A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

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A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:40 am

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A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

DAVID GRAEBER

What is a revolution? We used to think we knew. Revolutions were seizures of power by popular forces aiming to transform the very nature of the political, social, and economic system in the country in which the revolution took place, usually according to some visionary dream of a just society. Nowadays, we live in an age when, if rebel armies do come sweeping into a city, or mass uprisings overthrow a dictator, it’s unlikely to have any such implications; when profound social transformation does occur—as with, say, the rise of feminism—it’s likely to take an entirely different form. It’s not that revolutionary dreams aren’t out there. But contemporary revolutionaries rarely think they can bring them into being by some modern-day equivalent of storming the Bastille.

ImageAt moments like this, it generally pays to go back to the history one already knows and ask: Were revolutions ever really what we thought them to be? For me, the person who has asked this most effectively is the great world historian Immanuel Wallerstein. He argues that for the last quarter millennium or so, revolutions have consisted above all of planetwide transformations of political common sense.

Already by the time of the French Revolution, Wallerstein notes, there was a single world market, and increasingly a single world political system as well, dominated by the huge colonial empires. As a result, the storming of the Bastille in Paris could well end up having effects on Denmark, or even Egypt, just as profound as on France itself—in some cases, even more so. Hence he speaks of the “world revolution of 1789,” followed by the “world revolution of 1848,” which saw revolutions break out almost simultaneously in fifty countries, from Wallachia to Brazil. In no case did the revolutionaries succeed in taking power, but afterward, institutions inspired by the French Revolution—notably, universal systems of primary education—were put in place pretty much everywhere. Similarly, the Russian Revolution of 1917 was a world revolution ultimately responsible for the New Deal and European welfare states as much as for Soviet communism. The last in the series was the world revolution of 1968—which, much like 1848, broke out almost everywhere, from China to Mexico, seized power nowhere, but nonetheless changed everything. This was a revolution against state bureaucracies, and for the inseparability of personal and political liberation, whose most lasting legacy will likely be the birth of modern feminism.

A quarter of the American population is now engaged in “guard labor”—defending property, supervising work, or otherwise keeping their fellow Americans in line.

Revolutions are thus planetary phenomena. But there is more. What they really do is transform basic assumptions about what politics is ultimately about. In the wake of a revolution, ideas that had been considered veritably lunatic fringe quickly become the accepted currency of debate. Before the French Revolution, the ideas that change is good, that government policy is the proper way to manage it, and that governments derive their authority from an entity called “the people” were considered the sorts of things one might hear from crackpots and demagogues, or at best a handful of freethinking intellectuals who spend their time debating in cafés. A generation later, even the stuffiest magistrates, priests, and headmasters had to at least pay lip service to these ideas. Before long, we had reached the situation we are in today: that it’s necessary to lay out the terms for anyone to even notice they are there. They’ve become common sense, the very grounds of political discussion.

Until 1968, most world revolutions really just introduced practical refinements: an expanded franchise, universal primary education, the welfare state. The world revolution of 1968, in contrast—whether it took the form it did in China, of a revolt by students and young cadres supporting Mao’s call for a Cultural Revolution; or in Berkeley and New York, where it marked an alliance of students, dropouts, and cultural rebels; or even in Paris, where it was an alliance of students and workers—was a rebellion against bureaucracy, conformity, or anything that fettered the human imagination, a project for the revolutionizing of not just political or economic life, but every aspect of human existence. As a result, in most cases, the rebels didn’t even try to take over the apparatus of state; they saw that apparatus as itself the problem.

It’s fashionable nowadays to view the social movements of the late sixties as an embarrassing failure. A case can be made for that view. It’s certainly true that in the political sphere, the immediate beneficiary of any widespread change in political common sense—a prioritizing of ideals of individual liberty, imagination, and desire; a hatred of bureaucracy; and suspicions about the role of government—was the political Right. Above all, the movements of the sixties allowed for the mass revival of free market doctrines that had largely been abandoned since the nineteenth century. It’s no coincidence that the same generation who, as teenagers, made the Cultural Revolution in China was the one who, as forty-year-olds, presided over the introduction of capitalism. Since the eighties, “freedom” has come to mean “the market,” and “the market” has come to be seen as identical with capitalism—even, ironically, in places like China, which had known sophisticated markets for thousands of years, but rarely anything that could be described as capitalism.

