True Detective on HBO

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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby stefano » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:21 am

Jerky » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:50 am wrote:My oh my, what dainty, saintly company I find myself in, here, where even so humble a personage as the late, great H.P. Lovecraft - who went all but unrecognized in his lifetime and died a pauper - can angry up the "anti-fascist" blood, set the hens to cluck-cluck-clucking, and cause a veritable sewer-gush of politically correct hand-wringing and back slapping from you holy, blameless creatures.

Pardon me while I never stop throwing up at you smug, condescending fuckwits.

Sincerely,
Yer old pal Jerky

Wow, hectic. Is four posts in a row a "veritable sewer-gush"? Seems too few, plus they were short. Anyway Lovecraft was a virulent racist, which is not irrelevant to the content of his work. And, as you've illustrated, his fans are very thin-skinned about it. So there's really nothing weird about that coming up in the context of Ligotti.

Perhaps a step towards a new RI would be for us to resist the temptation of, in every post, trying to set ourselves apart from the rest of RI as superior in some way.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby chump » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:14 pm

AD mentioned this long, fascinating, rambling five part analysis in the tids thread, and I thought it could be mentioned here as well.


American Dream » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:17 am wrote:I don't have the time or energy to reproduce the full article with all its embedded links here, but it leads towards a conclusion that is very relevant to the above allegations of Roman Catholic linkages to sexual abuse and LSD experimentation in Australia:

On the Far Side of the Psychosphere Part III




This is how the website describes itself:.
This is VISUP, dedicated to exploring the vast Fortean realms of mind control, deep politics, sacred geometry, onomatology and synchronicity; occult film and music; the supernatural, the extraterrestrial and the multi-dimensional; high weirdness in all its many forms.



Here are some pieces of the parts:


http://visupview.blogspot.com/2014/10/o ... art-i.html
On the Far Side of the Psychosphere Part I

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... But for now at least I have no hesitation in recommending the series and shall attempt an analysis of the first season. The show follows the lives of two detectives, Martin Hart (Harrelson) and Rustin Cohle (McConaughey). These two men, partners, could hardly be more polar opposite of one another. As played by Woody Harrelson, the Hart character no doubt perceives himself as the All American Boy done grown up as the show opens. And to be sure, he has reason for this perception: Hart is the head of an equally All American nuclear family which he supports as a police officer. He's successful, well liked by his coworkers and poised for a position in upper management.

And yet this persona, much like the world Martin Hart lives in, is but an illusion. Marty struggles to relate to women as anything other than sexual objects throughout the show. At one point when reaching for a cherished moment during his early years with his wife Maggie (Michelle Monaghan), he recounts how they barely left his bedroom during the weekends. When he's first paired with Cohle, Marty is in the midst of an affair with a court clerk who looks like a younger version of his wife. After this affair nearly ends his marriage, he begins another one in 2002 with Beth (Lili Simmons), one of witnesses from the grizzly 1995 murder the show revolves around.

Marty (Harrelson) and Maggie (Monaghan)
When Marty first encountered her in 1995, he was outraged that she was working as a prostitute despite being under the age of consent. When Marty vents at her madam, the older woman astutely remarks: "Girls walk this Earth all the time screwin' for free. Why is it you add business to the mix and boys like you can't stand the thought? I'll tell you. It's cause suddenly you don't own it the way you thought you did."

Certainly Marty displays no real qualms about beginning an affair with Beth in 2002 despite her obvious problems and the likelihood that an affair with a married man who's old enough to be her father will surely only contribute further to them. Nor does he grasp the utter hypocrisy he displays upon finding his own daughter, at the age of 16, engaged in sexual intercourse in the back of a car with two boys over the age of 18. While Marty certainly seems to appreciate "loose women" outside his family, he calls his daughter "slut" and slaps her after engaging in behavior he likely partook in a time or two during his own wayward youth.

Audrey (Erin Moriatry), Marty's daughter
Marty takes his role as a police officer no more seriously than he does being a husband and father. He is shown time and again abusing his position as a cop when his emotions get the best of him. The most blatant instance is the beating he delivers to the two boys found with his daughter after he's left alone with them in a cell block. At another point he assaults a college boy taken home by the court clerk he was having an affair with. And then of course there's the handcuffed suspect that he murders, thus enabling the cult he was a part of to flourish for anther decade plus. But only occasionally does he wonder if he's a bad man.

