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Posted: **Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:26 pm**

Reminded me a lot of the infamous Dershowitz and Finklestein debate I heard on democracy now, many years ago.

I mean, who is really speaking for the people here? Seriously?

Posted: **Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:03 pm**

OK.....ive changed the video to the full length version of "the debate" which appeared on RT.

Absolutely compulsive viewing IMHO for all riggies.

I eagerly await any thoughts.

Posted: **Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:10 pm**

John McCain looks like he's gonna blow a gasket. Of course, he always looks like that.

Damn. I've got a new hero in Ken O'Keefe. Hope he's right about people waking up to the psychopaths.

Lee Kaplan (sp?) is a buttmunch.

Thanks for the link, want to watch it again when I have more time.

Posted: **Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:03 pm**

he's right about Syria, but he's questionable in many other ways. sandyhoaxer + jews-did-911 render him useless. He says Newton is a "satanist center" here. Same video he claims Iraq was 'disarmed' and that's why they couldn't defend themselves.

a stopped clock is right twice a day. I consider it VERY possible this guy is a tool. for Who?

because he's painting a VERY shitty picture of anti-war pro-justice people.

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:44 am**

justdrew » 24 Jul 2013 23:03 wrote:he's right about Syria, but he's questionable in many other ways. sandyhoaxer + jews-did-911 render him useless. He says Newton is a "satanist center" here. Same video he claims Iraq was 'disarmed' and that's why they couldn't defend themselves.

a stopped clock is right twice a day. I consider it VERY possible this guy is a tool. for Who?

because he's painting a VERY shitty picture of anti-war pro-justice people.

Ive only seen this one video of him, although I have come across him beflore ( he was attempting to get 10k people to go to Palestine a long long time ago.

A couple of thoughts of my own about the video, and given what youve said, Drew, about O'Keefe himself.

Firstly, in that video, wasn't it really cool, how Kaplin, turned criticism of Israel into O'Keefe claiming that the Jews did 9/11 simply because he suggested that Israeli intelligence was involved? Kaplin had clearly done his research on the opponent. His rhetoric was the usual way it works with those burdened with attempting to defend the essentially indefensible. Dont talk about the issues in any serious manner, get after your opponent instead

By the sounds of things, O'Keefe's got some of his stuff kinda mixed up, like we all have from time to time on the 99.9% of the coin. Is RI doing internships?

Thirdly, his emotions and passion were typical of a truthseeker , who at least understands the general picture, even if (it sounds like your saying drew) he maybe hasnt got all of hs facts and theories in meticulous line.

But finally, essentially, he was inexorably correct about Mr Kaplin . A street prostitute sells only her body, and as such is in no way anything approaching as bad as Kaplins kind,

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:59 am**

yeah.

but I just wonder how he supports himself.

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:27 am**

justdrew » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:59 am wrote:yeah.

but I just wonder how he supports himself.

Maybe he gets donations from his good buddy, David Duke.

http://azvsas.blogspot.ca/2012/10/ken-o ... stine.html

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:38 am**

Heres another video of O'Keefe on the BBC's "hardtalk";

http://vimeo.com/46220818

If anyone can embed this I would be grateful

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:58 am**

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:04 am**

justdrew » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:59 pm wrote:yeah.

but I just wonder how he supports himself.

He seems to be another member of the "With friends like these" contingent:

http://gcupalestinesociety.wordpress.co ... itic-rant/

Ken O’Keefe tainting campus Palestine activism with his anti-Semitic rant

March 9, 2012

Last week, whilst speaking at Middlesex University, Ken O’Keefe launched into what we feel was an undeniably anti-semitic rant. Unfortunately, Middlesex University Free Palestine Society have as yet failed to come out and condemn his remarks, forcing us to publicly condemn O’Keefe’s comments.

Many people, including us, admired Ken O’Keefe’s anti-war, anti-imperialist stance on the war and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, and his bravery in the face of Israel’s murderous attack on the Mavi Marmara aid ship to Gaza. However, none of this can excuse the unacceptable nature of his comments last week.

On his recent tour of UK universities, Professor As’ad Abu Khalil (aka the Angry Arab) rightly asserted that “the cause of Palestine is too important, and too precious, to be tainted with anti-semitism.” Professor Abu Khalil is of course correct, however we abhor anti-semitism not only for the damage it could do to Palestine solidarity activism, but because like all forms of racism it is immoral, inhumane, and grotesque. We stand against all forms of racism, including Zionism.

We are proud to be part of the struggle against Zionism, and part of the the ever-growing global civil society movement against the apartheid state of Israel and its inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people. We note that the Palestinian struggle for freedom, equality, and return brings together people of all ages, religions, ethnicity, social backgrounds, ideologies and nationalities, united in their commitment to fighting injustice and racism.

We believe that the student movement here in the UK has become very strong because it reflects and upholds these beliefs and values. We believe this is reflected in the phenomenal success our groups have had in aiding the growth of the BDS movement here in the UK.

It is therefore vitally important that we allow no opportunity for anti-semitism, along with all other forms of racism, to enter our groups or campaigns.

We believe the basis of unity with the Palestinians should be that of;

Supporting the three aims of the Palestinian call for BDS; Ending the Occupation of all Arab lands seized in 1967 and dismantling the Apartheid Wall, granting full and equal rights to Palestinian citizens of Israel, and recognizing and facilitating the Right of Return of refugees as enshrined in UN resolution 194.