The ironies are endless. While the new free market ideology has framed itself above all as a rejection of bureaucracy, it has, in fact, been responsible for the first administrative system that has operated on a planetary scale, with its endless layering of public and private bureaucracies: the IMF, World Bank, WTO, trade organizations, financial institutions, transnational corporations, NGOs. This is precisely the system that has imposed free market orthodoxy, and opened the world to financial pillage, under the watchful aegis of American arms. It only made sense that the first attempt to recreate a global revolutionary movement, the Global Justice Movement that peaked between 1998 and 2003, was effectively a rebellion against the rule of that very planetary bureaucracy.

Future Stop

In retrospect, though, I think that later historians will conclude that the legacy of the sixties revolution was deeper than we now imagine, and that the triumph of capitalist markets and their various planetary administrators and enforcers—which seemed so epochal and permanent in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991—was, in fact, far shallower.

I’ll take an obvious example. One often hears that antiwar protests in the late sixties and early seventies were ultimately failures, since they did not appreciably speed up the U.S. withdrawal from Indochina. But afterward, those controlling U.S. foreign policy were so anxious about being met with similar popular unrest—and even more, with unrest within the military itself, which was genuinely falling apart by the early seventies—that they refused to commit U.S. forces to any major ground conflict for almost thirty years. It took 9/11, an attack that led to thousands of civilian deaths on U.S. soil, to fully overcome the notorious “Vietnam syndrome”—and even then, the war planners made an almost obsessive effort to ensure the wars were effectively protest-proof. Propaganda was incessant, the media was brought on board, experts provided exact calculations on body bag counts (how many U.S. casualties it would take to stir mass opposition), and the rules of engagement were carefully written to keep the count below that.

The problem was that since those rules of engagement ensured that thousands of women, children, and old people would end up “collateral damage” in order to minimize deaths and injuries to U.S. soldiers, this meant that in Iraq and Afghanistan, intense hatred for the occupying forces would pretty much guarantee that the United States couldn’t obtain its military objectives. And remarkably, the war planners seemed to be aware of this. It didn’t matter. They considered it far more important to prevent effective opposition at home than to actually win the war. It’s as if American forces in Iraq were ultimately defeated by the ghost of Abbie Hoffman.

Clearly, an antiwar movement in the sixties that is still tying the hands of U.S. military planners in 2012 can hardly be considered a failure. But it raises an intriguing question: What happens when the creation of that sense of failure, of the complete ineffectiveness of political action against the system, becomes the chief objective of those in power?

ImageThe thought first occurred to me when participating in the IMF actions in Washington, D.C., in 2002. Coming on the heels of 9/11, we were relatively few and ineffective, the number of police overwhelming. There was no sense that we could succeed in shutting down the meetings. Most of us left feeling vaguely depressed. It was only a few days later, when I talked to someone who had friends attending the meetings, that I learned we had in fact shut them down: the police had introduced such stringent security measures, canceling half the events, that most of the actual meetings had been carried out online. In other words, the government had decided it was more important for protesters to walk away feeling like failures than for the IMF meetings to take place. If you think about it, they afforded protesters extraordinary importance.

Is it possible that this preemptive attitude toward social movements, the designing of wars and trade summits in such a way that preventing effective opposition is considered more of a priority than the success of the war or summit itself, really reflects a more general principle? What if those currently running the system, most of whom witnessed the unrest of the sixties firsthand as impressionable youngsters, are—consciously or unconsciously (and I suspect it’s more conscious than not)—obsessed by the prospect of revolutionary social movements once again challenging prevailing common sense?

It would explain a lot. In most of the world, the last thirty years has come to be known as the age of neoliberalism—one dominated by a revival of the long-since-abandoned nineteenth-century creed that held that free markets and human freedom in general were ultimately the same thing. Neoliberalism has always been wracked by a central paradox. It declares that economic imperatives are to take priority over all others. Politics itself is just a matter of creating the conditions for growing the economy by allowing the magic of the marketplace to do its work. All other hopes and dreams—of equality, of security—are to be sacrificed for the primary goal of economic productivity. But global economic performance over the last thirty years has been decidedly mediocre. With one or two spectacular exceptions (notably China, which significantly ignored most neoliberal prescriptions), growth rates have been far below what they were in the days of the old-fashioned, state-directed, welfare-state-oriented capitalism of the fifties, sixties, and even seventies. By its own standards, then, the project was already a colossal failure even before the 2008 collapse.

