2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

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Postby chump » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:58 pm

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1 ... sing-mh370

Mauritius wing debris confirmed from missing MH370

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SYDNEY - A piece of wing debris found in Mauritius is from MH370, Australia said Friday, the latest fragment discovered along western Indian Ocean shorelines that has been linked to the missing passenger jet.

A trailing edge section of Boeing 777 left, outboard flap, originating from the Malaysian Airlines aircraft registered 9M-MRO (MH370), the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said.

The composite debris, recovered from the Indian Ocean island nation in May, "was a trailing edge section of Boeing 777 left, outboard flap, originating from the Malaysian Airlines aircraft registered 9M-MRO (MH370)", the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said in a report.

The government agency is leading the search for the Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines plane -- which disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014 carrying 239 passengers and crew -- in the southern Indian Ocean far off Western Australia's coast.

"A part number was identified on a section of the debris," the ATSB said, adding that another "unique work order number" assigned by the flap manufacturer corresponded to MH370.

The report came two weeks after the ATSB said officials had yet to link debris recovered from Madagascar by US amateur investigator Blaine Gibson to MH370 or a Boeing 777.

Officials also said that the debris found in Madagascar was not exposed to fire, quashing earlier speculation.

No trace of MH370 has been recovered from the current 120,000-square-kilometre (46,000-square-mile) search zone, fuelling speculation it may have crashed outside the area.

But several pieces of debris linked to the flight have been discovered along western Indian Ocean shorelines -- in Mozambique, South Africa and Mauritius.

The first piece found was a two-metre (six-foot) wing part known as a flaperon that washed up on the French Indian Ocean island of Reunion in July 2015.

More than 110,000 square kilometres of the search area has been scoured so far, Australia said last month, adding that the hunt was set to be completed in December.


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... All three pieces of wreckage linked to the flight have been found at or very very near the 'S' on this map.....but the 'officials' are spending all of their time and money looking deep at the bottom of the ocean VERY far away to the East and South. Methinks they are looking where the flight never was. Ocean currents can not explain it away, I'm afraid. Someone was spoofing the satellite data.
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:00 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... s-location

Independent investigators looking into the loss of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have expressed scepticism about the Australian authorities’ statement they are newly confident about the plane’s location.

On Friday Australia’s national science agency, CSIRO, published its modelling of the drift of a Boeing 777 flaperon consistent with the one from MH370 that was found washed up on La Réunion in July 2015.

CSIRO said the findings reaffirmed the Australian Transport Safety Bureau’s conclusion that the crash site of MH370 was to be found in the new search area the ATSB identified at the end of last year.

The ATSB said in a statement that the 25,000 sq km area identified at its First Principles Review summit in December had been validated by the new CSIRO report as “the most likely location of MH370”.

It went so far as to narrow it down to “the south end of that”, near 35 deg S latitude.

Pointing to the CSIRO report, the ATSB said it was more confident than ever about the plane’s final resting place.

But members of the independent group of experts following the search for MH370 have accused the ATSB of using the research to bolster its preconceived ideas about where the plane is.

Victor Iannello and Richard Godfrey, of the so-called Independent Group, interrogated the CSIRO data and how it had been interpreted in a blog post published on Sunday.

Much of the area at 35 deg S latitude had in fact been scoured by the ATSB in its search of the southern Indian Ocean that concluded without success in January, they said.

Godfrey, an aerospace engineer based in Frankfurt, said the data had been put forward by the ATSB as supporting a “preconceived idea” as to the plane’s location reached at the First Principles Review summit.

“A MH370 endpoint at 35 deg S latitude does not fit the fact that the underwater search has already discounted this location to a 97% level of certainty.”

Godfrey noted that the analysis had been prepared for and funded by the ATSB.

Both CSIRO and the ATSB have been contacted by Guardian Australia for their response.

Godfrey said he believed a crash at 30 deg S latitude, well north of the seabed search, “fit the available data” published by CSIRO as well as the timing and location of debris that had been found.

The zone from 30.5 deg S to 32.0 deg S was discounted by the CSIRO report, owing to “unspecified ‘other evidence’”.

Iannello said the modelling by both Godfrey and CSIRO indicated that “recent claims about the most likely crash site of MH370 should be carefully reviewed by independent investigators”.

But there is no indication that the search for the missing plane will be renewed, it being dependent on “credible new evidence” coming to light as to its location.

