2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:37 am

Any day now til the next tragic Malaysia 777 incident or MH370 resurfacing:)

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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:13 am

Surprise surprise... Malaysia Airlines Flight MH198 Turns Back Due to Autopilot Defect
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/malay ... ct-n202951

Good thing it was Malaysia 777 MH198....had it been say, MH913 it would have been so long and good bye for all on board

How long before the words ISIS and Malaysia 777 are in the same headline?
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:27 pm

Published today on the Wifka website -- simultaneously in German, English and Russian.

Not a joke. This firm of private and financial investigators is registered at Lübeck District Court in north Germany, and has been in existence since 1986.

Wifka's unnamed "client" is clearly serious, whoever he/she/it is. A nation-state? A corporation? An extremely rich individual who lost someone on the flight?

Who shot down MH-17?
30 million dollars reward for information


17. September, 2014 by J. Resch Aktuelles, Startseite No comments

The fraud investigation company Wifka has been charged with investigating the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17. Their client is providing 30 million dollars as a reward for information and evidence. On July 17 the Malaysian Airlines boeing crashed over Eastern Ukraine on their way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. All 298 passengers and crew were killed.

After the terrible assassination or "accident" all political parties, at home and abroad, said they owed it to the victims, their families and the public to clarify the circumstances of the crash and present evidence for what happened. None of this has yet been done.

Wifka wants to know:

– Who shot down MH17 on July 17?
– Who gave the order?
– Who covers up the shoot down? (Also, if it was by accident and not out of political, economic or military motivation)
– Who can provide details on the circumstances that led to the shoot down?
– Who was directly involved with the shoot down?
– What happened to the people that were involved with the shoot down? What happened to the weapon used?
- Who can name the people that cleared the shoot down?

Whoever provides evidence that identifies those behind the shoot down, will be given the reward of 30 million dollars. The money is securely deposited in Zurich, Switzerland. It will be paid there or in a different neutral place of the whistle-blower’s choice.

Wifkas client offers to give the whistle-blower a new identity.

Wifka works absolutely confidential. The agency advises whistle-blowers to take great care; e.g. to contact them through a lawyer. Details should not lightly be given away in emails or on the phone. A secure way of communication will be established for every individual case.

Please contact Josef Resch (Wifka Bad Schwartau) at +49-171-8361868, via email: mh17@wifka.de or through lawyer Volker Echelmeyer at +49-45131181

http://www.wifka.de/who-shot-down-mh17- ... ation.html
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby Peachtree Pam » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:59 am

Just published:

Analysis of the causes of the crash of Flight MH17

(Malaysian Boeing 777)


from the Russian Union of Engineers

English version:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby demolished » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:57 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:27 am wrote:Published today on the Wifka website -- simultaneously in German, English and Russian.

Not a joke. This firm of private and financial investigators is registered at Lübeck District Court in north Germany, and has been in existence since 1986.
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Whoever provides evidence that identifies those behind the shoot down, will be given the reward of 30 million dollars. ....
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Money , after all, speaks all languages. To beat the real culprits , a lot more of this stuff may have to be thrown at them .


Seems to me the first lead to this puzzle probably starts here:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/kuala-lump ... inal/30839

Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal. Bush Convicted in Absentia ...

By Yvonne Ridley
Global Research, May 14, 2012
Foreign Policy Journal 14 May 2012

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were today (Friday) found guilty of war crimes.

Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.

The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.

At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals for public record.

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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby stefano » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:33 am

MH17 crash: Dutch minister says passenger 'wore oxygen mask'

9 October 2014 Last updated at 10:35 GMT

Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans has said that one of the 298 people killed in the downing of a Malaysia Airlines plane over eastern Ukraine was found wearing an oxygen mask.

His revelation casts doubt on the theory that all on board died instantly when the plane was hit by a missile.

An initial report last month said flight MH17 broke up in mid-air after being hit by "objects" that "pierced the plane at high velocity".

Rebel leaders deny shooting it down.

Mr Timmermans is due to leave his post shortly as foreign minister to take up a high-profile post as European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker's right-hand man.
Final moments

He mentioned the oxygen mask during an interview on Dutch TV in which he was taken to task about an emotive speech he gave to the UN four days after flight MH17 was downed on 17 July.

In his address to the Security Council, Mr Timmermans imagined the horror felt by the passengers "when they knew the plane was going down" and wondered whether they had looked each other in the eyes "one final time, in an unarticulated goodbye".

When asked on Wednesday night if he had created an image that had not really taken place, Mr Timmermans said: "Oh yes? Can you be so sure about that?"

