convert to Catholicism and we didn't hear the voice of the archbishop pronounces to the rebellion. Instead, it's reported that he's taking part in Nazi and Fascist parades.
Not even when the international press began to spread information about the atrocities committed by Catholic clergy, the Pope did something to stop the bloodthirsty Franciscans. The Croatian Catholic press itself reflected in its pages the persecution, treating it as if it were the most normal thing in the world. On May 25, 1941, in Katolicki List, the priest Franjo Kralik published an article titled "Why the Jews are being persecuted" justifying the genocide as follows:
The descendants of those who hated Jesus, who condemned him to death, who crucified him and immediately persecuted his disciples, are guilty for the excesses committed by their ancestors. Greed grows. The Jews who led the Europe and the world to disaster - moral, cultural and economic - have developed an appetite that only the whole world can quench it. Satan helped them to invent the Socialism and Communism. The love has its limits. The movement to rid the world from the Jews is a movement for the revival of human dignity. The almighty and wise God is behind this movement.

THE END OF STEPINAC

When it became clear that the course of the war would be contrary to the Axis, Stepinac held a few acts of "sudden humanitarianism", acts in which are based by Croatian revisionists for asking to the Israeli Yad Vashem, the National Authority for the Remembrance of the Martyrs and Heroes of the Holocaust, the inclusion of Stepinac in his "List of the Righteous." The petition was denied on two occasions. A representative of the institution said in regard to it that "people who occasionally helped a Jew and cooperating simultaneously with a fascist regime who was part of the Nazi extermination plan against the Jews are disqualified for the title of "Righteous"."

The contacts of the Ustasha with the Vatican aren't over with the end of World War II. On June 25, 1945, only seven weeks after the conclusion of the conflict, the Ustasha made contact with a papal mission in Saizburgo in the Austria area which was under U.S. administration. They were asking for help to the Pope for the creation of a Croatian state, or at least a Danube-Adriatic Union in which the Croats could be established. [21] The Church hid and helped Ante Pavelic to escape - overcoming the Allied authorities - fleeing to Argentina. [22] On his deathbed, and under the protection of Franco, he received the personal blessing of Pope John XXIII. John Paul II repeatedly refused to visit the concentration camps of Jasenovac on his visits to Croatia, preferring to receive the former Croatian leader and Holocaust denier Franjo Tudjman.

Finally, a factor that draws the most attention in this story is that in the end of the war, the Vatican did nothing to help Stepinac, a fact we know from a letter of Marshal Tito closed in Zagreb on October 31, 1946:
When the representative of the Pope before our Government, the Bishop Hurley, made your first visit, I explained to him the question of Stepinac. "Get him out from Yugoslavia," I said, "because otherwise they oblige to us to put him in a prison." I warned Bishop Hurley of the actions that we would follow. I discussed the matter thoroughly with him. I made him to know of the many hostile acts of Stepinac against our country. I gave him a file with all kind of documentary evidence about the archbishop crimes.
We waited for four months without any response, until the authorities arrested and brought to trial Stepinac, similar to any other individual to act against the humanity.

The archbishop remained static, despite the squalor of their adventures during the war. He was tried and sentenced to sixteen years in prison in a trial that featured testimony from dozens of witnesses who told all kinds of abuse by Catholic clergy under the eign of terror of the Ustasha. Your only defense during the trial was to say: "My conscience is clear." Only in this moment Pius XII acted, rushing to excommunicate tha participants in the trial, and finally getting his release one year later. Stepinac was elevated to the category of Blessed for the Pope John Paul II in October 1998.

Source: Biografía no autorizada del Vaticano(Non Authorized Biography of the Vatican); Chapter 5; Author: Camacho, Santiago

Notes

[17]. Ibid.

[18]. Bulajic, Milán; The Role of the Vatican in the Break-Up of the Yugoslav State: The Mission of the Vatican in the Independent State of Croatia: Ustashi Crimes of Genocide (Documents, facts), op. cit.

[19]. Deschner, Karlheinz; Mit Gott und den Faschisten: Der Vatikan im Bunde mit Mussolini, Franco, Hitler und Pavelic. Stuttgart: Günther, 1965.

[20]. Djilas, Aleksa; The Contested Country: Yugoslav Unity and Communist Revolution, 1919-1953, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, 1991.

[21]. Aarons, Mark and Loftus, John; Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, the Nazis and the Swiss Banks, St. Martin's Griffin, Nova York, 1998.

