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Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:49 pm

Going to cross post this from a flamey thread because it's got potential.

Just dropped in to an old favorite, edge.org, for the first time in ages, and checked out the 2013 "World Question," which was "What should we worry about?"

We'd know, right! The long term threat of war and nuclear weapons, not to mention nuclear power, the hydrocarbo economy, pollution, burning the planet in so many ways, ocean acidification and the great die-off, fisheries and coral reefs disappearing, the Himalaya cap melting down, a totally warped and sick economic system that produces global misery, alienation and inequality, the way it relies on racism and sexism, the powerful drive toward totalitarianism clearly inherent in most states and currently manifesting itself in the most powerful ones, the power held by ideologies of benightment and violence, the banksters, the MIC, the deep state, the surveillance apparatus... conventional authoritarianism, the everyday repressions of the drug war and crackdowns on protest, the prison industrial complex, etc. etc.

And ha! What should I see on the very first answer?

Eugenics is making a big comeback, apparently. In China, which is about to EAT THE WHITE GOOD GUYS, according to this guy. That's what we should worry about, damn it, the Chinaman threat!

Will the Europeans respond in time by bioengineering their own genome for intelligence and other forms of "human resource quality"?

Notwithstanding, when you read the following, you'll see eugenics has definitely made a big comeback in this guy's head.

And remember, the idea that "they did it first" even when they didn't (and usually they didn't) is how Western and US institutions justified genocide of the indigenous, MK-Ultra (due to the North Korean mind control myth), the doctrine of flexible nuclear targeting and "limited nuclear war" (due to the missile gap), etc. etc.

Note: Unlike some of the phantoms promoted most persistently on this board, this guy and the mentality he represents are ensconced in power, non-magical, very logical outgrowths of the present political-economic system, in a word: REAL.

Whatever the eventual name of the ideology is going to be, he expresses the cutting edge fascism of the 21st century.


http://edge.org/responses/what-should-w ... ried-about

2013 : WHAT *SHOULD* WE BE WORRIED ABOUT?

Geoffrey Miller

Evolutionary psychologist, NYU Stern Business School and University of New Mexico; author of The Mating Mind and Spent


Chinese Eugenics

China has been running the world's largest and most successful eugenics program for more than thirty years, driving China's ever-faster rise as the global superpower. I worry that this poses some existential threat to Western civilization. Yet the most likely result is that America and Europe linger around a few hundred more years as also-rans on the world-historical stage, nursing our anti-hereditarian political correctness to the bitter end.

When I learned about Chinese eugenics this summer, I was astonished that its population policies had received so little attention. China makes no secret of its eugenic ambitions, in either its cultural history or its government policies.

For generations, Chinese intellectuals have emphasized close ties between the state (guojia), the nation (minzu), the population (renkou), the Han race (zhongzu), and, more recently, the Chinese gene-pool (jiyinku). Traditional Chinese medicine focused on preventing birth defects, promoting maternal health and "fetal education" (taijiao) during pregnancy, and nourishing the father's semen (yangjing) and mother's blood (pingxue) to produce bright, healthy babies (see Frank Dikötter's book Imperfect Conceptions). Many scientists and reformers of Republican China (1912-1949) were ardent Darwinians and Galtonians. They worried about racial extinction (miezhong) and "the science of deformed fetuses" (jitaixue), and saw eugenics as a way to restore China's rightful place as the world's leading civilization after a century of humiliation by European colonialism. The Communist revolution kept these eugenic ideals from having much policy impact for a few decades though. Mao Zedong was too obsessed with promoting military and manufacturing power, and too terrified of peasant revolt, to interfere with traditional Chinese reproductive practices.

But then Deng Xiaoping took power after Mao's death. Deng had long understood that China would succeed only if the Communist Party shifted its attention from economic policy to population policy. He liberalized markets, but implemented the one-child policy —partly to curtail China's population explosion, but also to reduce dysgenic fertility among rural peasants. Throughout the 1980s, Chinese propaganda urges couples to have children "later, longer, fewer, better"—at a later age, with a longer interval between birth, resulting in fewer children of higher quality. With the 1995 Maternal and Infant Health Law (known as the Eugenic Law until Western opposition forced a name change), China forbade people carrying heritable mental or physical disorders from marrying, and promoted mass prenatal ultrasound testing for birth defects. Deng also encouraged assortative mating through promoting urbanization and higher education, so bright, hard-working young people could meet each other more easily, increasing the proportion of children who would be at the upper extremes of intelligence and conscientiousness.

