TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

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TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:09 pm

Graham Hancock

TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock
Posted by Greg at 04:34, 15 Mar 2013

Last month I posted videos of two recent thought-provoking TEDx talks by Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake. However, if you visit either of those stories today, you'll find that the videos are no longer accessible. The reason? Complaints were made to the TED organisation - for example, by atheist blogger Jerry Coyne, and of course, P.Z. Myers - about the lectures being unscientific and full of 'woo'. Under pressure from these bloggers and their readers (and others), TED set up a conversation page to get input from TED viewers about these talks.

Subsequently, TED made a final decision to pull the videos from their YouTube channel. This provoked a storm of anger towards TED on social networks about censorship, and perhaps because of this the videos have now turned up in their own special blog post on the TED site where they can be viewed (though they can no longer be externally embedded on other websites). Responding to the criticism, TED staff claimed "We’re not censoring the talks. Instead we’re placing them here, where they can be framed to highlight both their provocative ideas and the factual problems with their arguments."

Now firstly, I want to say that I think censorship is a slightly extreme description of what has happened. TED are a brand, and though I haven't seen a TED contract I'd imagine they are not compelled to post video of every talk that is hosted under their banner. If they don't like a talk, they have the right to remove it. What others think of them doing so is another matter – it's certainly not far from 'censorship', at least of certain ideas, in my book (as one commenter quipped on the TED website, "You’re correct, it isn’t censorship. It’s just cowardly and patronising"). But I think they *have* created a real issue now, by reposting the videos within a blog post that frames them with introductions saying they contain "serious factual errors", and I'd like to quickly go over some of these points to clarify why I think this is a problem. I'm going to concentrate on Graham Hancock's talk, because I don't have the free time at the moment to go over both talks point by point.

I have watched Graham Hancock's talk a number of times, breaking down the points, and I simply cannot find the "serious factual errors" in it that TED claims as the reason for taking it down (I've embedded a re-uploaded copy of his talk above - not sure whether TED will have this taken down at some stage though). The TED blog that frames Graham Hancock's talk puts forward these complaints about his talk as reasons for the video being pulled:

"He misrepresents what scientists actually think. He suggests, for example, that no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness."

"Hancock makes statements about psychotropic drugs that seem both nonscientific and reckless."

"He states as fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an "emergence into consciousness"

"[He states] that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture."

"He seems to offer a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs), it's no surprise his work has often been characterised as pseudo-archaeology."

These are amazing statements from the TED staff, because I can find absolutely no evidence in Graham's talk for any of these accusations. Go ahead and watch the talk over, looking for these supposed statements or claims in it. So misleading are they, that I can only assume they haven't even watched the talk and are simply repeating accusations from some of the emails sent to them by the obnoxious, whining bloggers involved. Let me be clear by saying it again: the accusations against Graham Hancock which have been given for the pulling of his talk are completely without basis. The TED staff should be questioned on these claims (and as a consequence, the pulling of the video altogether) and be held to account by posting supportive evidence for them, or simply remove them (and perhaps reinstate the videos).

Graham is actually very careful to frame any speculation - moreso than many other TED talks I've watched, ironically. For instance, when discussing the 'encounters' had under the influence of ayahuasca, he is clear in saying that he is "making no claim one way or another as to the reality status of these entities we encounter, simply that phenomenologically, in the ayahuasca experience they are encountered by people all over the world." When introducing the possibility that human culture was born from experimentation with psychedelics, he explicitly says that it is exactly that – a possibility...in fact he even calls it a "radical" possibility – and what's more is clear in saying that these are suggestions by other researchers: "Over the last 30 years, researchers led by Prof. David Lewis-Williams…and many others, have suggested an intriguing and radical possibility. Which is that this emergence into consciousness was triggered by our ancestors' encounters with visionary plants, and the beginnings of shamanism." In discussing the idea that shamanic plants might be useful in bringing about change in the world, he remains objective by saying that "rightly or wrongly, [shamans] believe that ayahuasca is the remedy for that sickness". The only possible factual problem I could identify was the claim that the ancient Egyptians used the blue water lily and the acacia species to achieve altered states – which many have speculated upon, though I'm not sure there is incontrovertible proof for. Hardly, "serious factual errors" for which a talk should be removed from their site for though.

Graham's own discussion of his 'healing' by 'Mother Ayahuasca' may well be the part that sent atheist bloggers into their spittle-on-the-lip frenzied whinefest. But he had clearly already introduced the topic by saying he made no claim for the reality of such beings, only that this 'meeting' had significant phenomenological effects on his life – and this type of experience is something we should all recognise, as we have inner dialogues all the time. Was it Graham's subconscious talking to him? Was it truly a nature goddess? We don't know (well, I'm sure Jerry Coyne and P.Z. Myers will tell you that they know), and Graham doesn't claim to know either in his talk either.

Maybe TED is wary of speakers promoting drug use, as one of the complaints refers to "reckless" talk about psychedelics. But Graham plainly warns that "it's no joke to drink ayahuasca… Nobody is doing this for recreation… and I'd like to add that I don't think any of the psychedelics should be used for recreation". He then goes on to talk about how these difficult ayahuasca sessions helped him kick his habit of smoking cannabis, which he describes as having been "a monkey on his back".

Or perhaps it was just Graham's critiques of science? Again, though, Graham didn't call out all of science - he directly referred to 'materialist science', and his mention is only in the context of what it can tell us about the possibility that consciousness is separate to the body: "This is the paradigm of all spiritual traditions… Really, if we want to know about this mystery the last people we should ask are materialist reductionist scientists." But he had just prefaced that statement by giving space to the materialist view: "It could be that the brain generates consciousness, the way a generator makes electricity - if you hold to that paradigm, then of course you can't believe in life after death".

Taking in all the possible evidence 'against' Graham Hancock's talk that may have caused TED to pull it from their site, I can only say that if TED wants to remove it for the reasons they have, they have put themselves on a serious slippery slope to having to remove a number of their most popular talks. Discussing negative aspects of materialist science and talking to imaginary entities are problems? Better get rid of Elizabeth Gilbert's discussion of artists and the concept of the muse. The idea of earth spirits and shamanic navigation of altered states of consciousness as being another model of reality far too 'woo' for TED? Better remove Wade Davis's TED talks. Holism and being at one with the Universe too kooky for you? Get a bit of delete key action happening on Jill Bolte Taylor's mega-popular TED talk. "Reckless" talk about positive aspects to psychedelics? Buh-bye Tim Brown. (Please don't actually do this TED, they are awesome talks and I am just playing devil's advocate)

It's rather ironic that Graham Hancock concludes his talk by invoking the right to free speech in order to call for the right to sovereignty over our own consciousness, only to have TED pull the video. The pulling of these videos is symptomatic of a larger problem in scientific orthodoxy and the skeptical movement: the idea that the general public need smarter people - ie. skeptics and scientists - to judge what content is fit for consumption, and reject anything that might just blow out the flickering candle of rationality. Instead of promoting thinking, TED are trying to think for others.

This incident is an absolute embarrassment for TED. Not because of the content of the talks delivered, but instead their weak reaction in the face of pressure from whining individuals who I don't want speaking, let alone thinking, on my behalf. Disappointed is an understatement.

Addendum: Graham Hancock has also asked TED to provide evidence for the accusations made in their blog post (update: TED's Chris Anderson has 'responded'). He has also pointed out other recent criticism of TED, such as Eddie Huang's experience as a TED presenter, as related to Joe Rogan (embedded below, NSFW language):


Graham Hancock Refutes TED’s Allegations, Defends Reputation
Posted by Graham Hancock on March 16, 2013

Letter dated 15 March 2013 from Graham Hancock to TED. The letter and series of supporting documents below it are self explanatory. It will be necessary to take a look at them all and to follow some of the links given in order to arrive at an informed opinion of what has happened here but for all concerned with freedom of speech, and the negative attitude of a powerful lobby of self-styled scientists towards visionary plants, the exercise should prove worthwhile.

Dear TED

I wish to protest officially the damage to my reputation and my good name as a prominent author and public speaker currently being perpetrated by TED on its own website — see here – http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/

I require TED either to substantiate the damaging allegations made there against me by TED or to retract them and publish a full and unconditional public apology.

The substance of my complaint is contained in my letter to Chris Anderson that I posted on the above blog page this morning replying to an earlier letter to me posted by Chris Anderson in the same place on 14 March. I set out for your convenience below my signature the full text of my letter with minor typographical errors corrected and ask you to treat this as an official complaint and investigate it and take immediate action.

Yours sincerely

Graham Hancock (Official letter of complaint follows below)

Letter to Chris Anderson, Curator TED Conferences.
From Graham Hancock 15 March 2013

Chris, your reply is very strange and does no credit to you in your role at the Curator of the TED Conference or to TED as a whole.

Quite simply the issue is this: TED has defamed me by making a number of accusations against me in this public forum on the TED website – accusations that are highly damaging to my reputation as an author and public speaker. I have asked you to substantiate those allegations which surely should be a matter of the highest priority to you if you have a genuine commitment to science and to truth. Yet instead of doing so you dodge my reasonable request for substantiation by telling me you are attending an event in DC, posing a number of irrelevant questions to me, making a reference to Wikipedia, and asking those you see as my “supporters” to “calm down a little.” This is all sleight of hand. All that is required of you here on the public record is simply to substantiate the grave allegations that TED has made against me in the introductory remarks to this page of the TED blog, or, if you cannot substantiate those allegations then retract them and apologize. Your present tactic allows the allegations to remain in the prominent opening statements to this blog page while you “reach out to see” if any of your advisers are “able to go into more depth” in answering my specific questions and while you yourself “sign off” until Monday.