As played by Harrelson the Hart character, despite being easy going and immensely likable, always seems to project a certain edge beneath his amicable demeanor. In many ways the same could be said of Harrelson himself. While well established now as a dramatic actor, Harrelson first connected with the public during his time on Cheers and is still closely linked to comedy. And yet Harrelson came from a family background as dark as any in Hollywood. Consider the strange and terrible saga of Charles Harrelson, Woody's dad:

"Ladies man, raconteur and natural born killer Charles V. 'Charlie' Harrelson got out of Leavenworth Penitentiary in 1978, where he been caged for two years after serving several years in various jail and state prisons on a murder charge. Charlie was ready and raring to go. He moved to Dallas and hooked up with Peter Kay, his childhood friend from Huntsville, Texas. Kay was a member of the Dixie Mafia, a confederation of ex-cons known for violence across the Gulf Coast. They engaged in high-profit burglaries and contract killings, illegal gambling, pornography and drugs, in league with Mafia bosses in Dallas. Kay was also closely connected to the Banditos motorcycle gang.

"While in Dallas in late April and early May 1979, Kay set up a card game between Jimmy Chagra and Charlie Harrelson, who had put his hours in prison to good use perfecting card tricks. During this period they also plan the murder of federal Judge John Wood, the presiding judge in Chagra's pending drug case.

"Why? Jimmy's motives may have been revenge, for he certainly could not prevent a jury from convicting him by killing Judge Wood. Or, he could have been doing the bidding of the hardened criminals to whom he owed his life. Charlie's motive was purely financial. According to some observers, Jimmy Chagra, Charlie Harrelson and Jo Ann Starr were pawns of a larger plot managed by Pete Kay on behalf of organized crime. In any event, Jimmy and Charlie agreed, and Charlie's wife Jo Ann Starr (Kay's former lover) purchased the rifle allegedly used to kill Judge Wood.

"The murder plot was already in motion when a grand jury returned an indictment on May 22, 1979, charging Jimmy with masterminding an extensive drug trafficking empire in Texas and Florida. Wood scheduled the trial for May 29 in San Antonio. That morning, as Wood walked to his car, which was parked in front of his condo, he was shot in the back with a high-powered rifle.

"Three years later at Harrelson's murder trial, cab driver Wesley Coddington would claim that he had picked up Charlie at the airport on May 28 and driven him to the townhouse complex where Wood lived. Another witness, Chrys Lambros, a 28-year-old attorney, recalled bumping into Harrelson in the condo parking lot less than an hour before the shooting that left Judge Wood dead on the sidewalk. Their testimony, along with that of Hampton Robinson IIII and a few other witnesses, would lead to Harrelson's conviction in 1982.

"The peculiar thing is that three days after the assassination, Robinson called FBI Agent Robert Wyatt. An independently wealthy heroin addict and occasional criminal, Robinson socialized with Dixie mobsters Peter Kay and Charlie Harrelson. However, he had developed a grudge against Charlie after Charlie seduced his girlfriend. Seeking revenge, he told FBI Agent Wyatt that Charlie had bragged about having just done 'a job' and was coming to stay with him. Wyatt inferred that the job was killing Judge Wood, at which point Wyatt opened the FBI's investigation of Charlie Harrelson."

(The Strength of the Pack, Douglas Valentine, pgs. 359-360)


This was hardly the only peculiarity in Harrelson's conviction, or the murder in general. Wood's assassination and the legendary Jimmy Chagra's drug empire have also been compellingly linked to a crime syndicate known as "The Company." Founded by former Army officer Drew Thornton, and filled with various law enforcement personnel, The Company would become heavily involved in drug and arms trafficking by the early 1980s. There has long been suspicion that the Company had some type of tactical approval by elements within the US intelligence community at some point as well. Even stranger are the links researcher Peter Levenda made between The Company and the long alleged Son of Sam cult in the third book of his groundbreaking Sinister Forces trilogy.