Australia’s transport minister, Darren Chester, said on Friday the findings of the CSIRO report were not specific enough to warrant a new search effort.

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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:02 pm

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Startling new evidence has virtually pin pointed the location of MH370 – 1258 days since it disappeared.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau has just released an explosive new report that combines a refinement of drift modelling from debris washed up in the Western Indian Ocean and previously discarded satellite images of apparent debris in the ocean.
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That drift modelling initially released late last year identified a new area of 25,000sq km just outside the original search area.

The images taken by a French military satellite which showed apparent debris were discarded by governments and authorities in late March 2014 - before the ATSB became involved in the search.
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Two of the 12 objects identified as man-madePicture: French Military Intelligence Service CNES

However, with the CSIRO’s ground-breaking reverse drift modelling done by David Griffin and Peter Oke now refined down to an area of 5,000sq km, pinpointing the most likely location of MH370, all satellite imagery of the relevant new area has come up for review.

GeoScience Australia has been examining four French satellite images taken on March 23 ,2014 – two weeks after the loss of MH370 - in the area where any debris would have drifted according to the CSIRO report and have found 12 objects that are deemed “probably” man-made and 28 that are “possibly” man-made.
This finds confirms the CSIRO’s new probable location of MH370.

The dimensions of these objects are comparable with some of the debris items that have washed up on African beaches and their location near the 7th arc makes them impossible to ignore, says the reports.
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:49 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/fl ... spartandhp

Norman Davies, a historian and author, believes one possibility could be that the plane, a Boeing 777, could have been glided for several hours and landed in Antarctica - the perfect hiding spot, where it could be buried beneath the ice sheet for decades.

Outlandish theories have abounded about what could have happened to the plane - from an alien take over to a hijack that involved Vladimir Putin, to claims that rapper Pitbull predicted it would crash years before.

But the technology on board, designed to stop a repeat of the 9/11 terror attack by allowing it to be controlled on land, could mean the disappearance of MH370 may be due to the first recorded case of a remote skyjacking.

The plane was equipped with Boeing Honeywell Un-interruptible Autopilot, designed to be installed in planes since 9/11, so that they could be remotely controlled to ensure authorities could regain control in the event of an on-board hijacking.


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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:59 pm

yea we all know that techhnology was in place way before 9/11

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29. Flight Termination System
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The planes were taken over by Dov Zakheim's Flight Termination system,


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Before the final flight on December 1, 1984, more then four years of effort passed trying to set-up final impact conditions considered survivable by the FAA. During those years while 14 flights with crews were flown the following major efforts were underway: NASA Dryden developed the remote piloting techniques necessary for the B-720 to fly as a drone aircraft; General Electric installed and tested four degraders (one on each engine); and the FAA refined AMK (blending, testing, and fueling a full size aircraft). The 14 flights had 9 takeoffs, 13 landings and around 69 approaches, to about 150 feet above the prepared crash site, under remote control. "
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17. He did find $28 million dollars to give to Israel for automatic gear
Zakheim, an Orthodox Jew who defines himself as a friend of Israel, speaks as though he knows exactly where the problem is to be found, and what to do about it. The problem, as far as he's concerned, is the settlements, and the solution is to negotiate an agreement, the sooner the better.

"I think Israel has in the past three years lost a strategic opportunity to make progress with the Palestinians," he said, seated in his new, Washington area office as vice president of the large consulting firm Booz-Allen-Hamilton. "The right approach is to say, `look, we have a White House that supports us, we have a president who cares about Israel's security and whom we trust. Now, using that as a strength, what need we do to solve the Palestinian issue."

Zakheim's last visit to Israel was in March, a short time before he left his post as Defense Department Comptroller. This visit, like preceding trips in recent years, made Zakheim feel uneasy. "Every time I go to Israel it looks dirtier than before," he complained. "Jerusalem is a disgrace to look at. Each time I go there it looks more and more like a garbage can."

Zakheim's grievances are not limited to aesthetics. He believes Israel's situation is deteriorating in all respects because of its investment in settlements. "You're taking money out of education, money out of welfare, money out of jobs, money out of infrastructure, and pouring it into the West Bank," he said. "Israel's society is suffering a lot as a result of the settlements."

"Pat Buchanan, in my view, is an anti-Semite," said Zakheim. "I'm sorry, but you cannot keep saying what he says, and say he's not an anti-Semite. He is an anti-Semite. I know one when I see one."