If, on the other hand, we stop taking world leaders at their word and instead think of neoliberalism as a political project, it suddenly looks spectacularly effective. The politicians, CEOs, trade bureaucrats, and so forth who regularly meet at summits like Davos or the G20 may have done a miserable job in creating a world capitalist economy that meets the needs of a majority of the world’s inhabitants (let alone produces hope, happiness, security, or meaning), but they have succeeded magnificently in convincing the world that capitalism—and not just capitalism, but exactly the financialized, semifeudal capitalism we happen to have right now—is the only viable economic system. If you think about it, this is a remarkable accomplishment.

Debt cancellation would make the perfect revolutionary demand.

How did they pull it off? The preemptive attitude toward social movements is clearly a part of it; under no conditions can alternatives, or anyone proposing alternatives, be seen to experience success. This helps explain the almost unimaginable investment in “security systems” of one sort or another: the fact that the United States, which lacks any major rival, spends more on its military and intelligence than it did during the Cold War, along with the almost dazzling accumulation of private security agencies, intelligence agencies, militarized police, guards, and mercenaries. Then there are the propaganda organs, including a massive media industry that did not even exist before the sixties, celebrating police. Mostly these systems do not so much attack dissidents directly as contribute to a pervasive climate of fear, jingoistic conformity, life insecurity, and simple despair that makes any thought of changing the world seem an idle fantasy. Yet these security systems are also extremely expensive. Some economists estimate that a quarter of the American population is now engaged in “guard labor” of one sort or another—defending property, supervising work, or otherwise keeping their fellow Americans in line. Economically, most of this disciplinary apparatus is pure deadweight.

In fact, most of the economic innovations of the last thirty years make more sense politically than economically. Eliminating guaranteed life employment for precarious contracts doesn’t really create a more effective workforce, but it is extraordinarily effective in destroying unions and otherwise depoliticizing labor. The same can be said of endlessly increasing working hours. No one has much time for political activity if they’re working sixty-hour weeks.

It does often seem that, whenever there is a choice between one option that makes capitalism seem the only possible economic system, and another that would actually make capitalism a more viable economic system, neoliberalism means always choosing the former. The combined result is a relentless campaign against the human imagination. Or, to be more precise: imagination, desire, individual creativity, all those things that were to be liberated in the last great world revolution, were to be contained strictly in the domain of consumerism, or perhaps in the virtual realities of the Internet. In all other realms they were to be strictly banished. We are talking about the murdering of dreams, the imposition of an apparatus of hopelessness, designed to squelch any sense of an alternative future. Yet as a result of putting virtually all their efforts in one political basket, we are left in the bizarre situation of watching the capitalist system crumbling before our very eyes, at just the moment everyone had finally concluded no other system would be possible.

Work It Out, Slow It Down

Normally, when you challenge the conventional wisdom—that the current economic and political system is the only possible one—the first reaction you are likely to get is a demand for a detailed architectural blueprint of how an alternative system would work, down to the nature of its financial instruments, energy supplies, and policies of sewer maintenance. Next, you are likely to be asked for a detailed program of how this system will be brought into existence. Historically, this is ridiculous. When has social change ever happened according to someone’s blueprint? It’s not as if a small circle of visionaries in Renaissance Florence conceived of something they called “capitalism,” figured out the details of how the stock exchange and factories would someday work, and then put in place a program to bring their visions into reality. In fact, the idea is so absurd we might well ask ourselves how it ever occurred to us to imagine this is how change happens to begin.

This is not to say there’s anything wrong with utopian visions. Or even blueprints. They just need to be kept in their place. The theorist Michael Albert has worked out a detailed plan for how a modern economy could run without money on a democratic, participatory basis. I think this is an important achievement—not because I think that exact model could ever be instituted, in exactly the form in which he describes it, but because it makes it impossible to say that such a thing is inconceivable. Still, such models can be only thought experiments. We cannot really conceive of the problems that will arise when we start trying to build a free society. What now seem likely to be the thorniest problems might not be problems at all; others that never even occurred to us might prove devilishly difficult. There are innumerable X-factors.