The alleged Son of Sam cult is far beyond the scope of this series to address in depth, but it almost surely served as some type of inspiration for True Detective. First advanced by researcher Maury Terry in his 1986 work The Ultimate Evil, the Son of Sam cult was allegedly an offshoot of the notorious Process Church of the Final Judgment. Allegedly this cult was not only behind the Son of Sam murders, but also the Manson killings, the Arlis Perry murder, the Atlanta child murders, and a host of other offenses. While this researcher has expressed serious skepticism concerning Terry's theory, some compelling links have been unearthed over the years.


both David Berkowitz (top) and Charles Manson (bottom) have been linked to some type of "serial killer cult" over the years that bears some similarity to the cult depicted in True Detective
Interestingly, one of the individuals linked by Terry to the Son of Sam cult was William Mentzer, a low level criminal who was eventually convicted in the murder of producer Roy Radin in what the press dubbed the "Cotton Club murders" (due to Radin's initial involvement in the film). Prior to this incident Mentzer had worked as a bodyguard for pornographer Larry Flynt (who may have had dealings with The Company to boot). Woody Harrelson would of course go on to achieve great acclaim (and an Oscar nomination) for his portrayal of Flynt in The People vs. Larry Flynt.

coincidence?
If all of this wasn't strange enough, there's also the fact that Charlie Harrelson has been famously linked to the Kennedy assassination as well...


Part 1 continues:
... Cohle is something of a Lovecraftian figure, or at least the popular perception of Lovecraft. On the one hand, Cohle is a militant atheist and nihilist at the onset of the show who describes human consciousness as a tragic misstep in evolution. He holds organized religion in utter contempt and perceives it as a poison to humanity, much to Marty's shock. And yet, despite being a staunch materialist and rationalist, Cohle frequently resorts to what could be described as the supernatural to solve cases throughout the show.

Lovecraft, the materialist who allegedly derived many of the ideas for his "weird fiction" from horrific night terrors he suffered from
This is most evident in Cohle's ability to illicit confessions from criminals. The show indicates that Cohle is what is sometimes referred to as an "empath" or a "sensitive" and he uses this ability to determine a suspect's guilt or innocence. He has an uncanny ability to emotionally and psychologically relate to a suspect even if he hold's that individuals world view in contempt (this is most evident when he uses religion to coerce confessions). At one point he boasts to a pair of detectives that he's never been in a room with a suspect longer than two minutes without knowing whether they were guilty or innocent.


Rust also experiences visions throughout the show. He claims that they are the result of years of drug abuse he engaged in while working under cover. While he superficially dismisses them as mere hallucinations, his vision frequently seem to appear when Rust is close to a key clue and it is indicated that he uses them to solve crimes. Rust also makes proclamations such as being able to almost "smell the psychosphere" after the odor of aluminum and ash is present to him at the site where Dora Lange's body was found.

one of Rust's many hallucinations
The word "psychosphere" has its origins in weird fiction and is a concept similar to Carl Jung's notion of the collective unconscious in which the human mind is influenced by archetypes older than time. It can also be linked to the concept of "twilight language", a psychological type of communication based around numerology, onomatology, toponymy and good old fashioned synchronicity. It is in this hidden sphere that Cohle operates upon and does his best detective work in. Is this what the show's title alludes too?

Actor Matthew McConaughey doesn't have the same type of curious background as Woody Harrelson, nor is filmography as compelling. Indeed, McConaughey had shown little interest in anything other than low brow romantic comedies in recent years. It is interesting to note, however, that twenty years prior to the airing of True Detective McConaughey appeared in a film with some plot similarities to Detective: Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation. This bizarre sequel in the popular horror series recast Leatherface and his family as part of a cult network of serial killers controlled by the Illuminati (seriously). I've already written much more on this film before here. But back to True Detective.

McConaughey in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation
The narrative juggles separate time lines throughout its eight episodes, with the series bouncing back and forth between the years 1995 and 2012 (and a host of points in between) from the very first episode. The year 1995 is when detectives Martin Hart and Rustin Cohle were assigned the bizarre murder of Dora Lange while the year 2012 witnesses the emergence of another body that may be linked to the '95 murder. This makes for a difference of seventeen years. Interestingly, when Marty and Maggie finally split for good in 2002 (after Maggie coaxes Rust into sleeping with her and using her infidelity to humiliate Marty with), it comes after seventeen years together as well.