One of Deng's legacies is China's current strategy of maximizing "Comprehensive National Power". This includes economic power (GDP, natural resources, energy, manufacturing, infrastructure, owning America's national debt), military power (cyberwarfare, anti-aircraft-carrier ballistic missiles, anti-satellite missiles), and 'soft power' (cultural prestige, the Beijing Olympics, tourism, Chinese films and contemporary art, Confucius Institutes, Shanghai's skyscrapers). But crucially, Comprehensive National Power also includes "biopower": creating the world's highest-quality human capital in terms of the Chinese population's genes, health, and education (see Governing China's Population by Susan Greenhalgh and Edwin Winkler).

Chinese biopower has ancient roots in the concept of "yousheng" ("good birth"—which has the same literal meaning as "eugenics"). For a thousand years, China has been ruled by a cognitive meritocracy selected through the highly competitive imperial exams. The brightest young men became the scholar-officials who ruled the masses, amassed wealth, attracted multiple wives, and had more children. The current "gaokao" exams for university admission, taken by more than 10 million young Chinese per year, are just the updated version of these imperial exams—the route to educational, occupation, financial, and marital success. With the relaxation of the one-child policy, wealthier couples can now pay a "social fostering fee" (shehui fuyangfei) to have an extra child, restoring China's traditional link between intelligence, education, wealth, and reproductive success.

Chinese eugenics will quickly become even more effective, given its massive investment in genomic research on human mental and physical traits. BGI-Shenzhen employs more than 4,000 researchers. It has far more "next-generation" DNA sequencers that anywhere else in the world, and is sequencing more than 50,000 genomes per year. It recently acquired the California firm Complete Genomics to become a major rival to Illumina.

The BGI Cognitive Genomics Project is currently doing whole-genome sequencing of 1,000 very-high-IQ people around the world, hunting for sets of sets of IQ-predicting alleles. I know because I recently contributed my DNA to the project, not fully understanding the implications. These IQ gene-sets will be found eventually—but will probably be used mostly in China, for China. Potentially, the results would allow all Chinese couples to maximize the intelligence of their offspring by selecting among their own fertilized eggs for the one or two that include the highest likelihood of the highest intelligence. Given the Mendelian genetic lottery, the kids produced by any one couple typically differ by 5 to 15 IQ points. So this method of "preimplantation embryo selection" might allow IQ within every Chinese family to increase by 5 to 15 IQ points per generation. After a couple of generations, it would be game over for Western global competitiveness.

There is unusually close cooperation in China between government, academia, medicine, education, media, parents, and consumerism in promoting a utopian Han ethno-state. Given what I understand of evolutionary behavior genetics, I expect—and hope—that they will succeed. The welfare and happiness of the world's most populous country depends upon it.

My real worry is the Western response. The most likely response, given Euro-American ideological biases, would be a bioethical panic that leads to criticism of Chinese population policy with the same self-righteous hypocrisy that we have shown in criticizing various Chinese socio-cultural policies. But the global stakes are too high for us to act that stupidly and short-sightedly. A more mature response would be based on mutual civilizational respect, asking—what can we learn from what the Chinese are doing, how can we help them, and how can they help us to keep up as they create their brave new world?



Freakonomically, man! Such an out-of-the-box asshole.

Also, a scaremonger.

Prediction: The Chinese don't know what the fuck they're doing any more than other purported eugenicists.

slomo wrote:Sure: transhumanism


like the purported Chinese eugenics, and the laughable supremacist thinking of NYU Stern Business School professor Miller,

is based up on the totally insane idea that 21st Century human beings have any fucking clue what we're doing to ourselves, our environment, and the cosmos in general. We can't even manage the world we actually live in, let alone create new ones that match it in richness and complexity (sorry, English: virtual reality is pretty fucking boring compared to the real world). Anarcho-primitivism, for all of its romantic idealism (sorry, English again: crunchy-granola-hippy-dippiness), is at least based on something that actually worked for 100s of 1000s of years.