The most obvious is technology. This is the reason it’s so absurd to imagine activists in Renaissance Italy coming up with a model for a stock exchange and factories—what happened was based on all sorts of technologies that they couldn’t have anticipated, but which in part only emerged because society began to move in the direction that it did. This might explain, for instance, why so many of the more compelling visions of an anarchist society have been produced by science fiction writers (Ursula K. Le Guin, Starhawk, Kim Stanley Robinson). In fiction, you are at least admitting the technological aspect is guesswork.

Myself, I am less interested in deciding what sort of economic system we should have in a free society than in creating the means by which people can make such decisions for themselves. What might a revolution in common sense actually look like? I don’t know, but I can think of any number of pieces of conventional wisdom that surely need challenging if we are to create any sort of viable free society. I’ve already explored one—the nature of money and debt—in some detail in a recent book. I even suggested a debt jubilee, a general cancellation, in part just to bring home that money is really just a human product, a set of promises, that by its nature can always be renegotiated.


ImageLabor, similarly, should be renegotiated. Submitting oneself to labor discipline—supervision, control, even the self-control of the ambitious self-employed—does not make one a better person. In most really important ways, it probably makes one worse. To undergo it is a misfortune that at best is sometimes necessary. Yet it’s only when we reject the idea that such labor is virtuous in itself that we can start to ask what is virtuous about labor. To which the answer is obvious. Labor is virtuous if it helps others. A renegotiated definition of productivity should make it easier to reimagine the very nature of what work is, since, among other things, it will mean that technological development will be redirected less toward creating ever more consumer products and ever more disciplined labor, and more toward eliminating those forms of labor entirely.

What would remain is the kind of work only human beings will ever be able to do: those forms of caring and helping labor that are at the very center of the crisis that brought about Occupy Wall Street to begin with. What would happen if we stopped acting as if the primordial form of work is laboring at a production line, or wheat field, or iron foundry, or even in an office cubicle, and instead started from a mother, a teacher, or a caregiver? We might be forced to conclude that the real business of human life is not contributing toward something called “the economy” (a concept that didn’t even exist three hundred years ago), but the fact that we are all, and have always been, projects of mutual creation.

It’s as if American forces in Iraq were ultimately defeated by the ghost of Abbie Hoffman.

At the moment, probably the most pressing need is simply to slow down the engines of productivity. This might seem a strange thing to say—our knee-jerk reaction to every crisis is to assume the solution is for everyone to work even more, though of course, this kind of reaction is really precisely the problem—but if you consider the overall state of the world, the conclusion becomes obvious. We seem to be facing two insoluble problems. On the one hand, we have witnessed an endless series of global debt crises, which have grown only more and more severe since the seventies, to the point where the overall burden of debt—sovereign, municipal, corporate, personal—is obviously unsustainable. On the other, we have an ecological crisis, a galloping process of climate change that is threatening to throw the entire planet into drought, floods, chaos, starvation, and war. The two might seem unrelated. But ultimately they are the same. What is debt, after all, but the promise of future productivity? Saying that global debt levels keep rising is simply another way of saying that, as a collectivity, human beings are promising each other to produce an even greater volume of goods and services in the future than they are creating now. But even current levels are clearly unsustainable. They are precisely what’s destroying the planet, at an ever-increasing pace.

Even those running the system are reluctantly beginning to conclude that some kind of mass debt cancellation—some kind of jubilee—is inevitable. The real political struggle is going to be over the form that it takes. Well, isn’t the obvious thing to address both problems simultaneously? Why not a planetary debt cancellation, as broad as practically possible, followed by a mass reduction in working hours: a four-hour day, perhaps, or a guaranteed five-month vacation? This might not only save the planet but also (since it’s not like everyone would just be sitting around in their newfound hours of freedom) begin to change our basic conceptions of what value-creating labor might actually be.

Occupy was surely right not to make demands, but if I were to have to formulate one, that would be it. After all, this would be an attack on the dominant ideology at its very strongest points. The morality of debt and the morality of work are the most powerful ideological weapons in the hands of those running the current system. That’s why they cling to them even as they are effectively destroying everything else. It’s also why debt cancellation would make the perfect revolutionary demand.