As regular readers of this blog know, the number seventeen is loaded with significance...


from part 3:
http://visupview.blogspot.com/2014/10/o ... t-iii.html

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...Most disturbing of all, however, is the fact that the world depicted in True Detective has a clear historical basis. During the aftermath of the JFK assassination one of the most enigmatic figures to appear in it, prostitute and some time drug mule Rose Cherami, alleged that a ring engaged in drug and arms trafficking as well as prostitution existed throughout the Gulf States and was protected by powerful figures.

"... On 20 November 1963, Rose Cheramie was found on a Louisiana Road, dazed and bruised. She was taken to a private hospital where she told the doctor the JFK was going to be killed during his forthcoming visit to Dallas. Later that day, Cheramie was released in the custody of Louisiana state policeman Francis Fruge, and while Fruge was taking her to the state hospital Cheramie said she'd been traveling from Florida to Dallas with two men who 'were Italian or resembled Italians.' She didn't know their names, but they'd stopped at a lounge for drinks. An argument ensued, Cheramie was evicted and, as she stood outside the lounge, she was struck a glancing blow by a car. She also repeated to Fruge her claim that President Kennedy was going to be killed. But because she was a prostitute and a drug addict, neither Fruge nor the doctor believed her – at least, not until the afternoon of 22 November.

"On 27 November, Fruge interviewed Cheramie again, and she expounded on her story. She said the Italians were taking her to Dallas to obtain $8000, so they could buy eight kilograms of heroin from a seaman. The seaman was to meet them in Houston after disembarking in Galveston. Cheramie gave Fruge the name of the seaman and the ship. As they were on the way to Houston to check out her story, Cheramie told Fruge that she was a stripper at Jack Ruby's nightclub in Dallas, and that she had seen Ruby and Oswald together. She said she was part of a Mafia operation in which call girls were rotated between cities, and that Ruby had sent her to Miami on 18 November.

"When contacted by Fruge, the Customs agents in charge of Galveston verified that the seaman was being investigated for drug smuggling. The Coast Guard likewise confirmed that it was interested in the ship named by Cheramie regarding its role in drug smuggling operations. But the state narcotics bureaus in Texas and Oklahoma found Cheramie's information 'erroneous is in all respects,' and when the HSCA asked Customs to produce the agents she had name, and their reports, Customs officials said that neither the agents nor reports could be found.

"The HSCA let this promising lead drop without attempting to talk to Customs agents like William Hughes, who vividly recalls 'Nutty Nate' Durham as the feckless agent in charge of Galveston in 1963. Nate may have been alive in 1978, but the CIA did not allow Customs to identify him or provide his reports to Congress. The reason for this subterfuge comes as no surprise: some of Nutty Nate's colleagues on the Galveston case were CIA officers operating under Customs cover, as part of the special unit organized in Houston by David Ellis. Members of this unit facilitated the activities of anti-Castro drug smuggling terrorist groups in the US, which is why the FBI also 'decided to pursue the case no further.

"Neither Customs, nor the Coast Guard, nor the FBI, nor any state narcotics bureau revealed the existence of the Galveston drug ring to the FBN. But Fruge did tell congressional investigators that the Cuban Revolutionary Council's delegate in New Orleans, Sergio Arcacha Smith, may have been one of the men who had accompanied and abused Rose Cheramie. Smith's CRC office was located in the same building as Oswald's notional Fair Play for Cuba office at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans, and Guy Banister, a former FBI agent in Chicago, had gotten Smith his office space. Smith and one of Banister's employees, David Ferrie, 'were also believed to have ties with organized crime figure Carlos Marcello.'"

(The Strength of the Wolf, Douglas Valentine, pgs. 312-313)...

Much more information of this Gulf Coast-based crime ring, which allegedly involved the prostitution and trafficking of underage girls, and its ties to the Kennedy assassination can be found here.

While we're on this topic, its also interesting to note the use of the Texas town of Beaumont in a key episode of season one. Beaumont was said to be a key base of operations for a cult known as the "Hand of Death" by serial killer Henry Lee Lucas. It was alleged by another convicted serial killer, David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz, to be a location used by members of a cult he claimed to have been involved with, sometimes referred to as "the Children". Beaumont is also one of the only areas in Texas to possess the ever mysterious Indian mounds, which have attracted so much high weirdness throughout this nation's history. The Native American tribe who built them there seem to have been cannibals to boot.