Israelis who worked with Zakheim are full of praise for his professionalism. Though he always upheld American interests, they say, he had a warm place in his heart for Israel and he did as much as he could to help. For instance, after the start of the intifada, when it became clear that Israel's police force lacked equipment to defuse bombs, Zakheim found funds, and arranged a transfer of $28 million for automatic gear used by sappers. Zakheim is proud of his close relations with many Israelis - recently his son was married in Jerusalem, but at the time, a stepson who went on a photo-shoot in Hebron was beaten by settlers.

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Why?
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an Israeli link to 9/11.

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How many here know who Dov Zackheim is?

Why not go into the remote control issue? Dov the CEO of SPC


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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:47 pm

Yep, SLAD.

Damn, 9/11 Truth feels like a golden oldie these days...
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Mon May 14, 2018 9:57 am

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Leading air safety experts have concluded that the captain of flight MH370 deliberately crashed the plane. They include the man who spent two years heading the search, who now says Captain Zaharie Amad Shah carefully planned a murder-suicide mission.

The Malaysia Airlines jet was on a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on 8 March 2014 with 239 people on board when it disappeared.

Analysis of satellite data indicates it ran out of fuel and crashed in the Indian Ocean west of Australia, thousands of miles from its intended destination.

Some debris from the Boeing 777 has been washed up on Indian Ocean beaches. But the biggest underwater search in history, coordinated by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), was called off in January 2017 after two years.

The seabed search was led by Martin Dolan, who told a special edition of the 60 Minutes Australia programme: “This was planned, this was deliberate, and it was done over an extended period of time.”

Captain Zaharie, aged 53, was accompanied on the flight deck by an inexperienced first officer, Fariq Abdul Hamid – who was on his first Boeing 777 mission without a training captain overseeing him.

Six days after the plane disappeared, their homes in the Malaysian capital were searched, and computer equipment taken away. It contained evidence suggesting Captain Zaharie had used flight simulation software to prepare for diverting the aircraft.

Captain Simon Harvey, a British pilot who has flown the 777 widely in Asia, said the mission was “planned meticulously to make the aircraft disappear”, including flying along the Thai-Malaysian frontier to avoid either side taking action.

“If you were commissioning me to make a 777 disappear, I would do exactly the same thing,” he told the programme.

A Canadian air-crash investigator, Larry Vance, said he believed that Captain Zaharie put on an oxygen mask before depressurising the plane to render the passengers and crew unconscious: “There is no reason not to believe that the pilot did not depressurise the cabin to incapacitate the passengers.”

Mr Dolan dismissed the possibility that terrorism was involved. “If this had been a terrorist event, it’s almost invariable that a terrorist organisation will claim credit for the event.

“There was no such claim made.”

The panel disagreed about whether Captain Zaharie was in control of the aircraft at the time it hit the ocean.

Mr Vance said he believed the pilot “ditched it deliberately to keep it as intact as possible,” while Mr Dolan said the evidence was that “the aircraft spiralled into the ocean and crashed”.

There have been several confirmed cases of murder-suicide committed by pilots, including Germanwings flight 9525 in 2015.
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby Rory » Mon May 14, 2018 11:27 am

By "crashed", do they mean, "landed at Diego Garcia"?
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2018 10:52 pm

“There is no reason not to believe that the pilot did not depressurise the cabin to incapacitate the passengers.”


Sure, there is no reason not to believe, or any reason to believe. Expert talking!
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Tue May 15, 2018 12:21 am

It's important to note the official investigation has been closed, with no solid answers, and the articles like the above that are now coming out are based on an 'investigation' by the Australian version of the TV show 60 Minutes.

The governments of Malaysia, China and Australia called off the official search in January 2017. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau's final report said authorities were no closer to knowing the reasons for the plane's disappearance or the exact location of its wreckage.
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby identity » Wed May 16, 2018 3:16 pm

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Chasing Malaysian Airlines MH370

It grabbed the world's attention because it was unimaginable, impossible: a Boeing 777 with 239 people on board disappeared completely. It was like science fiction but it couldn't be because it was real. Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 left Kuala Lumpur on March 8, 2014, and with the exception of a few unexpected appearances on radar and satellite data, was never seen again. It did not land anywhere, and there was no record of a crash. It simply vanished. Predictably, wild theories popped up everywhere, everything from a hijacking to an alien abduction. Together we're going to take a deep dive into the events of that night, into the conspiracy theories, and finally compare them against what we think actually happened to history's most infamous vanished aircraft.

