P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Moderators: DrVolin, 82_28, Elvis, Jeff

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:17 am

I still haven't read through all of the pages you've posted up Semper, but the name Abrasax (one of the magazines/publications that Dark Lily had to disassosciate itself from, due to their advocacy of....) must be familiar from the Dutroux case...? It is to me.
Not sure if that's the point you were making.

Unrelated, but the Abraxas Corporation is worth knowing about too.
"The universe is 40 billion light years across and every inch of it would kill you if you went there. That is the position of the universe with regard to human life."
User avatar
AhabsOtherLeg
 
Posts: 3285
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:43 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:36 am

On the subject of the various British study groups who concentrated on psychology and sexuality in this period, some of whom Guruilla mentioned above, it might be worth recalling Lord Longford's famous Committee of Inquiry into the societal effects of pornography.

Hope you haven't mentioned this already over on the Yorkshire thread Guirilla, I must confess I have not read it all yet.

Longford was against porn, btw, and wanted it banned. But who did he have appointed as a member of his board of inquiry on the commission? None other than the Radio One DJ Jimmy Savile.

As long ago as 1971, he was appointed a member of Lord Longford’s commission of inquiry into pornography. Ten years later, Lord Longford wanted to appoint Savile to another commission, this time on Mental After-Care.

In 1988, the Department of Health suspended the management board of Broadmoor, and put him (Savile) in charge.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... sight.html


Kingsley Amis and his wife at the time, Elizabeth Jane Howard, were also members of Longford's pornography Commission. They reckoned porn was alright. I think Cliff Richard was on it too (aye, he was). I cast no aspersions on the characters of these people for joining the board of an inquiry into what must've seemed (at the time) to be an important social issue - but seriously, wtf?

CR also turns up on the purported Elm Guesthouse list, of course.

Lord Longford has decided to produce a report on pornography...

The committee of inquiry was, predictably, a farce from beginning to end. Its remit was to discover the ‘means of tackling the problem of pornography’, so no one was much surprised when the membership was packed with Christian cronies of the chairman, and excluded those who didn’t see pornography as a problem in the first instance. And, since a survey in the ’70s revealed that one in five men regularly bought pornographic magazines, it has to be assumed that there were many who didn’t view it in the same negative light.

Amongst those who were included, and who stayed the course, were singer Cliff Richard and Radio One DJ Jimmy Savile, alongside more obvious suspects like Malcolm Muggeridge (he had spoken at VALA’s first convention, declaring that ‘if Till Death Us Do Part is life, I cannot see that there would be anything to do but commit suicide’) and the Rt. Revd Ronald Ralph Williams, the Bishop of Leicester, whose response to a Ken Russell film was truly magnificent in its acceptance of the divine will: ‘I never thought that I should give thanks to God for being blind, but since my wife has told me what she has seen in the film, The Devils, I am genuinely grateful that I at least have been spared that.’

The high point of the exercise was undoubtedly a trip to Denmark to witness some of the famed live sex shows of that country, at one of which ‘a beautiful young woman pressed a whip into Lord Longford’s hand and invited him to beat her’. The Guardian report of the incident added: ‘His Lordship declined.’ As he beat instead a hasty retreat, he told his colleague, the future Tory MP Gyles Brandreth, that he ‘had seen enough for science and more than enough for enjoyment’. In the circumstances, it was perhaps as well that he didn’t recognize that the ‘woman’ was in fact a transvestite.

On the plane over, Longford had been ostentatiously reading the Bible to put himself in the correct frame of mind, though perhaps he would have been better off having had a word with his newly acquired fellow campaigner, Mary Whitehouse. She had visited Denmark the previous year as part of a World in Action programme and had picked up a magazine in her hotel bookshop containing images so ‘pervasive and corrupting’ that she had to pray to ‘ask the Lord to cleanse her’.

When the Longford report emerged in 1972, it was an immediate best-seller, largely because it was marketed as a fat paperback with the single word ‘Pornography’ in huge letters on the cover, and because it retailed at a very competitive 60p.
http://www.alwynwturner.com/crisis/extracts08.html
Last edited by AhabsOtherLeg on Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:17 am, edited 1 time in total.
"The universe is 40 billion light years across and every inch of it would kill you if you went there. That is the position of the universe with regard to human life."
User avatar
AhabsOtherLeg
 
Posts: 3285
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:43 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:08 am

Plutonia » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:01 pm wrote:In 1981 Jimmy Boyle was involved in setting up the Gateway Exchange in Edinburgh- a sort of cultural centre for addicts. Though apparently "reformed", he had been protected by the Krays in London, while he was on the run from police in the mid-1960s.


