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Postby semper occultus » Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:50 am

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EXCLUSIVE: Secret service infiltrated paedophile group to 'blackmail establishment'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485529 ... stleblower
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:33 pm

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2676994/Former-Home-Secretary-Leon-Brittan-urged-step-forward-share-thoughts-child-sex-abuse-dossier-sent-Whitehall-1980s.html

Former Home Secretary Leon Brittan urged to step forward and share 'his thoughts' on child sex abuse dossier sent to Whitehall in 1980s
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:21 am

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Leon Brittan's faulty memory and a ticking timebomb that could shake Westminster: Tory peer faces questions over 1980s files complied by MP Geoffrey Dickens on Westminster paedophile ring

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -ring.html


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Launch formal investigation into the lost paedophile dossier, says former DPP

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... r-DPP.html



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Ex-minister Lord Brittan under scrutiny over 1980s dossier of sex abuse claims

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... use-claims



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Tory MP's file on alleged VIP child abuse ring was destroyed by family

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/el ... al-1728050
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:43 am

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Tebbit piles pressure on Brittan over VIP abusers: Tory grandee joins chorus demanding explanation over missing dossier detailing Westminster paedophile ring

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -ring.html


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Clegg rejects calls for Hillsborough-style inquiry into historic child sex abuse, despite mounting anger over disappearance of bombshell Westminster paedophile dossier

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ssier.html
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:32 pm

Bombshell after bombshell.

That Express article says Sir Peter Hayman was the Deputy Director of MI6?!

Has that been established previously, and I missed it, or has the Express messed up?

Woah, apparently it was in the Guardian.

There is a lot more detail on Hayman's Wikipedia page now (sourced from UK newspapers) about his various appointments and postings over the years. He was a big fish in a global pond, there's no doubt about it.

If he was Deputy Director of the whole of the UK's foreign intelligence aparatus, rather than merely being an agent or Department head, that changes things. No wonder he was allowed to be designated as "Mr. Henderson" during one of the PIE trials, to keep his name out of the public conciousness. No wonder the Commons went mad when Dickens actually named him.

Deputy Director of MI6? The scale and extremity of the apparent cover-up begins to make more sense, if he was that high up, at least from the establishment's point of view.

But questions arise from this : how could the Deputy Director of MI6 be so stupid as to get caught up in what may have been a Special Branch-funded honeytrap org that publically advocated for paedophilia?

How could the Deputy Director of MI6 get caught receiving pornography through the post (he would've known all about MI5 and Special Branch's role in the Post Office at that time)?

And what was he really doing undercover in Canada, and elsewhere, while posing as the High Commissioner, or in various other dignified roles?

Apparently he was assigned as a British representative to Malta in 1958, and they became independent of Britain in 1961. Good job, I guess? Why did he keep getting these high postings when he sounds like such a fool and liability?

What kind of spy manages to get himself arrested for indecency in a public toilet?*


* I know, I know, a surprising number of them do... but still.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:51 pm

Sir Leon Brittan's recovered memories of receiving the dossier from Geoffrey Dickens tell us that he handed the files on to his Private Secretary, for him to deal with.

His Private Secretary at the time was Sir Brian Cubbon.

Sir Brian has links with both the main UK intelligence services, and once turned up in a document where he was named as the director of an MI6 front company called Hakluyt & Company. I've heard of them before, but struggling to recall where or why.

Anyway, much more detail, with a few links worth following, here:

http://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/07/0 ... ossier-to/
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:06 pm

the bombshells keep dropping !

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there's also a whole retrospective on Hayman in the DM who have got the bit between their teeth for whatever reason :

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....Hakluyt was associated with John Smith's widow who became a Director I believe I am right in saying...
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:22 pm

semper occultus » Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:06 pm wrote:the bombshells keep dropping !