Better?


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Postby semper occultus » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:34 am

Whatever the eventual name of the ideology is going to be, he expresses the cutting edge fascism of the 21st century.


....or old-fashioned pre-war socialism depending on how you look at it.....

Eugenics: the skeleton that rattles loudest in the left's closet

Socialism's one-time interest in eugenics is dismissed as an accident of history. But the truth is far more unpalatable

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left

Such talk repels us now, but in the prewar era it was the common sense of the age. Most alarming, many of its leading advocates were found among the luminaries of the Fabian and socialist left, men and women revered to this day. Thus George Bernard Shaw could insist that "the only fundamental and possible socialism is the socialisation of the selective breeding of man", even suggesting, in a phrase that chills the blood, that defectives be dealt with by means of a "lethal chamber".

Such thinking was not alien to the great Liberal titan and mastermind of the welfare state, William Beveridge, who argued that those with "general defects" should be denied not only the vote, but "civil freedom and fatherhood". Indeed, a desire to limit the numbers of the inferior was written into modern notions of birth control from the start. That great pioneer of contraception, Marie Stopes – honoured with a postage stamp in 2008 – was a hardline eugenicist, determined that the "hordes of defectives" be reduced in number, thereby placing less of a burden on "the fit". Stopes later disinherited her son because he had married a short-sighted woman, thereby risking a less-than-perfect grandchild.

Yet what looks kooky or sinister in 2012 struck the prewar British left as solid and sensible. Harold Laski, stellar LSE professor, co-founder of the Left Book Club and one-time chairman of the Labour party, cautioned that: "The time is surely coming … when society will look upon the production of a weakling as a crime against itself." Meanwhile, JBS Haldane, admired scientist and socialist, warned that: "Civilisation stands in real danger from over-production of 'undermen'." That's Untermenschen in German.

I'm afraid even the Manchester Guardian was not immune. When a parliamentary report in 1934 backed voluntary sterilisation of the unfit, a Guardian editorial offered warm support, endorsing the sterilisation campaign "the eugenists soundly urge". If it's any comfort, the New Statesman was in the same camp.
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Postby Sounder » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:01 am

I was interested in this fellow’s politics, and in checking found a glancing reference to ‘leftwing scruples’.

So just what do ‘leftwing scruples’ consist of, killing people with kindness perhaps?

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/a ... ook-review

Thankfully, Miller's leftwing scruples do not intrude too much on what is ultimately a considerable intellectual achievement. Do not let the fact that he wears his scholarship so lightly fool you into thinking that this is merely another popular science book. It is much more than that.

• Dylan Evans is a lecturer in behavioural science at University College Cork. To order Spent for £18 with free UK p&p call Guardian book service on 0330 333 6846 or go to guardian.co.uk/bookshop

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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:36 am

I'd had little idea of GBS before reading Man and Superman recently. I found it so smart, and especially enjoyed the devotion to epigrammatic literary style, each sentence a kind of stand-alone gem in itself, most of them sardonic and rich with insight; that is, up until his argument for eugenics - as the sole true mission of "socialism," no less - became so overwhelmingly the main thing that I finally gave up (having finished the play and gotten as far as the manifesto at the end). This was the shared wisdom of the intellectual class in those decades, whether they otherwise put out as "right" or "left." I don't think this idea was as dominant among the strikers and organizers and assorted troublemakers on the ground who would have made up "the left" in my mind, however. I doubt Joe Hill was a eugenicist.

It does make me wonder what ideas shared near-universally and near-invisibly within the culture of the educated and reasonable will be the source of universal embarrassment and repulsion among our successors in 100 years. And what expression the cycle may find in 200, or 300, assuming there are recognizable successors that could be called ours.

From Dylan's review of Miller linked by sounder:

Take the value-density conundrum, for example. The value-density of a product is its retail price divided by its weight.


A totally fascinating measure! If only as the kind of arbitrary simplemindedness that demerits reductionism into farce. Why not deviation from room temperature multiplied by rating on ebay?

Importantly, this measure enshrines the authority of the thing that at any given moment, often for arbitrary reasons, determines "price" (not value, note) for those willing to pay it (this thing a.k.a. "the market").