Ah, God, I always seem to have a personal anecdote to share on these threads, which never tends to reflect well on me. Anyways, Jimmy Boyle certainly wasn't reformed in the 60s, at the time when the Krays sheltered him (and also recruited Arthur Thompson Snr., the future Godfather of Glasgow).

The Krays tended to use hired Scots as their muscle, once they'd become established, since they didn't want to put their trust in anyone who might harbour previous London-based loyalties. They also knew they could rely on the likes of Boyle and Thompson to kill without any noticeable compunction, and then disappear north on the train the next day.

Personal anecdote time. My Dad used to swear that he was briefly incarcerated in the same block as Jimmy Boyle, I think he said it was at Greengairs Young Offenders Institution* (not sure if it was called that back then, though). This was in the late Sixties/very early Seventies, under the "short, sharp shock" doctrine that was popular at the time, where even a first offence - if violent - could net you three months with few questions asked.

I never knew whether to believe him or not about this - Boyle was a convicted murderer with a long criminal record, and likely would've headed straight to Barlinnie, whereas my dad (by his own account) was a young idiot who'd got involved in some local territorial silliness. I just can't see Jimmy Boyle being held at Greengairs, and I also can't see my Dad being held in Barlinnie. It's a puzzler, eh? Also totally irrelevant. Sorry. :oops:

I know nothing at all about the Gateway Exchange, 'pologies.

* Correction, the village is called Greengairs, but the prison is called Lonriggend.
Last edited by AhabsOtherLeg on Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
"The universe is 40 billion light years across and every inch of it would kill you if you went there. That is the position of the universe with regard to human life."
User avatar
AhabsOtherLeg
 
Posts: 3285
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:43 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:14 am

Some more PIE members here. Once again, bizarrely, yachting is a prominent feature in the crimes:

"The universe is 40 billion light years across and every inch of it would kill you if you went there. That is the position of the universe with regard to human life."
User avatar
AhabsOtherLeg
 
Posts: 3285
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:43 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:45 am

AhabsOtherLeg » 15 Apr 2014 05:17 wrote:I still haven't read through all of the pages you've posted up Semper, but the name Abrasax (one of the magazines/publications that Dark Lily had to disassosciate itself from, due to their advocacy of....) must be familiar from the Dutroux case...? It is to me.
Not sure if that's the point you were making.

Unrelated, but the Abraxas Corporation is worth knowing about too.



......look like some good links - thanks Ahab....it was Ganymede I was referring to - hence the ..errr..yellow highlighting :nahnah:
User avatar
semper occultus
 
Posts: 2859
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:01 pm
Location: London,England
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:14 am

semper occultus » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:45 am wrote:......look like some good links - thanks Ahab....it was Ganymede I was referring to - hence the ..errr..yellow highlighting :nahnah:


Aye, but you get what I mean though, eh? Abrasax. Course ye do:

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=abrasax+dutroux

Not trying to distract from Ganymede and it's yellow lunar pull or anything, just sayin'.

You might've already said this about Abrasax, of course, but I'm saying it again anyway in case anybody missed it. :thumbsup
"The universe is 40 billion light years across and every inch of it would kill you if you went there. That is the position of the universe with regard to human life."
User avatar
AhabsOtherLeg
 
Posts: 3285
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:43 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby guruilla » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:52 pm

For some reason I didn't get notifications for these last few posts...

Thanks to AOL for finding the link between Longford and JS - I was pretty sure it was there. Funny that Mary Whitehouse is in the mix too, as I just mentioned her at my blog. Pretty hard to sort out the agenda of these players when apparent opponents end up at the same parties (MW was apparently a fierce opponent of PIE, God knows what she thought - publicly - of Myra Hindley).

AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:08 am wrote: Jimmy Boyle certainly wasn't reformed in the 60s, at the time when the Krays sheltered him (and also recruited Arthur Thompson Snr., the future Godfather of Glasgow).

