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Re: The Quenelle

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:12 pm

Thanks Stefano, for your helpful contribution to this thread.

And thank you to the completely 100 percent not racist posters for highlighting in advance some of the more objectionable and outlandish portions of the material you posted. That aside, I would invite you to kindly frig off and quit bringing this sort of bullshit here:

every possible crude Jewish symptom it was initially supposed to eradicate.

Jews are actually destined to bring disasters on themselves.

it is time for Jews to look in the mirror and try to identify what it is in Jews and their culture that evokes so much fury.

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Re: The Quenelle

Postby Project Willow » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:30 am

Bluenoseclaret is out for two weeks, and more if he/she can't post within the guidelines.
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby 82_28 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:13 am

You caught one, Willow! I glaze over on those posts about the joos and all OPs about such. Since you pulled the trigger on the suspension, I decided to read the comments in question and all I can say is YEP.

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Re: The Quenelle

Postby sije » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:04 pm

Project Willow » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:30 am wrote:Bluenoseclaret is out for two weeks, and more if he/she can't post within the guidelines.


What guidelines could Bluenoseclaret have violated?

I've searched for the guidelines to learn what I should be following but haven't found them.

The recent articles and comments Bluenoseclaret has posted may strike some as extreme but there comes a time when one needs to open one's eyes and take potential extremes into consideration, objectively.

The devastation of the two world wars and the continuation of genocide – an estimated 30 millions humans killed by Empire [ie, the financial industry] since WWII, and counting –, should give reason for reflection and open discussion, regardless of the ethnicity or religion to which potential warring parties may adhere.

Stop the censorship, here. Let contributors say what they have to say and face whatever counterarguments may be inspired by RI members. Isn't open discussion and exchange the point of a forum?, to surmount taboos and propaganda, to establish common ethical grounds for communication and exchange?

What guidelines did Bliuenoseclaret violate?
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby American Dream » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:20 pm

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/the ... e-quenelle

The Unwelcome Arrival of the Quenelle

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Nicolas Anelka celebrates a goal with a quenelle salute (YouTube, December 2013)

By Dave Rich - January 30, 2014


The scene is the Zenith de Paris theatre, December 2008. French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala is on stage, describing to his audience the genesis of the sketch they are about to watch. It is a response, he explains, to a hostile review by the “billionaire philosopher” Bernard-Henri Lévy—cue pantomime boos from the crowd—who had described Dieudonné’s previous show as “the biggest anti-Semitic meeting since the last world war.”

If you really want to “stick it to them the right way . . . to send them climbing up the wall,” he tells his cheering, laughing fans (without ever defining “them”), you will welcome on stage “the most unfrequentable person in France.” On walks Robert Faurisson, France’s best-known Holocaust denier, to applause, with Dieudonné shouting “Louder! Louder!” The audience responds to Dieudonné’s appeals by greeting Faurisson with cheers and whistles of acclaim.

The punch line to the sketch comes when Dieudonné calls on stage his assistant Jacky, in his “suit of light,” to give Faurisson an award “for unfrequentability and insolence.” Jacky’s “suit of light” is a mocked-up concentration camp uniform, complete with stitched-on yellow star. “Photographers, let it rip!” Dieudonné cries, as the three of them stand together on stage. “Look at the scandal! Let’s have an ovation!” And an ovation is what they get. “I’ve been treated, in my country, like a Palestinian,” Faurisson tells the audience. “I’m treated like a Palestinian and I can’t help making common cause with them.”

The manner in which Dieudonné maneuvered a Parisian audience into expressing its anti-establishment sentiments by cheering Robert Faurisson (has he ever had such an ovation, even from an exclusively far-right audience?) and laughing at Jacky’s “suit of light,” all on the premise of sticking it to “them,” shows the ease with which raw, old-fashioned anti-Semitism can be inserted into contemporary radical politics. “Making common cause” between Holocaust deniers, neo-fascists, the pro-Palestinian left, and the revolutionary Islamists of Iran is precisely what Dieudonné has spent the past decade trying to achieve. Originally from the political left, he has moved via anti-Israel rhetoric and the fascist Front National (FN) to the establishment of his own Parti Anti Sioniste (PAS, or Anti-Zionist Party). Alongside him in the PAS is essayist and filmmaker Alain Soral, who underwent a similar journey from the Marxist left to the FN before finding a political home with Dieudonné.

