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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:48 pm

"Search for MH370 may be 'in the wrong place': Report"

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/search-mh370-may-be-the-wrong-place-report-20140421

"It was Dr Kuang who proposed the Beshtash Valley near Talas in Kyrgyzstan as a possible crash location, as I described in an earlier post."

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby 82_28 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:46 pm

No, no, no. We were told that the search was in the right place. Thus everything else we hear from here on out will always be wrong. No mystery. No intent to confuse. And certainly nothing to concern yourself over as far as grasping the potential likely end game -- which also potentially is hidden some time into the future.

Balto, did you ever read Choose Your Own Adventure books?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Ben D » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:34 am

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22859998/mh370-may-have-landed-not-crashed-sources/

MH370 may have landed, not crashed: sources

YAHOO!7 NEWS AND WIRES April 23, 2014, 1:20 pm

The search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may be forced to re-investigate the possibility that the passenger jet with 239 on board landed, according to new reports.

The New Strait Times has quoted sources close to the probe that the investigation teams are considering revisiting the possibility that the plane did not crash into the ocean and had landed safely at an unknown location.

“The thought of it landing somewhere else is not impossible, as we have not found a single debris that could be linked to MH370. However, the possibility of a specific country hiding the plane when more than 20 nations are searching for it, seems absurd,” the sources told the NST.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott says he has received "no advice whatsoever" to indicate the plane has landed.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:34 pm

Obama’s visit comes at a time when Malaysia’s relationship with China is bruised with condescension and mistrust. If the Malaysian leadership could ever be persuaded to gradually integrate into the US sphere and adopt positions on China’s territorial disputes that are more closely aligned with Washington’s positions, the current conditions are ideal



WEEKEND EDITION APRIL 25-27, 2014

Growing Tensions Between Beijing and Kuala Lumpur
Could the MH370 Disaster Herald a Pivot in Malaysia’s Foreign Policy?
by NILE BOWIE
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

This year marks the 40th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Malaysia and China, and while 2014 was meant to serve as a symbolic year of friendship to deepen cooperation between the two countries, the unfortunate irony is that relations have been pushed to their lowest ever over the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 bound for Beijing. On March 8th, the aircraft took off from Kuala Lumpur carrying 239 people and veered wildly off course while flying over the South China Sea, turning back around over the Malaysian peninsula toward the Indian Ocean where it is presumed to have crashed. The jetliner’s transponders were shut off without a mayday call, followed by significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control less than an hour into the flight. Aviation experts claim that the aircraft’s movements were consistent with deliberate action and that calculated changes in the flight’s trajectory indicate that the plane was continually under the command of a pilot. The cause of the aircraft’s erratic change of trajectory and disappearance has yet to be established. An extensive multinational search and rescue effort, said to be the largest in history, has failed to produce any trace of debris from the aircraft, making MH370 the longest civil aircraft disappearance in modern history.

The missing aircraft is thought to have crashed into the remote Indian Ocean, while the search area in question is more than 370 miles long and 30 miles wide. Such an unprecedented and unusual disaster scenario would surely test any government, while a lack of experience in crisis management has magnified the shortcomings of Malaysia’s response to the disaster, which has been widely criticized at home and abroad. Malaysia has rarely faced disasters, terrorism or emergency situations, and its authorities have been thrust into an unenviable position in the global spotlight, while the contradictory statements of government officials, a delayed release of information, and critical inaction of Malaysia’s military in responding to the aircraft as it flew wildly off course have all compounded the frustrations of the relatives of those onboard. Some two-thirds of the passengers on the Beijing-bound aircraft were Chinese nationals, and the disappearance of MH370 has seen figures from China’s Foreign Ministry routinely criticize Malaysia’s response by publically cajoling officials into providing more consistent and reliable information.

Scathing rhetoric

Diplomatic relations between Beijing and Kuala Lumpur have been relatively harmonious over the decades, with few tense exchanges. However, the Malaysian government’s initial fumbles and lack of coordination in handling the MH370 situation led to a severely delayed release of information that incensed Chinese officials, prompting frequent condemnations of Malaysia in the Chinese state media, which argued how the lack of timely authoritative information imperiled the lives of passengers by hampering initial rescue attempts. After the plane disappeared on March 8th, search and rescue operations were pursuing false leads by erroneously focusing their search in the South China Sea, where the aircraft lost contact less than an hour into the flight. It took a full seven days for Malaysian authorities to release information confirming that the plane had drastically changed direction, and that the plane flew for nearly seven hours toward the Indian Ocean after disappearing from air traffic control. Flight MH370 moved through at least three military radar ranges as it traversed the northern area of the Malaysian peninsula, which should have provoked an emergency response from Malaysia’s air force, which could have intercepted the jetliner and possibly guided it toward a safe landing.