The Krays tended to use hired Scots as their muscle, once they'd become established, since they didn't want to put their trust in anyone who might harbour previous London-based loyalties. They also knew they could rely on the likes of Boyle and Thompson to kill without any noticeable compunction, and then disappear north on the train the next day.

Appreciate this little tidbit too. Have you got a source for it? I haven't been able to find much beyond that the Krays "thought highly" of JB and that he was under their protection in the late 60s, just before he got thrown in jail (soon after which the Krays followed him).

As for your dad doing time with JB, seems quite possible because JB spent time in just about every jail in Scotland, since he caused so much trouble that they kept transferring him. You can probably find a list of all the different jails JB wound up in, or check out a copy of Sense of Freedom.

Did your dad have anything to say about Boyle?
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
User avatar
guruilla
 
Posts: 1383
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:13 am
Location: Canada
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Plutonia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:49 pm

Semper thanks for posting those scans, though I'm finding it's very difficult material to read. I thought I was a well-seasoned RI veteran, inured to the darker aspects of human activities, but that stuff is in it's own category of horror. Gah!

I have a few more resources to post but first, I feel a revisit of DeMause is warranted (and antidote).
THE UNIVERSALITY OF INCEST
by Lloyd DeMause
The Journal of Psychohistory, Fall 1991, Vol. 19, No. 2

...Two kinds of incest will be considered: direct incest, overt sexual activity between family members other than spouses; and indirect incest, the providing of children by their parents to others in order for them to be sexually molested.

There are two reasons why I believe indirect incest must be included in any definition of incestuous activity. First of all, arranging for children to have sex with other household members or neighbors is usually motivated by the incestuous wishes of the parent; and, in any case, it is usually perceived by the child to be similar to direct incest. Secondly, clinical studies show that contemporary sexual abuse usually involves a parent or guardian, who, if not the direct perpetrator, covertly brings about the incident in order to satisfy their own incestuous wishes.(15)
...
CHILDHOOD SEXUAL ABUSE IN CONTEMPORARY WESTERN SOCIETIES

In determining the actual incidence of childhood sexual abuse in modern societies, the main problem is that one must rely upon witnesses who have enormous emotional difficulties in reporting what they find — far more so than with any other psychohistorical subject I have encountered.

For one thing, most writers on the subject have themselves usually been advocates of pedophilia. Ever since the early studies of such sexologists as Symonds and Eglinton,(37) most writing on incest has been by scholars hoping to justify sexual relations with children by showing how widespread the practice has been. Many openly state, as do Allen Edwardes and R. E. L. Masters, that "there is no shame in being a … pederast or a rapist if one is satisfied," (38) or claim that incest can be a positive, healthy experience," as does social worker LeRoy Schultz, who writes extensively on childhood sexuality. (39) Even Kinsey wrote: "It is difficult to understand why a child, except for its cultural conditioning, should be disturbed at having its genitalia touched," (40) while his coauthor in the Kinsey studies, Wardell Pomeroy, wrote that "incest between adults and younger children can … be a satisfying and enriching experience …"(41)

One must use the research of such scholars with extreme caution, since their main motive is to deny the coercion involved when adults seduce lonely, unloved children. Yet the task of digging through the truly staggering amount of literature on sexuality in past and present societies (42) (there are over sixty journals alone with regular articles on the subject) is so overwhelming that, in order to locate the rare primary sources that are available, the researcher cannot avoid consulting the life work of pedophilia advocates.
....
Therefore, the best estimates for memories of childhood sexual abuse we now have for the United States are 40 percent for girls and 30 percent for boys, almost half directly incestuous for girls and about a quarter directly incestuous for boys. (51)

Yet even these astonishingly high figures are only a portion of the hidden true incidence rates. Four additional factors raise the actual rates even higher:

The groups interviewed do not include many people in the American population who have far higher than average sexual molestation experiences, including institutionalized criminals, prostitutes, juveniles in shelters and psychotics (52),
the studies only count admissions to the interviewer of abuse, and it is unlikely that no conscious memories were ever suppressed during the interviews,
a large percent of each study refused to be interviewed, and these may have been the most victimized of all,(53) and
most importantly, these studies include only clear conscious memories of events — unconscious memories, which are usually only uncovered during psychotherapy, would increase these rates.