There are not many political movements that can embrace the neo-fascist right, the anti-capitalist left, and Iranian revolutionary Islamism. Dieudonné is close to FN leaders—Jean Marie Le Pen is godfather to one of his children—while also attracting fans who consider themselves to be left-wing radicals. He was a guest in Tehran of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and received Iranian funding for a film project. Historically, movements that successfully pulled off this kind of balancing act have tended to rely on anti-Semitism as their glue, expressed through the lingua franca of conspiracist anti-Zionism, and PAS is no different.

Strikingly, for a party that calls itself anti-Zionist, PAS’s political program makes no direct mention of Israel or Palestine. This is parochial, patriotic anti-Zionism, in which Zionism is portrayed primarily as a subversive, corrupting presence in French society. Zionist influence, domination, pressure, and advocacy must all be eliminated from “la Nation,” in order to establish a society of justice, progress, and tolerance. Only then can French power be restored at home and abroad. In 2009 PAS contested the European Elections on the slogan, to “Keep Europe free from censorship, communalism, speculators, and NATO.” In 2010 Dieudonné told Iran’s Press TV that France has been taken hostage by “the Zionist lobby.”

Dieudonné’s political vision could be mistaken for belonging to Europe’s radical right, but for the omission of immigration as a grievance. He could sit easily on the populist left, but for his friendship with the FN. His views carry echoes of the Third Positionist ideas developed by Nick Griffin and Roberto Fiore—who have both sat in the European Parliament—in the 1980s. He is emblematic of the a new, post–Cold War, post-9/11 radical politics, described by David Aaronovitch as “a loose coalition of impulses: anti-globalisation, broadly anti-modernist and anti-imperialist,”’ and bound together by an “anti-Israel tinge.’”

Dieudonné’s ethnicity (he is of French-Cameroonian parentage) and origins on the left have lulled some observers into viewing him as an example of a “new anti-Semitism,” originating in the left and in minority communities, and directed at Israel. This is a category error: Dieudonné’s anti-Semitism is very much of the old variety, blaming Jewish speculators and globalists for the erosion of Europe’s moral core and the sapping of the nation’s strength. However, whereas pre-war anti-Semites portrayed this Jewish influence as a hidden hand, pulling the strings of the elite, nowadays Jews are accused of being the very establishment themselves. Symbolized in France by Bernard-Henri Lévy, they are the new insiders—white, wealthy, and influential, accused of using their status to prevent others from achieving their rightful place in society. Thus, neo-fascist anti-Semitism that sees the “Big Jew” as the cause of all misfortune merges with the resentments of marginalized minorities, hoovering up the varied grievances of the disenfranchised into one amorphous movement. PAS’s program weaves classical anti-Semitism, reworked as conspiracist anti-Zionism, with a call for social justice and a lament for France’s lost power and purpose, thereby skillfully combining the populist anti-politics of left and right. It’s petty nationalism married to Occupy’s 99 percent.

This is the political movement that West Bromwich Albion striker Nicolas Anelka introduced to a British audience when he performed a quenelle salute upon scoring a goal in a Premier League match in December 2013—a salute he later dedicated to Dieudonné (the two are friends). It is claimed by Dieudonné’s defenders that the quenelle and what it represents—call it Quenellism—is an anti-system, not anti-Semitic, posture. For example, when the Manchester City footballer Samir Nasri was photographed performing a quenelle, he apologized, explaining that it “symbolizes being against the system.” Nasri has in fact done very well from “the system”: according to media reports he earns over £8 million annually playing football.

It may well be the case that not every quenellier is motivated by anti-Semitism; being “against the system” is cool, and Dieudonné has successfully helped the quenelle to become its signifying meme. For some it can genuinely represent a more general pose of rebellion against the structures and authorities that influence all of our lives, often not to our benefit. It appeals to some French footballers the way that gangsta rap appeals to some American sports stars. But Dieudonné’s association with the quenelle, as its inventor and popularizer, means that it can never be completely detached from his anti-Semitic politics. That Anelka not only performed a quenelle but then dedicated it to Dieudonné is doubly damning.

