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Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:57 pm
by justdrew
Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears
By Rick Nauert PhD Senior News Editor
Reviewed by John M. Grohol, Psy.D. on April 17, 2013

Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential FearsNew research suggests acetaminophen (Tylenol) may help individuals overcome non-specific fear and anxiety brought about by thinking about death or the human condition.

According to lead researcher Daniel Randles and colleagues at the University of British Columbia, the new findings suggest that Tylenol may have more profound psychological effects than previously understood.

The study, which posits an expanded view of how the human brain processes different kinds of pain, is published in the journal Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.

“Pain exists in many forms, including the distress that people feel when exposed to thoughts of existential uncertainty and death,” says Randles.

“Our study suggests these anxieties may be processed as ‘pain’ by the brain — but Tylenol seems to inhibit the signal telling the brain that something is wrong.”

The study builds on recent American research that found acetaminophen — the generic form of Tylenol — can successfully reduce the non-physical pain of being ostracized from friends.

Prior research has also determined that when the richness, order and meaning in life is threatened — with thoughts of death, for instance — people tend to reassert their basic values as a coping mechanism.

Randles and colleagues speculated that the existentialist suffering we face with thoughts of death might involve similar brain processes. If so, they asked, would it be possible to reduce that suffering with a simple pain medicine?

The researchers had participants take either Tylenol brand acetaminophen or a sugar pill placebo in a double-blind study.

One group of participants was asked to write about what would happen to their body after they die, and the control group was asked to write about having dental pain, an unpleasant but not existentially distressing thought.

All the participants were then asked to read an arrest report about a prostitute, and to set the amount for bail.

Just as expected, the control group that wrote about dental pain — who weren’t made to feel an existentialist threat — gave relatively low bail amounts, only about $300. They didn’t feel the need to assert their values.

On the other hand, the participants who wrote about their own death and were given a sugar pill gave over $500 for bail — about 40 percent more than the dental pain group, in line with previous studies. They responded to the threat on life’s meaning and order by affirming their basic values, perhaps as a coping mechanism.

But, the participants in this group who took Tylenol were not nearly as harsh in setting bail. These results suggest that their existential suffering was “treated” by the headache drug.

A second study confirmed these results using video clips. People who watched a surreal video by director David Lynch and took the sugar pill judged a group of rioters following a hockey game most harshly, while those who watched the video and took Tylenol were more lenient.

The study demonstrates that existentialist dread is not limited to thinking about death, but might generalize to any scenario that is confusing or surprising — such as an unsettling movie.

“We’re still taken aback that we’ve found that a drug used primarily to alleviate headaches can also make people numb to the worry of thinking about their deaths, or to the uneasiness of watching a surrealist film,” says Randles.

The researchers believe that these studies may have implications for clinical interventions down the road.

“For people who suffer from chronic anxiety, or are overly sensitive to uncertainty, this work may shed some light on what is happening and how their symptoms could be reduced,” Randles concludes.

While the findings suggest that acetaminophen can help to reduce anxiety, the researchers caution that further research – and clinical trials – must occur before acetaminophen should be considered a safe or effective treatment for anxiety.


an earlier report on this:
http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/12/22/acetaminophen-for-mental-health-relief/10357.html

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:35 pm
by justdrew
FYI - I tried this for a couple months. two 500mg a day morning and evening. It really seemed to help significantly, but obviously could have just been a placebo effect. but still, dang. stopped the daily Acetaminophen a couple weeks ago, and things still looking up. (but lots of other positive changes have happened since too, so...)

anyway, a cheap and easy "thing to try"

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:31 pm
by 82_28
Tylenol has many different advertisement approaches. One of these advertisement campaigns focuses on "getting you back to normal", whereas the other commercials focus on Tylenol's current slogan, "Feel better, Tylenol". In the "Feel better, Tylenol" commercials, Tylenol places emphasis on the importance of sleep; various people are seen sleeping in this commercial while a voiceover describes how sleep can help repair and heal the human body during times of aches and pains.[14] In the "getting you back to normal" commercial, Tylenol places more emphasis on helping its consumers get back to their daily routines; many different people are shown first experiencing headaches and other sorts of body pain, where a voiceover then states that Tylenol Rapid Release can help rid aches and pains; the various people are then showed enjoying their everyday lives, and are seen as "back to normal".[15]