All this might still seem very distant. At the moment, the planet might seem poised more for a series of unprecedented catastrophes than for the kind of broad moral and political transformation that would open the way to such a world. But if we are going to have any chance of heading off those catastrophes, we’re going to have to change our accustomed ways of thinking. And as the events of 2011 reveal, the age of revolutions is by no means over. The human imagination stubbornly refuses to die. And the moment any significant number of people simultaneously shake off the shackles that have been placed on that collective imagination, even our most deeply inculcated assumptions about what is and is not politically possible have been known to crumble overnight.


This article is an excerpt from The Democracy Project: A History, a Crisis, a Movement, by David Graeber.
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:04 am

At the moment, probably the most pressing need is simply to slow down the engines of productivity.


Quite so -- and a curious point, coming from the man who recently wrote such an eloquent piece "On The Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs."

Access to "the engines of productivity" is an exceedingly rare thing, something Graeber notes in passing at several points even in the confines of this essay -- for example, his (dubious but plausible) assertion that 25% of the US labor force is engaged in mere property protection.

The engines of productivity aren't being run by human beings anymore. The Marx Fever Dream of factory workers rising up has been an archaic absurdity since the 1970's, at least. The few engineers still required for maintenance are extremely well compensated. (I have a friend who worked a 200 square mile patch of Alaskan oil refinery and he's fucking retired now. Dude is 2 years younger than me, too: a smart career choice, all in all.)

This is a big part of my overall skepticism re: socialism / Communism. (The other big part would be their actual historical track record of accomplishments.)
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:15 am

And Lo! ... mere minutes later, a salient data point rears its ugly domepiece:

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/will-r ... ent-a-cops

Will Robots Replace Rent-a-Cops?

Has a fear of robotics ever kept anyone from robbing banks? I'm not talking about the surveillance systems, laser-armed tripwires, noisy alarms, or automated locks on the doors. I'm talking about actual robots—an evolution of the ROOMBA Vacuum cleaner, but with legs, not cute, and definitely not something you want to rob.

Now, an EU-funded, £7.2 million ($11 million USD) collaborative project, called Strands, is underway in England to develop 4D, artificial intelligence for security and care applications. It aims to produce intelligent robo-sentinels that can patrol areas, and learn to detect abnormalities in human behavior. Could their project eventually replace security guards with robots? It looks possible.

Strands, as Nick Hawes of the University of Birmingham said, will "develop novel approaches to extract spatio-temporal structure from sensor data gathered during months of autonomous operation," to develop intelligence that can then "exploit [those] structures to yield adaptive behavior in highly demanding, real-world security and care scenarios."

Hawes explained the challenge of designing machines that can be utilized as genuine assistants, or real-life C3POs. "To do this," he said, "we must make great leaps forward in understanding how robots can understand their worlds using the information their sensors provide."

Tom Duckett, Director of the Lincoln Centre for Autonomous Systems Research, will take the helm on the research of creating 4D maps (like 3D, but in consideration of timelines). He explained:

The idea is to create service robots that will work with people and learn from long-term experiences ... In a security scenario a robot will be required to perform regular patrols and continually inspect its surroundings for variations from its normal experiences... We are trying to enable robots to learn from their long-term experience and their perception of how the environment unfolds in time. The technology will have many possible applications.

Dr Marc Hanheide, in charge of researching fundamental human relations capacities of the robotics added, "The main idea is to deploy robots that run for a long time so they have the chance to develop a common-sense attitude on how the world should be and be able to spot the deviations."

No matter how formidable a private security officer can be when wielding a 9mm pistol and a sweat-thirsty German Shepherd, at the end of the day it's still a mortal man. Not so with robot security. While projects like this bring into question unbeatable defense systems of the future, the military is already being roboticized. But the Strands project is more concerned with creating AI that can take the place of people doing mundane things—it's a signal of a science-fiction-positive future.

It's the bank robbers and security guards that stand to lose the most here. Robots have already started snatching jobs away from food service workers. Now not even mall cops and John Dillinger are safe from the rise of automation.