It is possible to correct the incidence rates statistically for these factors, Although only 11 percent of Russell's respondents recalled being victimized before the age of five, another study shows the most common age of sexual abuse reported to authorities is four years, while other studies report that from 21 to 50 percent of reported sexual abuse victims involve children under five.(54) Since few people consciously recall traumatic events of any kind before the age of five, and since the graph for sexual abuse distribution by age runs roughly level from ages two to sixteen,(55) the incidence figures stated above should be increased by at least an additional 50 percent(56) to account for these three factors, Therefore, the corrected incidence rates are at least 60 percent for Girls and 45 percent for boys. Until someone is courageous enough to directly question the children themselves whether they have been molested — a simple procedure that has never been done in any published study to date — 60 and 45 percent should be considered as the most reliable national incidence rates we now have available for the U.S.

These reports of childhood seduction are considered by researchers to be real memories, not fantasies. Not only do most researchers conclude, like Russell, that "underdisclosure was a significant problem … not fabrication of experiences," (57) but another study of 53 women that attempted to independently confirm memories of childhood incest found 74 percent could be positively confirmed plus another 9 percent indirectly supported, while none were discovered to be just fantasies.(58)
...
The best evidence for the cause of pedophilia is provided by the clinical reports of the psychotherapists who have written extensively on the subject.(74) The pedophile, similar to other perverts, suffers from severe lack of love and fears of individuation in his or her early childhood, and both desires and dreads merging with the mother because of an enormous need to reinstate mother-child unity. Earlier childhood abuse of pedophiles is commonly found. As an adult, the pedophile must have sex with children in order to maintain the illusion of being loved, while at the same time dominating the children as they themselves once experienced domination, repeating actively their own caretaker's sadism. The pedophile uses the child as a breast-substitute, both in the sense of using him or her for gratification and also as an object for sadistic aggression.

The pedophile's sexual activity is extraordinarily compulsive because it wards off recurring feelings of fragmentation, depression and death. This helps explain why the pedophile's sexual targets are so interchangeable and why an active pedophile often seduces hundreds of children in his or her life. The seduction of children is a desperate defense against fears of personal disintegration. It should not be thought of — as it usually is by historians and anthropologists — as "an outbreak of instinctual sexuality." or as being due to "a lack of impulse controls" or "a weak superego." Adults who molest children have extremely powerful punitive superegos and are often highly religious. They are driven to their acts not by their sexual instincts but by their overwhelming intrapsychic anxieties. Given the seriousness of the perversion, it is not surprising that successful therapeutic methods have only recently become available.(75)

The time when one could deny that sexual seduction is extremely traumatic for children appears to have ended. The more studies that come out on the effects of childhood sexual abuse, the more severe the damage is found to be. The flood of books and articles documenting the emotional problems of victims both in childhood and in later life has to be read in detail to appreciate the profound sense of betrayal and the terrifying fears felt by the child, so that even single incidents have the power to permanently ravage their lives. Severe somatic reactions, depersonalization, self-hatred, hysterical seizures, depression, borderline personality formation, promiscuity, sexual dysfunctions, suicide, self-mutilation, night terrors and flashbacks, multiple personalities, post-traumatic stress disorders, delinquency, bulimia, and the overall stunting of feelings and capacities have all been documented — the earlier and the more often the abuse, the worse the damage.(76) [!!!!]

etc

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/ ... Incest.htm


So moving on, here is a list of pro-paedo organizations and publications I came across:
AMG - Athletic Model Guild (USA)

Acolyte Press (frank torey) (Amsterdam)

A.M.b.L.A - (Australia) Australian Man boy Love Association

Apollo

A.P.S.G - (Australia) Australia Paedophile Support Group. Founded in 1980 or 1983 according to other sources. It was succeeded by the Boy Lovers and Zucchini Eaters (BLAZE), another group dismantled by police.