This is not good enough and I demand that TED – either in the form of you personally or those “advisors” you refer to – either substantiate the defamatory allegations you have made against me forthwith or remove those allegations at once and post a full, public and unconditional apology.

I note that the text of TED’s introductory remarks to this page have undergone some editing since they were originally posted. Therefore I will set out again the allegations TED has made against me in these remarks as they stand today (at 09:50 GMT and as confirmed by a screen shot I have taken), and my reasonable questions in which I ask you to substantiate these allegations.

(1) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “…he misrepresents what scientists actually think. He suggests, for example, that no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.”

I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk they believe I say that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness”? Also in what other specific ways does TED believe I misrepresent what scientists actually think?

The only passage I can find in my presentation that has any relevance at all to this allegation is between 9 mins 50 seconds and 11 mins 12 seconds. But nowhere in that passage or anywhere else in my presentation do I make the suggestion you attribute to me in your allegation, namely that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.” Rather I address the mystery of life after death and state that “if we want to know about this mystery the last people we should ask are materialist, reductionist scientists. They have nothing to say on the matter at all.” That statement cannot possibly be construed as my suggesting that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness,” or of “misrepresenting” what materialist, reductionist scientists actually think. I am simply stating the fact, surely not controversial, that materialist, reductionist scientists have nothing to say on the matter of life after death because their paradigm does not allow them to believe in the possibility of life after death; they believe rather that nothing follows death. Here is the full transcript of what I say in my presentation between 9 mins 50 seconds and 11 mins 12 seconds: “What is death? Our materialist science reduces everything to matter. Materialist science in the West says that we are just meat, we’re just our bodies, so when the brain is dead that’s the end of consciousness. There is no life after death. There is no soul. We just rot and are gone. But actually any honest scientist should admit that consciousness is the greatest mystery of science and that we don’t know exactly how it works. The brain’s involved in it in some way, but we’re not sure how. Could be that the brain generates consciousness the way a generator makes electricity. If you hold to that paradigm then of course you can’t believe in life after death. When the generator’s broken consciousness is gone. But it’s equally possible that the relationship – and nothing in neuroscience rules it out – that the relationship is more like the relationship of the TV signal to the TV set and in that case when the TV set is broken of course the TV signal continues and this is the paradigm of all spiritual traditions – that we are immortal souls, temporarily incarnated in these physical forms to learn and to grow and to develop. And really if we want to know about this mystery the last people we should ask are materialist, reductionist scientists. They have nothing to say on the matter at all. Let’s go rather to the ancient Egyptians who put their best minds to work for three thousand years on the problem of death and on the problem of how we should live our lives to prepare for what we will confront after death…”
(2) TED says of my presentation: “He states as fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an “emergence into consciousness,” and that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.”

I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk they believe I state as a fact that psychotropic drug use is “essential” for an “emergence into consciousness.” I would also like TED to identify where exactly in my talk I state that “one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.”

Having carefully reviewed my presentation several times I can find nowhere where I make such statements.

(3) TED states that there are many “misleading statements” in my presentation.

I would like TED to indentify where exactly in my talk these alleged “misleading statements” occur.

(4) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “He offers a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs), which just doesn’t hold up.”

Again I would like TED to identify the point in my talk where I state this. Do I not rather say (between 1 min 06 seconds and 1 min 54 seconds) that some scientists in the last thirty years have raised an intriguing possibility — emphasis on POSSIBILITY — which is that the exploration of altered states of consciousness, in which psychedelic plants have been implicated, was fundamental to the emergence into fully symbolic consciousness witnessed by the great cave art? I can cite a wide range of respectable peer-reviewed scientists who have suggested this possibility and I do not see how reporting their work, which I have every right to do, can be construed as offering “a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs).” Besides is every talk that touches on the origins of culture obliged to consider all possible factors that might be involved in the origins of culture? How could any speaker be expected to do that in one 18-minute talk?

(5) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “… it’s no surprise his work has often been characterized as pseudo-archeology.”

Of what possible relevance is this remark? Many different people have characterised my work in many different ways but at issue here is not what people have said about my work over the years but the actual content of this specific TEDx presentation.

So there are the damaging and defamatory allegations TED has made against me in its website, and here again is my request that you either substantiate these allegations forthwith, or withdraw them and apologize to me prominently and publicly, allowing no further time to elapse to worsen the harm and damage you have already done.

The background to the above letter of complaint is set out in a series of posts I made on my facebook author page (http://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamHancock?fref=ts) between 14 and 15 March. Those posts are set out in datal order below.

Post 1, March 14th, 2013

Urgent call for help against an attempt to censor my work.
I have received notification today that my recent 18-minute TEDx video presentation, “The War on Consciousness” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WaeMyC86Dw), which has at time of writing received more than 132,000 views, is to be deleted from the TEDx website because what I say in that presentation allegedly “strays well beyond the realm of reasonable science”, and because I allegedly make “non-scientific and reckless” statements about psychotropic drugs. I am fighting these charges from TED’s Science Board which in my opinion are untrue and amount to nothing more than an ideologically driven attempt to censor my work. All the indications, however, are that my presentation will be deleted some time today. In order that what I said can be preserved, and that an independent record is maintained, I would ask internet-competent members of this community to download and save my presentation before it is deleted and lost forever. I do not know how to do this myself and my son Luke, who runs my Youtube channel for me, is today out of contact and I cannot reach him. Once again the URL for my presentation is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WaeMyC86Dw. Will someone kindly please save it in a form in which I can later re-upload it to my own Youtube channel (where it is presently only embedded, not independently uploaded). I don’t intend to allow this bizarre transgression of my freedom of speech on the part of an institution – TED – for which I once had the highest respect, to pass without a fight.

Post 2, March 14th, 2013

Following my last status posted here two hours ago, thanks and deep appreciation to all who have now independently downloaded and saved my presentation “The War on Consciousness” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WaeMyC86Dw) that is threatened with deletion from the TEDx website. Please keep these saved copies on file and disseminate and distribute in any way possible. Meanwhile I have managed to find my son Luke who runs my Youtube channel and we do now have an independent copy of the video which we will upload on my channel if it is deleted from the TEDx website.

This is a sinister and in my view deeply disturbing move by TED, whose name, I believed until now, was associated with the free flow of ideas. Furthermore it is not only my “War on Consciousness” presentation that is threatened with deletion but also the excellent presentation “The Science Delusion” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4-9l8IWFQ) by Rupert Sheldrake which was given at the same TEDx conference in Whitechapel, London in January 2013. I believe that a free and open public record around these issues is healthy and to this end publish the relevant paragraphs from the letter from TED that was received yesterday by the organisers of TEDx Whitechapel and that was passed onto me, and to Rupert Sheldrake this morning.

The TED letter states:

After due diligence, including a survey of published scientific research and recommendations from our Science Board and our community (https://www.ted.com/conversations/16894 ... _talk.html), we have decided that Rupert Sheldrake’s and Graham Hancock’s talks from TEDxWhiteChapel should be removed from the TEDx YouTube channel and any other distribution platform currently hosting the videos.

Both talks have been flagged as containing serious factual errors that undermine TED’s commitment to good science…

SHELDRAKE
Rupert Sheldrake appears to make several major factual errors, which undermine the arguments of talk. For example, he suggests that scientists reject the notion that animals have consciousness, despite the fact that it’s generally accepted that animals have some form of consciousness, and there’s much research and literature exploring the idea.

He also argues that scientists have ignored variations in the measurements of natural constants, using as his primary example the dogmatic assumption that a constant must be constant and uses the speed of light as example. But, in truth, there has been a great deal of inquiry into the nature of scientific constants, including published, peer-reviewed research investigating whether certain constants – including the speed of light – might actually vary over time or distance. Scientists are constantly questioning these assumptions. For example, just this year Scientific American published a feature on the state of research into exactly this question. (“Are physical constants really constant?: Do the inner workings of nature change over time?”) Physicist Sean Carroll wrote a careful rebuttal of this point.

In addition, Sheldrake claims to have“evidence” of morphic resonance in crystal formation and rat behavior. The research has never appeared in a peer-reviewed journal, despite attempts by other scientists eager to replicate the work.

HANCOCK
Graham Hancock’s talk, again, shares a compelling and unorthodox worldview, but one that strays well beyond the realm of reasonable science. While attempting to critique the scientific worldview, he misrepresents what scientists actually think. He suggests, for example, that no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.

In addition, Hancock makes statements about psychotropic drugs that seem both nonscientific and reckless. He states as fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an “emergence into consciousness,” and that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture. He seems to offer a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs), it’s no surprise his work has often been characterized as pseudo-archeology.

TED respects and supports the exploration of unorthodox ideas, but the many misleading statements in both Sheldrake’s and Hancock’s talks, whether made deliberately or in error, have led our scientific advisors to conclude that our name and platform should not be associated with these talks.

We request that you, as the TEDx licensee responsible for this talk, delete the videos from YouTube and inform Sheldrake and Hancock that the videos have been removed

(End of quote from TED letter)

Rupert Sheldrake is presently travelling in India with limited communications but will be responding in due course. I too am formulating a full response. But meanwhile I would like to make some points here.

(1) The TED letter says of my presentation: “…he misrepresents what scientists actually think. He suggests, for example, that no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.”

I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk they believe I say that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness”?

(2) The TED letter says of my presentation: “He states as fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an “emergence into consciousness,” and that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.”

I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk they believe I state as a fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an emergence into consciousness. I would also like TED to identify where exactly in my talk I state that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.

(3) The TED letter says of my presentation: “He seems to offer a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs), it’s no surprise his work has often been characterised as pseudo-archeology.”

