Well Beyond the Reach of Satire. War on Terror Permanent

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Well Beyond the Reach of Satire. War on Terror Permanent

Postby 82_28 » Sun May 19, 2013 11:49 pm

OK. So most people don't really give a fuck about the dudes down the street or the girls down the hall. What happens to them happens to them. Yeah, you'll feel bad if something bad happened, but how could you have known?

But "government" is so fucking concerned about "terrorism". What's missing here is that these government assholes all the way up to president HAVE FUCKING SECURITY detail. No matter where they go, they are supposedly tirelessly and comprehensively protected. 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of people live on Earth and do not get this kind of technocratic answer to how we make ourselves "secure". We wind up getting terrorized and getting protected. Who the fuck fucking cares? I want to wander or not wander when, where and if I want to. But why the fuck do they "care so much about us"?

I walk down the street and never in fear of being accosted -- I could be accosted! But these assholes, in perpetual "fear", feigned concern and the needless need for a WAR on terrorism think we're all just not keeping up with them and the perpetual bullshit. It just isn't real until it is. And when it is, we see that there are a number of sharks that they can jump and they print sharks as they do money.

Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent

Senior Obama officials tell the US Senate: the 'war', in limitless form, will continue for 'at least' another decade - or two

Last October, senior Obama officials anonymously unveiled to the Washington Post their newly minted "disposition matrix", a complex computer system that will be used to determine how a terrorist suspect will be "disposed of": indefinite detention, prosecution in a real court, assassination-by-CIA-drones, etc. Their rationale for why this was needed now, a full 12 years after the 9/11 attack:

Among senior Obama administration officials, there is a broad consensus that such operations are likely to be extended at least another decade. Given the way al-Qaida continues to metastasize, some officials said no clear end is in sight. . . . That timeline suggests that the United States has reached only the midpoint of what was once known as the global war on terrorism."

On Thursday, the Senate Armed Services Committee held a hearing on whether the statutory basis for this "war" - the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) - should be revised (meaning: expanded). This is how Wired's Spencer Ackerman (soon to be the Guardian US's national security editor) described the most significant exchange:

"Asked at a Senate hearing today how long the war on terrorism will last, Michael Sheehan, the assistant secretary of defense for special operations and low-intensity conflict, answered, 'At least 10 to 20 years.' . . . A spokeswoman, Army Col. Anne Edgecomb, clarified that Sheehan meant the conflict is likely to last 10 to 20 more years from today - atop the 12 years that the conflict has already lasted. Welcome to America's Thirty Years War."

That the Obama administration is now repeatedly declaring that the "war on terror" will last at least another decade (or two) is vastly more significant than all three of this week's big media controversies (Benghazi, IRS, and AP/DOJ) combined. The military historian Andrew Bacevich has spent years warning that US policy planners have adopted an explicit doctrine of "endless war". Obama officials, despite repeatedly boasting that they have delivered permanently crippling blows to al-Qaida, are now, as clearly as the English language permits, openly declaring this to be so.

It is hard to resist the conclusion that this war has no purpose other than its own eternal perpetuation. This war is not a means to any end but rather is the end in itself. Not only is it the end itself, but it is also its own fuel: it is precisely this endless war - justified in the name of stopping the threat of terrorism - that is the single greatest cause of that threat.

In January, former Pentagon general counsel Jeh Johnson delivered a highly-touted speech suggesting that the war on terror will eventually end; he advocated that outcome, arguing:

'War' must be regarded as a finite, extraordinary and unnatural state of affairs. We must not accept the current conflict, and all that it entails, as the 'new normal.'"


In response, I wrote that the "war on terror" cannot and will not end on its own for two reasons: (1) it is designed by its very terms to be permanent, incapable of ending, since the war itself ironically ensures that there will never come a time when people stop wanting to bring violence back to the US (the operational definition of "terrorism"), and (2) the nation's most powerful political and economic factions reap a bonanza of benefits from its continuation. Whatever else is true, it is now beyond doubt that ending this war is the last thing on the mind of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner and those who work at the highest levels of his administration. Is there any way they can make that clearer beyond declaring that it will continue for "at least" another 10-20 years?