[...]

Within days of the flight's disappearance, writers and bloggers of the Air Line Pilots Association had a fairly complete explanation for a probable scenario that could have taken place; one that fit all the facts and involved nothing extraordinary. In fact, when you stick to the aviation web sites and avoid the consumer news sites, where the reporting was usually by non-experts, there is much less confusion and speculation about the disappearance.

Most telling for the pilots' theory are the facts that the automated communications stopped, suggesting that the ACARS system could have been damaged; and that the emergency locator beacon was never triggered while within range of anyone on the ground who could have heard it, suggesting that whatever happened was not sudden and catastrophic. It seems probable that the pilots became incapacitated. So what's a plausible scenario that can explain all three of these likelihoods? The pilot community spoke up early and loudly: the smell of smoke.

Modern airliners have lots of electronics, lots of wiring, and a thousand places where something can go wrong. MH370 was also carrying a cargo of 220kg of lithium-ion batteries. Any one of these things could have started to smolder or caused some wires to melt and put a whiff of smoke into the cockpit. Airline pilots all agreed on what would be the first thing they'd do when smelling smoke: turn off all the unnecessary electronics, everything that's not required to keep you in the air, everything that might be burning; probably even the radios. This would nicely explain the ACARS no longer transmitting, and it would also nicely explain the lack of radio communications. The emergency locator beacon, which cannot be switched off, would have had nothing to trigger it yet.

Whatever might have been melting or burning likely got worse, and the pilots became incapacitated, possibly by carbon monoxide, possibly by decompression from an unknown cause. By then they had set the course to head for an emergency landing site; but unconscious as they were, they overflew it on autopilot until the plane ran out of fuel, crashing somewhere west of Australia into the Indian Ocean. By then, the emergency locator beacon would be out of range of any receivers.

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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:17 am

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MH370 Was ‘Manipulated’ Off Course to Its End, Report Says
By Angus Whitley and Pooi Koon Chong
July 30, 2018, 1:58 AM CDT Updated on July 30, 2018, 4:10 AM CDT

Difficult to attribute sudden turns to system failure: report
Plane missing since March 2014 is aviation’s biggest mystery

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, missing since 2014, was probably steered off course deliberately and flown to the southern Indian Ocean, according to the Malaysian government’s safety report into the disaster.

MH370 vanished on March 8, 2014, en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board. Investigators have never been able to explain why the jet abandoned its route shortly into the flight, traversed Malaysia and then cruised south over the Indian Ocean.

It’s difficult to attribute the change in course to any system failure, according to the report released Monday. “It is more likely that such maneuvers are due to the systems being manipulated,” the report said.

Experts mapped the Boeing 777’s course only after picking through hourly data hookups with a satellite. Extensive sonar searches of remote waters off Australia’s west coast failed to locate the wreckage.

Monday’s 449-page report offered little to solve modern aviation’s biggest mystery -- and stopped short of apportioning specific blame. There’s nothing to suggest the plane was evading radar, or evidence of behavioral changes in the crew, it said. Significant parts of the aircraft’s power system, including the autopilot function, were probably working throughout the flight, the report said.

“We are unable to determine with any certainty the reasons that the aircraft diverted from its filed planned route,” Kok Soo Chon, chief inspector of the MH370 investigation team, told reporters in Putrajaya, outside Kuala Lumpur. “The possibility of intervention by a third party cannot be excluded.”

Without the help of cockpit data recorders, search teams could only guess what happened in the flight’s final moments. Analysis by the Australian government suggested MH370 ran out of fuel before plummeting -- at as much as 25,000 feet a minute -- into the water. Other investigators speculated that a person was at the controls until the very end, gliding the plane into the ocean beyond the furthest limit of any search area.

Monday’s report didn’t support either theory explicitly, but struggled to come up with a mechanical explanation for the aircraft’s deviations.
No Bodies

“The change in flight path likely resulted from manual inputs,” it said. Similarly, the plane’s loss of communications before veering off track was more likely due to systems “being manually turned off or power interrupted to them” than a malfunction, it said.