In an older commercial from 1986, Tylenol emphasized that it is the drug that American hospitals trust the most. In this ad, Susan Sullivan told the consumer that Tylenol was a drug that could be trusted by Americans since many doctors also trusted it; she went on to state that doctors prescribed Tylenol four times more often than the other leading pain relieving drugs combined.[16]


Anyways, I probably took more of that shit in my infancy than most people in an entire lifetime. They blamed it on some "liver issue" they never identified. I spent the rest of my life with anxiety, insomnia and OCD. Insomnia is basically not a worry any longer. Whatever happened to the little orange chewable pills for kids?

I've got existential problems! I hold it together for the most part, but I got 'em and always have.

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:48 pm
by justdrew
well, they've got a new slogan now...

"Tylenol, protects against existential dread."

82_28, I'm surprised they'd give you much of it if you were already having liver issues. but the worst that should have been able to happen is liver failure, and it doesn't seem like you had that, thank goodness :)

A second study confirmed these results using video clips. People who watched a surreal video by director David Lynch and took the sugar pill judged a group of rioters following a hockey game most harshly, while those who watched the video and took Tylenol were more lenient.


I wonder what they used? Rabbits?


Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:27 am
by ShinShinKid
I've been told by more than one doctor that Tylenol, acetaminophen, is the most dangerous OTC drug on the market. Something about the damage is does to the liver, and how some young people take an overdose to cry out for attention(suicide attempt), then die the most agonizing death waiting for a liver transplant.

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:36 am
by brainpanhandler
the OP author wrote:Prior research has also determined that when the richness, order and meaning in life is threatened — with thoughts of death, for instance — people tend to reassert their basic values as a coping mechanism.


I'd argue that the richness, order and meaning in life can be enhanced by thoughts of death.

I stopped taking acetaminophen years ago because of the reported liver damage it can cause. But I still keep a bottle around for severe headaches I get from time to time. Used in conjunction with ibuprofen it's about the only otc medication that helps.

Out of curiosity and based on these reports of it's psychotropic/mood altering effects I've been experimenting with it. Always ready to give 'better life through chemistry' a try.

The results are inconclusive so far.

However, if anyone is looking for a natural compound to treat anxiety I cannot recommend Sceletium Tortuosum enough.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:17 pm
by Perelandra
Interesting article, drew.

I'd like to know more about your experience with that plant, bph.

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:49 pm
by 82_28
I've never had a headache in my life, but I did have fevers. Sure, I've had tiny headaches, but nothing that called for any OTC tabs. The last time I took Tylenol I just remember feeling funny.

Drew, I just think that the liver damage was done by the acetaminophen itself and was something they identified after the fact.

I haven't taken a non plant "drug" in years.

I've got some pretty "cool" ads about Tylenol that I have found, along with some news bits I got out of archives yesterday. I'll get to cropping and posting that stuff in a bit. But it definitely coincides with my time in hospital. There are no hits until you get to the early 70s, then it became a barrage of ads and stories touting the superiority of Tylenol over aspirin.

Re:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:04 pm
by brainpanhandler
Perelandra » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:17 am wrote:Interesting article, drew.

I'd like to know more about your experience with that plant, bph.


The wikipedia article is fairly informative, but as you can see from that article it's not very well researched.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sceletium_tortuosum


Although apparently recently a patent was granted to HG&H pharmaceuticals for an extract called Zembrin.

http://www.zembrin.com/

I don't have any experience with the extract.

I always buy the powder from these people:

http://www.africanredtea.com/sceletium.html

and make my own gel caps.