In France, the quenelle has become both cultural meme and political identifier for Dieudonné’s politics and the movement it has spawned. In place of the massed ranks of saluters or marchers that were the political theatre of totalitarianism, we have the viral online spread of quenelle selfies. This may be the first individualist mass movement of the social media age, in which there are no membership cards or party dues, no meetings in pubs or rallies in town centers; nothing more than a user-generated quenelle image is necessary to join, at a time and place and in a style of your choosing. Quenelle at Auschwitz? Fine. Quenelle at Upton Park? Fine. Quenelle in your living room? Fine. As long as you then tweet or post or blog your quenelle, you’re in. The power of this meme is demonstrated by its spread: Dieudonné has been much more successful in encouraging quenelliers than he was in attracting votes. However, this is also its political weakness: this is a mass movement of attitude rather than action, which so far has not translated into formal political power.

Now that the quenelle has arrived in Britain, the question arises as to the potential for Dieudonné’s politics to take root here. There is a plausible argument that anti-Semitic movements simply lack the potential in Britain that they have in France. Some of the most divisive episodes in the formation of modern France have revolved around Jews—or to be more precise, the Jewish Question. The granting of rights to Jews after the French Revolution; the Dreyfus Affair; the much-belated acknowledgement of Vichy France’s record and French collaboration in the Shoah during the Nazi occupation; are all events that lack parallels in modern British history, in which Jews have, to a certain extent, been protected by their marginality. Furthermore, Holocaust denial has had an association with the left in France, via political activists Paul Rassinier and later Pierre Guillaume, for example, that is lacking in Britain.

Yet it would be complacent to assume that Dieudonné’s anti-establishment appeal, expressed through angry, transgressive satire and political stunts, could not find a British audience. The personal followings of Nigel Farage MEP and George Galloway MP demonstrate the appetite in the UK for charismatic, populist anti-politics. The risk is heightened by the introduction of Quenellism to Britain via football, possibly the most culturally powerful and prominent stage of all. British football is a tribal world, where fans support their club against all rationality and young fans mimic their heroes’ goal celebrations in the park the next day. It is also one of the last remaining environments where mass anti-Semitic chanting is still heard in Britain from time to time, fueled by the tribal hatreds of inter-club rivalries. A Francophone comic with a taste for the surreal is likely to have trouble finding a mass audience in Britain; but his populist anti-politics, carrying a coded anti-Semitism and transmitted via social media, may have better luck in finding an audience.

Dave Rich is Deputy Director of Communications at the Community Security Trust.

This article will appear in the forthcoming issue of Fathom.
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby sije » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:57 pm

Heh, heh, and alonnnng comes American Dream, to drop his pile of ... um, text, in the place of an argument.

Hey, AD, why not take some time off, come to France, eat some good food, quenelles, maybe? they're delicious!, and see for yourself what fuels French frustration.

Hint: it is unrelated to ethnic discrimination; everything to do with the absurd repressive policies of the French government dominated by an unelected totalitarian European commission.
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:01 pm

some most people in the United States are oblivious to what is happening ...fascism....right under their noses and have to chase perceived windmills abroad to fill their time

the Koch brothers are worth 85 billion dollars and they are buying up this country one state at a time

we've got plenty to worry about in our own house...let alone pretending to know what is happening elsewhere
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby American Dream » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:31 pm

sije » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:57 pm wrote:Heh, heh, and alonnnng comes American Dream, to drop his pile of ... um, text, in the place of an argument.

Hey, AD, why not take some time off, come to France, eat some good food, quenelles, maybe? they're delicious!, and see for yourself what fuels French frustration.

Hint: it is unrelated to ethnic discrimination; everything to do with the absurd repressive policies of the French government dominated by an unelected totalitarian European commission.


And that's all the fault of the, umm, "zionists"?
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby solace » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:48 pm

American Dream » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:31 pm wrote:
sije » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:57 pm wrote:Heh, heh, and alonnnng comes American Dream, to drop his pile of ... um, text, in the place of an argument.