"... Another mound site, of possibly less importance, lies in Beaumont, Texas – a site that shows up in both the Son of Sam case, as well as in the Henry Lee Lucas case. According to Lucas, the 'Hand of Death' cult that he insisted existed in Texas, and was responsible for murders throughout the United States, was based in or around Beaumont at one point, and was responsible for the murder of a lawyer there. Beaumont, a suburb of Houston, and is where Sam cultist John Carr's ex-wife lived with her daughter. Berkowitz visited Beaumont when he obtained the famous .44 Charter Arms Bulldog revolver that was used in the Sam killings. Houston has been identified in the same literature is a cult center for the group rivaling Los Angeles; Minot, North Dakota; and New York City.

"According to Beaumont: A Guide to the City and Its Environs 'compiled and written by the Federal Writers' Project of the Work Projects Administration in the State of Texas' and published circa 1939, the area had been home to a tribe of Native Americans known as the Attacapas. This name, we are informed, comes from the Choctaw words hatak (man) and apa (each). In other words, they were cannibals. On page 25, the anonymous but federally-funded writers go on to state,

"'They told of a deluge that once destroyed the world except for those people who live on high land. The women of the tribe, using the shoulder blades of buffalo for spades, were made to build great earthen [sic] mounds with their hands, and atop these mounds the big chiefs had their lodges.'

"Some of these mounds still exist in the Beaumont area, or did at the time the book was compiled.

"Thus, we have cannibals and mound-builders in the same breath. We are told that the Attacapas (like the ancient Sumerians) believe their origin was in the sea, so they tended to stay near the water as much as possible, building their mounds on the banks of the Neches River that winds through Beaumont like gentle persuasion. In fact, the Attacapas mounds are the only evidence of a mount-building culture in the entire State of Texas, aside from a set of mounds on a farm near Nagodoches."

(Sinister Forces Book III, Peter Levenda, pgs. 421-422)...



A piece from part 5:

http://visupview.blogspot.com/2014/11/o ... art-v.html
Not long after arriving at the Childress residence Cohle spots Errol and gives chase. After a brief pursuit in the swamps Childress leads Rust inside a labyrinth-like structure the show refers to as "Carcosa" (taken from Robert W. Chambers legendary piece of weird fiction The King in Yellow) that echoes the megaliths of Antiquity. As I noted in the second installment, this structure may have been partly inspired by the Irish megalithic site known as New Grange as well as the mythological Labyrinth of ancient Crete. It is here that the Tuttle cult likely performed their ritualistic sacrifices of children and others. The historic labyrinth of Knossos (the capital of ancient Crete) certainly had a clear association with human sacrifice.

"The confusing maze of corridors, moreover, is an inept design for a residence. But a maze is what one finds at Knossos. A labyrinth, to use his real name, a word assimilated into Greek from the pre-Greek language, as is the name of Knossos itself. A labyrinth is the 'place of the labrys.' A 'labrys' is a double axe, an axe with edges the cut in both directions. It was a symbol of the religion practiced at Knossos, like the crucifixion in Christianity. Ornamental golden exemplars have been found, as well as much sturdier implements for actual use.

"And like the cross, it was the symbol of the sacrificial death. The labrys was used to slaughter the bull, and the bull was the taurine manifestation of the bovine Queen's consort. Originally not a bull, but the consort himself, was the victim. Between the two edges of an axe that cuts in both directions is the sharp divide, the razor's edge, the midmost point – beyond which lies another world. The labrys symbolizes renewal through death, and when kings became less expendable, other humans came to be substituted in the king's role, supposedly as willing sacrificial victims, uniting the living with the dead to revitalize the fertility of the goddess and of the mortal women who joined as a trinity of sisters in her worship. The labyrinth itself, with with its contorted and confusing passageways, was emblematic of the Goddess, like a maze of entrails leading to the womb, which is the gateway for life and death.