The genius of America's endless war machine is that, learning from the unplesantness of the Vietnam war protests, it has rendered the costs of war largely invisible. That is accomplished by heaping all of the fighting burden on a tiny and mostly economically marginalized faction of the population, by using sterile, mechanized instruments to deliver the violence, and by suppressing any real discussion in establishment media circles of America's innocent victims and the worldwide anti-American rage that generates.

Though rarely visible, the costs are nonetheless gargantuan. Just in financial terms, as Americans are told they must sacrifice Social Security and Medicare benefits and place their children in a crumbling educational system, the Pentagon remains the world's largest employer and continues to militarily outspend the rest of the world by a significant margin. The mythology of the Reagan presidency is that he induced the collapse of the Soviet Union by luring it into unsustainable military spending and wars: should there come a point when we think about applying that lesson to ourselves?

Then there are the threats to Americans' security. Having their government spend decades proudly touting itself as "A Nation at War" and bringing horrific violence to the world is certain to prompt more and more people to want to attack Americans, as the US government itself claims took place just recently in Boston (and as clearly took place multiple other times over the last several years).

And then there's the most intangible yet most significant cost: each year of endless war that passes further normalizes the endless rights erosions justified in its name. The second term of the Bush administration and first five years of the Obama presidency have been devoted to codifying and institutionalizing the vast and unchecked powers that are typically vested in leaders in the name of war. Those powers of secrecy, indefinite detention, mass surveillance, and due-process-free assassination are not going anywhere. They are now permanent fixtures not only in the US political system but, worse, in American political culture.

Each year that passes, millions of young Americans come of age having spent their entire lives, literally, with these powers and this climate fixed in place: to them, there is nothing radical or aberrational about any of it. The post-9/11 era is all they have been trained to know. That is how a state of permanent war not only devastates its foreign targets but also degrades the population of the nation that prosecutes it.

This war will end only once Americans realize the vast and multi-faceted costs they are bearing so that the nation's political elites can be empowered and its oligarchs can further prosper. But Washington clearly has no fear that such realizations are imminent. They are moving in the other direction: aggressively planning how to further entrench and expand this war.

One might think that if there is to be a debate over the 12-year-old AUMF, it would be about repealing it. Democratic Congresswoman Barbara Lee, who heroically cast the only vote against it when it was originally enacted by presciently warning of how abused it would be, has been advocating its repeal for some time now in favor of using reasonable security measures to defend against such threats and standard law enforcement measures to punish them (which have proven far more effective than military solutions). But just as happened in 2001, neither she nor her warnings are deemed sufficiently Serious even to consider, let alone embrace.

Instead, the Washington AUMF "debate" recognizes only two positions: (1) Congress should codify expanded powers for the administration to fight a wider war beyond what the 2001 AUMF provides (that's the argument recently made by the supreme war-cheerleaders-from-a-safe-distance at the Washington Post editorial page and their favorite war-justifying think tank theorists, and the one being made by many Senators from both parties), or (2) the administration does not need any expanded authority because it is already free to wage a global war with very few limits under the warped "interpretation" of the AUMF which both the Bush and Obama DOJs have successfully persuaded courts to accept (that's the Obama administration's position). In other words, the shared premise is that the US government must continue to wage unlimited, permanent war, and the only debate is whether that should happen under a new law or the old one.

Just to convey a sense for how degraded is this Washington "debate": Obama officials at yesterday's Senate hearing repeatedly insisted that this "war" is already one without geographical limits and without any real conceptual constraints. The AUMF's war power, they said, "stretches from Boston to the [tribal areas of Pakistan]" and can be used "anywhere around the world, including inside Syria, where the rebel Nusra Front recently allied itself with al-Qaida's Iraq affiliate, or even what Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) called 'boots on the ground in Congo'". The acting general counsel of the Pentagon said it even "authorized war against al-Qaida's associated forces in Mali, Libya and Syria". Newly elected independent Sen. Angus King of Maine said after listening to how the Obama administration interprets its war powers under the AUMF:

This is the most astounding and most astoundingly disturbing hearing that I've been to since I've been here. You guys have essentially rewritten the Constitution today."