Recognising our responsibility as advocates/representatives of the Palestinian cause and BDS movement on our campuses, and respecting the great sacrifices the Palestinians have made in their resistance: sacrifices we do not have to make.

Challenging and combating all forms of racism, in and outwith our campaigning both on campus and in our communities, including anti-semitism and Islamophobia.

In line with these principles, we wish to openly state that Ken O’Keefe is not welcome to speak on our campus. We urge Middlesex University Free Palestine Society to distance themselves from his comments, and condemn them as anti-semitic.

We invite our fellow student Palestine activists to add their societies names to this statement.

Glasgow Caledonian University Palestine Society

Leeds University Palestine Society

Dundee University Action Palestine

Edinburgh University Students for Justice in Palestine

Glasgow University Palestine Society

Liverpool University Friends of Palestine

[emphasis added]

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:34 pm**

I guess youre right AD and solace.

This religious programming catches even the most passionately humanitarian of us it seems.

Its seems that courtesy of the orgainised religion scam all humanity consequently has to take it up the ass, whilst the tiny few, the likes of whom created such nonsense, use it against us, ensuring that our taxation buys weapons for wars that no decent human being really wants.

Lee Kaplin has a summary of the divide and conquer/distract from the issue argument in the very first video- that is when he was actually prepared to commentate on the debate, as opposed to the life history of Ken OKeefe.

To paraphrase, Kaplin with due exaggeration. - "see, theres the sunis and the Shia, and the Kurds and the Wazuki, and the Grypchtok and everyone else to consder here.

Hunanity sadly gets lost in the mix, which is of course what is supposed to occur when the likes of Kaplin are theorizing.

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:40 pm**

slimmouse » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:34 pm wrote:I guess youre right AD and solace.

This religious programming catches even the most passionately humanitarian of us it seems.

Its seems that courtesy of the orgainised religion scam all humanity consequently has to take it up the ass, whilst the tiny few, the likes of whom created such nonsense, use it against us, ensuring that our taxation buys weapons for wars that no decent human being really wants.

Lee Kaplin has a summary of the divide and conquer/distract from the issue argument in the very first video- that is when he was actually prepared to commentate on the debate, as opposed to the life history of Ken OKeefe.

To paraphrase, Kaplin with due exaggeration. - "see, theres the sunis and the Shia, and the Kurds and the Wazuki, and the Grypchtok and everyone else to consder here.

Hunanity sadly gets lost in the mix, which is of course what is supposed to occur when the likes of Kaplin are theorizing.

You're at Rigorous Intuition, dude. You don't think we can imagine any more conspiratorial explanations for the endless parade of clowns who claim to champion Palestinian/Human Liberation but actually don't help so much as hurt?

Posted: **Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:43 pm**

American Dream » 25 Jul 2013 17:40 wrote:
slimmouse » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:34 pm wrote:I guess youre right AD and solace.

This religious programming catches even the most passionately humanitarian of us it seems.

Its seems that courtesy of the orgainised religion scam all humanity consequently has to take it up the ass, whilst the tiny few, the likes of whom created such nonsense, use it against us, ensuring that our taxation buys weapons for wars that no decent human being really wants.

Lee Kaplin has a summary of the divide and conquer/distract from the issue argument in the very first video- that is when he was actually prepared to commentate on the debate, as opposed to the life history of Ken OKeefe.

To paraphrase, Kaplin with due exaggeration. - "see, theres the sunis and the Shia, and the Kurds and the Wazuki, and the Grypchtok and everyone else to consder here.

Hunanity sadly gets lost in the mix, which is of course what is supposed to occur when the likes of Kaplin are theorizing.

You're at Rigorous Intuition, dude. You don't think we can imagine any more conspiratorial explanations for the endless parade of clowns who claim to champion Palestinian/Human Liberation but actually don't?

AD, you are free to see it as you do, just as I am. Think Venn Diagram, think Humanity, and see where that takes you in identifying our problem.

It aint fukn Jews, thats for sure. No more than fukn muslims and fukn christians and all the rest of us fuckers.

Its the Empire. Its corporations. It's the mass murdering liars in the Military industrial complex. You might have picked that up from OKeefe too, if youd watched the videos.

Posted: **Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:39 pm**

Maybe he gets donations from his good buddy, David Duke.

You know what Solace, that quote of yours got me thinking about good old Mr Duke.

It would appear to me at least, that if someone like Mr Duke didnt exist, then the Control system would have to invent him.

I'd be tempted to offer the talented Mr Duke a lot more credit, If for example he'd been on the Gaza flotilla with OKeefe, Cynthia Mckinney and other people who despise the kind of oppression being meted out to fellow human beings in Gaza , inhumainity which is both partially and fully supported by a litany of apologists, cowards and murdurers by proxy, many of whom apparently represent us !

So I guess we shouldnt be surprised at the apparent indefatiguable nature of Mr Duke.

When Im looking for state assets, he'd be at the head of my list of suspects. Even if by chance he's little more than simply a wtting idiot.

Posted: **Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:49 pm**

wow I am surprised anti-semitism AD and solace all in the same thread....not

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