Must admit, at this stage, the most surprising thing about that story is that the alleged victim is female. Though we did know there was such a story coming.

there's also a whole retrospective on Hayman in the DM who have got the bit between their teeth for whatever reason


Good. I'm no fan of the Mail, but was very tired of seeing their expose of the NCCL's clear links to PIE (and the Harman, Dromey, Hewitt involvement) being dismissed by many as mere partisan work on behalf of the Tory party. They hopefully won't be able to dismiss this the same way (though it IS still the Mail, of course, so caution is advised).

Real investigative journalism is rare enough in Britain now that it should always be rewarded when it appears, even if it's coming from unlikely sources.

The Express used to be a real newspaper once upon a time - they faced huge opposition to bring the reality of Hiroshima to the world. Even they could regain that former status now, if they thought it was worth their while to do so. Good work needs encouragement. Shoddy work already gets too much.

....Hakluyt was associated with John Smith's widow who became a Director I believe I am right in saying...


Christ. Yes, it does seem you're right enough. Bloody hell. I have nothing to say about that right now. I should've known about it years ago.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:44 pm

Though we did know there was such a story coming.


......thought that was something to do with a dodgy video cassette .....( which I dare say has been ..."lost"..by now...

Ex-Tory minister 'pictured in child sex abuse video' confiscated by customs at Dover in 1982


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Child abuse files lost at Home Office spark fears of cover-up
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ome-office
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:51 am

AhabsOtherLeg » 06 Jul 2014 00:22 wrote:Real investigative journalism is rare enough in Britain now that it should always be rewarded when it appears, even if it's coming from unlikely sources.

The Express used to be a real newspaper once upon a time


......its fascinating to watch this media / political cage-fight unfold.....how much of this toxic material as been sitting in Fleet Street editors bottom-drawers waiting for the right time or fresh material from people coming forward because they think they'll now be believed.....all following on from the smart, troubled middle-class Duncroft girls breaking their silence over the old monster mouldering in his 45 0 coffin...

.....interestingly the Express stable printed one of the most dynamite stories very early on ( interesting re-read below ) but its been the Mirror & Mail who have really gone big on this...

....the Mail is nakedly motivated by the Leveson stuff & out to discredit the entire political establishment if required, if there's a cave-in on press regulation they might sudenly call the attack-dogs off, the Guardian have been fucking pathetic - Nick Davies is the only one who seems to give a shit about this & maybe too busy on the Snowden story - the interesting missing link is the Murdoch press who haven't broken a single exclusive on this entire set of stories afaik...real kid-glove post-hacking stuff - are they trying ingratiating themselves back with the ptb....the magic's gone out of that relationship now surely...


there have been 2 or 3 stories on police investigations being aborted - including the one with the detective having a gun put to his head by a special branch thug or something - this is actually the real "cover-up" story that needs looking into .....going on some Whitehall dossier-hunt is a total red-herring to an extent



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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby semper occultus » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:13 am

Police are understood to have sent a United States investigator to interview the victim of alleged abuse at Elm Guest House, in Barnes, south-west London, who is now a successful businessman in his early 40s in the east coast US.

A US law enforcement officer, who had recently returned home after concluding a secondment to the Fernbridge team was asked to interview the man on Scotland Yard’s behalf earlier this year.


....what the hell are US agents doing involved in Op. Fernbridge....?

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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:36 am

Tuesday, 8 July 2014

Butler-Sloss sister of the Attorney General who helped bury the Dickens Dossiers and closed down the investigation into Elm Guest House, to chair abuse inquiry??
The Government are wheeling out Establishment figures, intelligence insiders and child abuse apologists to orchestrate another child abuse white-wash with the People paying the bill

Who does Theresa May and Cameron appoint to chair the National child abuse Inquiry but the sister of one of the men who buried the Dickens dossiers!!

Baroness Butler-Sloss is sister to Robert Michael Oldfield Havers, Baron Havers,QC who along with others was responsible for burying the Dickens Dossiers.