Again I would like TED to identify the point in my talk where I state this. Do I not rather say that some scientists in the last thirty years have raised an intriguing possibility which is that the exploration of altered states of consciousness, in which psychedelic plants have been implicated was fundamental to the emergence into fully symbolic consciousness witnessed by the great cave art? I can cite a wide range of respectable peer-reviewed scientists who have suggested this possibility and I do not see how reporting their point of view, which I have every right to do, can be construed as offering “a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs).” Besides is every talk that touches on the origins of culture obliged to consider all possible factors that might be involved in the origins of culture? How could any speaker be expected to do that in one 18-minute talk? I also see no relevance to any of this in the statement that my work has often been characterised as “pseudo-archaeology”. Many different people have characterised my work in many different ways but at issue here is not what people have said about my work over the years but the actual content of this specific TEDx presentation.

In informing us that they are about to delete our talks from the TEDx Youtube channel, TED also state in their letter: “The talks won’t simply disappear from the web. Instead, we propose to feature them in a new section of TED.com that allows for debate, in which talks are carefully framed to highlight both their provocative ideas and the problems with their arguments.”

I find this last concept both worrying and insulting since it implies that TED feels the need to act as arbiter of the context in which our work is received rather than simply putting what we have to say before an intelligent public and letting the public decide. It also suggests that TED may believe the public are incapable of making up their own minds about our arguments without approved scientists first highlighting “the problems” with our arguments. Would TED, we wonder, put talks by, for example, Richard Dawkins, in the same proposed new area of its website?

We shall see. Meanwhile I hope that the public outcry that has already been generated as a result of TED’s letter will be enough to cause TED to think again and keep both my presentation and Rupert Sheldrake’s presentation live on the TEDx Youtube channel where everyone can make up their own minds. Once again, “The War on Consciousness” will be here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WaeMyC86Dw and “The Science Delusion” will be herehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4-9l8IWFQ unless and until TED delete them.

Post 3, March 14th, 2013

Further to my last two statuses I am disgusted to report that TED has indeed hidden my “War on Consciousness” presentation and Rupert Sheldrake’s “Science Delusion” presentation on the TEDx Youtube channel. Both videos are now marked as private and so no member of the public can now view them or make up their own minds about them. If this is how science operates, by silencing those who express opposing views rather than by debating with them, then science is dead and we are in a new era of the Inquisition.

Post 4, March 14th, 2013

In attempt to brush up their severely tarnished image after censoring my presentation “The War on Consciousness” from the TEDx website today (on the grounds that I was “unscientific”) and also censoring the presentation “The Science Delusion” by my colleague Rupert Sheldrake for the same reason, TED have now rushed to create a remote corner of their website, which I imagine they hope no-one will see, where our talks have been put back online and may be debated: http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/ This gesture, they claim, is in response to my suggestion that they had censored us and should be taken as evidence of their “spirit of radical openness”.

All I can say is this is extremely devious behavior on TED’s part. On the one hand they take down two videos from Youtube that had generated enormous public interest and traction (mine had received over 130,000 views and Rupert’s over 35,000 views). Then as soon as TED is tagged for censorship (did they hope we wouldn’t notice?) they put the videos up again in a remote place, which cannot benefit from URL sharing by any of the previous 160,000-plus viewers and which is, thus, to all extents and purposes invisible.

Worse, rather than allowing those viewers who do find this remote corner of the TED website to make up their own minds about our presentations, TED feel the need to “frame” our talks in a way, they say, that can “highlight both their [i.e. Hancock’s and Sheldrake’s] provocative ideas and the factual problems with their arguments.” I find this manoeuver disingenuous in that (1) I see no “framing” at all of our “provocative ideas” but plenty of “framing” of what TED claim are the factual problems with our arguments; this “framing” occurs in the lengthy introduction that TED has published to our videos. (2) TED did not approach either Rupert or myself in advance for any refutation of the “factual problems” they allege in our presentations. In fact I refute all these so-called “factual problems” with regard to my own presentation, and have now posted these refutations on the TED blog (http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/) in the form of a series of questions to TED to which I expect answers. (3) The whole concept of this manoeuver by TED is worrying and insulting. It implies that TED believes it has the right to act as arbiter of the context in which my presentation and Rupert’s presentation is received rather than simply putting what we have to say before an intelligent public and letting the public decide. It also suggests that TED believe the public are incapable of making up their own minds about our arguments without approved scientists first highlighting “the problems” with our arguments. Would TED, we wonder, treat many of the provocative talks by, for example, Richard Dawkins, in the same way?

I hope that many of my wonderful and supportive facebook community who see this post will go to the TED URL linked above (again – http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/) and register to post, and add comments there. I believe this is an important issue and it is important that TED do not get away with what (regardless of how they try to finesse it — “spirit of radical openness LOL!!) is after all censorship.

Post 5, March 14th, 2013

The more I wade into the morass that is TED the more horrified I become at the illusion of openness this organisation has wrapped around itself, when the truth as I have now learned from direct experience is so very different. TED talks a good talk about itself, its nobility, its achievements. “We believe passionately,” TED boasts, “in the power of ideas to change attitudes, lives and ultimately,the world. So we’re building here a clearinghouse that offers free knowledge and inspiration from the world’s most inspired thinkers, and also a community of curious souls to engage with ideas and each other.” (see here:http://www.ted.com/pages/about).

But the truth is quite different. Over the matter of the censorship on Youtube of my “War on Consciousness” presentation and Rupert Sheldrake’s “Science Delusion” presentation, TED is closed minded, operates with an extremely limited view of what is scientifically orthodox, wishes to stay safely within that orthodoxy, and is patronising and disparaging about those who question their policies. As TED Curator Chris Anderson (http://www.ted.com/speakers/chris_anderson_ted.html) writes here (http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/) in response to comments criticising TED for censoring my presentation: “Right now this comment section is over-run by the hordes of supporters sent our way by Graham Hancock. It would be nice for you to calm down and actually read some of the criticisms of his work so that you can get a more balanced view point. And meanwhile, we’ll be reading the views of anyone who’ll be patient enough to express them in a reasoned way …as opposed to throwing around shrieks of censorship when nothing of the kind has happened.”

Mr Anderson seems to have plenty of time to pour scorn on those who disagree with the way TED has handled this matter, but so far, more than five hours after I posted them he has not found the time to answer the four simple questions I asked him on page 1 of the public forum he set up (http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/) supposedly to foster open discussion of the presentations by myself and Rupert.

Here are those four simple questions again:

(1) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “…he misrepresents what scientists actually think. He suggests, for example, that no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.”

I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk they believe I say that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness”? Also in what other specific ways does TED believe I misrepresent what scientists actually think?

(2) TED says of my presentation: “He states as fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an “emergence into consciousness,” and that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.”

I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk they believe I state as a fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an emergence into consciousness. I would also like TED to identify where exactly in my talk I state that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.

(3) TED states that there are many inaccuracies in my presentation which display a disrespect both for my audience and for my arguments.

I would like TED to indentify where exactly in my talk these alleged “many inaccuracies” occur.

(4) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “He offers a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs), which just doesn’t hold up.”

Again I would like TED to identify the point in my talk where I state this. Do I not rather say that some scientists in the last thirty years have raised an intriguing possibility — emphasis on POSSIBILITY — which is that the exploration of altered states of consciousness, in which psychedelic plants have been implicated, was fundamental to the emergence into fully symbolic consciousness witnessed by the great cave art? I can cite a wide range of respectable peer-reviewed scientists who have suggested this possibility and I do not see how reporting their work, which I have every right to do, can be construed as offering “a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs).” Besides is every talk that touches on the origins of culture obliged to consider all possible factors that might be involved in the origins of culture? How could any speaker be expected to do that in one 18-minute talk?

For those who have missed this developing story during the day here are links to my earlier relevant posts in order of appearance:

http://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamHa ... 1245272354

http://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamHa ... 1393237354

http://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamHa ... 1414982354

http://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamHa ... 1604052354 (the first link in this post is broken and should read: http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/)

Post 6, March 15th, 2013

Open letter to Chris Anderson, Curator TED Conferences.
From Graham Hancock 15 March 2013
This letter is a reply to a letter to me that Chris Anderson has posted here on the TED blog page (http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/) and that I have also responded to in the same place. For convenience after posting my open letter below, I also post the full text of Chris Anderson’s letter to me.

(1) My open letter to Chris Anderson, Curator TED Conferences, posted on the TED blog page at 09:50 GMT on 15 March 2013

Chris, your reply is very strange and does no credit to you in your role at the Curator of the TED Conference or to TED as a whole.

Quite simply the issue is this: TED has defamed me by making a number of accusations against me in this public forum on the TED website – accusations that are highly damaging to my reputation as an author and public speaker. I have asked you to substantiate those allegations which surely should be a matter of the highest priority to you if you have a genuine commitment to science and to truth. Yet instead of doing so you dodge my reasonable request for substantiation by telling me you are attending an event in DC, posing a number of irrelevant questions to me, making a reference to Wikipedia, and asking those you see as my “supporters” to “calm down a little.” This is all sleight of hand. All that is required of you here on the public record is simply to substantiate the grave allegations that TED has made against me in the introductory remarks to this page of the TED blog, or, if you cannot substantiate those allegations then retract them and apologize. Your present tactic allows the allegations to remain in the prominent opening statements to this blog page while you “reach out to see” if any of your advisers are “able to go into more depth” in answering my specific questions and while you yourself “sign off” until Monday.

This is not good enough and I demand that TED – either in the form of you personally or those “advisors” you refer to – either substantiate the defamatory allegations you have made against me forthwith or remove those allegations at once and post a full, public and unconditional apology.