Miller calculates the value-density of a variety of products and comes up with some interesting questions. Why, for example, does an implanted human egg cost 72 quadrillion times more per gram than tap water, even though the egg is constituted mostly of water? The answer is that the egg is the ultimate currency of Darwinian success, for which there is little supply and much demand.


This is naturalizing (or giving the status of a natural force) to one preference among many, and begs the question of whether one's scholarly thinking time is not better spent psychoanalyzing or otherwise dissecting this preference, given that it is highly particular if not altogether irrational. Prior to our times no one would have known that implantation was possible, and not so long before that, no one would have known that humans develop from gametes, or that the reproduction of units we now call genes are supposed to be measures of our biological success.

Right now, millions of people (to understate things), male and female, don't want children of their own and therefore assign a price they wish to pay for an implanted human egg of zero. Millions more may not be able to reproduce and may want to, yet don't care to implant, and either accept that they won't reproduce or manage instead to adopt children. THey must not exist or they must not be as natural as the ones who wish to overcome their inability to reproduce physically by paying to implant human eggs; or as ultimately "successful" in "Darwinian" terms as the ones who can afford to do so. (What a bizarre idea, really: I'm "ultimately" successful in "Darwinian" terms because even though it's self-evident by those very same terms that I'm not, since I can't reproduce, I can buy an egg that supposedly will be "successful" and therefore makes up for my own lack of "Darwinian success"!)

Miller's genius


Oh Jesus.

here lies not in the answers he provides but in the questions he asks. Once the questions are posed the answers are rather obvious, but before reading Miller's book, it had never even occurred to me to ask such questions.
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:59 am

It does make me wonder what ideas shared near-universally and near-invisibly within the culture of the educated and reasonable will be the source of universal embarrassment and repulsion among our successors in 100 years. And what expression the cycle may find in 200, or 300, assuming there are recognizable successors that could be called ours.



......well mass-immigration's the new touchy-feely / "kinder-gentler" eugenics programme isn't it......?

.....what person can retain their public respectability by opposing the improving of the moribund racial stock of fat workshy white people slumped infront of Sky-TV covered in tattoos ...

beloved of both neo-liberal monsters :

The EU should "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states, the UN's special representative for migration has said.

Peter Sutherland told peers the future prosperity of many EU states depended on them becoming multicultural. He also suggested the UK government's immigration policy had no basis in international law.
He was being quizzed by the Lords EU home affairs sub-committee which is investigating global migration.

Mr Sutherland, who is non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP, heads the Global Forum on Migration and Development, which brings together representatives of 160 nations to share policy ideas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395


& impeccable left-liberals alike.

Philippe "Overturn the Barricades" Legrain
Andrew Neather

Suzanne Moore

I live in London but I leave it often enough to know that parts of the country are pretty white, enough to scare my "white" children because they are just not used to such a monoculture and find it disturbing, unreal and, to be frank, lacking.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:59 am

semper occultus » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:59 am wrote:
It does make me wonder what ideas shared near-universally and near-invisibly within the culture of the educated and reasonable will be the source of universal embarrassment and repulsion among our successors in 100 years. And what expression the cycle may find in 200, or 300, assuming there are recognizable successors that could be called ours.



......well mass-immigration's the new touchy-feely / "kinder-gentler" eugenics programme isn't it......?

.....what person can retain their public respectability by opposing the improving of the moribund racial stock of fat workshy white people slumped infront of Sky-TV covered in tattoos ...

beloved of both neo-liberal monsters :

The EU should "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states, the UN's special representative for migration has said.

Peter Sutherland told peers the future prosperity of many EU states depended on them becoming multicultural. He also suggested the UK government's immigration policy had no basis in international law.
He was being quizzed by the Lords EU home affairs sub-committee which is investigating global migration.

Mr Sutherland, who is non-executive chairman of Goldman Sachs International and a former chairman of oil giant BP, heads the Global Forum on Migration and Development, which brings together representatives of 160 nations to share policy ideas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395


& impeccable left-liberals alike.