Havers an MI6 insider was Attorney General from 1979 to 1987. He was a bitter opponent of Geoffrey Dickens being the Official responsible for not prosecuting Peadophile Sir Peter Hayman M16 and paedophile traitor Geoffrey Prime of Elm Guest house notoriety. In fact Havers closed down all inquiry and investigation into Elm Guest House.

'Havers defended the decision not to prosecute Sir Peter Hayman,

Then he

“was called in to examine complaints” against several British

newspapers by Elm Guest House’s lawyers.


Resulting in the papers dropping the Elm Guest House story.


Havers had managed to effectively bury the story which


allowed the VIP paedophile network’s activities to continue


without being bothered by press coverage.'



Not only did he bury the Dickens dossiers and other child abuse evidence that came his way he was the CPS barrister responsible for the most horrific miscarriage of justice in the UK as we reported two days ago where it was found the prosecution suppressed evidence.


Havers represented the Crown in two of the most notable miscarriages of justice in British judicial history: the trial and appeal of the Guildford Four and also of the Maguire family (known as the Maguire Seven), all of whom were wrongfully convicted. Collectively, they served a total of 113 years in prison and one of the Maguire Seven, Giuseppe Conlon, died in prison, convicted on the basis of discredited forensic evidence

He set-up these innocent people, witheld evidence from the defence and the jury which resulted in appaling suffering to 11 innocent people and allowed the real terrorists (who have never been arrested) to escape home and free.



Havers and Butler-Sloss are establishment figures of magnitude. They came from a long line Establishment insiders. Their father Sir Cecil Havers was the evil judge who condemned to death a battered woman who was hanged because he would not allow the jury to hear about her physical and sexual abuse at the hands of the man who died.

newsoftheworld17jul88.gif (27666 bytes)And it gets worse! Baroness Butler-Sloss's husband is a paedophile, another of our great judiciary His Honour Joseph Butler-Sloss admits 'using' prostitutes in England and in Kenya. What even the News of the world did not print was that he did not care how old they were and many were child prostitutes Butler-Sloss said "It's not at all expensive. You pay 300 Kenyan shillings (£10) and they ask you for ten bob (30p) for the white man" He could not give a dam about exploiting poor black children.


Do they think the British public are compliant idiots. By appointing Butler-Sloss knowing her brother was also responisble for burying the Dickens Dossiers and the Elm Guest House investigation they are putting up two fingers to the British People. They are also giving insider elite paedophiles the big green light.

Worse May and Cameron are now implicated in the cover-up they claim to be exposing.

We must not allow this whitewash to happen we must fight these evil men and women who cover-up child abuse. If we do nothing then nothing will change! Bulter-sloss as head of our child abuse inquiry will betray the survivors and condem our children to continue to suffer rape and sexual abuse at the hands of the Establishment elite.

Please sign this petition
We demand members of the public are included on the Child Abuse investigation panel to ensure; "Complete confidence in the integrity of the investigation"



https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ ... onsors/new



The Tory government set up a judicial enquiry under Lord Justice (Elizabeth) Butler

Sloss. The enquiry sat for a year, heard evidence from parents, social services, police,


doctors, nurses and – without any apparent unease – from a champion of paedophile

rights, Ralph Underwager. It cost £5 million.

Appeal against conviction of last woman to be hanged trail judge Cecil Havers http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 112878.stm

Butler-Sloss is hated by fathers http://www.cornwallcommunitynews.co.uk/ ... te-my-dog/

Butler-Sloss and the prostitutes http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/17134.htm

Butler-Sloss church pedophile report inaccurate http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-14143721


http://books.google.com/books?id=RghXAAAAYAAJ&q=%22the+High+Court+is+in+recess+%E2%80%94+and%22&dq=%22the+High+Court+is+in+recess+%E2%80%94+and%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zXC8U5CUIsqVyAS93oEY&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA
The Weekly Review
Stellascope Limited, 1988

[Page 66]
A Matter of Judgement

For Mr. Justice Joseph Butler-Sloss of the High Court of Kenya, his meeting with a reporter of the British News of the World newspaper in July this year might have been just a meeting of strangers-turned-instant-friends but the aftermath of that meeting has turned out to be quite embarrassing to Butler-Sloss.