I note that the text of TED’s introductory remarks to this page have undergone some editing since they were originally posted. Therefore I will set out again the allegations TED has made against me in these remarks as they stand today (at 09:50 GMT and as confirmed by a screen shot I have taken), and my reasonable questions in which I ask you to substantiate these allegations.

(1) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “…he misrepresents what scientists actually think. He suggests, for example, that no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.”

I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk they believe I say that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness”? Also in what other specific ways does TED believe I misrepresent what scientists actually think?

The only passage I can find in my presentation that has any relevance at all to this allegation is between 9 mins 50 seconds and 11 mins 12 seconds. But nowhere in that passage or anywhere else in my presentation do I make the suggestion you attribute to me in your allegation, namely that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness.” Rather I address the mystery of life after death and state that “if we want to know about this mystery the last people we should ask are materialist, reductionist scientists. They have nothing to say on the matter at all.” That statement cannot possibly be construed as my suggesting that “no scientists are working on the problem of consciousness,” or of “misrepresenting” what materialist, reductionist scientists actually think. I am simply stating the fact, surely not controversial, that materialist, reductionist scientists have nothing to say on the matter of life after death because their paradigm does not allow them to believe in the possibility of life after death; they believe rather that nothing follows death. Here is the full transcript of what I say in my presentation between 9 mins 50 seconds and 11 mins 12 seconds: “What is death? Our materialist science reduces everything to matter. Materialist science in the West says that we are just meat, we’re just our bodies, so when the brain is dead that’s the end of consciousness. There is no life after death. There is no soul. We just rot and are gone. But actually any honest scientist should admit that consciousness is the greatest mystery of science and that we don’t know exactly how it works. The brain’s involved in it in some way, but we’re not sure how. Could be that the brain generates consciousness the way a generator makes electricity. If you hold to that paradigm then of course you can’t believe in life after death. When the generator’s broken consciousness is gone. But it’s equally possible that the relationship – and nothing in neuroscience rules it out – that the relationship is more like the relationship of the TV signal to the TV set and in that case when the TV set is broken of course the TV signal continues and this is the paradigm of all spiritual traditions – that we are immortal souls, temporarily incarnated in these physical forms to learn and to grow and to develop. And really if we want to know about this mystery the last people we should ask are materialist, reductionist scientists. They have nothing to say on the matter at all. Let’s go rather to the ancient Egyptians who put their best minds to work for three thousand years on the problem of death and on the problem of how we should live our lives to prepare for what we will confront after death…”

(2) TED says of my presentation: “He states as fact that psychotropic drug use is essential for an “emergence into consciousness,” and that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.”

I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk they believe I state as a fact that psychotropic drug use is “essential” for an “emergence into consciousness.” I would also like TED to identify where exactly in my talk I state that “one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture.”

Having carefully reviewed my presentation several times I can find nowhere where I make such statements.

(3) TED states that there are many “misleading statements” in my presentation.

I would like TED to indentify where exactly in my talk these alleged “misleading statements” occur.

(4) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “He offers a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs), which just doesn’t hold up.”

Again I would like TED to identify the point in my talk where I state this. Do I not rather say (between 1 min 06 seconds 1 min 54 seconds) that some scientists in the last thirty years have raised an intriguing possibility — emphasis on POSSIBILITY — which is that the exploration of altered states of consciousness, in which psychedelic plants have been implicated, was fundamental to the emergence into fully symbolic consciousness witnessed by the great cave art? I can cite a wide range of respectable peer-reviewed scientists who have suggested this possibility and I do not see how reporting their work, which I have every right to do, can be construed as offering “a one-note explanation for how culture arises (drugs).” Besides is every talk that touches on the origins of culture obliged to consider all possible factors that might be involved in the origins of culture? How could any speaker be expected to do that in one 18-minute talk?

(5) TED says of my “War on Consciousness” presentation: “… it’s no surprise his work has often been characterized as pseudo-archeology.”

Of what possible relevance is this remark? Many different people have characterised my work in many different ways but at issue here is not what people have said about my work over the years but the actual content of this specific TEDx presentation.

So there are the damaging and defamatory allegations TED has made against me in its website, and here again is my request that you either substantiate these allegations forthwith, or withdraw them and apologize to me prominently and publicly, allowing no further time to elapse to worsen the harm and damage you have already done.

Signed Graham Hancock, 15 March 2013 at 09:50 GMT



(2) Letter from Chris Anderson to Graham Hancock posted on the TED blog page on 14 March 2013 to which the above open letter is a response:

Graham, greetings, and thanks for engaging here personally. We’ll try to get you some more detailed comments early next week. I’m currently tied up at National Geographic in DC helping launch the TEDxDeExtinction event (which, by the way, is an indication that we have no problem with radical scientific ideas per se.)

I understand why you’re upset at the talk being pulled off Youtube, but we’re quite serious in saying we’re not censoring you. The talk will live here as long it takes for this conversation to work itself out, and perhaps indefinitely. I must say, you’re a compelling speaker and I personally enjoyed the talk quite a bit. I can understand why you and your books have attracted a huge following.

It would help your cause to let this whole discussion calm down a little. You seem to have whipped your supporters up into a bit of a frenzy. There’s no conspiracy out to get you. We just have certain guidelines for our TEDx events that weren’t fully implemented in this instance, and it’s OK to have a public discussion about that.

So here’s a suggestion. While I reach out and see if any of our advisors is able to go into more depth in answering your specific questions, perhaps you could help me understand why your work is widely characterized as pseudo-archeology, as in the current version of this wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology

Is that a distorted description of your views? Is mainstream archaeology simply misguided? Or is there some other explanation?

Do you agree that we should have *some* form of guidelines for our TEDx organizers as to what constitutes credible science, or do you think our approach should be let anyone put anything they want out there and just let the public decide?

I’m signing off now till Monday, but truly I would value your and your supporters’ help in turning this into a more constructive discussion.

Thanks, Graham.

END OF TEXT OF LETTER FROM CHRIS ANDERSON, CURATOR TED CONFERENCES posted on the TED blog page (http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/) 14 March 2013.



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Postby JackRiddler » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:25 pm

Thank you!

Very interesting.

Recently I've been exploring the New Atheism and its discontents.

There was also that other case of TED blocking out a talk by some capitalist about how capitalism is bullshit. We had a thread on that, anyone remember his name?
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:24 pm

JackRiddler wrote:Thank you!

Very interesting.

Recently I've been exploring the New Atheism and its discontents.

There was also that other case of TED blocking out a talk by some capitalist about how capitalism is bullshit. We had a thread on that, anyone remember his name?


I believe it was this one:



http://www.nationaljournal.com/features ... y-20120516

Updated: May 22, 2012 | 4:40 p.m.
May 16, 2012 | 3:03 p.m.

If you’re plugged into the Internet, chances are you’ve seen a TED talk – the wonky, provocative web videos that have become a sort of nerd franchise. TED.com is where you go to find Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg explaining why the world has too few female leaders, or Twitter cofounder Evan Williams sharing the secret power of listening to users to drive company improvement. The slogan of the nonprofit group behind the site is “Ideas Worth Spreading.”
There’s one idea, though, that TED’s organizers recently decided was too controversial to spread: the notion that widening income inequality is a bad thing for America, and that as a result, the rich should pay more in taxes.
TED organizers invited a multimillionaire Seattle venture capitalist named Nick Hanauer – the first nonfamily investor in Amazon.com – to give a speech on March 1 at their TED University conference. Inequality was the topic – specifically, Hanauer’s contention that the middle class, and not wealthy innovators like himself, are America’s true “job creators.”
“We’ve had it backward for the last 30 years,” he said. “Rich businesspeople like me don’t create jobs. Rather they are a consequence of an ecosystemic feedback loop animated by middle-class consumers, and when they thrive, businesses grow and hire, and owners profit. That’s why taxing the rich to pay for investments that benefit all is a great deal for both the middle class and the rich.”
You can’t find that speech online. TED officials told Hanauer initially they were eager to distribute it. “I want to put this talk out into the world!” one of them wrote him in an e-mail in late April. But early this month they changed course, telling Hanauer that his remarks were too “political” and too controversial for posting.
Other TED talks posted online veer sharply into controversial and political territory, including NASA scientist James Hansen comparing climate change to an asteroid barreling toward Earth, and philanthropist Melinda Gates pushing for more access to contraception in the developing world.
TED curator Chris Anderson referenced the Gates talk in an e-mail to colleagues in early April, which was also sent to Hanauer, suggesting that he didn't want to release Hanauer’s talk at the same time as the one on contraception.
Hanauer’s talk “probably ranks as one of the most politically controversial talks we've ever run, and we need to be really careful when” to post it, Anderson wrote on April 6. “Next week ain't right. Confidentially, we already have Melinda Gates on contraception going out. Sorry for the mixed messages on this.”
In early May Anderson followed up with Hanauer to inform him he’d decided not to post his talk.
National Journal e-mailed Anderson to request an interview about what made a talk on inequality more politically controversial than, for example, contraception or climate change. Anderson, who is traveling abroad, responded with an e-mail statement that appeared to swipe at the popularity of Hanauer’s speech.
"Many of the talks given at the conference or at TED-U are not released,” Anderson wrote. “We only release one a day on TED.com and there's a backlog of amazing talks from all over the world. We do not comment publicly on reasons to release or not release [a] talk. It's unfair on the speakers concerned. But we have a general policy to avoid talks that are overtly partisan, and to avoid talks that have received mediocre audience ratings."
You can read the full story of Hanauer and his warnings about the decline of the middle class on Thursday as part of National Journal’s Restoration Calls series.
Update: 4:09 p.m.
In a May 7 email to Hanauer, forwarded to NJ, Anderson took issue with several of Hanauer's assertions in the talk, including the idea that businesspeople aren't job creators. He also made clear his aversion to the "political" nature of the talk.
"I agree with your language about ecosystems, and your dismissal of some of the mechanistic economy orthodoxy, yet many of your own statements seem to go further than those arguments justify," Anderson wrote.
"But even if the talk was rated a home run, we couldn't release it, because it would be unquestionably regarded as out and out political. We're in the middle of an election year in the US. Your argument comes down firmly on the side of one party. And you even reference that at the start of the talk. TED is nonpartisan and is fighting a constant battle with TEDx organizers to respect that principle....
"Nick, I personally share your disgust at the growth in inequality in the US, and would love to have found a way to give people a clearer mindset on the issue, without stoking a tedious partisan rehash of all the arguments we hear every day in the mainstream media.
"Alas, my judgment - and it is just a judgment, and that's why my job title is 'curator' - is that publishing your talk would not meet that goal."
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Postby undead » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:04 pm

Max Planck wrote:A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.