A few pieces of wreckage from MH370 did wash up in Africa but no bodies have ever been recovered. A fresh underwater search this year by U.S. exploration company Ocean Infinity ended without success.

The jet’s disappearance produced a slew of safety recommendations aimed at preventing a repeat of the tragedy.

New aircraft must broadcast their locations every minute when they’re in trouble, but only from January 2021. A gradual tightening of requirements starts in November, when airlines must track planes every 15 minutes under regulations adopted by the United Nations’ International Civil Aviation Organization.

MH370’s cargo included 221 kilograms (487 pounds) of lithium batteries and 4.6 tons of fresh mangosteen fruit, according to its manifest. After extensive tests, Monday’s report ruled out smoke or fire caused by those goods mixing in the plane’s hold as a cause of the tragedy.

The report documented shortcomings among Kuala Lumpur air traffic controllers: they were too slow to initiate emergency procedures and there was no evidence to suggest they were continuously monitoring radar displays, it said. The report recommended better training to handle emergencies.

— With assistance by Adrian Leung, and Yudith Ho
(Updates with comment from investigator in sixth paragraph.)

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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:39 pm

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Malaysia’s civil aviation chief said Tuesday he has resigned to take responsibility after an independent investigative report highlighted shortcomings in the air traffic control centre during Malaysia Airlines Flight 370’s disappearance four years ago.

The report released Monday raised the possibility that the jet may have been hijacked even though there was no conclusive evidence of why it went off course and flew for over seven hours after severing communications.

Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said the report didn’t blame the civil aviation department for the plane’s loss but found that the Kuala Lumpur air traffic control centre failed to comply with operating procedures.

“Therefore, it is with regret and after much thought and contemplation that I have decided to resign as chairman of Civil Aviation Authority of Malaysia,” he said in his statement, adding he has presented his resignation and will step down in two weeks.
[....]
New Malaysian Transport Minister Anthony Loke said Tuesday the government has formed a committee to investigate and take action on any misconduct based on the report’s findings.

The report said there was insufficient information to determine if the aircraft broke up in the air or during impact with the ocean.
[....]
Malaysia’s government has said it will resume searching if credible evidence of the plane’s location emerges.
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Postby identity » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:47 am

Ocean Microphones May Have Recorded Lost Malaysian Jet's Crash … Thousands of Miles from Search Sites
By Tom Metcalfe, Live Science Contributor | February 26, 2019 12:52pm ET

Nearly five years ago, the doomed Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanished without a trace, with 239 people on board. The search in the Indian Ocean for the wreckage of the aircraft has been the largest and most expensive search effort in history — but it has turned up nothing.

Now, a team of researchers says Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 may have crashed thousands of miles from the search locations, based on sounds recorded in the ocean near the time the passenger jet disappeared on March 8, 2014.

In research published Jan. 29 in the open-access journal Scientific Reports, applied mathematician Usama Kadri said underwater microphones in the Indian Ocean had recorded four distinctive sound events, caused by very low-frequency acoustic-gravity waves, around the time that Flight 370 could have crashed into the sea.

His research showed that one of those sound events happened relatively close to the search area — but two others are thousands of miles away, in the northern part of the Indian Ocean, somewhere between Madagascar and the atoll of Diego Garcia in the Chagos Archipelago, Kadri told Live Science. [Flight 370: Photos of the Search for Missing Malaysian Plane]

Investigators suspect that the lost airliner crashed somewhere in the Indian Ocean, although its flight path after it disappeared from civilian and military radars, west of the Malay Peninsula, is not known.

The aircraft's captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, had ordered enough fuel for a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, a flight that would have lasted 7 hours and 30 minutes. But just how long the Boeing 777 jet could have stayed airborne would depend on its actual flight path, its altitude and how many of its four engines were operating.
Ocean sounds

Kadri and colleagues at the University of Cardiff in the U.K. and Memorial University of Newfoundland in Canada analyzed sounds recorded by a network of underwater microphones (called hydrophones), which are maintained by the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) to listen for banned nuclear tests.

The CTBTO hydrophones give directional bearings, loudness and frequencies of sounds in the ocean, from which scientists can calculate an approximate location for where those sounds originated.

But the CTBTO hydrophone network is designed to detect underwater nuclear explosions, in concert with other monitoring systems in the air and through seismological tremors in the earth — and it was thought not able to detect a crashing jet.