Philippe "Overturn the Barricades" Legrain
Andrew Neather

Suzanne Moore

I live in London but I leave it often enough to know that parts of the country are pretty white, enough to scare my "white" children because they are just not used to such a monoculture and find it disturbing, unreal and, to be frank, lacking.


You have got one seriously fucked up obsession, white man, and quite the will to distort. A paradox given the earlier post.

EDIT: Right after this post I randomly ran in to a far more apropos picture of the societal/establishment consensus on immigration in the UK (picked up through Nafeez Ahmed).

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Edwin Stratton

UK Border Agency are in train stations in the South. They are randomly checking the immigration status of people of colour.

What to do if you see someone being stopped

If you see someone being stopped by UKBA officers or police on immigration grounds, and your immigration status does not put you at risk yourself, it is recommended that you:

- Immediately make the person aware that they do not have to answer
questions & that they can leave
- Remind the officers of the law
- Film the incident, where possible asking the person stopped if that’s
ok, or just filming the officers involved. This may be useful in making a
claim in the event of an unlawful stop or arrest.
- Record the lapel numbers of the officers involved
- Make other members of the public aware of what’s happening
- Get witnesses’ contact details if the stop leads to an arrest or the
person wants to pursue it afterwards
- Attempt to pass on a phone number to the individual if you think the
stop will lead to arrest
- Try not to get aggressive or physically obstruct officers if you want to
avoid being arrested for obstruction.

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Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:27 am

A little bit more 'of above' for you Jack - not quite sure who's trying to stir up what in the UK but I guess it may not have a satisfying conclusion for any of the involved parties.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23545955 2nd Aug 2013

Home Office vans: Unite union in 'race hatred' query
Home Office van bearing the slogan "In the UK illegally? Go home or face arrest" Six vans were driven around north London in the pilot scheme

The Unite union has said it is seeking legal advice about whether the Home Office "incited racial hatred" by sending vans around London encouraging illegal immigrants to "go home".
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Postby semper occultus » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:59 pm

......thanks for the absurdly presumptuous & pavlovian reaction JR.....rather proves my point....

...and I don't believe for a second you're naive enough to take any of that absurd media-charade seriously as representative of the intentions of the real weather-makers at the top of the hierarchy or that those intentions are founded on giving any sort of shit for the benefit of ordinary people.....just another leg of the great "growth" ponzi-scheme...
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:46 pm

Okay, tell us what you mean, if it was presumptuous of me. The US-UK eugenics ideology of the early 20th century -- which was the common-sense wisdom of nearly the entire establishment as well as most of the intellectual classes regardless of politics -- was especially obsessed with blocking the immigration of non-Nordic races; at the time Southern and Eastern Europeans were the non-white bugaboo, and that would have included my Greeks, who became a target of the KKK. Limiting immigration was possibly the arena in which the eugenics ideology of the time was most lastingly effective, e.g. the US immigration laws of 1927-29.

So your idea is that the modern-day analogue to the eugenics movement of that time is... support for unlimited immigration. See where this might seem paradoxical, or might require some clarification on your part?

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Meanwhile, the only place in Europe genuinely overwhelmed by documented and undocumented immigrant population is Greece, because this is the entry point for 95 percent of the migrants and, thanks to the racist system developed to serve the perceived interests of the rest of the EU membership, they are all required to remain in Greece without exception or recourse. The same country that is having the worst economic crisis, and is most directly under the worst attack by the EU powers-that-be, is the same one that has to carry this additional cost, although the vast majority of these immigrants would like nothing more than to be able to leave Greece for points north and west. Isn't it time for the other 300 million EU citizens to carry some of the burden of the refugees their own foreign policies create.

Because of course, that's the other factor: How many of these poor people are refugees from the wars of NATO imperialism, generally conducted with EU support or (in the Iraqi case) support from a number of EU members.

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Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:08 pm

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Nice op Jack.

I'm diggin' it.

Dis whole human capital shit bugs da hell outta me.

As an aside, the chinese have long practised infanticide against male infants born in the year of the fire horse, which is especially ill omened.

I'm thinking we need a new world order where nation no longer competes with other nation, where the rights of the individual are paramount.

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One big melting pot sounds fine ta me.

A cauldron, maybe.

Unity, not division.