Hey, AD, why not take some time off, come to France, eat some good food, quenelles, maybe? they're delicious!, and see for yourself what fuels French frustration.

Hint: it is unrelated to ethnic discrimination; everything to do with the absurd repressive policies of the French government dominated by an unelected totalitarian European commission.


And that's all the fault of the, umm, "zionists"?


If you haven't already, read his first post here. It spells it out pretty clearly.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37586&p=532306#p532306

except how there's no ethnic discrimination when doing the quenelle outside concentration camps, places where little Jewish girls were slaughtered and holocaust memorials etc. That part was kinda sketchy.
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby jakell » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:06 am

solace » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:48 am wrote:If you haven't already, read his first post here. It spells it out pretty clearly.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37586&p=532306#p532306

except how there's no ethnic discrimination when doing the quenelle outside concentration camps, places where little Jewish girls were slaughtered and holocaust memorials etc. That part was kinda sketchy.


This looks weird to me. Why the focus on little Jewish girls?

Is this some sort of significant demographic I've missed out on?
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:03 am

you know it's one of the seven "things"

in combo with solace's other statement

Solace understands exactly where you are coming from. It must be awful being controlled by all those Jews you poor thing.
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby solace » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:16 pm

UK: France striker Nicolas Anelka fined €97,000 and banned over controversial ‘quenelle’ gesture

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French striker Nicolas Anelka has been fined £80,000 (€97,000) and banned for five games over his controversial ‘quenelle’ goal celebration.

The Football Association charged the former Paris Saint-Germain forward with ‘aggravated misconduct’ after the alleged anti-Semitic gesture in December.

Anelka has said the gesture – which has been described as an inverted Nazi salute – was not racist, but instead a tribute to his French comedian friend Dieudonne M’Bala M’Bala who invented it.

The FA said in a statement: “An Independent Regulatory Commission has found an aggravated breach of FA Rule E3 against Nicolas Anelka proven and has issued a five-match suspension and a fine of 80,000 pounds, pending appeal.”

The punishment is suspended until the outcome of any appeal or until the player informs the FA of his decision not to appeal.

The salute was made in the English Premier League on December 28, after West Brom striker Anelka scored in a 3-3 draw with West Ham United.


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Re: The Quenelle

Postby bluenoseclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:42 pm

Introduction — Feb 28, 2014

"The following reveals the depth of Zionist control of the Western media. Here we have the Telegraph’s ‘Football correspondent’ with what is essentially a politically charged commentary on a decision by the Football Association, the sports governing body in the UK.

Forget sport. This is about politics, pure and simple. Or more precisely it’s fabricated outrage over the refusal of the sports governing body to condemn a footballer for showing his allegiance with French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala, whose quenelle gesture is alleged to be “anti-Semitic”.

No matter that Dieudoone claims the gesture is a signal of defiance and allegiance with oppressed people everywhere, including the Palestinians. The fact that entertainers and even sportsman are now making this gesture is now seen as “anti-Semitic”. Or at least so the Telegraph’s “football correspondent” would have us believe.

Hence his readiness to condemn the sports governing body’s decision.

Why has the Football Association been so lenient with a man who is “friendly with a notorious bigot”, asks Henry Winter? A man who Winter admits in the same sentence is also “one of the most intelligent footballers in the Premier League”.

Why indeed? Could it be that the sports governing body has decided that no real crime had been committed and that only a token slap on the wrist was necessary?

Winter’s commentary reveals how thoroughly the corporate media is controlled by Zionist interests. Even down to the lowliest football commentator, who can seen furthering his own career interests below by his condemnation of the Football Association’s refusal to castigate Anelka.


Football Association suffers another severe hit to its credibility after Nicolas Anelka’s quenelle ban

Henry Winter — Telegraph Whore...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... e-ban.html
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby American Dream » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:09 pm

bluenoseclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:42 pm wrote:
"The following reveals the depth of Zionist control of the Western media.