Azoz Films (Canada)

Boy Lovers (Australia / New Zealand)

CHE (UK)

Chic

CRIES (Belgium) Centre de Recherche et d'Information sur l'Enfance et la Sexualité (CRIES), 1982-1986. Founded by Philippe Charpentier. It was destroyed in a sensational conspiracy trial which resulted in the extinction of any pedophile movement in Belgium and France. The group published the magazine L'Espoir

Christopher Street (USA)

Coalition Pédophile Québécois (Canada)

Danish Pedophile Association (DPA) (Denmark) The Pedophile Group or Pedophile Group association is a Danish organisation which was disbanded on March 21, 2004. A website is still running, operated by a group of active members of the former association. It was originally founded in 1985. On July 23, 1996 the group had eighty registered members and participated in an International Congress in Denmark. It was also a member of the IPCE (formerly the International Pedophile and Child Emancipation). A 2004 newspaper article identified Dan Markussen as the organization's spokesman.
In 2000, a Danish TV documentary team went undercover to investigate the group. Members were shown exchanging child porn and giving advice on how to contact children in internet chatrooms. A man was arrested by police in connection with the investigation.
In 2000, the group asked its members to provide misleading information to authorities to help Eric Franklin Rosser, an ex-member of John Mellencamp's band and a man charged with producing and distributing child pornography, evade prosecution. He was convicted in 2001 however, and was subsequently added to the U.S.Federal Bureau of Investigation's most wanted list

Dreamboard (USA)

Emma

Fach Und Selbsthilfegruppe Paedophilie. (Belgium) Founded at the early 1970s. In autumn 1994 Professor Rüdiger Lautmann come to Zuerich to have a public speech for this group. Defunct?

Fun Club
Gay News

Groupe de Recherche pour une Enfance Différente (GRED) (France) 1979-1987. The group published the bulletin Le Petit Gredin

International Journal of Greek Love

IPCE - International Paedophile and Child Emancipation (forum/website)

KALOS
L'Espoir
Libido
Lolita

Martijn. (Netherlands) Founded in 1982. The most important pedophile association in Europe. On 27 June 2012 a Dutch court ruled that the group was illegal and ordered it to disband immediately. However this decision was overturned by a higher court in April 2013. The judge motivated his or her decision by stating that Martijn club did not commit crimes and the right offreedom of association.The group published the bulletin OK Magazine

Masons

N.A.M.b.L.A (frank torey) (USA)

Orchid

Paidika (Netherlands) Journal of Paedophilia. Published 1987 onwards.

PAL
PAN (A Spartacus publication - editor frank torey)
Panthology (frank torey)

P.I.E (UK) Paedophile Information Exchange

POJKAERT. (Belgium) Paedophile publication.

Social Services
Spartacus

Stiekum (Belgium)

Studiegroep Pedofilie (Belgium) Defunct

TBP - The Body Politic
Thursday's Child
Toro Bravo
UK Gov

Zandvoort

Those are from this link, which also has an easily searchable database of 174 known paedos and pro-paedo advocates, some with their affiliations: https://sites.google.com/site/kaztiggrfiles/paedo-mags

It also houses a collection of reports and paedo-related documents, including some for Dutroux, Bryn Alyn and Tom O'Carroll - I haven't surveyed them all yet.
https://sites.google.com/site/kaztiggrfiles/home

Also, there is an archive of full text files of paedo magazines, covering 1966-1995, stashed here AT THE PRO-PAEDO WEBSITE OF RETIRED USC PROF GERALD JONES Ph.D: http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/panfull DOT htm

The list of Elm Guest House paedophiles:
Image

Carol Kasir (co-operator of the Elm Guest House) claimed to have kept names from the guest register of Elm Guest House, pictured above, which include major establishment figures. The full list is below:

Anthony Blunt, Royal Connections, MI5, traitor, Russian spy deceased.
Harvey Proctor, Monday Club, well known convicted paedophile.
Sir Peter Bottomley. Worthing MP and Monday Club
Charles Irving
Leon Britton, Lord, ex Thatcher Minister (likely the Tory ex minister referred to anonymously in recent newpaper reports)
Peter Brooke, Life Peer
John Rowe, MI5, former MP
Cyril Smith, deceased, ex Rochdale MP
Ron Brown
Colin Jordan, ex National Front Leader
George Tremlett, Former GLC Leader
Peter Campbell, Monday Club
Gary Walker, Sinn Fein
Cliff Richard,aged Pop Star, known at Elm Guest House as ‘Kitty’
Jess Conrad, aged ex Pop Star.
Ron Wells, aged Musician, aka ‘Gladys’ at Elm Guest House.
Richard Miles, Monday Club
Chris Denning, ex BBC DJ, convicted paedophile.
R Langley, Buckingham Palace Equerry
Terry Dwyer
Patrick Puddles
Louis Minster, Head of Richmond Social Services
Colin Peters, QC – a convicted paedophile sentenced to 8 years in 1989
Steve Everett, Senior Westminster Social worker
Ray Wire, so called expert on Paedophile therapy
Peter Glencross, editor of Monday Club newsletter
Guy Hamilton Blackwell, son of Westland Helicopters Chairman
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/12 ... -to-no-10/
[the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister

T Jefferson,
User avatar
Plutonia
 
Posts: 1267
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:07 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby Plutonia » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:12 pm

AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:08 pm wrote:...
I never knew whether to believe him or not about this - Boyle was a convicted murderer with a long criminal record, and likely would've headed straight to Barlinnie, whereas my dad (by his own account) was a young idiot who'd got involved in some local territorial silliness. I just can't see Jimmy Boyle being held at Greengairs, and I also can't see my Dad being held in Barlinnie. It's a puzzler, eh? Also totally irrelevant. Sorry. :oops:

I know nothing at all about the Gateway Exchange, 'pologies.

* Correction, the village is called Greengairs, but the prison is called Lonriggend.

Hi Ahab!

David Bryce, in his autobiography, has Boyle at Lonriggend at some point - though he calls it an "approved school", which makes it sound quaint:
Alive and Kicking: A Story of Crime, Addiction and Redemption in Glasgow's Gangland by David Bryce
http://books.google.ca/books?id=zm5Ys7K ... nd&f=false

Interesting connections that Bryce has - from his google books bio:
From running with the infamous Calton Tongs to running Calton Athletic, David Bryce's life story is a remarkable account of crime, violence, alcoholism and drug addiction in Glasgow's gangland.

A respected 'hard man', Bryce worked his way through most of HM's prisons in Scotland before an epiphany in 1977 made him realise that he was a hopeless alcoholic who needed help. A five-year battle followed, during which he sank into the abyss of heroin addiction before finally getting clean.

In 1985, in an effort to help others who were struggling against substance abuse, Bryce set up Calton Athletic, a football team and social group made up solely of recovering drug addicts. Reformed gangster Jimmy Boyle was one of the first to have faith in Bryce and Calton Athletic, but the club eventually won widespread respect. Gordon Brown, then a young [Labour] MP, [later Leader and then PM] was so impressed that he wrote an article for The Observer which led to a TV film starring Lenny Henry and Robbie Coltrane. In the '90s, Ewan McGregor, Irvine Welsh and the Trainspotting crew sought Bryce's advice and friendship during the making of the internationally acclaimed cult film, while Robbie Williams begged to switch nationality and play for Calton Atheltic in an 'England v. Scotland' celebrity charity match.

Bryce's uncompromising belief that the only way to come off drugs is to go cold turkey and stay completely clean saw him clash with government agencies over the 'harm-reduction' policy of recent years. The club's statutory funding was withdrawn in 1998, but today Calton Athletic are still providing an invaluable lifeline while the 'official' drugs policy has become increasingly discredited.

Alive and Kicking is an inspirational tale of survival and success against the odds.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=zm5Ys7K ... navlinks_s

I can't help but suspect that guys like Boyle, and now Bryce, get these perks - early release, help up the ladder to social prominence, respectability and monetary opportunities - in exchange for something. Providing information or a service, perhaps?

If we allow the possibility that Lord Longford's, Alec Horsley's (and now Gordon Brown's) involvement with criminals was motivated by other-than-humanitarian objectives, it does seem like it could a covert recruitment enterprise. Remember that one of PIE's objectives was to help incarcerated members and then, too, Jimmy Savile oversaw the release of something like 100 Broadmoor inmates while he was in charge there.

Hmmm.... ?
[the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister

T Jefferson,
User avatar
Plutonia
 
Posts: 1267
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:07 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby guruilla » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:44 am

Calton Athletic has been supported by the Gateway Exchange, Camelot, The Stone Foundation, Paul Getty Jnr, BP and Bank of Scotland, Weavers guild, Marks & Spencer's, Alex Morrison - Morrisons Gym, Jack Black mind store, Robertsons Trust and Figment Films.
http://www.caltonathleticrecoverygroup.com/History

One direct link to Savile (JPG), two direct links to my family...
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
User avatar
guruilla
 
Posts: 1383
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:13 am
Location: Canada
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:48 pm

