Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby guruilla » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:44 pm

Bourgeoisie (Eng.: /bʊərʒwɑːˈziː/; French pronunciation: ​[buʁʒwazi]) is a word from the French language, used in the fields of political economy, political philosophy, sociology, and history, which originally denoted the wealthy stratum of the middle class that originated during the latter part of the Middle Ages (AD 500–1500).[1][2] The utilization and specific application of the word is from the realm of the social sciences. In sociology and in political science, the noun bourgeoisie and the adjective bourgeois are terms that describe a historical range of socio-economic classes. As such, in the Western world, since the late 18th century, the bourgeoisie describes a social class "characterized by their ownership of capital, and their related culture"; hence, the personal terms bourgeois (masculine) and bourgeoise (feminine) culturally identify the man or woman who is a member of the wealthiest social class of a given society, and their materialistic worldview (Weltanschauung)


bourgeoisie (ˌbʊəʒwɑːˈziː)
— n
1. the middle classes
2. (in Marxist thought) the ruling class of the two basic classes of capitalist society, consisting of capitalists, manufacturers, bankers, and other employers. The bourgeoisie owns the most important of the means of production, through which it exploits the working class

So some confusion - is it middle class or ruling class? I'd say the confusion stems from bourgeoisie referring to the portion of the middle class that is aspiring to become ruling class, social climbers (as my grandfather describes himself). The Connolly quote would seem to refer to the original and correct meaning of bourgeoisie, which apparently Marx, for whatever reason, altered, and which the bourgeoisie were happy to go along with, since naturally the climbers want to see themselves as aristocracy. But to the true aristocracy, they will always be middle class wanna-bes, useful idiots. My guess is that the bloodlines still prevail and that generally speaking the members of the middle classes that are allowed to attain to aristocratic status (join the oligarchy) are those that belong to "royal" bloodlines that fell on hard times, as may have been the case (looking into the history of my name) with my family. (Which means that Icke & co may be onto something with their Reptilian bloodlines?)
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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby American Dream » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:21 pm

I don't want to distract too much more from the important web of connections suggested by the original post, but I will briefly say that in the common parlance I am used to "middle class" connotes sectors of those working class that have more job skills, income, education, power and/or status than other sectors of the working class. They may own housing, professional practices or small businesses but they are distinct from the Coordinator Class (say CEO's of big corporations and other hotshot strategists, managers and consultants for Capital and/or the State), as well as the Owning Class itself (owners of the means of production).

The peoples in the Fabian/Theosophical/Quaker/Crowleyan circles mentioned previously sound more like what I would describe as hereditary aristocrats- by my definition an elite.




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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby guruilla » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:09 pm

Agreed. I remember at public (= private!) school, our teacher asked us to say which class we were in. The whole class raised their hand for middle class. I was the only one who self-identified as upper!
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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby guruilla » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:52 pm

In response to the OP, a friend emailed with this comment:

It reminded me there is a left among the ruling class which is very different from the left of the peasants and the plebs. One is a top-down left and the other a bottom-up left.

I don’t believe there is a left (or a right) among the ruling class, or rather, that there is ever an allegiance to one or the other, because both hands are equally useful. I think this is implicit in my findings, but I may need to spell it out more...

To illustrate, a sample of the psycho-historical perspective, from Lloyd de Mause talking about Germany in the 1920s:

Weimar culture may have produced “exuberant creativity and experimentation” but it also created “anxiety, fear and a rising sense of doom.” By the end of the 1920s, so many reactionary anti-democratic backlash parties had spontaneously sprung up that Weimar was called “a Republic without republicans.” People began to call for “emancipation from emancipation” and “a restoration of authoritarian rule.” If the Killer Parent alter deep in your unconscious hated you for your new independence, rather than lose her approval you fused with her and punished scapegoats who could be accused of being smelly shit-babies full of poisonous lice. What was needed was “a national enema,” a purging that would “cleanse” people of their independence as their mothers had used the purging enema to cleanse them as infants. http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/childh ... caust.html

The gist of this is that a period of social and sexual freedom allows for a release of “id” energy (unconscious material), which leads to a corresponding reaction from the controlling ego, i.e., even more severe social/sexual restrictions.

It’s easy to see how this principal could be consciously applied at the level of social engineering: if you want to bring about a higher level of totalitarian control, promote the opposite ideas, those pertaining to individual freedom, sexual liberation, self-expression, and drug use. This goes on both over generations (i.e., propagating a set of values to one generation creates an opposing reaction from the next) and at a smaller, short-term level, over periods of weeks, days, hours, and even minutes (a TV show promotes libertarian values then is interrupted by commercials that promote the reverse, and so on).

A very broad topical example of this would be how the promotion of individualistic, capitalist, consumer values over the second half of the last century has led to a supposed dead-end “environmental crisis” in which individualism is frowned upon and seen as “bad,” and must be curbed (via totalitarian laws) in order to save “the planet” (collective). It also goes the other way, as when the collective “countercultural” values of the 60s, promoting peace and harmony (and individualism!) led to the capitalist feeding frenzy of the 80s, many of the feeders being former hippies who “wised up.”