He acknowledged that those on board, 196 of them Dutch, would not have seen the missile hit the plane.

"But do you know that someone was found with an oxygen mask on their mouth - and so they had the time to put it on?" Mr Timmermans said.

He went on to say that nothing could be ruled out about the 298 victims' final moments.

The official inquiry into the MH17 disaster has not made any mention of an oxygen mask being found on one of the victims.

But several experts have concluded that the plane would have disintegrated too quickly for the passengers to have known anything about it.

The plane had been flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it crashed in rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine.

Although investigators were unable to visit the crash site because of fighting in the area, their initial report pieced together photographic evidence of the wreckage as well as cockpit and air traffic control data.

They said it pointed to "an in-flight break up" and added there was "no evidence of technical or human error".

The plane was hit while flying at 33,000ft (10,000m) and debris was found over a wide area of eastern Ukrainian territory held by pro-Russian rebels.

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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby Peachtree Pam » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:38 am

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_As ... 50814.html

15 August 2014
Vanishing point
By Pepe Escobar

First, passenger airliner MH370 vanished from Planet Earth. Then MH370 vanished from the news cycle. First, MH17 was shot down by "Putin's missile" - as Planet Earth was told. Then MH17 vanished from the news cycle.

Where's Baudrillard when we need him? Had he been alive, the dervish of simulacra would have already deconstructed these two Malaysian planes as mirror images; from absolute vanishing to maximum exposure, then vanished again. They might as well have been abducted - and shot - by aliens. Now you seem them, now you don't.

Black boxes, data recorders - everything MH17 is now floating in a black void. The British are taking forever to analyze the data - and if they have already done so, they are not talking. It's as if they were singing, I see a black box / and I want it painted black … void.

The Pentagon, with 20-20 vision over Ukraine, knows what happened. Russian intelligence not only knows what happened but offered a tantalizing glimpse of it in an official presentation, dismissed by the "West". The best technical analyses point not to "Putin's missile" - a BUK - but to a combination of R-60 air-to-air missile and the auto-cannon of an Su-25.

A reader led me to this fair assessment by former USAF and Boeing engineer Raymond Blohm: "With proper vectoring, a Su-25 need not be quite as fast as a Boeing 777 in cruise. It just has to get to a missile-firing position. Since the 777 was not maneuvering, it would be simple to pre-calculate when to get in a certain spot in the sky below the 777. From there, it's the missile that has the speed and altitude capability to hit the 777. (The R-60 is a very capable missile.) After the missile takes out an engine, both the 777's max speed and its max altitude are well within the Su-25 fighter's speed & altitude capabilities. Then, the Su-25 can show off its cannon power."

Follow the engine wreckage. Follow the cockpit wreckage. Follow the motive. One cannot even imagine the tectonic geopolitical plates clashing were the Kiev regime to be deemed responsible. It would be the vanishing point for the whole - warped - notion of the Empire of Chaos's "indispensable" exceptionalism.

So as MH370 totally vanished, the MH17 story must also totally vanish. The Dutch and the British might eventually come out and hold a high-profile press conference telling the world what His Master's Voice finally redacted. Still, one may count on certified, residual outrage, if not puzzlement, by a large number of grieving Dutch families. And one may count on certified outrage by Malaysia as a nation. As in Why Us? And not once but twice?

Moscow, after deconstructing the "logic" of the ongoing Russia/Putin hysterical demonization, knows that whatever they say will be invalidated by the Orwellian Thought Police. Yet as much as His Master's Voice controls what the Dutch and the British might eventually reveal, Russia can counterpunch by leaking the crucial scenario to Malaysia. And Malaysia will talk.

MH370 vanished as in a video game. MH17 was hit as in a video game. Now their respective narratives are being vanished. It's as if we are living a tiny rehearsal of the black hypothesis of post-history.

Postmodernist star Jean-Francois Lyotard and later Flemish thinker Lieven De Cauter were the rarified few who dabbled in studying the black hypothesis. The black hypothesis is the ultimate dystopia - playing out in the cosmological time of the death of the sun, something like 4.5 billion years away. Basically this is about techno-science surviving the death of the sun and the death of humanity itself.

So MH370 may have vanished into an antechamber of the black hypothesis. But MH17 is much more prosaic; it could have been just a false flag gone wrong. Thus, under Empire of Chaos's rules, it must also vanish. The question is whether global civil society will accept it - or has already entered its own vanishing point.

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Der Spiegel Interview with Sir Tim Clark on MH370

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:31 pm

Here

Clark is the head of Emirates Airlines and doubts the Indian Ocean hypothesis. Of course, when The Independent picked up this story they started throwing around the term "conspiracy theory," as stooges are wont to do.

