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Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:03 pm wrote:Thanks for adding your expert insight, PufPuf. To me, it's as if the fungi are the forest's neural network, in complete symbiosis with trees and other contributory plant life, working together to discourage foreign intruders success, like non-native species. Can't say they think; more likely they react to chemical alterations occurring somewhere within their system, but they are somehow perceptive of strong human emotions. And music, too, good or awful.
I always told my vegan son that he'd feel allot different about eating plants, if he could hear their screams and be able to witness their fruitless struggle to escape certain death. Oh, they are trying to run away; you just can't see 'em doing it. Thank the plants both before and after eating them, for sharing their life-sustaining nutrients with you at the cost of their lives.
DrEvil » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:56 pm wrote:Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:03 pm wrote:Thanks for adding your expert insight, PufPuf. To me, it's as if the fungi are the forest's neural network, in complete symbiosis with trees and other contributory plant life, working together to discourage foreign intruders success, like non-native species. Can't say they think; more likely they react to chemical alterations occurring somewhere within their system, but they are somehow perceptive of strong human emotions. And music, too, good or awful.
I always told my vegan son that he'd feel allot different about eating plants, if he could hear their screams and be able to witness their fruitless struggle to escape certain death. Oh, they are trying to run away; you just can't see 'em doing it. Thank the plants both before and after eating them, for sharing their life-sustaining nutrients with you at the cost of their lives.
This is my go-to line when I want to rile up vegans too. They only eat things that can't fight back or run away. If they really cared they would go for a fully synthetic diet (probably not possible, but in principle at least). Life is life, and just because you can't hear them scream doesn't mean you're not killing and eating a living being.
Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:04 pm wrote:Sounds great! No grapefruit seed extract? No sesame, no tahini?
Probably been said: The question is, more pertinently: Can people think?
And if so, why would they?
Pele'sDaughter » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:29 am wrote:Probably been said: The question is, more pertinently: Can people think?
And if so, why would they?
It occurred to me this morning when I saw the topic title that perhaps plants have evolved past the need for "thought". They're certainly more successful than we are in non-technological areas of existence.
Sonic Succulents: Plant Sounds and Vibrations at Brooklyn Botanic Garden by Adrienne Adar
May 21 to October 27, 2019
Visitor Center & Gardenwide
Sonic Succulents: Plant Sounds and Vibrations at Brooklyn Botanic Garden by Los Angeles–based Adrienne Adar is an exciting installation of living interactive sound artworks. Adar amplifies familiar plants with handmade sensors so that visitors can interact with plant life through gentle touch and sound. This playful and surprising exhibition explores concepts around plant growth, communication, ecology, and sustainability. Installations around the Garden will deepen visitors’ understanding of and connection to the natural world.
https://www.bbg.org/visit/event/sonic_s ... ienne_adar
Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:17 pm wrote:Soon after posting earlier I was going through unfamiliar music from my son's vast collection when I came across this tune. Somehow, in my twisted mind, thinking it fit the topic of late, I felt like sharing it here. I'll link to the one I first found searching for the demo copy, right below the demo. Though, as I copied it, it begins with the song, but includes an entire scene leading up to the song taken from the HBO show. I had heard of Tenacious D before, but I had never heard his/their music and previously knew nothing of the show. I had been under the impression Tenacious D was a Rap star!
PufPuf93 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:45 am wrote:Pele'sDaughter » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:29 am wrote:Probably been said: The question is, more pertinently: Can people think?
And if so, why would they?
It occurred to me this morning when I saw the topic title that perhaps plants have evolved past the need for "thought". They're certainly more successful than we are in non-technological areas of existence.
I tend to view ecosystems at whatever level (Planet Earth to surface of soil particle) as organisms in of themselves composed of a variety of other organisms that communicate and express conditions of the environment over various time scales. Consciousness implies self-awareness but not necessarily how we conceive of awareness in a human sense. Disturbance by humans (or acts of nature) simplify plant communities in the gross and unseen levels and time is required to return to the prior level of complexity.
Cordelia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:57 am wrote:The Venus Flytrap video Chump posted up-thread is intriguing; the plant seems 'mindful' of its entrapment timing (What happens to the carcasses?) Warning: for yellow jacket lovers, graphic footage of their fate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhP7iQ79vS4
May be of interest to plant lovers in and around NYC:Sonic Succulents: Plant Sounds and Vibrations at Brooklyn Botanic Garden by Adrienne Adar
May 21 to October 27, 2019
Visitor Center & Gardenwide
Sonic Succulents: Plant Sounds and Vibrations at Brooklyn Botanic Garden by Los Angeles–based Adrienne Adar is an exciting installation of living interactive sound artworks. Adar amplifies familiar plants with handmade sensors so that visitors can interact with plant life through gentle touch and sound. This playful and surprising exhibition explores concepts around plant growth, communication, ecology, and sustainability. Installations around the Garden will deepen visitors’ understanding of and connection to the natural world.
https://www.bbg.org/visit/event/sonic_s ... ienne_adar
Beautiful drawing from Brian Zeigler's exhibit at BBG https://www.bbg.org/visit/event/exhibit ... an_zeigler
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