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Postby undead » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:53 pm

He gives an excellent talk that covers a very wide range of material concisely and clearly. The message is obviously antagonistic to people who are invested in a materialist worldview and cannot even tolerate the suggestion of an alternative. For example:

"[He states] that one can use psychotropic plants to connect directly with an ancient mother culture."

And this is a problem for what reason? To whom is this notion so offensive, and why? As long as indigenous cultures around the world still exist (and they do) this is a demonstrable fact. This is the kind of attitude that demonstrates how the modern scientific reductionist paradigm is fundamentally racist, because it completely ignores and denies any ideas that were not produced by western science.

One thing that Hancock is guilty of is calling DMT a "natural brain hormone", which is not proven. This is a statement that is widely repeated by psychedelic enthusiasts in this discussion and really quite detrimental to the furtherance of understanding. So special thanks to Joe Rogan for making psychedelic enthusiasts look foolish, and unfortunately Hancock also provides an opening for his detractors to dismiss the entire subject as woo.

In his book Rick Strassman merely pointed out that DMT could easily be produced by the human brain because it is almost identical to serotonin. So while this is an eminently plausible hypothesis we are not able to know if it is true, because modern science really knows practically nothing about how the human brain functions.

Ask Erowid:

Q: I read that DMT is produced in the brain, but then I heard that was just a rumor. I also read somewhere that eating a candy bar, tryptophan vitamin supplements, and an MAOI will cause your brain to produce its own DMT.

A: As of September 2010, this question of whether DMT is produced in the brain does not have a simple yes or no answer. It has not yet been conclusively demonstrated that DMT is produced in the living human brain, but there are strong reasons to believe that it might be, as well as technical issues that make the theory difficult to verify.

The presence of DMT in human blood and urine has been conclusively reported in a number of papers (Riceberg and van Vunakis, 1978). For many years, its presence in urine was tied to people with schizophrenia and psychosis (Jacobs and Presti, 2005). There is no question that DMT is naturally produced in the human body.

The enzymes necessary to produce DMT from tryptamine and serotonin--N-methyltransferase (NMT) and indolethylamine N-methyltransferase (INMT)--as well as the mRNA necessary to produce the enzymes have been shown to exist in human tissues outside the brain. While found in the spinal cord, these were not identified in the brain itself (Thompson et al., 1999). However, it remains quite possible that they are present in areas of the brain other than those studied by Thompson et al., or that they are present in amounts too small to have been detected, or that the necessary genes are only expressed (and the mRNA produced) under certain conditions.

In one key study looking at this issue from 1971, Mandell and Morgan flooded extracted brain tissue with tryptamine in vitro (in petri dishes) and measured the DMT that was produced. However, they did not show that this actually happens in living tissue with normal amounts of tryptophan.

DMT is so readily broken down by the MAO enzyme that one researcher, Nicholas Cozzi, co-author of a 2009 paper on the topic published in Science, speculates that the problem might simply be one of detection: "DMT itself is so fleeting, that it seems one might have to take 'heroic' measures such as obtaining fresh brain tissue from a patient on MAO inhibitors or freezing brain tissue immediately upon collection to prevent the disappearance of any DMT. We know that DMT can be detected in rat brain tissue from animals pretreated with an MAO inhibitor (this was elegantly demonstrated in the Saavedra/Axelrod work), but as far as I know, this hasn't been done with human tissue." (Cozzi, personal communication, 2010)

While it has been established that DMT is produced in the human body, it is not yet possible to say definitively that it is produced in the human brain. With some conflicting evidence, signs point to DMT being produced in the brain in small quantities at a limited number of (as yet unidentified) sites.

To answer the second part of your question, taking an MAOI and eating a candy bar will not have effects similar to smoking DMT or taking ayahuasca. Many people have been prescribed long-acting, very powerful MAOIs and have not reported that kind of effect.

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For a discussion of whether DMT is specifically formed in the human pineal gland, see DMT and the Pineal: Fact or Fiction? (Hanna, 2010).

Selected quotes from related papers:

"DMT can be produced by enzymes in mammalian lung (11) and in rodent brain (12). DMT has been found in human urine, blood, and cerebrospinal fluid (9, 13). Although there are no conclusive quantitative studies measuring the abundance of endogenous DMT because of its rapid metabolism (14), DMT concentrations can be localized and elevated in certain instances. Evidence suggests that DMT can be locally sequestered into brain neurotransmitter storage vesicles and that DMT production increases in rodent brain under environmental stress (8)." (Fontanilla et al., 2009)

In a review article that summarizes the results of previous research evidence for endogenous production of DMT (and other hallucinogens) in humans, Rosengarten and Friedhoff report that enzymes necessary to produce DMT have clearly been shown to be present in living tissue, "Tryptamine, or NMT, can be enzymatically converted to DMT by a SAM-dependent enzyme or enzymes shown to be highly active in lung or adrenal, particularly of the rabbit. This enzyme system can be demonstrated in brain, but its activity is very low. Similar findings have been made with regard to the formation of bufotenine from serotonin." (Rosengarten and Friedhoff, 1976)

"We have recently demonstrated the presence of this enzyme in the brain of rat, with the highest specific activity in the brain stem and the lowest in cortical areas. In addition, we have evidence of the presence of this enzyme in infant parietal and adult frontal cortical tissue taken incidentally from man during neurosurgical procedures." (Morgan and Mandell, 1969)

"More controversial is the presence of DMT in brain. Some researchers posit that the synthesis of DMT in brain is not physiologically significant (Thompson et al., 1999; however, consider the arguments of Jones, 1983; Reader et al., 1988). Other researchers propose that DMT levels increase in the mammalian brain during stress, whereupon DMT may act as an endogenous anxiolytic (for discussion, see Jacob and Presti, 2005)." (Burchett, 2006)

"The potent hallucinogenic effects of pure DMT in humans were first reported by Szara [7] in 1956. Then, in 1965, DMT, tryptamine and 5-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (bufotenine) were reported as normal constituents of human urine and blood [8] [...] We have reviewed the current research on INMT and AADC activity, illustrating that their participation in DMT biosynthesis is biochemically very reasonable. We have also proposed a major role for DMT in the trace amine system. This proposal offers a neurochemical explanation for heretofore ill-understood aspects of DMT pharmacology, especially at low doses. Our proposed scenario also includes the hypothesis that increased DMT or tryptamine production could suppress psychotic activity, rather than aggravate it." (Jacob and Presti, 2005)

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DMT and the Pineal: Fact or Fiction?
by Jon Hanna
v1.1 - Jun 29, 2010

A well-known factoid bandied about by psychedelic drug geeks is the idea that DMT, or some other psychoactive tryptamine, is produced by the pineal gland. When did this idea originate? And is it actually true?

During his talk "Psychoactive Drugs Throughout Human History" at a 1983 University of California at Santa Barbara conference, Andrew Weil mentioned in passing, "Dimethyltryptamine [...] is almost certainly made by the pineal gland in the brain." Meanwhile, at U.C. San Diego, Rick Strassman had begun to wonder whether or not the pineal might produce psychedelic compounds. That same year, in his booklet Eros and the Pineal: The Layman's Guide to Cerebral Solitaire, Albert Most claimed that: "A pair of naturally occurring pineal enzymes [...] is capable of converting serotonin into a number of potent hallucinogens." Most stated that the pineal could transform serotonin into 5-methoxy-N-methyltryptamine, and then make that into 5-methyoxy-N,N-dimethyltrptamine. Alas, no references were provided to support Most's description of pineal catabolism. Nevertheless, it seems likely that this general line of thinking--that some psychoactive tryptamine is created in the pineal--was birthed in the early 1980s.1

It took a couple of decades for the meme to spread into the wider drug-geek pop culture, more recently and rapidly due to the Internet, after the 2001 publication of Strassman's popular book DMT: The Spirit Molecule. Consider the following transcription from a radio rant [audio file online here] given circa 2005/2006 by the actor-comedian Joe Rogan, host of the TV show Fear Factor:

It's called dimethyltryptamine. It's produced by your pineal gland. It's actually a gland [...] that's in the center of your brain. It's the craziest drug ever. It's the most potent psychedelic known to man. Literally. But the craziest thing [about it is that] it's natural, and your brain produces it every night as you sleep. You know, when you sleep, during the time you're in heavy R.E.M. sleep, and right before human death, your brain pumps out heavy doses of dimethyltryptamine. Nobody knows what sleep is all about. Nobody knows why dreaming is important. But dreaming is hugely important. If you don't dream, you'll go fucking crazy and you'll die. While you're dreaming, while you're in heavy R.E.M. sleep, you are going through a psychedelic trip. And very few people know about this. But it's been documented.