The clear subtext, hype-copy aside, is that the only actual implementation we'll be seeing in the near future is Kill-Bots, because anything more subtle will require a level of "cognition" engineering that doesn't currently exist, although it's interesting that DARPA was putting out an RFI on this precise subject just a week or so ago. But for banks, Kill-Bots are a very sensible and practical solution.
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:00 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:04 am wrote:
The engines of productivity aren't being run by human beings anymore. The Marx Fever Dream of factory workers rising up has been an archaic absurdity since the 1970's, at least.
This is a big part of my overall skepticism re: socialism / Communism. (The other big part would be their actual historical track record of accomplishments.)

You are rightly skeptical. I have little to no tolerance for Marxist vanguard types and have felt this way since my teens, when I met some really bad apples. That said, the Marx fever dream of the factory workers rising up holds true only for the most orthodox troglodytes at this point, I think. Class struggle Anarchists and Autonomists have moved far, far beyond that...
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:26 pm

Some economists estimate that a quarter of the American population is now engaged in “guard labor” of one sort or another—defending property, supervising work, or otherwise keeping their fellow Americans in line.


Clearly this doesn't just mean physical security personnel but suggests many positions for administrators, accountants, auditors, case workers, human resource rationalizers, inventory checkers, welfare investigators, assistant principal positions, etc. etc. and other commissars of capitalism that mostly would not have existed 30 or 40 years ago.

That was a great read! Best in weeks. As often with this fellow, perspective shifting. Posting it all over the place today.

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Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:38 pm

American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:00 am wrote: That said, the Marx fever dream of the factory workers rising up holds true only for the most orthodox troglodytes at this point, I think.


Although neo-Liberalism has moved a huge amount of industrial production outside the borders of the United States, I think asking which economic sectors can be most powerful in shutting the bosses down is still legitimate.

West Coast dockworkers have a history of labor movement and have a demonstrated power to shut things down for Capitalism when principled activity leads them towards labor strikes, port shut downs and the like. This is pretty damn important...
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Postby slimmouse » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:43 pm

Im not so sure about slowing down the engines of production being of neccesity half as much as strategically, and of course over time, redirecting them.

Im almost certain that there need be no collapse if you start to think along those lines.

I should add to be fair, that my Utopian understanding of this revolves around the key factor of some seriously efficient systems of "free energy", Principally Solar powered.

I m as sure as I ever could be that we have this kind of game changing technology, but that such technology is a hostage of what is essentially Big Energy based Capitalism, at least as one point of reference.
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby American Dream » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:56 pm

slimmouse » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:43 pm wrote:Im not so sure about slowing down the engines of production being of neccesity half as much as strategically, and of course over time, redirecting them.

Im almost certain that there need be no collapse if you start to think along those lines.

I should add to be fair, that my Utopian understanding of this revolves around the key factor of some seriously efficient systems of "free energy", Principally Solar powered.

I m as sure as I ever could be that we have this kind of game changing technology, but that such technology is a hostage of what is essentially Big Energy based Capitalism, at least as one point of reference.


With resolving the contradictions inherent in Capitalism, it will be very, very difficult to get truly sustainable energy, sustainable agriculture, sustainable cities, a sustainable planet.



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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby slimmouse » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:12 pm

American Dream » 01 Sep 2013 17:56 wrote:
slimmouse » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:43 pm wrote:Im not so sure about slowing down the engines of production being of neccesity half as much as strategically, and of course over time, redirecting them.

Im almost certain that there need be no collapse if you start to think along those lines.

I should add to be fair, that my Utopian understanding of this revolves around the key factor of some seriously efficient systems of "free energy", Principally Solar powered.

I m as sure as I ever could be that we have this kind of game changing technology, but that such technology is a hostage of what is essentially Big Energy based Capitalism, at least as one point of reference.


With resolving the contradictions inherent in Capitalism, it will be very, very difficult to get truly sustainable energy, sustainable agriculture, sustainable cities, a sustainable planet.


That may well be true. But its as perfectly possible as it is seemlngly currently impossible to deal with this, from where Im sat, knowing deep down that we do have the technological capability to change stuff, irrevocably for the better.

This is not faith based fluff. Its common sense. And I only hope that more and more people are realising it, although Im very confident that they are doing that too.
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:54 pm

There are so many threads in which this could go, so I just picked one of my favorites.

Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

Natural and social scientists develop new model of how 'perfect storm' of crises could unravel global system
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Friday 14 March 2014 14.28 EDT

A new study sponsored by Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Center has highlighted the prospect that global industrial civilisation could collapse in coming decades due to unsustainable resource exploitation and increasingly unequal wealth distribution.

Noting that warnings of 'collapse' are often seen to be fringe or controversial, the study attempts to make sense of compelling historical data showing that "the process of rise-and-collapse is actually a recurrent cycle found throughout history." Cases of severe civilisational disruption due to "precipitous collapse - often lasting centuries - have been quite common."

The research project is based on a new cross-disciplinary 'Human And Nature DYnamical' (HANDY) model, led by applied mathematician Safa Motesharrei of the US National Science Foundation-supported National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center, in association with a team of natural and social scientists. The study based on the HANDY model has been accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed Elsevier journal, Ecological Economics.

It finds that according to the historical record even advanced, complex civilisations are susceptible to collapse, raising questions about the sustainability of modern civilisation:

"The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent."

By investigating the human-nature dynamics of these past cases of collapse, the project identifies the most salient interrelated factors which explain civilisational decline, and which may help determine the risk of collapse today: namely, Population, Climate, Water, Agriculture, and Energy.

These factors can lead to collapse when they converge to generate two crucial social features: "the stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity"; and "the economic stratification of society into Elites [rich] and Masses (or "Commoners") [poor]" These social phenomena have played "a central role in the character or in the process of the collapse," in all such cases over "the last five thousand years."

Currently, high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources, with "Elites" based largely in industrialised countries responsible for both:

"... accumulated surplus is not evenly distributed throughout society, but rather has been controlled by an elite. The mass of the population, while producing the wealth, is only allocated a small portion of it by elites, usually at or just above subsistence levels."

The study challenges those who argue that technology will resolve these challenges by increasing efficiency:

"Technological change can raise the efficiency of resource use, but it also tends to raise both per capita resource consumption and the scale of resource extraction, so that, absent policy effects, the increases in consumption often compensate for the increased efficiency of resource use."

Productivity increases in agriculture and industry over the last two centuries has come from "increased (rather than decreased) resource throughput," despite dramatic efficiency gains over the same period.

Modelling a range of different scenarios, Motesharri and his colleagues conclude that under conditions "closely reflecting the reality of the world today... we find that collapse is difficult to avoid." In the first of these scenarios, civilisation:

".... appears to be on a sustainable path for quite a long time, but even using an optimal depletion rate and starting with a very small number of Elites, the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society. It is important to note that this Type-L collapse is due to an inequality-induced famine that causes a loss of workers, rather than a collapse of Nature."

Another scenario focuses on the role of continued resource exploitation, finding that "with a larger depletion rate, the decline of the Commoners occurs faster, while the Elites are still thriving, but eventually the Commoners collapse completely, followed by the Elites."

In both scenarios, Elite wealth monopolies mean that they are buffered from the most "detrimental effects of the environmental collapse until much later than the Commoners", allowing them to "continue 'business as usual' despite the impending catastrophe." The same mechanism, they argue, could explain how "historical collapses were allowed to occur by elites who appear to be oblivious to the catastrophic trajectory (most clearly apparent in the Roman and Mayan cases)."

Applying this lesson to our contemporary predicament, the study warns that:

"While some members of society might raise the alarm that the system is moving towards an impending collapse and therefore advocate structural changes to society in order to avoid it, Elites and their supporters, who opposed making these changes, could point to the long sustainable trajectory 'so far' in support of doing nothing."

However, the scientists point out that the worst-case scenarios are by no means inevitable, and suggest that appropriate policy and structural changes could avoid collapse, if not pave the way toward a more stable civilisation.

The two key solutions are to reduce economic inequality so as to ensure fairer distribution of resources, and to dramatically reduce resource consumption by relying on less intensive renewable resources and reducing population growth:

"Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion."

The NASA-funded HANDY model offers a highly credible wake-up call to governments, corporations and business - and consumers - to recognise that 'business as usual' cannot be sustained, and that policy and structural changes are required immediately.

Although the study is largely theoretical, a number of other more empirically-focused studies - by KPMG and the UK Government Office of Science for instance - have warned that the convergence of food, water and energy crises could create a 'perfect storm' within about fifteen years. But these 'business as usual' forecasts could be very conservative.