Former Bush DOJ official Jack Goldsmith, who testified at the hearing, summarized what was said after it was over: Obama officials argued that "they had domestic authority to use force in Mali, Syria, Libya, and Congo, against Islamist terrorist threats there"; that "they were actively considering emerging threats and stated that it was possible they would need to return to Congress for new authorities against those threats but did not at present need new authorities"; that "the conflict authorized by the AUMF was not nearly over"; and that "several members of the Committee were surprised by the breadth of DOD's interpretation of the AUMF." Conveying the dark irony of America's war machine, seemingly lifted right out of the Cold War era film Dr. Strangelove, Goldsmith added:

Amazingly, there is a very large question even in the Armed Services Committee about who the United States is at war against and where, and how those determinations are made."

Nobody really even knows with whom the US is at war, or where. Everyone just knows that it is vital that it continue in unlimited form indefinitely.

In response to that, the only real movement in Congress is to think about how to enact a new law to expand the authorization even further. But it's a worthless and illusory debate, affecting nothing other than the pretexts and symbols used to justify what will, in all cases, be a permanent and limitless war. The Washington AUMF debate is about nothing other than whether more fig leafs are needed to make it all pretty and legal.

The Obama administration already claims the power to wage endless and boundless war, in virtually total secrecy, and without a single meaningful check or constraint. No institution with any power disputes this. To the contrary, the only ones which exert real influence - Congress, the courts, the establishment media, the plutocratic class - clearly favor its continuation and only think about how further to enable it. That will continue unless and until Americans begin to realize just what a mammoth price they're paying for this ongoing splurge of war spending and endless aggression.
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Although I'm no fan of mindless partisan hackery, one must acknowledge, if one is to be honest, that sometimes it produces high comedy of the type few other afflictions are capable of producing.

On a related note: when Attorney General Eric Holder spoke about the DOJ's subpoeans for AP's phone records - purportedly issued in order to find the source for AP's story about a successfully thwarted terror attack from Yemen - he made this claim about the leak they were investigating: "if not the most serious, it is within the top two or three most serious leaks that I have ever seen." But yesterday, the Washington Post reported that CIA officials gave the go-ahead to AP to report the story, based in part on the fact that the administration itself planned to make a formal announcement boasting of their success in thwarting the plot. Meanwhile, the invaluable Marcy Wheeler today makes a strong case that the Obama administration engaged in a fear-mongering campaign over this plot that they knew at the time was false - all for the purpose of justifying the president's newly announced "signature drone strikes" in Yemen.

The key lesson from all of this should have been learned long ago: nothing is less reliable than unchecked claims from political officials that their secret conduct is justified by National Security Threats and the desire to Keep Us Safe.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... rror-obama
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Re: Well Beyond the Reach of Satire. War on Terror Permanen

Postby Nordic » Mon May 20, 2013 12:44 am

Job security for the Masters of the Universe.
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon May 20, 2013 12:54 am

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Postby 8bitagent » Mon May 20, 2013 7:39 am

If there is a true "powers that be" beyond the visible echelon in some David Ickian paradigm, ya can bet when they meet up they still have a laugh over the "war on terror" thing.

"hahaha...we even got the liberals believing this shit...here have another drink".
I mean when "they" control *both* the proxy Sunni extremists and the "white crusader" response(along with the fake war on terror rationale) sadly they're gonna have the last laugh.

I really wish I could believe in "blowback" like a 'normal' person. Life would be so much easier!