There's a great book on it called DMT: The Spirit Molecule by a doctor named Dr. Rick Strassman. And he did all of these clinical studies at the University of New Mexico on it. And you take this shit, and literally you are transported into another fucking dimension. I don't mean like, you feel like you're in another dimension. I mean you're in another dimension. [...] There's fucking complex geometric patterns moving in synchronous order through the air all around you in three-dimensional space; and it's like they're arteries, except there's not blood pumping through them, there's fucking light--pulsating lights with no boundaries. And you couldn't really understand it. And there's an alien communicating with me. There's a dude who looks like, like sorta like a Thai Buddha, except he's made entirely of energy and there's no, there's no, like, outline to him--he's just one thing. And he's concentrating on me, and he's trying to tell me not to give in to astonishment. Just relax, and try to experience this. And I'm like, 'You gotta be fucking shittin' me.' And I'm a stand up comedian, you know. 'Cos as a stand up comedian, we pride ourselves in being able to describe things. So I'm like, 'How the FUCK am I gonna talk about this?!'


Rogan does an excellent job of expressing a number of bullet points from Strassman's book in a humorous manner. But the problem is that none of these points are known to be true. And although Strassman clearly states that his ideas about DMT and the pineal gland "are not proven"2, many people have accepted them as fact. As of June 2010, there is currently no scientific evidence that the pineal gland produces DMT, much less any evidence for the more far-out speculations that Strassman makes about DMT being a chemical modulator of the human soul. When Strassman examined the pineal glands from "about ten" human corpse brains, there was nary a trace of DMT to be found in them. This doesn't invalidate his theory, since DMT is metabolized quickly, and none of the corpse brains were fresh-frozen. Further tests on fresh-frozen brains could be done. Someday there may be evidence that DMT is produced in the pineal gland, but that day has not yet arrived.

By the end of his book, Strassman proposes that DMT may provide access to parallel universes (and alien beings) via superconductive quantum computing of the human brain at room temperature, or via interactions with dark matter. Strassman states: "Because I know so little about theoretical physics, there are fewer constraints reining me in regarding such speculations." And for those who know virtually nothing about any given topic, there appear to be no constraints on speculation. It is for exactly this reason that Strassman's theories have both been accepted as fact by many people, and then expanded into creative new directions. A few offshoot theories include the idea that ancient prophets produced more DMT, that electro-magnetic fields increase DMT production, that spending a couple of weeks in total darkness increases DMT production, and that fluoridated water suppresses DMT production. An Internet search will turn up a bounty of wacky spin-offs, all of which cite Strassman's speculations as the facts backing up their further claims.

Is DMT produced by the pineal gland? Maybe...

Addendum by Rick Strassman
"I did my best in the DMT book to differentiate between what is known, and what I was conjecturing about (based upon what is known), regarding certain aspects of DMT dynamics. However, it's amazing how ineffective my efforts seem to have been. So many people write me, or write elsewhere, about DMT, and the pineal, assuming that the things I conjecture about are true. When I was writing the book, I thought I was clear enough, and repeating myself would have gotten tedious.

"We don't know whether DMT is made in the pineal. I muster a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting a reason to look long and hard at the pineal, but we do not yet know. There are data suggesting urinary DMT rises in psychotic patients when their psychosis is worse. However, we don't know whether DMT rises during dreams, meditation, near-death, death, birth or any other endogenous altered state. To the extent those states resemble those brought on by giving DMT, it certainly makes one wonder if endogenous DMT might be involved, and if it were, it would explain a lot. But we don't know yet. Even if the pineal weren't involved, that would have little overall effect on my theories regarding a role for DMT in endogenous altered states, because we do know that the gene involved in DMT synthesis is present in many organs, particularly lung. If the pineal made DMT, it would tie up a lot of loose ends regarding this enigmatic little organ. But people seem to live pretty normals lives without a pineal gland; for example, when it has had to be removed because of a tumor.

"In both these regards--the pineal-DMT connection, and endogenous DMT dynamics--we ought to know a lot more within the next several years due to the efforts of a research group being led by Steven Barker at Louisiana State University. He, with his grad student Ethan McIlhenny, are developing a new super-assay for DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, bufotenine, and metabolites. This assay will be capable of detecting those compounds much more sensitively than previous generations of assays. They're looking at endogenous levels in awake sober normals, to assess baseline values of these compounds. We should have some data from those samples within a year. They also will be looking at pineal tissue. Once we have some baseline data in normal humans in normal waking consciousness, comparisons can be made between those levels and levels in endogenous altered states, like dreams, near-death, and so on."

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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:03 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:I believe it was this one:



http://www.nationaljournal.com/features ... y-20120516



Yes, that's it! Good thread, too:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34748

Resisting temptation to repost it all here, or vice-versa, but this was very funny:


http://wonkette.com/472868/ted-people-n ... ore-472868

TED People Nix Income Inequality Chat In Favor Of More Prissy Totebagging Social Media Efficiency Crap

by Jim Newell
12:25 pm May 17, 2012


Do you kids like the TED talks? They’re a series of conferences where David Brooks pretends to explain scientific innovation or a “social media pioneer” babbles about how clicking a new computer button on a computer program will save Africa or… well, let’s just see what the top video on their website is right now: “David Kelley: How to build your creative confidence.” We’d rather listen to John McCain sing Ke$ha. “Bart Knols: Cheese, dogs, and pills to end malaria.” Oh my god. “Reuben Margolin: Sculpting waves in wood and time.” Whatever, fraud. “José Bowen: Beethoven the businessman.” Each one is just a fresh new apocalypse. Why not post a talk about, say, the major socioeconomic issue of our era, income inequality and stability? Apparently this would have been too “political” for the TED folks, so they won’t post it online. This deserves some extraordinarily negative feedback.

National Journal had the great scoop of how these Idea Leaders thought it would be too “political” to distribute an actual worthwhile chat that might make some Republicans (or corporate donors) sad:

TED organizers invited a multimillionaire Seattle venture capitalist named Nick Hanauer – the first nonfamily investor in Amazon.com – to give a speech on March 1 at their TED University conference. Inequality was the topic – specifically, Hanauer’s contention that the middle class, and not wealthy innovators like himself, are America’s true “job creators.”

“We’ve had it backward for the last 30 years,” he said. “Rich businesspeople like me don’t create jobs. Rather they are a consequence of an ecosystemic feedback loop animated by middle-class consumers, and when they thrive, businesses grow and hire, and owners profit. That’s why taxing the rich to pay for investments that benefit all is a great deal for both the middle class and the rich.”


Sounds pretty perfect and relevant and backed by empirical data. Well done, organizers! BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENED?

You can’t find that speech online. TED officials told Hanauer initially they were eager to distribute it. “I want to put this talk out into the world!” one of them wrote him in an e-mail in late April. But early this month they changed course, telling Hanauer that his remarks were too “political” and too controversial for posting. [...]

Hanauer’s talk “probably ranks as one of the most politically controversial talks we’ve ever run, and we need to be really careful when” to post it, Anderson wrote on April 6. “Next week ain’t right. Confidentially, we already have Melinda Gates on contraception going out. Sorry for the mixed messages on this.”


And then Anderson had a patronizing little email chat with Hanauer about how he was wrong about stuff:

In a May 7 email to Hanauer, forwarded to NJ, Anderson took issue with several of Hanauer’s assertions in the talk, including the idea that businesspeople aren’t job creators. He also made clear his aversion to the “political” nature of the talk.

“I agree with your language about ecosystems, and your dismissal of some of the mechanistic economy orthodoxy, yet many of your own statements seem to go further than those arguments justify,” Anderson wrote.

“But even if the talk was rated a home run, we couldn’t release it, because it would be unquestionably regarded as out and out political. We’re in the middle of an election year in the US. Your argument comes down firmly on the side of one party. And you even reference that at the start of the talk. TED is nonpartisan and is fighting a constant battle with TEDx organizers to respect that principle….


Chris Anderson is everything that is wrong with the world right now and should self-deport to a remote cave forever.


Questioning the notion of the rich as "job creators" qualifies as "one of the most politically controversial talks they've ever run"? Really?

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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby elfismiles » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:21 pm


From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:12:09 -0000
Archived: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:20:54 -0500
Subject: We Don't Understand...


Hello List

The Kepler mission gave some conclusions to the Press the other
day, here's an extract from `The Independent':

http://tinyurl.com/9wctbfr

[Quotation Begins]

"We are finding planets that are two or three times the size of
Jupiter, and Jupiter is the size of a small star so we are
finding planets as big as stars... We have found that planets
can get bigger by some process and we don't understand that
process" he said. ..."What that tells you is that our concept of
how planetary systems, based on how our own Solar System is put
together, is probably not applicable for many of these other
solar systems" Quotation ends

Which made me recall Halton Arp's opinion: "We are certainly not
at the end of science. Most probably we are just at the
beginning!"


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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:26 pm

Since I would never want to be accused of littering General Discussion I will ask to have this thread merged with the other....no offense to anyone in this thread
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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:45 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:Since I would never want to be accused of littering General Discussion I will ask to have this thread merged with the other....no offense to anyone in this thread


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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:14 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:Since I would never want to be accused of littering General Discussion I will ask to have this thread merged with the other....no offense to anyone in this thread


Oh stop, we love you and it's never litter. Just sometimes confusing to figure out which of several threads on the same approximate subject to choose.



Jack I tried to tell you that comment was NOT directed to anyone in this thread and had NOTHING to do with this thread, and really nothing to do with me but I was making a point of course to someone and that's all there is to that.....just being a little snarky...there are times when it is not all about me :P
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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby Project Willow » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:36 pm

It says something about the state of our world when a group of people who bully others into ideological conformity are labeled "skeptics".
Sheldrake is closer to a true skeptic in this case.