Add to this the only other route that fits the satellite data, and we have the plane flying over Burmese territory and ending up in eastern Tibet. Remember that Burma and China are on-again off-again allies, so I wouldn't exclude some kind of Chinese operation, with or without the consent of the civilian government.
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:30 pm

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WEEKEND EDITION DECEMBER 19-21, 2014
A Wider Geopolitical Agenda
Why the Secrecy on the Mh17 Investigation
by JAMES O'NEILL
On 17 July 2014 Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine.

Although the precise circumstances were at that point unknown the western media were quick to blame Ukrainian “rebels”. The means by which MH17 was destroyed, the media alleged, was a surface to air BUK missile supplied to the “rebels” by Russia. For a host of reasons it was almost certainly not a BUK missile that caused the crash. The stage was set however, for a demonization of Russia in general as the alleged supplier of the missile, and President Vladimir Putin in particular. The relentless propaganda enforcing this view has continued unabated to this day, although the evidential foundation for the allegations remains at best remote.

The Russians produced an initial denial of involvement. Four days after the tragedy however, as anti-Russian hysteria was escalating to extreme levels, the Russian military held a press presentation. The fact of this presentation was barely reported in the western media. The content, more importantly, was either ignored or misrepresented.

The Russians disclosed, inter alia, their radar and satellite data. These data showed that MH17 had been diverted from its scheduled route so that it flew directly over the war zone in eastern Ukraine. They asked for an explanation but one has never been forthcoming. These data also showed that MH17 had been shadowed during its last minutes by two SU25 fighter jets, a model flown by the Ukrainian air force. Again the Russians asked why this had happened.

The main response was a claim that the SU25 could not fly above 10,000 metres. Not only is this untrue, as an examination of military resources readily demonstrates, but the Wikipedia entry on the SU25 had been altered days before the shoot down to claim that the SU25’s operating ceiling was only 7000 metres. Again the western media ignored this obvious alarm bell.

The Russians further disclosed that at the precise time of the shoot down an American spy satellite was directly overhead the scene and would have recorded the sequence of events. The Russians invited the Americans to share these data with the official investigation that had been launched, but to date the Americans have failed to do so. Again, the western media are singularly incurious as to the reason for this lack of cooperation.

Under IATA Rules, the parties responsible for the investigation would be the Malaysians, as owners of the plane and home country of the airline, and the Ukrainians over whose territory the atrocity occurred. It was the Dutch however, who took the lead role, citing two facts: the plane had departed from Amsterdam; and they had suffered the largest number of their nationals as victims. The Malaysians were initially excluded from the inquiry for reasons that have never been satisfactorily explained. They were finally invited to join the Joint Inquiry on 2 December 2014.

Instead, the initial inquiry group consisted of Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium. The Australians suffered the third largest loss of life but had no standing to be one of the investigatory nations, and certainly less of a claim than the Malaysians. The Australian Prime Minister and some other politicians had been at the forefront of making extreme allegations against Russia and President Putin. Why Belgium was included remains a mystery.

On 8 August 2014 these four investigating nations signed an agreement that the results of the investigation would not be published unless all four countries agreed. This gave one of the prime suspects in the atrocity, Ukraine, an effective veto over any investigations result that attributed blame to them. This is an astonishing situation and probably without precedent in modern air crash investigations.

More significantly however, is that the existence of this secret agreement was not announced by the Australian government, nor to the best of my knowledge has any report about the existence of the agreement or its extraordinary terms, been published in any mainstream publication.

The Dutch magazine Elsevier, under Dutch Freedom of Information laws, sought a copy of the agreement. On 19 November they announced that the request had been refused on the grounds that it “could endanger the relations with other countries involved.”

An Australian citizen (name redacted) wrote to the Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development (Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss) seeking a copy of the agreement. By letter dated 15 October 2014 the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) replied on behalf of the Minister, refusing the requester a copy of the agreement as its contents were “classified.”

The present writer wrote to DFAT on 21 August 2014 seeking a copy of the agreement of 8 August 2014 under the Freedom of Information Act. The department declaimed responsibility and said that they had passed my request on to the Attorney-General’s Department. This was odd, but even odder was advice from the Attorney General that my request had been passed in turn to the Australian Federal Police who were the responsible body.

This must be the first time in Australian history since 1901 that negotiations and agreements between sovereign nations had been conducted on Australia’s behalf by the Federal Police.