Dr Nafeez Ahmed is executive director of the Institute for Policy Research & Development and author of A User's Guide to the Crisis of Civilisation: And How to Save It among other books. Follow him on Twitter @nafeezahmed
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby jakell » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:29 am

I notice that the above blames 'unequal wealth distribution' for our unsustainable resource depletion, whereas it is the striving for economic parity that has accelerated this.
It also blames the 'elites' for this, that they are somehow preventing the rest of us from living more equitably, I would say that this is incorrect, the problems are inherent in ordinary people.

What strikes me is how these popular themes are being used to disguise what is a basically a stark, and frightening economic reality, as if wishing and blaming will save us somehow. The part about the cycle of civilisations is going along the right track, but veers off with the common claim that 'it's different this time', I don't really see how our present civilisation is different enough to prevent our decline.
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby BrandonD » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:16 am

jakell » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:29 am wrote:I notice that the above blames 'unequal wealth distribution' for our unsustainable resource depletion, whereas it is the striving for economic parity that has accelerated this.
It also blames the 'elites' for this, that they are somehow preventing the rest of us from living more equitably, I would say that this is incorrect, the problems are inherent in ordinary people.


Ultimately the system is to blame, but yes, in a way the elites are to blame for resource depletion, as well as preventing the rest of us from living more equitably. Of all people, they have the power and means to change the system and yet they do nothing, because those occupying the elite positions are there precisely because they are the most in accord with our thoroughly corrupt social and economic system which rewards and encourages the absolute worst qualities in human beings.

A system which naturally brings the lowest of humanity into the highest positions of authority and leadership. Represented in microcosm by crooked cops on the force promoting those of their rank who "play along" and don't rock the boat.

Yes, the "elites" are unfortunately just as bad as we say they are, because the system itself has precisely sorted them out.
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby jakell » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:49 am

I would say this 'system' you mention is something that is largely inherent in ordinary human nature, and therefore largely impossible to remove via a top down scenario. When we speak of elites, we are speaking of a top down thing.

The blame game and the wishing game are useful distractions though from the fact that we are speaking of hard and uncomfortable economic limits here, something that people will do amazing contortions to avoid thinking about.

One of these will be the 'new technology' card, which keeps cropping up with depressing regularity.
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby Sounder » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:26 am

The two key solutions are to reduce economic inequality so as to ensure fairer distribution of resources, and to dramatically reduce resource consumption by relying on less intensive renewable resources and reducing population growth:


These are more like requirements than solutions. For solutions, there must be a process to get from point A to point B. Given that our current dominant narrative relies on coercion as a tactic because we measure success by our ability to manipulate objects, it has no standing or ability to get us from point A to point B. A vertical authority distribution system will never reduce economic inequality, never; it’s not in its DNA.

So, where are the solutions?
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Re: A Practical Utopian’s Guide to the Coming Collapse

Postby jakell » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:05 am

Sounder » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:26 am wrote:
The two key solutions are to reduce economic inequality so as to ensure fairer distribution of resources, and to dramatically reduce resource consumption by relying on less intensive renewable resources and reducing population growth:


These are more like requirements than solutions. For solutions, there must be a process to get from point A to point B. Given that our current dominant narrative relies on coercion as a tactic because we measure success by our ability to manipulate objects, it has no standing or ability to get us from point A to point B. A vertical authority distribution system will never reduce economic inequality, never; it’s not in its DNA.

So, where are the solutions?


Well he hinted a sort of solution, and that is' reducing population growth', when we complete that equation though, it becomes clear that we are really talking of removing that third word, then we realise we are in the area of scary things, and most of the solutions here are scary, either physically or existentially.

I did poo-poo the idea of inequality earlier, which was being a bit clumsy, When Westerners talk of equality, they usually mean bringing people up to their standard of living, and it is this that is virtually impossble with our current resources and technology. Equality will work if we in the West were to drop ours considerably....see? I am an egalitarian after all.

Let's face it though, this is not going to happen. We love our energy slaves and won't give them up until they either leave us or become non-functional, this is what is going to happen anyway, but we're still stuck in a cycle of denial and bargaining for the time being.
When they do leave us though, those population questions may start to solve themselves to a degree.
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