Here's a summation of the progression of the conflict which appears to be rooted in reflexive response to cirticism:

Kent Bye commented on Mar 15 2013

I wanted to understand where the TED organizers were coming from in making this decision, and so I researched the timeline and context of events leading up to this decision. I have some follow-up questions for the TED staff at the end.

*** December 1st, 2012 ***
A Reddit user named circuitry posts a complaint that “The TED name is being dragged through the mud in Valencia, Spain, where a TEDx-approved event is promoting pseudoscientific stuff”

Note that Sheldrake’s and Hancock’s talks in question happened in London over a month later, but this Reddit discussion started a debate within TED about how to handle claims of pseudoscience.

Link: http://www.reddit.com/r/tedtalks/commen ... he_mud_in/

*** Dec 8th, 2012 ***
The Reddit thread catches the attention of the TED staff and then a week later the Director of TEDx, Lara Stein (citizenstein), posts a response to Reddit thread saying, “Thanks to this discussion we decided to take on the ‘bad science’ issue directly and openly. We agree it is an important issue.”

TED composed a detailed e-mail sent out to all of the TEDx organizers and shared it publicly.

In the Reddit thread, Stein clarifies the difference between TED and TEDx saying, “TEDx events are independently organized. While we do vet licensees carefully, we do not review or approve every speaker lineup. TEDx is an open-source, free community, based on trust and mutual respect.” Note that a lot of commenters have been conflating the difference between TED and TEDx.

Stein talks about the process of how they protect the TED brand through the TEDx license process by saying that there are rules and that “If we feel there has been a blatant disregard for the TEDx rules, we will not renew the license.” A rule violation could include “putting inappropriate speakers or a sponsor on the TEDx stage.”

Link: http://www.reddit.com/r/tedtalks/commen ... in/c7cv7ey

*** Dec 7th, 2012 ***
Stein & Emily McManus, TED.com Editor, sent out an e-mail out to all TEDx organizers warning them that “It is your job, before any speaker is booked, to check them out, and to reject bad science, pseudoscience and health hoaxes.”

They laid out guidelines to be able to spot the differences between good and bad science. For example, examples of good science are that it “does not fly in the face of the broad existing body of scientific knowledge” and “It has been published in a peer reviewed journal” Examples of bad science are that it “Has failed to convince many mainstream scientists of its truth”, “Comes from overconfident fringe experts” or if it “Speaks dismissively of mainstream science.”

They list “Red flag topics” such as”‘Healing,’ including reiki, energy fields, alternative health and placebos, crystals, pyramid power” as well as “The fusion of science and spirituality. Be especially careful of anyone trying to prove the validity of their religious beliefs and practices by using science.”

They also laid out a process by which anyone could complain about talks the they think might contain pseudoscience, and that the TED staff will pay special attention since the credibility of TED is on the line: “As a member of the community, if you do come across a talk on the TEDx YouTube channel or at a future event that you feel is presenting bad science or pseudoscience, please let us know. Bad science talks affect the credibility of TED and TEDx: it is important we get this right.”

Link: http://blog.tedx.com/post/37405280671/a ... ad-science

*** January 12th, 2013 ***
TEDxWhitechapel takes place in London where the theme is “Visions for Transition.” Rupert Sheldrake gives a talk titled “The Science Delusion” and Graham Hancock talks about “The War on Consciousness.”

The videos are published on the Official TEDxTalks YouTube channel a month later on February 13th.

Link: http://tedxwhitechapel.com/speakers/

*** March 6th, 2013 ***
A number of skeptic bloggers find Sheldrake’s TEDx video and start to complain about how it’s pseudoscience and that it’s tarnishing the TED brand.

* Self-proclaimed “Godless liberal biologist” PZ Myers writes a post titled “For Shame, TEDx” saying “I thought they were going to clean up their act and stop highlighting crackpots and kooks. But oh look: there’s Rupert Sheldrake, listing all the things he finds wrong about science.”
Link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... hame-tedx/

* ‘Token Skeptic’ podcast host Kylie Sturgess jumps in with a post titled, “Remember How TEDx Were All About Not The Bad Science, Pseudoscience And Health Hoaxes?” She links to the e-mail sent out to TEDx organizers without much else of substance about Sheldrake’s talk.
Link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/tokenskepti ... th-hoaxes/

* Evolutionary biology professor Jerry Coyne writes a post titled “TEDx talks completely discredited: Rupert Sheldrake speaks, argues that speed of light is dropping!”

Coyne uses the talk to attack the TED brand by saying, “Watch, weep, and mourn TED, now a vehicle for pseudoscience” and lamenting how TEDx have “started incorporating substandard speakers, including woomeisters” like Sheldrake, “who gives Deepak Chopra a run for the title of World’s Biggest Woomeister.” He concludes by saying, “And TED, you’d better vet your speakers from now on.”

Coyne’s blog has a detailed response to Sheldrake’s suggestion that physics constants may actually be varying and lists other grievances about Sheldrake’s “general attitude that science is DOING IT RONG.” [sic]

Link: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... -dropping/

*** March 7, 2013 ***
Coyne is an atheist and makes the observation that Emily McManus, one of the editors at TED.com, also lists herself as an atheist on her TED bio. Coyne sent her an e-mail and received a same-day response that publishes the next day on the 7th.

At this point, I suspect that the TED team had received enough flak that they were likely already strongly leaning towards taking the video down. McManus’ team reviewed the video all day and started compiling a list of reasons to potentially justify pulling it down, but they were also opening up the process for community feedback and review.

McManus says, “my team is both analyzing it for content and pulling together a list of the specific issues with it. It’s good practice for us to prepare a comprehensive list like this — we learn a lot from engaging.”

At the end of the e-mail, McManus takes note to say that “I appreciate your thoughtful blog post and comments. Please know that you have been heard.”

Link: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... -weigh-in/

*** March 7, 2013 ***
Emily McManus posts an open thread saying that Sheldrake’s is “under review by the TED team” and they’re asking for feedback on talk.

She notes “we’re grateful to those who’ve written about this talk in other forums, including but not limited to Jerry Coyne, PZ Myers, Kylie Sturgess and some thoughtful Redditors.” Note that these are the authors of the posts linked above.

The discussion ends with 478 comments, and McManus notes that “We won’t be able to make a decision that pleases every single flavor of opinion on this thread, but: You have been heard.”

Link: https://www.ted.com/conversations/16894 ... _talk.html

*** March 10, 2013 ***
Coyne flags another TEDx talk in a post called “More woo and anti-science rants at TEDx.” He says, “First we had Rupert “can-dogs-find-their-way-home” Sheldrake peddling woo and antiscience at TEDx Whitechapel, and now, at the very same venue, we see Graham Hancock decrying materialism and spouting woo and pseudoarchaeology.”

Conye rejects some of Hancock’s claims, says that “taking drugs is not a substitute for science” and “I strongly decry [Hancock's] anti-science rant that begins at 9:50.” Conye agrees that consciousness is a mystery, “but if anything will help us solve it, it will be reductionist science—certainly not woo or spirituality!”

Coyne debates whether it’d be called censorship to pressure TED to take the videos down, but then sites this passage from the TEDx rules page:
“Speakers must be able to confirm the claims presented in every talk — TED and TEDx are exceptional stages for showcasing advances in science, and we can only stay that way if the claims presented in our talks can stand up to scrutiny from the scientific community. TED is also not the right platform for talks with an inflammatory political or religious agenda, nor polarizing ‘us vs them’ language. If Talks fail to meet the standards above, TED reserves the right to insist on their removal.”

Coyne notes how both Hancock and Sheldrake used a lot of “us vs them” rhetoric, and he claims that they made false claims in their talks. He says that “TEDx has the right to remove talks that abrogate these rules… and it should remove Hancock’s and Sheldrake’s videos. If they don’t, it will simply confirm a growing view that TED and its subsidiaries are moving away from good science and heading toward Deepak and Oprah.”

Link: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... s-at-tedx/

*** March 13th, 2013 ***
TED sends a letter to TEDxWhitechapel alerting them that “we have decided that Rupert Sheldrake’s and Graham Hancock’s talks from TEDxWhiteChapel should be removed from the TEDx YouTube channel and any other distribution platform currently hosting the videos.”

The bulk of the message and results of the scientific board is published in the “Open for discussion” post above.

One thing that is different is that the video was being requested to be removed from all video distribution channels and that they inform the presenters. From the letter passed onto Graham: “We request that you, as the TEDx licensee responsible for this talk, delete the videos from YouTube and inform Sheldrake and Hancock that the videos have been removed.”

The letter is passed onto Hancock, and he published it on his Facebook page on March 14th alerting his fans of the impeding censorship.

NOTE: No where does it say that the videos would be posted on the TED site for further discussion. Note that this blog post was posted after the videos were marked as private, and after there was an outcry of censorship from Graham and his supporters.

NOTE: It appears as though Conye’s blog post was the catalyst for Hancock’s talk being flagged as pseudoscience along with Sheldrake’s video, but it’s unclear if Hancock’s video also had a public review process similar to Sheldrake.

Link: https://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamH ... 1393237354

*** March 14th, 2013 ***
Graham Hancock makes an initial Facebook post alerting his fans of the impending censorship and says that “I am fighting these charges from TED’s Science Board which in my opinion are untrue and amount to nothing more than an ideologically driven attempt to censor my work.”

Link: https://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamH ... 1245272354

*** March 14th, 2013 ***
The videos are marked private on the TEDxTalks channel, thereby breaking all embedded links to the video and making it not searchable via YouTube.