To learn more about the patterns of sounds made by objects crashing into the ocean surface, Kadri and his colleagues recorded the sounds caused by weighted spheres impacting tanks of water in 2017.

They found that when a massive object like an airliner crashes into the ocean, it creates a distinctive pattern of sound waves — including patterns of very low-frequency sounds known as acoustic-gravity waves (AGWs) that can be transmitted for thousands of miles through the ocean. [What's That Noise? 11 Strange and Mysterious Sounds on Earth and Beyond]

Kadri's latest research has found that the underwater speed of transmission of low-frequency AGWs, below 5 hertz, can be affected by the elasticity of the seafloor at particular locations.

That means each of the four distinctive sound events in the Indian Ocean identified by the researchers could have originated across a range of locations, but along a particular directional bearing.
Missing airliner

As well as two matching sound events recorded by the CTBTO hydrophones at Cape Leeuwin in Western Australia, the researchers found two sound events recorded by the hydrophones at Diego Garcia that could match the sounds of an airliner hitting the ocean.

Their directional bearings and timings indicated that they both occurred somewhere northwest of Madagascar — thousands of miles from the areas where searchers have looked for wreckage of the aircraft.

But the ocean is a noisy place, and Kadri said the underwater sounds might have also been caused by underwater earthquakes or volcanic eruptions, or even by meteorites or space junk falling in the ocean. [Top 10 Greatest Explosions Ever]

However, they were also valid sound signals that could have been created by the crash of Flight 370, he said.

Kadri said he recognized that the sound events near Madagascar were thousands of miles from the so-called "7th arc" — the line of possible positions of Flight 370 calculated from the aircraft's final radio signals to a tracking satellite shortly before it would have run out of fuel.

Searchers have relied on the 7th arc in their efforts to find wreckage of the missing airliner; it curves through the eastern Indian Ocean, south of the Indonesian island of Java and toward Antarctica, between 300 and 1,800 miles (500 to 3,000 km) away from the western Australian coast.

But Kadri said the positions suggested by the satellite radio data might be inaccurate, or calculated incorrectly, or otherwise misleading.

"I don't want to go into what could go wrong, but there are many things," Kadri said of the 7th-arc data. "It could be anything."
Search at sea

Kadri said that future searches for any wreckage of the airliner should start with scientific investigations of the sound events recorded in the Indian Ocean — without regard to information from other sources, such as the satellite radio data, which could create large inaccuracies.

"All the efforts that were done before, they all relied on the satellite data as given evidence … unfortunately, they found nothing," he said.

Details of the new research had been relayed to the Malaysian and Australian authorities responsible for locating the aircraft, but there are currently no plans to resume the search at sea, Kadri said.

Other experts on the search for the crash site of Flight 370 gave divided opinions about the new research.

David Griffin, an oceanographer at the Australian government's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO), told Live Science that he could think of no reason why the 7th-arc satellite data should be disregarded.

Griffin also estimated that crash sites near Madagascar and Diego Garcia would result in floating debris along the East African coast within a few months — in other words, by mid-2014.

But no floating debris from the crash was found there until late 2015 and 2016, around 18 months later, he said.

However, oceanographer David Gallo, the director of special projects at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, said he was not convinced that the satellite data represented by the 7th arc gave an accurate indication of the final positions of Flight 370.

Gallo, who led the successful search for the crash location of Air France Flight 447 in 2011, said the Australian-led searches for Flight 370 had relied on the 7th-arc data because they needed to respond quickly.

But "I'm not now nor ever was a fan of the 7th arc," Gallo told Live Science in an email: "[The] plane could very well have crashed north of Madagascar."


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Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:53 pm

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Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 had a "mysterious" addition to the flight list after takeoff, according to an engineer whose wife and two children were aboard the ill-fated aircraft when it disappeared in 2014.

Ghyslain Wattrelos recently told Le Parisien newspaper that French investigators made the discovery while probing the passengers and baggage reported aboard the airplane.
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"It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kilos (200 pounds) was added to the flight list after takeoff," Wattrelos told the newspaper. "A container was also overloaded, without anyone knowing why."

In addition to the late flight list addition, French investigators who examined the flight data at Boeing's headquarters believe the pilot was in control of the Boeing 777 "right up to the end," according to the newspaper.

"Some abnormal turns made by the 777 can only be done manually. So someone was at the helm," an unnamed person cited as a source close to the investigation told Le Parisien.
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