Still, it's strange that the spirit of the 1960's anti Vietnam vibe has completely died and or been heavily co-opted. Oh what I wouldnt give to go back in time and be with real anti war progressives.
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Postby elfismiles » Thu May 22, 2014 2:35 pm

White House hosts senators for ‘bizarre’ secret foreign policy meeting
By Olivier Knox, Yahoo News 21 hours ago

U.S. Senator Bob Corker (R-Tennessee) talks to reporters after the weekly Republican caucus luncheon at the U.S. …
White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough and National Security Adviser Susan Rice met with a bipartisan delegation of senators late Tuesday for secret talks focused on foreign policy, several sources with knowledge of the discussion told Yahoo News.

Sen. Bob Corker, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, alluded to the meeting on Wednesday, as the panel held a hearing on whether and how to overhaul the signature law of the global war on terrorism.

“I know we both attended sort of a discussion last night that I found to be one of the most bizarre I've attended on Foreign Relations on foreign policy in our country,” Corker said at one point, referring to himself and Sen. Bob Menendez (D.-New Jersey), the committee’s chairman.

“I know several of us were involved in a very bizarre discussion last night. This continues a very bizarre discussion,” Corker said at another point.

The Tennessee Republican did not say where or with whom the meeting took place (or why it was bizarre).

The White House later confirmed the meeting. National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said McDonough hosted "an informal discussion on national security issues," and that Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken attended.

"This session was part of our ongoing efforts to consult with the Congress on issues important to the president," she said.

In addition to Corker and Menendez, Senators Susan Collins (R.-Maine), Carl Levin (D-Michigan), Jon Tester (D.-Montana) and John Walsh (D.-Montana) also attended the meeting, according to the sources, who requested anonymity.

Aides to most of those senators declined to discuss the meeting on the record. The lone exception was Tester. His communications director, Marnee Banks, confirmed the meeting and directed Yahoo News to the senator's public schedule, which lists the meeting.

The White House had not announced the gathering before it happened.

The secret meeting came at a time of increasing bipartisan frustration with the White House over the 2001 law that authorized the war in Afghanistan and underpins policies like indefinite detention without charge and drone strikes.

In a speech almost exactly one year ago, President Obama declared that it was time to overhaul the Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), and “determine how we can continue to fight terrorism without keeping America on a perpetual wartime footing.”

“I look forward to engaging Congress and the American people in efforts to refine, and ultimately repeal, the AUMF’s mandate. And I will not sign laws designed to expand this mandate further,” Obama said at the time. “Our systematic effort to dismantle terrorist organizations must continue. But this war, like all wars, must end. That’s what history advises. That’s what our democracy demands.”

But one year later, the administration has yet to provide Congress with suggested specific changes to the law, much less with legislative language for rewriting it.

Senators including Corker let their frustration bubble over at Wednesday’s hearing.

“Has the administration proposed any refinement or any redefinition of the AUMF? I mean, have they provided us language in terms of what they think they need to handle the current situation?” Senator Ron Johnson (R.-Wisconsin) asked the State Department’s principal deputy legal adviser, Mary McLeod.

“No, senator, we have not, “ she replied.

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-hosts ... 42750.html

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Postby 82_28 » Thu May 22, 2014 3:34 pm

I think people are getting bored, but I think there is a method to the madness -- or "life as usual". It's like a capenter's level. Just keep the bubble somewhere just outside the indicator, but close enough to be deemed level.

Is anybody not sick or bored with like, say you go to a game and get the perpetual "honoring our heroes" bullshit? Click on a link to a news site and heroes are again mentioned. I don't mean the board or myself as far as "us". Just those who gave a shit about all this and bought into it from the beginning. Just the term "hero" gives the willies. I mean, look:

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Postby NeonLX » Thu May 22, 2014 4:01 pm

But We Must Never Forget. September 11, 2001TM was the worst tragedy that has ever beset the people of this planet, in all of history. Or for that matter, it's the worst tragedy that has occurred anywhere in the whole fvcking universe.