Plutonia » 17 Apr 2014 19:49 wrote:Those are from this link, which also has an easily searchable database of 174 known paedos and pro-paedo advocates, some with their affiliations: https://sites.google.com/site/kaztiggrfiles/paedo-mags


...great links Pluto....first name I see on that one is Roger Moody - who appears on one of my scans posted above :

SOURCE: New York Post, 17 March, 1980
By Journalist Roger Moody

In November, 1977 my house was raided by a north London "porn squad". Ostensibly this was an attempt to link me with a small group of photographers and publishers involved in soft-core photography of boys. In truth, due to my political reputation and my frequent journalistic attacks on the establishment in a number of areas, I was regarded as the brains behind the Paedophile Information Exchange, of which I am not and never have been a member. "What we're after," one of the policemen was heard to mutter during the raid, "is PIE stuff."

The porn squad picked up non-pornographic photos of some of my young friends. As luck would have it the police also seized a family allowance book which I was about to cash for one of the hard-up families I had been helping; within a few hours they had traced the family and were interviewing the boys.”

In autumn 1975 Roger Moody published the first article ever to appear in a British journal (Peace News) in which the author identified himself as a paedophile. It called for a radical movement for paedophile liberation.

For more than a decade he has pioneered the development of adventure playgrounds in urban areas. The material for the present article is largely drawn from a 64-page book by Roger Moody called Indecent Assault, published last March by Word Is Out Publishers, c/o 5 Caledonian Road, London N1



….and to redress the political balance somewhat….

Michel Caignet

Founding member of the Gay Nazi Party. The fact that dear Adolf caused most people of his sexual orientation to be bumped off is neither here not there as far as Michel Caignet was concerned. His weighty tome Homosexuality and National Socialism testified to that. He was editor of Gay France magazine and turned it into an extreme right publication. He was also a paedophile, and the brain behind the Toro Bravo paedophile network, which rocked France when it was discovered in April 1996. He also published photographs taken by fellow paedophile and extreme right winger Bernard Alapetite. These photos were of children in paedophile poses, dressed up in the uniform of Hitler’s brown shirts.
User avatar
semper occultus
 
Posts: 2859
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:01 pm
Location: London,England
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:49 pm

…..interesting bit of connective tissue exposed to the miscroscope on the Icke forum today re nefarious esoteric paedo connections…in particular the organisation Ganymede….

….. could potentially go in any of the PIE documents, Savile or Occult Yorkshire threads….( co-incidentally Savile also lived in a high-rise Leeds flat )


the names referred to are a bit confusing as they refer to 2 leading figures in the Chaos Magic milieu Phil Hine & Pete Carroll – who is no relation to Tom O’Carroll of PIE fame & appears to be objecting to the former’s sympathies in that direction...


ImageImageImage


Image

http://nathanieljharris.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/paeds-and-chaos-magic/
User avatar
semper occultus
 
Posts: 2859
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:01 pm
Location: London,England
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby guruilla » Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:34 pm

Interesting. One thought I had, that if deMause's stats are close to accurate, chances are good that anyone who is discussing this subject matter, whether in the context of chaos magick, conspiracy, paratainment, UFOs, or whatever else, has been on the receiving end of sexual abuse, remembered or not. So the tendency to go soft on it - to become an apologist for the abuser - could be partly resulting from a desire (which is also an instinctive survival mechanism) to minimize the awareness of the harm done to oneself ("I'm all right, Jim. Nothing to see here," a la Richard Dawkins?) and identify with the abuser.

Conversely, the desire to come down like a ton of bricks on pedophiles, and anyone who doesn't condemn them and their actions out of hand, is also likely to be a defensive reaction to distance the psyche from re-experiencing the abuse, or recognizing one's own capacity/sympathy for it?

What a can o' worms!
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
User avatar
guruilla
 
Posts: 1383
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:13 am
Location: Canada
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:10 am

guruilla » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:52 am wrote:For some reason I didn't get notifications for these last few posts...

Thanks to AOL for finding the link between Longford and JS - I was pretty sure it was there. Funny that Mary Whitehouse is in the mix too, as I just mentioned her at my blog. Pretty hard to sort out the agenda of these players when apparent opponents end up at the same parties (MW was apparently a fierce opponent of PIE, God knows what she thought - publicly - of Myra Hindley).