Malaysia’s air force claimed that MH370 did not trigger security alarms because the plane’s profile did not indicate it was a hostile craft, and that flight movements were recorded and not observed live. It’s possible that Malaysia was reluctant to disclose its radar data because it was disinclined to admit that an unidentified plane had breached air defense when MH370 radically changed directions. The perception that Malaysian officials appeared uncoordinated and frequently contradicted each other about basic facts prompted Chinese media to scold the poor performance of senior ministers and sharply criticize Malaysia over its perceived incoherent response to the crisis using much stronger language than usual. An editorial in the Global Times newspaper, which is seen as reflecting the opinions of the leadership in Beijing, criticized Malaysia’s long-held aspiration to become a high-income developed nation by 2020, saying that “judging from its handling of the MH370 incident, Malaysia’s modernization will take far longer than this.” The newspaper’s scathing verdict was that Malaysian authorities had lost “authority and credibility” due to its disorganized response.

Relatives of the Chinese passengers onboard, and a segment of Chinese netizens vented their anger against the Malaysian government, some even labeling Malaysian authorities and Malaysian Airlines officials as ‘murderers.’ Impulsive condemnations of Malaysia made waves on Chinese micro-blogging site Sina Weibo, and negative sentiments echoed through into Chinese mainstream media and entertainment. Several Chinese celebrities called for boycotts of Malaysian products and vowed not to visit the country, while verbal abuse was meted out to Malaysian celebrities with a following in China. On March 24, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that MH370 had presumably crashed in the Indian Ocean with no survivors. Relatives of those onboard were notified of Razak’s announcement via text message, which some perceived as being insensitive. The absence of Malaysian officials and representatives from Malaysian Airlines in Beijing to field questions from the families after the prime minister’s statement incensed grieving relatives, prompting public protests.

A call for calm

An organized demonstration was held outside the Malaysian embassy in Beijing on March 25 where many relatives of the passengers onboard took part, fueling speculation that Malaysia could become the subject of a widespread boycott campaign in the vein of anti-Japan protests that sweep through China when tensions peak between Beijing and Tokyo. The protest is believed to be state-sponsored, as reports indicate that plainclothes police officers ushered the relatives onto buses, providing them with printed placards, T-shirts, and instructions on how to orderly demonstrate. China’s response to the missing aircraft was criticized by many in Malaysia and elsewhere as being somewhat condescending, as Chinese commentators posited how the country’s inefficient response stemmed from a lack of capability and an inferior administrative culture. Moreover, the stance of Beijing was calculated to deflect any criticism or accusations of apathy away from Chinese authorities, which used the opportunity to bolster their nationalist credentials by positioning themselves as defending the interests of their people.

As the multinational search operation continued throughout April, Chinese authorities softened their tone and attempted to diffuse public anger, perhaps acknowledging how Beijing’s response was an overreaction that risked deteriorating ties with Malaysia, a key ally and strategic partner. Huang Huikang, the Chinese ambassador to Malaysia, took a more conciliatory tone when he told reporters in Kuala Lumpur how “the Malaysian government has insufficient capabilities, technologies and experience in responding to the MH370 incident, but they did their best.” The Chinese media, which moves in step with official positions, has also followed suit. Commentary published in the state-owned China Daily in late March called for a calmer approach, stating: “Although the Malaysian government’s handling of the crisis has been quite clumsy, we need to understand this is perhaps the most bizarre incident in Asian civil aviation history.” A balanced and rational approach is needed by both sides to move forward, and the Chinese government’s recognition of this position indicates that despite tensions and a loss of trust from the unpleasant episode of MH370, diplomatic interactions will not be scaled back or terminated in any way.

Reassessing the relationship?