Hancock posts another message saying, “Further to my last two statuses I am disgusted to report that TED has indeed hidden my “War on Consciousness” presentation and Rupert Sheldrake’s “Science Delusion” presentation on the TEDx Youtube channel. Both videos are now marked as private and so no member of the public can now view them or make up their own minds about them. If this is how science operates, by silencing those who express opposing views rather than by debating with them, then science is dead and we are in a new era of the Inquisition.”

NOTE: At this point TED had not communicated directly to Hancock that they were planning on reposting the videos on their blog. At this point the videos were for all intents and purposes censored and removed from the Internet. Copies of the video start appearing on YouTube as encouraged by Hancock because he was informed by TEDxWhitechapel that it would be permanently removed.

Link: https://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamH ... 1414982354

*** March 14th, 2013 ***
Following complaints of censorship, TED decides to publish the two videos in an unlisted channel on Vimeo and on their blog post titled “Open for discussion: Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake from TEDxWhitechapel.”

An unnamed “Tedstaff” user says, “We’re not censoring the talks. Instead we’re placing them here, where they can be framed to highlight both their provocative ideas and the factual problems with their arguments.”

The videos can’t be embedded on any other page than this blog post on the TED website, and the videos can’t be searched or seen on Vimeo or the TEDConversations page at http://vimeo.com/tedconversations.

Link: http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/

*** March 14, 2013 ***
Hancock responds after this blog post that “TED have now rushed to create a remote corner of their website, which I imagine they hope no-one will see, where our talks have been put back online and may be debated.”

Hancock claims that this move is still a form of censorship because it has created broken links in YouTube and erased the view counts that show public traction and interest: “On the one hand they take down two videos from Youtube that had generated enormous public interest and traction (mine had received over 130,000 views and Rupert’s over 35,000 views). Then as soon as TED is tagged for censorship (did they hope we wouldn’t notice?) they put the videos up again in a remote place, which cannot benefit from URL sharing by any of the previous 160,000-plus viewers and which is, thus, to all extents and purposes invisible.”

It also appears as though neither Sheldrake or Hancock were informed of these discussions to participate or defend themselves against certain claims of pseudoscience. Hancock says, “TED did not approach either Rupert or myself in advance for any refutation of the ‘factual problems’ they allege in our presentations. In fact I refute all these so-called ‘factual problems’ with regard to my own presentation.”

He says that “The whole concept of this manoeuver by TED is worrying and insulting. It implies that TED believes it has the right to act as arbiter of the context in which my presentation and Rupert’s presentation is received rather than simply putting what we have to say before an intelligent public and letting the public decide. It also suggests that TED believe the public are incapable of making up their own minds about our arguments without approved scientists first highlighting ‘the problems’ with our arguments.”

Hancock links to the blog post encouraging his fans to register and comment on how TED shouldn’t get away with censorship regardless of how they try to spin it as ‘radical openness.’

Link: https://www.facebook.com/GrahamHancockD ... 1193859710

*** March 14, 2013 ***
Many of Hancock’s fans rush to this TED blog post to complain about censorship with an emotional intensity that upsets the curator of TED, Chris Anderson.

NOTE: The blog post didn’t link to the historical context for the removal of Hancock’s video. The only link was to a discussion about Sheldrake’s videos and no extensive criticism about Hancock’s presentation. The only criticism and discussion that I found was Coyne’s blog post.

One commenter says, “One of the best TED presentations is being censored… really?”

Anderson replied: “Really not. You’re looking at it. Taking our responsibilities as a platform seriously means we have to act on a talk regarded as absurd by mainstream science. But we’re more than happy for a conversation about it to continue, if only to clarify the fuzzy gray line between science and pseudo-science. Right now this comment section is over-run by the hordes of supporters sent our way by Graham Hancock. It would be nice for you to calm down and actually read some of the criticisms of his work so that you can get a more balanced view point. And meanwhile, we’ll be reading the views of anyone who’ll be patient enough to express them in a reasoned way …as opposed to throwing around shrieks of censorship when nothing of the kind has happened. Thank you”

Link: http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for ... sheldrake/

*** March 14, 2013 ***
Hancock posts three specific refutations of alleged claims in the comment section stating that “I would like TED to identify where exactly in my talk these alleged ‘many inaccuracies’ occur.”

This request went unanswered for most of the day until Anderson posted later in the day that he was going to “reach out and see if any of our advisors is able to go into more depth in answering your specific questions.”

QUESTIONS FOR TED STAFF:
* Who are the members on TED’s Science Board?
* Why weren’t Sheldrake or Hancock informed and provided an opportunity to respond to these allegations before having an anonymous Science Board frame their presentation?
* If you weren’t intending on censoring the videos, then why didn’t you tell TEDxWhitechapel that the videos would live on in a special section of the site, and thereby clearly communicate that to Hancock & Sheldrake this plan? Why did you instead tell TEDxWhitechapel, “Graham Hancock’s talks from TEDxWhiteChapel should be removed from the TEDx YouTube channel and any other distribution platform currently hosting the videos” and to “delete the videos from YouTube and inform Sheldrake and Hancock that the videos have been removed”? Can you possibly see how this might be interpreted by Hancock and his fans as censorship?
* Why did you not provide specific quotes from Hancock’s talk, which has lead to what Hancock and others claim is a mischaracterization of what he was saying?
* Why wasn’t Hancock’s video provided the same public review process as Sheldrake’s video?


Here's one former Fellow's take on the TED org., he compares it to a cult.

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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby bks » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:39 pm

Thanks for this SLAD!

Interesting to see New Atheism linked to the boundary work that's being done here. Whenever you see boundary work being done, you know something important is at stake.

Boundary work, cultural authority,
and the role of ideology in licensing discourse
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The construction of boundaries (discursive or material) are responses to milieu in which a threat is implied: the threat of transgression. Robert Gieryn (1983) coined the phrase "boundary-work" to describe the way scientists seek to demarcate “unique and essential characteristics of science that distinguish it from other kinds of intellectual activities." Gieryn argues that boundary-work describes an "ideological style" in which scientists seek to create a favorable image of scientific activity through comparisons with other discourses that are depicted as lacking in the positive qualities scientific inquiry is said to possess. Gieryn examines intellectual controversies from history in which science was pitted against religion, mechanics, and pseudoscience. What he finds is that science can be, and has been, described differently depending on the cultural challenger in question, and that the particular description of science forwarded during times of intellectual controversy depends on which characteristics of science are most likely to perform the work of demarcation desired. Gieryn concludes that science, even as described by its staunchest defenders, "is no single thing," and efforts to demarcate a boundary between it and other intellectual discourses are ideological, rather than purely descriptive, in nature.


Gieryn notes:

the analysis begins to identify occasions where boundary-work is a likely stylistic resource for ideologists of a profession or occupation: (a) when the goal is expansion of authority or expertise into domains claimed by other professions or occupations, boundary-workh eightenst he contrast between rivals in ways flattering to the ideologists' side; (b) when the goal is monopolization of professional authority and resources, boundary-work excludes rivals from within by defining them as outsiders with labels such as "pseudo," "deviant," or "amateur"; (c) when the goal is protection of autonomy over professional activities, boundary-work exempts members from responsibility for consequences of their work by putting the blame on scapegoats from outside.


Monopolization boundary work at work. No encroachments on science allowed.
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Postby undead » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:08 pm

Okay, now that I already posted my evenhanded comment, I am going to be nasty and say fuck TED. Just a big, expensive technocratic circle jerk that obviously will not allow anyone to challenge its own paradigm, from the direction of the materialist left or the spiritual science perspective. And all the while claiming to be about challenging paradigms, which is the really goofy and hypocritical part. I haven't payed any attention to it and now feel good about ignoring it after hearing these examples. I'm sure some good speakers get in some times but as a medium it appears to be clearly inside the box of corporate industry.

That being said some good speakers get through.

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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby FourthBase » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:15 pm

Not just some speakers, but a LOT of good speakers, thinkers, doers.
TED on a whole is good, useful. Which explains why there'd be pressure to censor it.
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Re: TED Deletes Talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock

Postby brekin » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:39 pm

I don't know, most of the TED I've seen has been inspirational but in a very "beyond politics" sort of way.
It would be interesting to know who the radicalist speaker they've had on, in a challenging power structure sense,
not a Deepak Chopra or neo-Whole Earth Catalog vein has been? To me it seems they are a upbeat form of social engineering for those who think good vibes, smarts and technology will free us from some very dirty political realities. I always imagine their demographic are those who buy Patagonia but are also fans of the newer Star Treks.

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I did catch part of a "TEDx Holy Land" http://thenewjew.wordpress.com/2010/12/ ... -holyland/ which to me was just bizarre and seems to tip into the worst of TED's let's work on
the solution without hurting anyone's feelings. Part of me feels like TED's format has been set up to siphon off the audience for investigative journalism documentaries with the promise of pre-packaged solutions. I hear there is a TEDx Ramallah,
http://www.tedxramallah.com/en/home/

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What I find curious about these TEDx shows/events is that they specifically seek to distance themselves from them, but are obviously involved and in alignment with them. Curious that they in general are so apolitical and then go through the extra step of further distancing themselves from political hotspots. The whole TEDx in the middle east leaves me with a funny feeling. I haven't had time to follow up on the speakers or topics but just have a strange feeling. Here's the verbiage from TEDx Ramallah;
What is TEDx?

In the spirit of ideas worth spreading, TED has created a program called TEDx. TEDx is a program of local, self-organized events that bring people together to share a TED-LIKE experience. Our event is called TEDxRamallah, where x = independently organized TED event. At our TEDxRamallah event, TEDTalks video and live speakers will combine to spark deep discussion and connection in a small group. The TED Conference provides general guidance for the TEDx program, but individual TEDx events, including ours, are self-organized.

http://www.tedxramallah.com/en/home/
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