It's advantages over other ssri's is that it does not take a month to work and it does not have global effects on my emotions. Strangely enough it seems to act exclusively on my anxiety and sadness. It works for me within a couple of hours! when taken orally and continues to work for awhile. It seems to have residual effects even after I stop taking it. Smoking it has an immediate effect.

And I can confirm this from the wikipedia article:

Some reports suggest a synergy with cannabis.[3]


They don't potentiate each other. Rather they compliment each other.

And as a bonus, if you're trying to lose some weight, it really does seem to have an appetite suppressant effect.

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:15 pm
by justdrew
ShinShinKid » 18 Jun 2013 08:27 wrote:I've been told by more than one doctor that Tylenol, acetaminophen, is the most dangerous OTC drug on the market. Something about the damage is does to the liver, and how some young people take an overdose to cry out for attention(suicide attempt), then die the most agonizing death waiting for a liver transplant.


true, it is the #1 cause of acute liver failure in 'the west' - but as long as one stays under the dose guidelines the liver should have no trouble detoxing the metabolite that causes the problems (its only about 15% of the metabolites produced). but I've got other things for the liver to be focused on atm so discontinued it after about 7 weeks. The possible benefit came after about a weeks use, 500mg morning and 500mg 12 hours later. Sometimes interrupting a nervous signal like that can put a lasting stop to it as the signal may have kinda 'got stuck in a loop' - anyway, I noticed a change in sorta 'default mental state' one day and was actually surprised at how good I was feeling. Certainly could have been placebo, but maybe not. This is one of the few pain killers that acts on the CNS vs PNS.

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:43 pm
by ShinShinKid
Erowid's got the usual good info on it:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/kanna/

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:59 am
by swindled69
You know it's funny. I see more and more of this crap everywhere. "It'll help you"!! They say! Well they do say a lot, don't they....

In the past two years I've lost almost a hundred pounds just by eating right, exercise and meditation. No after effects at all after losing that much weight which except feeling better. No more processed food, no more microwave, no more gluten laced rat poison to kill me, no.fucking.thank.you


I used to not believe in any of this "the food is killing us thing" but it is, rite along with all the other shit they say "helps" us.

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:05 am
by norton ash
Acetaminophen kills and sickens around these parts because of opiate addiction. There's a tablet preparation of codeine-acetaminophen-caffeine one can request from a pharmacist containing a low dose of codeine-- the problem is that users often take 20-30-40 of the damn things. The codeine eases their existential fears until they can get their hands on stronger opiates, but it's the acetaminophen that crashes their livers.

Word on the street since the early 90's (in my experience) among alkies and heavy drinkers was never to take tylenol. That advice originally came from honest doctors, who knew what it took pharma decades to finally reveal to the public.

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:37 pm
by Burnt Hill
justdrew » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:48 pm wrote:well, they've got a new slogan now...

"Tylenol, protects against existential dread."

82_28, I'm surprised they'd give you much of it if you were already having liver issues. but the worst that should have been able to happen is liver failure, and it doesn't seem like you had that, thank goodness :)

A second study confirmed these results using video clips. People who watched a surreal video by director David Lynch and took the sugar pill judged a group of rioters following a hockey game most harshly, while those who watched the video and took Tylenol were more lenient.


I wonder what they used? Rabbits?



Rabbits was used as a stimulus in a psychological experiment on the effects of acetaminophen on existential crisis. The research, in a paper entitled "The Common Pain of Surrealism and Death" suggested that acetaminophen acted to suppress the effects of surrealism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_(film)

Re: Acetaminophen Seems to Ease Some Existential Fears

PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:42 pm
by justdrew
Burnt Hill » 19 Jun 2013 11:37 wrote:Rabbits was used as a stimulus in a psychological experiment on the effects of acetaminophen on existential crisis. The research, in a paper entitled "The Common Pain of Surrealism and Death" suggested that acetaminophen acted to suppress the effects of surrealism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_(film)


ha! can I call em or what? :eeyaa