Despite the initial hostility projected towards Malaysia from sections of Chinese society as a result of the MH370 episode, the Chinese government continues to view overall political and economic ties with Malaysia as strategically important, and the toning down of rhetoric from Beijing was done with the awareness that a key relationship would become destabilized unless a softer policy line was taken. China’s foreign policy under President Xi Jinping has seen Beijing take a tough stance on territorial disputes, especially in the context of Japan and the Philippines where the United States has backed the positions of its allies. President Xi recently embarked on a charm offensive throughout Southeast Asia in an attempt to deepen relations with countries such as Indonesia, Thailand, and Malaysia. Bilateral trade between Malaysia and China reached US$106 billion in 2013, making Malaysia the largest trading partner of China in the ASEAN region, and third-largest in Asia, behind Japan and South Korea. During Xi’s visit to Kuala Lumpur in October 2013, he called for the revival of a “maritime Silk Road” and upgraded China’s relationship with Malaysia to the level of a “comprehensive strategic partnership,” loaning two pandas to a Malaysian zoo as a diplomatic gesture of friendship and respect.

Economic ties are strategically important to China, as Malaysia maintains sovereign rights over the Straits of Malacca, one of Beijing’s most critical supply routes responsible for transporting oil and raw materials needed to maintain high economic growth. Another strong foundation in the Sino-Malaysia relationship is the strong cultural ties, facilitated by Malaysia’s large and economically influential ethnic Chinese community. Communal ties have also contributed to a booming tourist trade, with 1.79 million Chinese citizens visiting Malaysia in 2013, a figure that will certainly fall in 2014 due to the MH370 incident. A systematic campaign to boycott Malaysian products has not come into fruition on a wide scale, and overall business-to-business trade flows have not been significantly affected, although tourism and residential property sales are expected to take the most long-term damage, as mainland Chinese buyers have led the demand for real estate in recent years. Although there will be an economic price to pay, a change in Malaysia’s foreign policy and defense orientation would be a wholly negative development for China’s interests in the region.

In contrast to other countries in the ASEAN region that are open in their misgivings toward China’s expanding military influence, Malaysia has displayed an extremely low level of threat perception, likely due to close naval ties and a Memorandum of Understanding on defense cooperation. Malaysia’s positions on South China Sea disputes and larger issues that characterize ASEAN-China ties can be characterized by reticence and benignity to China’s interests more so than nearly all other regional neighbors. As the United States realigns its military and economic muscle toward the Asia-Pacific, the Obama administration sees Malaysia as an important geopolitical ally in the region. In late April, President Obama will be the first American president to visit Malaysia in several decades, and there is a perception that Prime Minister Najib Razak may be more amenable to US interests than previous leaders. Obama’s visit comes at a time when Malaysia’s relationship with China is bruised with condescension and mistrust. If the Malaysian leadership could ever be persuaded to gradually integrate into the US sphere and adopt positions on China’s territorial disputes that are more closely aligned with Washington’s positions, the current conditions are ideal.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby justdrew » Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:12 am

^

so this is a pivotal event :bigsmile
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby demolished » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:03 am

Mystery solved ?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/24/mh370solved/

... Even the INMARSAT satellite “pings” that we have been told can only sweep a broad arc of possible locations could in reality be used to locate the aircraft with some precision, due to the fact that radio transmissions vary in signatures according to time of day, sunspots, and so on. The “hunt for the airliner” peddled to the mainstream media is clearly a charade.


... Chang says the Malaysian government has been given sealed evidence by one or more foreign governments concerning the fate of MH-370. As a condition of receiving that evidence, Malaysia is not allowed to divulge it.



Many weeks have passed, we still don't know what really happened to the plane. One thing that has become increasingly clear : truth has been deliberately hidden, many lies have been told ....
So what else is new ?

Perhaps there was a real struggle for the control of the plane while it was in the air,( and even afterwards) between many parties, many governments, all have their own secrets to hide . Meanwhile, for the public, the charade goes on ...
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:40 am

Indeed it is, Drew. The pivoting is riveting.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby 82_28 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:41 am

I mean fuck, they could just cut their losses if they wanted to and stage the whole finding the plane shit and turn it into a blockbuster summer flick. I find it difficult to believe that in this age of modern aviation that 13 years ago the technology was so goddamned acute that we could get the shit slopped on us about the identities of the terrorists who flew the planes into the towers within ONE DAY. Yet, that's because of America's superior technology. Yet, fighter jets were not summoned on that day. Yet, on a dime, they knew exactly what happened. Now suddenly, they just don't know when it has been made abundantly clear it is possible to do nothing when something is happening and do something when nothing has happened.

If indeed, this plane did crash or whatever happened to it and the souls onboard, I offer condolences. Like I've been saying all along -- it's the media and how they are trying to steer some narrative.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby slimmouse » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:58 am

Very astute commentary 82_28

Kinda sums up the state of ignorance that the vast majority of people live in.