On 2 December 2014 the Australian Federal Police finally gave their decision on the FOI request. It was declined on the basis that disclosure of the document (which they acknowledged existed) under section 33 would, or could reasonably be expected to, cause damage to:

(i) the security of the Commonwealth; or

(ii) the defence of the Commonwealth; or

(iii) the international relations of the Commonwealth.

The refusal also relied upon section 37(1)(a) of the Act which exempts a document if it could reasonably be said to prejudice the conduct of an investigation.

Thirdly, the Federal Police relied upon section 37(1) (c) where disclosure could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety of a person.

The fourth ground of refusal was under section 37(2)(b) which exempts disclosure where it might reasonably be expected to prejudice an investigation by disclosing methods of investigation or detection of unlawful activity.

In the circumstances of this case it is very difficult to see how any of those provisions would apply. The agreement, it should be remembered, is to give any one of the four investigating countries a veto over publication of the results. A final report would be entitled to withhold details of the investigation that would truly prejudice matters of national security.

An investigation of a crash of an aeroplane is however, carried out under IATA Rules and its procedures are well established and well documented. Whose life or safety might be endangered by releasing the agreement is unspecified.

One is left with the conclusion that 33 (iii) is the real ground and the “international relations” referred to are the difficulty Australia and other nations have got themselves into by prematurely blaming Russia when all of the emerging evidence points squarely at Ukraine.

Given the existence of this agreement it is difficult to see how anyone can have any confidence in whatever final report is published by the Dutch. The preliminary report was careful not to apportion blame or even state the cause of the crash other than to say that the plane was hit a by a large number of “high velocity objects” which were undefined.

Another major question is why have the mainstream media kept up a barrage of misinformation up to and including the recent G20 debacle, when they know, or ought to know that the investigation is a sham?

It is also difficult to see how the continued demonization of Russia and Mr Putin for manifestly geo-political reasons (and the probable reasons for the shoot down in the first place) represents any form of justice for the families of the 298 victims and in particular the 37 who were Australian citizens or residents.

It is clear that the Government’s professed support for Security Council Resolution 2116 (2014) for a “full, thorough, and independent international investigation into the incident in accordance with international civil aviation guidelines” is no more than window dressing for a much wider geopolitical agenda.
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby elfismiles » Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:16 pm

'U.S. military shot down MH370 because they thought it had been hacked and was about to be used in terror attack', claims former airline boss
Marc Dugain says U.S. Navy in Indian Ocean attacked the plane
He claims that islanders saw the plane fly close to a U.S. base
Also alleges that a spy told him to back away from his probe into MH370
By Sam Webb for MailOnline
Published: 08:53 EST, 22 December 2014 | Updated: 14:57 EST, 22 December 2014
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -boss.html

Re: Shot down with Malaysian MH-17
Post by KUAN » 22 Dec 2014 20:04

KUAN » 22 Dec 2014 20:04 wrote:December 22, 2014
MH370 was 'shot down by US military', claims former French airline boss


http://rt.com/news/216675-mh370-shot-down-us/
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby psynapz » Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:47 am

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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:44 pm



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/d ... chronology

At 6.13am the pilot, an Indonesian man named Iriyanto, contacted air traffic control in Jakarta with a request: the plane was cruising at 32,000ft over the Java sea and was approaching some nasty weather. Could he rise to 38,000ft to avoid a storm cloud?

Then, mysteriously, the captain went silent. At 7.24am Jakarta air traffic controllers realised they had lost contact with the plane – Iriyanto had not sent a distress signal. Thirty minutes later, they informed their Singaporean counterparts.

At 11.41am AirAsia posted a statement to its Facebook page: “AirAsia Indonesia regrets to confirm that flight QZ8501 from Surabaya to Singapore has lost contact with air traffic control at 07.24hrs this morning,” it said. “At the present time we unfortunately have no further information regarding the status of the passengers and crew members on board, but we will keep all parties informed as more information becomes available.”

The company’s CEO, the Malaysian-British entrepreneur Tony Fernandes, tweeted that he was en route to Surabaya. AirAsia changed its bright red logo to grey on social media sites.

And observers found themselves asking the same disquieting question they had asked twice already this year: in a world of satellite tracking, how can a passenger jet simply disappear?

Furthermore, AirAsia is headquartered in Malaysia, home also to Malaysia Air, which has lost two planes in 2014 – one in the southern Indian Ocean, and another, four months later, allegedly shot down over Ukraine.
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby RocketMan » Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:08 pm

I read in a local newspaper that there are rumours of one survivor having been found from the flight by a fisherman in the area where the plane was last contacted.
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby zangtang » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:13 pm

them local newspapers work fast....................................
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Re: 2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:04 am

debris found and 40 bodies recovered
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