I like this much better:

http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/20 ... ic-plague/

The Dieudonnic Plague

January 31, 2014

David Rich has a very good, and very depressing article on Dieudonne and his kind:-

“Making common cause” between Holocaust deniers, neo-fascists, the pro-Palestinian left, and the revolutionary Islamists of Iran is precisely what Dieudonné has spent the past decade trying to achieve. Originally from the political left, he has moved via anti-Israel rhetoric and the fascist Front National (FN) to the establishment of his own Parti Anti Sioniste (PAS, or Anti-Zionist Party). Alongside him in the PAS is essayist and filmmaker Alain Soral, who underwent a similar journey from the Marxist left to the FN before finding a political home with Dieudonné.

There are not many political movements that can embrace the neo-fascist right, the anti-capitalist left, and Iranian revolutionary Islamism. Dieudonné is close to FN leaders—Jean Marie Le Pen is godfather to one of his children—while also attracting fans who consider themselves to be left-wing radicals. He was a guest in Tehran of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and received Iranian funding for a film project. Historically, movements that successfully pulled off this kind of balancing act have tended to rely on anti-Semitism as their glue, expressed through the lingua franca of conspiracist anti-Zionism, and PAS is no different.

Strikingly, for a party that calls itself anti-Zionist, PAS’s political program makes no direct mention of Israel or Palestine. This is parochial, patriotic anti-Zionism, in which Zionism is portrayed primarily as a subversive, corrupting presence in French society.


Radio 4′s The Report had the journalist Helen Grady interviewing Dieudonne’s friends and followers. Sometimes they said “Zionist” where they obviously meant “Jewish” and sometimes they said, “I’m not antisemitic but Jews run everything”. Also, Dieudonne gave them the thrill of saying, or just hinting at, the forbidden. – not just “you don’t say that” but “you can’t say that” because it’s illegal in a state with laws against Holocaust denial. This was interpreted as special treatment for Jews while other minorities are fair game.

I was sorry the reporter didn’t ask them to explain who these Zionists are and what are these utterances that are so dammed by the laws – not that I agree with Holocaust denial laws or anti free speech and expression laws in general. In fact I would like to know how much these laws exacerbate the sense of resentment that is one of the emotional bases of Fascism. Certainly breaking them, or hinting that you were, gave the audience a lovely outsider frisson.

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Anti-Zionist and Anti-Establishment

Some of these gagged folk came from immigrant communities – their parents from North Africa say – and they had good words to say of the Front National – at least they’re honest when the rest are hypocrites.

It was your worst gibbering blog thread taking flesh, with hideous whiffs of the 1930s, in all their bizarre irrationality.

Rich concludes with a warning for those who think It Can’t Happen Here:-

. .it would be complacent to assume that Dieudonné’s anti-establishment appeal, expressed through angry, transgressive satire and political stunts, could not find a British audience. The personal followings of Nigel Farage MEP and George Galloway MP demonstrate the appetite in the UK for charismatic, populist anti-politics. .. A Francophone comic with a taste for the surreal is likely to have trouble finding a mass audience in Britain; but his populist anti-politics, carrying a coded anti-Semitism and transmitted via social media, may have better luck in finding an audience..


The anti-establishment comedian who thinks all political institutions are a waste of time is Russell Brand, but to do him justice, he is nothing like as malevolent as Dieudonne, and I can’t see him doing Holocaust jokes or chumming up with David Irving. I can’t see him getting in bed with UKIP either, which is the closest thing here to the Front National. I don’t keep up with popular culture, and there may be obvious candidates for the Dieudonne role that I’ve missed.

Respect was a party that pulled in some of the political groups that are attracted to Dieudonne:- the pro-Palestinian Left and Islamists, and no doubt Holocaust deniers would pop up in such a crowd. Gilad Atzmon would be the obvious entertainer, but he’s not a man of any great charisma or the popular touch. However, it’s hard to think of the neo-Fascist right finding a home there, and Respect is now mostly a fantasy in Galloway’s head.
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Re: The Quenelle

Postby solace » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:48 pm

Zionist control of the media? And you didn't list the source which was the antisemitic dung hole, The Truthseeker. Some posters never change, just keep getting bolder.
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