On 9/11, no-one in Govnt apparently expected what happened, but they knew who did it in no time.

Is that the ultimate fucking oxymoron or what ?

WRT flight MH370, Im fascinated by the passenger list, and the freescale connection . I think the answer to this riddle is essentially contained therein.

And FWIW, almost anyone I have spoken to about this, are unanimous in their belief that there is no fucking way this plane could have disappeared for so long.

This would suggest the veil is continuously lifting. I sincerely hope so, though I do worry that its not happening anything like fast enough.

Que sera sera, I suppose.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:11 pm

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Ben D » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:14 am

Well it's hard to say from the image, but it is certainly in the area where I thought it would be...and here is a brief outline of the salient points of my present theory of what happened.

I believe the kiwi oil worker saw it happen and reported it both to Malaysian and Vietnamese authorities but was never contacted for follow up, and I think the chinese satellites picked it up early in the same place.

But by the time the US led cover up team got all the heads of state on the job including persuading the president of China to be quiet about it for reasons of negative economic impact ...then and only then did news start coming out advising us that Malaysian and Thai military radar tracked it turning around and heading into the indian Ocean.

So there was a joint Singapore - Thai - US air defence exercise due to start on the monday..on the saturday of the MH370 flight, the teams would all be present and practicing in the skies around Malaysia...

So when they said that someone with the appropriate technical knowledge on board turned off all the MH370 aircraft's telemetry, GPS transponders and comms systems...that is the precise time the aircraft was destroyed by accidental air to air missile firing, or ground to air missile firing....

Now imho, with the heads of state of all relevant Asian nations on board with the POTUS and pentagon in charge...the cover up and sealing off and cleaning up the crash scene would be quite elementary. Sure there would be witnesses but all involved would be required to sign a declaration to keep quiet.

Why cover it up rather than accept the hostile reaction? ...to both avoid the humiliation as well as mitigate against the very significant negative impact on present volumes of global air travel and subsequent economic damage.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby justdrew » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:19 am

that's no plane, it's Moby Dick.

anyway, this story seems to have turned off it's transponder and dropped off the radar. :moresarcasm
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby elfismiles » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:42 am

MH370 Search: Exploration firm claims wreckage found
by tan yi liang

Published: Tuesday April 29, 2014 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Tuesday April 29, 2014 MYT 12:15:59 PM

Keeping vigilant: A ground crew member watching as a Japanese P-3C Orion taxis at RAAF Pearce Base in Perth for its flight in the search for MH370.

PETALING JAYA: An exploration company, GeoResonance has claimed it found the wreckage of the crashed Malaysia Airlines flight, MH370, six weeks after it left Kuala Lumpur International Airport for Beijing on March 8.

The Adelaide-based GeoResonance said yesterday the possible wreckage was found in the Bay of Bengal, 5,000km away from the current search location in the southern Indian Ocean off Perth, with the company beginning its own search on March 10.

GeoResonance’s search covered 2,000,000 sq km of the possible crash zone using images obtained from satellites and aircraft, with company scientists focusing their efforts north of MH370’s last known location. Over 20 technologies were used to analyse the data, including a nuclear reactor.

According to company spokesperson David Pope: “The technology that we use was originally designed to find nuclear warheads and submarines. Our team in Ukraine decided we should try and help.”

Pope said GeoResonance compared their findings with images taken on March 5, three days before MH370 went missing, and did not find what they had detected at the spot.

“The wreckage wasn’t there prior to the disappearance of MH370. We’re not trying to say it definitely is MH370. However, it is a lead we feel should be followed up,” said Pope.

Another GeoResonance spokesperson, Pavel Kursa said several elements found in commercial airliners were detected at the Bay of Bengal spot identified by GeoResonance.

“We identified chemical elements and materials that make up a Boeing 777… these are aluminium, titanium, copper, steel alloys and other materials,” said Kursa in a statement reported by Australian news channel 7News.

Department of Civil Aviation director-general Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman told The Star that Malaysia was unaware of the report of the finding.

“We will have to check and verify this report,” he said.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby happenstance » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:38 pm

When I was a kid, I remember the Bermuda Triangle being pitched to believable playgrounders as an area that swallowed planes alive on a regular basis with zero trace. When is the last time a plane like this completely disappeared?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby slimmouse » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:07 pm

The last time/ vicinity a plane dissappeared like this was probably around the newly reinforced area of the Pentagon in September 2001.

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