I think Plutonia found the link between JS and Longford before me, plus there may have been somebody over on the dedicated JS thread who mentioned it first - and I bet you'd already mentioned it on the Yorskire thread. Either way, no credit to me.

I don't see anything unusual about apparent (political) opponents ending up attending the same parties. On the very simplest level, they are all in politics (or media), so might end up socialising with each other whether they like it or not. People in the same trade end up meeting, one way or another. On a deeper level, sexual perversion is one of the few areas (like drugs, prostitution, or horse racing) where the high-life and the low-life inevitably mingle. Addiction is a great leveller. It's egalitarian, in it's way. Look at Elm Guest House. If a hardcore neo-Nazi British nationalist like Colin Jordan, and a somewhat left-wing Conservative Europhile jew like Leon Brittan, had ever met each other on those premises, we can be reasonably sure that they would not have fallen out over politics.

AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:08 am wrote: Jimmy Boyle certainly wasn't reformed in the 60s, at the time when the Krays sheltered him (and also recruited Arthur Thompson Snr., the future Godfather of Glasgow).

The Krays tended to use hired Scots as their muscle, once they'd become established, since they didn't want to put their trust in anyone who might harbour previous London-based loyalties.



guruilla » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:52 am wrote:Appreciate this little tidbit too. Have you got a source for it? I haven't been able to find much beyond that the Krays "thought highly" of JB and that he was under their protection in the late 60s, just before he got thrown in jail (soon after which the Krays followed him).


Kind of. The autobiography of Tony Lambrianou - "Inside The Firm" - mentions how: "The Twins always liked to have a Jock around them", and of course several senior members of 'The Firm' were Scottish - Ian Barrie, and the explanatorily-named Scotch Jack Dixon, both ex-Army, and considered highly reliable hatchet men. There were others. Far more than would have been the norm in a London-based gang at that time.

I'm pretty sure the unusual prevalence of Scots gangsters amongst The Firm was mentioned in John Pearson's excellent book about the Krays - "The Profession of Violence" - as well. In the edition I own, Pearson keeps saying that there is an aspect to the Kray's crimes that he is not allowed to talk about.

I always used to wonder what he meant. We now know that it concerned Lord Boothby and his relationship with Ronnie Kray.

Neither Boyle nor Thompson were members of The Firm, and I'm not saying they performed any actual killings for the Krays (Thompson was still only in his twenties when he worked for them, already a gangster but not yet a murderer, whereas Boyle was just somebody on the run with a large reputation), but the likes of them would have been useful.

guruilla » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:52 am wrote:As for your dad doing time with JB, seems quite possible because JB spent time in just about every jail in Scotland, since he caused so much trouble that they kept transferring him. You can probably find a list of all the different jails JB wound up in, or check out a copy of Sense of Freedom.


Heh, Plutonia has ended up more or less confirming (in my mind) that my Dad was telling the truth. They must've both been in Longriggend. It was a young offenders' Borstal (the term Approved School, like "housing estate", is a kindly, but mostly inaccurate, euphemism) so Boyle was not then the notorious murderer that he would later become - though I'm sure he would've been known already in criminal and law enforcement circles. (Btw, it would've been six or seven months under the "short, sharp, shock" treatment back then - not three).

He never really had much to say about Boyle - he definitely did not get to know him, and probably barely spoke to him - but one thing he said more than once was that he did not believe that Boyle was a reformed character, at all. He never believed that Paul Ferris had reformed either, later, when that supposedly happened. I don't think he was a great believer in reform altogether.
"The universe is 40 billion light years across and every inch of it would kill you if you went there. That is the position of the universe with regard to human life."
User avatar
AhabsOtherLeg
 
Posts: 3285
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:43 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:27 am

For the record, contra my earlier rantings, Roger Gleaves is still alive. I wish it were not so, but it is so. That'll be why you won't see the docus in which he features being shown on terrestrial TV for some time yet to come, and why the BFI still shies away from naming him on their own official site.

I got him mixed up with another notorious paedo who died in jail on the Isle of Wight not long ago, as reported by Semper over on the Savile thread. They all look the same to me. :lol:
"The universe is 40 billion light years across and every inch of it would kill you if you went there. That is the position of the universe with regard to human life."
User avatar
AhabsOtherLeg
 
Posts: 3285
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:43 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 15 guests