"At the center of the labyrinth of Knossos was a courtyard, where the offering of human victims was performed as an acrobatic dance with a real bull. Both males and females were afforded this deadly honor, two groups of seven each year, at the time of the Theseus, before he put an end to the practice. As the bull lunged, the dancers were expected to grasp the bull's horns and attempt to flip themselves in a somersault through the horns and over the bull's back, to land gracefully upright behind bull. A difficult task, and more often, no doubt the dancer failed, but even a close brush with death might satisfy the need, or demonstrate the deity's moment of benevolence. The narrow and dangerous passageway through the horns was another way that these people symbolized the point where life and death convened."

(The World of Classical Myth, Carl A.P. Ruck & Danny Staples, pg. 28)


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a labrys

When Cohle and Childress meet for their final battle, it is in a courtyard that also seems to be at the center of Carcosa. Childress attacks Cohle with a hatchet, which closely resembles the ritualistic axes used at Knossos. Childress stabs Cohle in the stomach with a knife and lifts him up into the air. This particular struggle almost has elements of a dance, or even wrestling, with a bull.


But let us return to the prospects of human sacrifices in labyrinth structures for a moment. Robert Graves believed that the bull-cult of Crete derived from an earlier partridge cult that sacrificed youths and maidens.

"It seems, then, that in the pesach bull-cult had been superimposed on a partridge cult; and that the Minotaur, to whom youths and maidens (from Athens and elsewhere) were sacrificed had once represented the decoy partridge in the middle of a brushwood maze, towards which the others were lured for their death dance. He was, in fact, the centre of a ritual performance, originally honouring the Moon-goddess, the lascivious hen-partridge, who at Athens and in parts of Crete was the mother and lover of the Sun-hero Talus. But the dance of the hobbling cock-partridge was later transformed into one honouring the Moon-goddess Pasiphae, the cow in heat, mother and lover of the Sun-hero, the bull-headed Minos. Thus, the spirally-danced Troy-game (called the 'Crane dance' in Delos because it was adapted there to the cult of the Moon-goddess as Crane) had the same origin as the pesach. The case is proved by Homer who wrote:

Daedalus in Cnossos once contrived
A dancing-floor for fair-haired Ariadne

"– a verse, which these scholiast explains as referring to the Labyrinth dance; and by Lucian who in his Concerning the Dance, a mine of mythological tradition, gives as the subjects of Cretan dances: 'the myths of Europe, Pasiphae, the two bulls, the Labyrinth, Adriadne, Phaedra [daughter of Pasiphae], Androgeuos [son of Minos], Icarus, Glaucus [raised by Aesculapius from the dead], the magic of Polyidus, and of Talus the bronze man who did his sentry round in Crete.' Polyidus means 'the many-shaped' and since the Corinthian hero of that name had no connexion with Crete, the dance was probably the shape-shifting dance of Zagreus at the Cretan Lenaea.

"Here some loose ends can be tied up. The maze pattern has been shown to represent 'Spiral Castle' or 'Troy Town', which the sacred Sun-king goes after death and from which, if lucky, he returns..."

(The White Goddess, Robert Graves, pg. 329)


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The legendary mythologist Joseph Campbell believed that these various motifs --a subterranean megalith, spirals and a child-consuming monster, among other things --were all inked to initiation rituals concerned with birth and death from a very ancient date.

"The fear of the dark, which is so strong in children, has been said to be a function of their fear of returning to the womb: the fear that their recently achieved daylight consciousness and not yet secure individuality should be reabsorbed. In archaic art, the labyrinth – home of the child-consuming Minotaur – was represented in the figure of a spiral. The spiral also appears spontaneously in certain stages of meditation, as well as to people going to sleep under ether. It is a prominent device, furthermore, at the silent entrances and within the dark passages of the ancient Irish kingly burial mound of New Grange. These facts suggest that a constellation of images denoting the plunge and dissolution of consciousness in the darkness of non--being must have been employed intentionally, from an early date, to represent the analogy of threshold rites to the mystery of the entry of the child into the womb for birth..."

(The Masks of God: Primitive Mythology, Joseph Campbell, pgs. 67-68)

the entrance to New Grange
This association of the labyrinth and the spiral with the dissolution of consciousness will be especially relevant to the experience Cohle undergoes after his battle with Childress. As noted above, there is also a close link with death and resurrection to the labyrinth, two processes of which Cohle seems to undergo during his time in the labyrinth. But more on that in a moment.