The reporter, Mr. John Lisners, who, according to Butler-Sloss, is a charming man in his early 30s made the judge's acquaintance by masquerading as a lawyer. Lisners wrote a front page story in the News headlined Cleveland Judge Sex Scandal in which he alleged that Butler-Sloss had admitted, in the course of a conversation in a Nairobi hotel, that he occasionally had sex with local prostitutes. Butler-Sloss, whose wife, Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss, is the only lady appeal judge in Britain and who also made international headlines when the British health minister appointed her to head an inquiry into the Cleveland child-abuse scandal, admitted having talked to Lisners light-heartedly at various places in Nairobi.

When the Standard newspaper approached Butler-Sloss concerning Lisner's story, he promptly denied the claims and said that he had already contacted his lawyers in London concerning the matter. The Standard also ran the story on page one. Butler-Sloss, who has been a High Court judge since 1984 termed the "a deliberate attempt to besmirch my wife" by those who were envious of her work. Lisners quoted Butler-Sloss as having told him, "it is not really the done thing for a judge to be seen in those places (night clubs), but I enjoyed myself quite often."

Soon after news of Lisner's article broke out locally, Butler-Sloss was sidelined from hearing cases and, later, the chief justice, Mr. Justice Cecil E. Miller, issued a brief statement cautioning judges in general to exercise care lest they became victims of vilification by unscrupulous persons.

Butler-Sloss has in the meantime proceeded on his routine annual leave — the High Court is in recess — and there were no indications as to what decisions he has in mind following the Lisner's allegations.

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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:56 am

semper occultus » Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:51 am wrote:
...there have been 2 or 3 stories on police investigations being aborted - including the one with the detective having a gun put to his head by a special branch thug


Not got much time, but just wanted to say that it was Chris Fay of NAYPIC (a social work and child welfare organization - originators of the Elm Guest House customer list) who says he had a gun put to his head by the Special Branch officer. I believe him.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/437954 ... on-officer

The story he tells of open and blatant Special Branch intimidation being doled out towards investigators, witnesses and victims - "they were a law unto themselves... they were acting like gangsters" - makes me think of the two scruffy guys seen in the off-license with Bulic Forsythe shortly before his death. One of them seemed very keen not to be caught on the store's CCTV. I don't think they were Special Branch undercover men - I think they were former victims, meeting with Bulic outside his workplace and working hours, to tell their story as he looked into the abuses in the Lambeth Council care home system. It seems they had good reason to be afraid, even paranoid of in-store cameras, considering what happened next.

Chris Fay is in a few of the videos on the Savile thread, speaking with Bill Maloney of Pie'n'Mash Films. I'm not a fan of Maloney, though I sympathize with his upbringing. But I see no reason at all to distrust what Chris Fay or NAYPIC have to say. They have been struggling to bring these crimes to light for a long, long time.

Loved your analysis of the competing media motivations, btw. The laggardliness of the Murdoch media is notable - though you could maybe say that Exaro is now the outlet for "what Murdoch knew."

Thanks to Byrne for the extra info on Hakluyt too.

Why are there US agents involved in Op Fernbridge? Hard to say. Why were there FBI agents here throughout the 1984 miner's strike?

Another big question is.... why are there so few British police officers involved in Ops Fernbridge, Fairbanks, etc.? Compared with the scale of the phone hacking inquiries, the teams that have been set up to look into paedophile politicians are miniscule.
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Re: P.I.E. and Magpie docs

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:06 am

The appointment of Butler-Sloss is a bloody insult and an absolute joke. Is there anyone outside of the current political establishment who thinks otherwise? Apart from Nigel Havers obviously.

Can't wait to see the full panel. The way things are going it'll be made up of David Aaronovitch, Richard Webster, and Lord Hutton, with Freddy Patel on standby to assess any forensic evidence.
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