[22]. Ibid.



thank the heavens Francis was not the one giving communion it makes very thing all better now for all the victims of the catholic church....I am holding my breath for his recognition of past church atrocities
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:26 am

Providence blinked, facing the sun
Where are we left to carry on
Until the day is done



Society of Jesus......they aimed to stop Protestantism from spreading and to preserve communion


In a letter from John Adams to then President Thomas Jefferson about the Jesuits
"Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies can assume, dressed as painters, publishers, writers, and schoolmasters? If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell it is this Society of Loyola's. - George Reimer, The New Jesuits, Little, Brown, and Col. 1971, p. 14
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Postby lupercal » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:49 am

seemslikeadream wrote:In a letter from John Adams to then President Thomas Jefferson about the Jesuits
"Shall we not have regular swarms of them here . . ."


Holy shit, these guys owned slaves and didn't think twice about slaughtering indigenous peoples, remember?

So now you're endorsing America's glorious legacy of racism, genocide and discrimination because you lost an argument? Are you going to post KKK letters next?

Creepy.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:56 am

creepy is hangin' with the nazis
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seemslikeadream wrote:In a letter from John Adams to then President Thomas Jefferson about the Jesuits
"Shall we not have regular swarms of them here . . ."


Holy shit, these guys owned slaves and didn't think twice about slaughtering indigenous peoples, remember?

So now you're endorsing America's glorious legacy of racism, genocide and discrimination because you lost an argument? Are you going to post KKK letters next?

Creepy.


just who was that priest giving Holy Communion to that mass murderer, pray tell?

who sanctioned it?

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Postby lupercal » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:08 am

^ that would be you, working overtime to peddle their stupidest pack of lies ever
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:16 am

lupercal wrote:^ that would be you, working overtime to peddle their stupidest pack of lies ever


A number of Popes did issue papal bulls condemning "unjust" enslavement ("just" enslavement was still accepted), and mistreatment of Native Americans by Spanish and Portuguese colonials; however, these were largely ignored. Nonetheless, Catholic missionaries such as the Jesuits, who also owned slaves, worked to alleviate the suffering of Native American slaves in the New World. Debate about the morality of slavery continued throughout this period, with some books critical of slavery being placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Holy Office between 1573-1826.[8] Capuchin missionaries were excommunicated for calling for the emancipation of black slaves in the Americas.[9]

In spite of a stronger condemnation of unjust types of slavery by Pope Gregory XVI in his bull In Supremo Apostolatus issued in 1839, some American bishops continued to support slave-holding interests until the abolition of slavery.[10] In 1866 The Holy Office of Pope Pius IX affirmed that, subject to conditions, it was not against divine law for a slave to be sold, bought or exchanged.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C ... nd_slavery
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:29 am

‘The Magdalene Laundries’

10,000 Slaves of the Irish Catholic Church Seek Redress

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Postby lupercal » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:34 am

Wikipedia was also johnny-on-the-spot with Verbitsky's shit stains, lifted from the Guardian, since "corrected," since removed. The go-to resource for busy ratfuckers,
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:36 am

lupercal wrote:Wikipedia was also johnny-on-the-spot with Verbitsky's shit stains, lifted from the Guardian, since "corrected," since removed. The go-to resource for busy ratfuckers,



answer the question who was that priest... who sanction it?
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:42 am

"Slavery, considered as such in its essential nature, is not at all contrary to the natural and divine law. There can be several just titles of slavery and these are referred to by approved theologians and commentators of the sacred canons (of the Catholic Church). It is not contrary to the natural and divine law for a slave to be sold, bought, exchanged or given." [Instruction 20, June 1866]
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Postby lupercal » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:45 am

So you just discovered anti-Catholic propaganda? This stuff is has been lying around in big stinky piles for centuries and if you like playing in cesspools you're in for good times. Enjoy.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:46 am

"When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land."
Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Postby FourthBase » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:29 pm

lupercal wrote:So you just discovered anti-Catholic propaganda? This stuff is has been lying around in big stinky piles for centuries and if you like playing in cesspools you're in for good times. Enjoy.


I'm willing to see the great, the good, the mixed, the bad, and the ugly evil about the Catholic church. I'm not the only one so willing. Will you kindly step away from the defensive cannon on the S.S. Catholicism? Let's have it all, all the truth about the church, along the entire continuum of justness and injustice. You got a book or two that epitomizes your individual take on the church? A wikipedia entry, or several?
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Postby lupercal » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:19 pm

^ I don't know that I'm defending it, just trying to keep this tiny corner of the screen clear of the horseshit getting fire hosed every which way in this thread for example. And since you asked, sure, I'll be happy to list a few favorites . Hang on..
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