Before leaving this topic, its also worth noting the association the Minotaur has with the sun. Of it, Kenneth Grant noted:

"... Crowley mentions the worship of Apis the bull, in a certain labyrinth in Crete. This worship derived from Egypt. The bull was white. At the Feast of the Vernal Equinox twelve virgins were sacrificed to it, twelve being symbolic of the number of houses through which the sun passes during his annual cycle. In each case the bull used the virgins after the manner of the legend of Pasiphae. The ceremony was performed with the intention of obtaining a Minotaur, an incarnation of the sun, a messiah. A variation of this sacrifice involved the immolation of the bull. A virgin was placed in the hot carcass and violated by the High Priest. She finally choked in the bull's blood, during orgasm."

(The Magical Revival, Kenneth Grant, pg. 46)

Now, let us reconsider Rust's final confrontation with Childress. He goes after the murderer clad in a white shirt (it is common in many tradition for candidates undergoing some type of initiation to be clad in white) and follows him into "Carcosa", a subterranean lair echoing various megalithic structures of Antiquity (most notably the Labyrinth and New Grange) and engages with Childress in an almost literal "dance of death." All of these things are elements present in numerous variations in the "killing of the divine king" custom that appears the world over.

does Childress actually say the above lines to Rust or is he only hearing them in his mind? ...
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby redsock » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:10 pm

The successful first season of the show, which starred Harrelson and McConaughey as unlikely partners on a Louisiana murder case, involved a harrowing satanic child abuse storyline. It was revealed yesterday that the second season will continue the occult theme, and begin with the discovery of a corrupt politician's corpse bearing satanic markings.

Starring Taylor Kitsch and Vince Vaughn alongside Farrell and McAdams, the new season is set in California during the Seventies, and will focus on mob boss Frank Semyon's (Vaughn) attempt to become a legitimate businessman and the investigation into his associate's murder. Farrell and Kitsch play California Highway Patrol officers assigned to the case. McAdam plays a hard gambling sheriff at odds with Farrell's character, who is said to be in the mob's pocket.

Writer Nic Pizzolatto has said the season will explore "the secret occult history of the United States transportation system". Alongside the orgy scene, the murder victim's character will be linked to S&M clubs.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvan ... scene.html
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:14 am

redsock » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:10 pm wrote:
The successful first season of the show, which starred Harrelson and McConaughey as unlikely partners on a Louisiana murder case, involved a harrowing satanic child abuse storyline. It was revealed yesterday that the second season will continue the occult theme, and begin with the discovery of a corrupt politician's corpse bearing satanic markings.

Starring Taylor Kitsch and Vince Vaughn alongside Farrell and McAdams, the new season is set in California during the Seventies, and will focus on mob boss Frank Semyon's (Vaughn) attempt to become a legitimate businessman and the investigation into his associate's murder. Farrell and Kitsch play California Highway Patrol officers assigned to the case. McAdam plays a hard gambling sheriff at odds with Farrell's character, who is said to be in the mob's pocket.

Writer Nic Pizzolatto has said the season will explore "the secret occult history of the United States transportation system". Alongside the orgy scene, the murder victim's character will be linked to S&M clubs.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvan ... scene.html


interesting.
more on the occult sex orgy angle
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/true-detective ... sex-626888

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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby RocketMan » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:36 am



I must say, somewhat underwhelmed by the first look. Good soundtrack, moody visuals, but too generic. The trailers for the first season grabbed you by the lapels and forced you to pay attention with their unpredictability, weird overtones and scattershot quality.

This just spells out, very carefully, LA COP SHOW.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby brekin » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:19 pm

RocketMan wrote:

I must say, somewhat underwhelmed by the first look. Good soundtrack, moody visuals, but too generic. The trailers for the first season grabbed you by the lapels and forced you to pay attention with their unpredictability, weird overtones and scattershot quality.

This just spells out, very carefully, LA COP SHOW.


True Detective reminds me of the Smashing Pumpkins for some reason.

At first blush it seems edgy and innovative...good lineup...nice atmostphere...seems to be going somewhere deep...has one or two amazing moments...

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but then just seems to peter out and never really deliver...that double album that was suppose to make Pink Floyd look like the The Monkees...