Almost everyone I know thinks that surveillance and drones 'n' shit are cool. This includes plenty of self-described "liberals" and "libertarians".
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Postby Elihu » Thu May 22, 2014 5:05 pm

Still, it's strange that the spirit of the 1960's anti Vietnam vibe has completely died and orbeen heavily co-opted. Oh what I wouldnt give to go back in time and be with real anti war progressives.
nah, we're carrying on even now. Much better there had been no war. say what you will about america and the founding fathers and the constitution that they wrote, but it was my perception and still is my conviction that their fear of the future was governmentism, the former dragons of royalty and dictatorship discredited and in peril of their existence. what threatened then was the same problem we face today money. all the rest could be, would be, laid bare if only government and money (regardless of the pretext) could be prevented from getting together for then it becomes unrestrainable. its activities span epochs of time, it ebbs and it flows. it has become a terrible master insatiable. governmentism is the ultimate outcome of our american civil war. whites join blacks in slavery instead of blacks joining whites in freedom.
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Postby 82_28 » Thu May 22, 2014 6:25 pm

Knock Knock

Who's there?

9/11.

9/11 who?

I thought you said you'd never forget.
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Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:39 pm

Here's a podcast about the AUMF.

60 Words
This hour we pull apart one sentence, written in the hours after September 11th, 2001, that has led to the longest war in U.S. history. We examine how just 60 words of legal language have blurred the line between war and peace.

In the hours after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, a lawyer sat down in front of a computer and started writing a legal justification for taking action against those responsible. The language that he drafted and that President George W. Bush signed into law - called the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) - has at its heart one single sentence, 60 words long. Over the last decade, those 60 words have become the legal foundation for the "war on terror."

In this collaboration with BuzzFeed, reporter Gregory Johnsen tells us the story of how this has come to be one of the most important, confusing, troubling sentences of the past 12 years. We go into the meetings that took place in the chaotic days just after 9/11, speak with Congresswoman Barbara Lee and former Congressman Ron Dellums about the vote on the AUMF. We hear from former White House and State Department lawyers John Bellinger & Harold Koh. We learn how this legal language unleashed Guantanamo, Navy Seal raids and drone strikes. And we speak with journalist Daniel Klaidman, legal expert Benjamin Wittes and Virginia Senator Tim Kaine about how these words came to be interpreted, and what they mean for the future of war and peace.

This episode is included in the Radiolab #smartbinge podcast playlist at wnyc.org/smartbinge
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Postby NeonLX » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:09 pm

In the hours after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, a lawyer sat down in front of a computer and started writing a legal justification for taking action against those responsible.


Well, just who the fuck was responsible for 9/11?

If we are going to take action against "those responsible", wouldn't it be prudent to determine who that fucking was??

Jesus Christ. I simply cannot stand it anymore.
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Postby norton ash » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:13 pm

NeonLX » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:09 pm wrote:
In the hours after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, a lawyer sat down in front of a computer and started writing a legal justification for taking action against those responsible.


Well, just who the fuck was responsible for 9/11?

If we are going to take action against "those responsible", wouldn't it be prudent to determine who that fucking was??

Jesus Christ. I simply cannot stand it anymore.


I shouted out who killed the Kennedys.. when after all... it was... never mind. Let it happen, make it happen. (of Pancakes.) I'm just going to resolve to be kind and polite and helpful to us travelers in the disintegrating boat.

Right now, I'm drawn to the theory that Maude Lebowski did it, by letting an ambitious project slip beyond her control.
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Postby NeonLX » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:01 pm

Ya. It sounds cliche, but me watching the train wreck isn't going to stop it from happening.

What little energy and existence I have left needs to be channeled into something useful and beneficial. From this point on, it is all local, baby. Like, right in front of me.
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Postby Searcher08 » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:25 pm

NeonLX, have you ever come across LETS (Local Economy Trading Systems) ?
I knew a guy from Buenos Aires, who told me that when the Argentine economy crashed a a few years ago, that these type of systems saved the skin of a great many poor people.
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Postby coffin_dodger » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:42 pm

And you know, if you look at the number of Americans killed since 9/11 by terrorism, it's less than 100...
President Obama 23 July 2015


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33646542 - last paragraph.
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