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Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:13 pm

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Life ain't all about economic competitiveness.

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Postby 0_0 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:36 pm

I dont think racism is at the core of eugenics. Thats just a temporal coincidence, in that both ideas came to prominence in the beginning of that last century. The core idea is creating a better type of human by planning the creation of offspring. More relevant than "race" would seem to be factors like health, intelligence, personality etc. As such i'm not sure it's a totally worthless idea, although of course totally reductionist and metaphysically wrong.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:20 pm

0_0 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:36 pm wrote:I dont think racism is at the core of eugenics. Thats just a temporal coincidence, in that both ideas came to prominence in the beginning of that last century.


There was nothing coincidental about this. Scientific racism and eugenics were inseparable expressions of the same basic ideas by the same people with the same policy prescriptions. The concern of early 20th-C. eugenics was to save the white as the superior race.

Perhaps what you mean is that there is a theoretically separability between eugenics and the more simplistic racism that makes generalizations about all people of a given skin color, etc. Nowadays racial ideas of biological supremacy are gradually being supplanted by ideas of individual biological supremacy. In a world of neoliberal competition of all against all, success is already measured in terms of individual wealth, power and celebrity (the new prestige). Solidarity with everyone in a group on the basis of skin color is still widespread and all too consequential, but also widely considered backward. Eugenics remains pseudo-scientific but its tools no longer seem laughably so, like in the age of phrenology. Today we have very finely tuned testing of attributes and aptitudes such as intelligence, even if this is illusory or falsely defined, and inarguably a better sense of specific health factors. And there is an attempt to match these measures to genetic testing, allowing new possibilities for selection through breeding, genetic engineering, IVF, etc.

Maybe in a few decades these also will be seen as akin to phrenology, maybe not.

Miller is a few steps in that direction, but remains racially obsessed. On considering "Chinese eugenics," which he defines as Han, his first question is not whether it is right or wrong, or whether it works as he imagines, or how to persuade them to abandon it. Instead, he wonders why "America and Europe" are not also adopting the Chinese model, lest "we" become "also-rans on the world-historical stage, nursing our anti-hereditarian political correctness to the bitter end."

He may not believe in an existing racial supremacy but expects a racial supremacy of the Chinese to result from their supposed eugenics program, apparently with the subordination or extinction of "America and Europe" resulting somewhere down the line. Yet why speak of "America and Europe"? If he thinks their "end" would be bitter, he clearly feels an allegiance. Why not Brazil, Africa or India? His standard of identification is not individual but "civilizational," with clear racial undercurrent. Implicitly, "America and Europe" are now superior (based on genetic stock, if we take his argument seriously) but will lose their superiority to the Chinese because the latter are not held back by scruples. This is another sign of superiority, but a negative and fatal one: "we" are too good for this world!

The core idea is creating a better type of human by planning the creation of offspring. More relevant than "race" would seem to be factors like health, intelligence, personality etc. As such i'm not sure it's a totally worthless idea, although of course totally reductionist and metaphysically wrong.
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Re: Eugenics is back. Or, rather: Never left.

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:31 pm

I recently read Christopher Simpson's The Splendid Blond Beast and what really struck me was how Samantha Power did a diluted re-write with her Pulitzer-winning A Problem From Hell - the structure is remarkably similar. Simpson's has the virtue of both 1) being first, chronologically and 2) being far more densely researched & documented.

As for Eugenics as Orthodoxy, aye: we could do a thread about this that mirrors the recent discussion of "Fascism" and how to properly define it. But it's the heterodoxy that's probably more interesting & useful as an Early Warning System -- because the idea itself is bound to come up in many contexts. I know I've had many talks about it with friends (who I learned things about!) in my short sweet life already.

How would Eugenics be formulated into a common goal at PRC HQ? That's an interesting question, so is this: how would Eugenics be formulated over the past 50 years of oligarchy-building success at Silicon Valley? What gets agreed upon, in principle, at Bohemian Grove? How is Eugenics discussed at the VIP bar at Aspen Ideas? What are the key arguments about Eugenics in Johns Hopkins or UPenn frat houses?

Much like Fascism, they're all mutants and they're all dangerous. The history is mostly useful for the operational details, not the ideologies.
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