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But then, I may just be out of sync. Kurt Kobain's daughter seems to prefer Oasis over her father's band, Nirvana, so it may just be me...
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Laodicean » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:24 pm



I liked the first episode. And that song played in the bar, wow.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Forgetting2 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:45 pm

Not too serious SPOILERS...








It was very late when I watched the premiere, so I have to watch it again to note all the references, but I think there was a black owl in the car with the dead dude? And some mention of the Russian River, so maybe there'll be some Bohemian Grove-like thingie? Seemed like a lot of set up in the first show; not like a stand alone show.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:53 pm

Forgetting2 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:45 pm wrote:Not too serious SPOILERS...








It was very late when I watched the premiere, so I have to watch it again to note all the references, but I think there was a black owl in the car with the dead dude? And some mention of the Russian River, so maybe there'll be some Bohemian Grove-like thingie? Seemed like a lot of set up in the first show; not like a stand alone show.


Yeah my eyes and ears were wide open looking for hints - the black owl mask, the whispered mentions of the Black Mountain Project, the scarred faces.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:01 pm

Well that was a weak start. If I didnt know it was True Detective and thought it was just Crime Drama #568 I probably would have turned it off halfway through. The Ray character really carried it. Wasnt really feeling the adventures of Daddy-Issues and Viagra Cop. Vince Vaughn's character seems kind of interesting but he spent 90% of the episode getting ready for some party where he gave a powerpoint presentation on trains.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:53 pm

I'm relieved to be re-watching this in calm silence, and not surprised to find it a far richer experience without mogs running their mouth commentating. Hell is other people, indeed.

I have to fault the director, Justin Lin. The only cornball moments were his decisions - the long staredown in the bar and the very end - both were essentially film trailers, music videos: the artifice obscured the art completely. F'ing up that bar scene was especially impressive work, since the soundtrack and set were both so gorgeous. Too many obvious beats repeated too many times. (As for the ending 20 seconds, it was about as subtle as the first time Joss Whedon assembled The Avengers onscreen.)

We'll see if I'm wrong with episode three.

The writing, though, fuck. Pizzolatto is cutting a much more ambitious line for this one, and it's one that won't require either Farrell or Vaughn to deliver us another Ruste Cohle. It is premature to even guess, but I'm comfortable saying Season 2 is "about" the exact same concepts and nightmares, only this time the canvas isn't characters but culture, this LA ensemble chopped through a few different social strata & subcultures, that conveys the story.

It will be very interesting to see if Pizzolatto can, in fact, write women in Season 2. The talent is there, so it's all on him.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:06 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:53 pm wrote:The writing, though, fuck. Pizzolatto is cutting a much more ambitious line for this one, and it's one that won't require either Farrell or Vaughn to deliver us another Ruste Cohle. It is premature to even guess, but I'm comfortable saying Season 2 is "about" the exact same concepts and nightmares, only this time the canvas isn't characters but culture, this LA ensemble chopped through a few different social strata & subcultures, that conveys the story.


Its like entering the next circle of hell. Season 1 was all about shattering comfortable illusions. The system being revealed to be corrupt to the very top. Marty's 2.5 kids and a white picket fence just being a mask for a dysfunctional family. Now no one holds any delusions. The police force, the government, the whole system is corrupt and everyone knows it. The characters are already complete wrecks without a single non-fucked relationship with another human being. Season 1 pulled back the curtain, now Season 2 is going to really stare into the abyss.
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many years of therapy

Postby IanEye » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:14 am

I liked the scene where Colin Farrell gave the bully's dad a beatdown with a pair of brass knuckles.

I found it life affirming and inspiring.

It reminded me of this:



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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:15 am

Sorry to the haters(AKA professional writer critics) but Im already hooked on the new season. Heavy heavy David Lynch shades already, and definitely something sneaking in...something deep and dark. Nic Pizzolatto claims there won't be any occult stuff, but already word there's an Eyes Wide Shut like plot device coming up. The first episode alone alluded to some pretty dark symbolic stuff without even having to look to hard. And judging by HBO youtubes trailer for Sunday's episode, it looks to expand on that. Would not be surprised at all if there's some Bohemian Grove allusions.

Regardless, already loving the writing quite a bit. Collin Ferrel is scary as hell, almost triggering. Damn and I never cared for him as an actor before
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