I am oversimplifying a bit, as I often do for the sake of (my own) clarity. Last night I even did a kids' drawing:

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A couple of qualifiers: I’m not suggesting that socialists and Judeo-Christians are the same people or groups (most socialists are atheists, capitalists often espouse Christian values) but that the values adopted by these groups and ideologies derive from the same value systems (Jesus was a Communist, etc.), often unbeknownst to the adherents.

The model of central ego, libidinal ego, and anti-libidinal ego comes from Ronald Fairbairn’s development of the object relations theory. I just discovered this model this week and haven’t read up on it, but since it seems to fit with my firsthand experience, I’m prepared to wing it. My cat gives a pretty clear illustration of how the libidinal ego and anti-libidinal ego work together: whenever he’s in the mood for affection (libidinal ego) he gets clingy and purry, experiences me as the exciting object; but at a certain point, he suddenly becomes violent and attacks me, now seeing me as the rejecting object and switching over into anti-libidinal ego. The movie Blue Velvet (my personal favorite in my 20s) also shows this triangle pretty well: Dorothy (Isabella Rossellini) is the exciting object that awakens Jeffrey’s (Kyle MacLachlan) libidinal ego; Frank (Dennis Hopper) is the rejecting object and the anti-libidinal ego made monstrous (“Baby wants to fuck!”). The movie shows how, just like with my cat, the one morphs inevitably and shockingly into the other.



Bringing it back to the socio-political realm, a fairly mundane but apropos example of how seemingly “leftist” agendas serve the same ends as the “right” would be the “New Labor” movement in Britain of the 1950s, which my grandfather and his MI5 allies, handlers, whatever, helped along:

The nationalizations created a cheap infrastructure to get Britain's economy moving again--largely for the benefit of private industry. It was all the old and bankrupt industries that were nationalized—the most unprofitable 20 percent of British industry. For workers, however, there seemed to be little change. A series of studies by the Acton Society undertaken between 1950 and 1952 showed there was a widespread feeling that public ownership had merely provided 'jobs for the boys' and the 'same old gang' in power again. . . . Thus nationalization signified no new beginning for Labor. It didn't mark a shift in the distribution of wealth in favor of the working class. Control remained essentially in the hands of many of the same capitalists who were then able to use the compensation they received from the government to invest in more profitable industries. Workers were accorded no greater say in decision making, and gained no economic benefit. Labor’s plan had nothing to do with socialism—it provided a state overview and assistance for the revival of British capitalism [Emphasis added]. http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk ... morgan.htm

As for the progressive schooling, Brazier’s and the many Fabian and Quaker-affiliated pagan schools that sprung up in Britain during the first part of the 20th century, with their links to Theosophy, Wicca, and Crowley-ism. In retrospect, it looks to me like they were sowing the seeds for the Dionysian eruption of the 1960s (which began in swinging London, around the Jagger-Cammell-Litvinoff-Krays-Process-Strieber nexus). The Woodcraft/Fabian schools (“a mixture of Freud and Red Indians”) promoted the “back to nature” ideal of the 60s that’s now pretty much de rigueur for any “progressive”-minded person in 2014.

One of the primary influences on this mini-movement was Edward Carpenter, an early Fabian G.B. Shaw called “a noble savage” and The Guardian called one of “the founding fathers of socialism.” Carpenter hung out at Millthorpe, a Derbyshire village not far from Sheffield and about 40 miles from Abbotsholme school, where he was visited by Shaw, Bertrand Russell, D.H. Lawrence, and Cecil Reddie (founder of Abbotsholme). He corresponded with Walt Whitman, Annie Besant, Isadora Duncan, Havelock Ellis, Roger Fry, Mahatma Gandhi, J. K. Kinney, Jack London, George Merrill (his lover), William Morris, and John Ruskin, and it looks like he knew Eric Gill too (they were both of what was called “the Bloomsbury set”) (Guardian: “Millthorpe emerged as a countercultural hub in the face of Victorian materialism, becoming an essential stopping-off point for all sorts of confused humanists. . . . Millthorpe was also renowned for its air of sexual liberation.”)

It seems like these Fabian sun/cock worshippers wanted to have their Pie and eat it, and even to get the two sides, left and right, to work together. They wanted to create the naked noble savage living in the wilderness, hunting and gathering and making love till the cows come home, and combine it with the urban dandy, dressed to the nines and master of ceremonies among the ruling class. There were two sides to their socially-engineered Übermensch.

Regarding those royal bloodlines that fell on hard times, maybe part of why they did is that they became lazy and spoiled, as rich kids tend to, and over time the kingdom slipped away? If so, how to address this problem? Send your kids to natural schools where they have to learn to live in nature and develop a “wild” edge? Turn them not into noble savages but savage nobleman?

It’s easy for me to see how this ties into Strieber et al.’s evolutionary management through stress: adversity breeds character, necessity is the mother of invention, etc., etc. These bohemian artistic communities-come-survival camps that mixed sexual freedom, self-expression, and back to nature primitivism (paganism) may have started by shoving the thinnest end of the wedge into the child-psyche (naked kids running around, etc.); but pretty soon the id monsters were running the show.

(From Jeffrey Kripal’s The Serpent’s Gift:)
Consider, for example, the one class of readers who have most deeply understood and appreciated my work on sexual trauma and mystical states: women and men who have themselves been sexually abused as children or young adults and later found themselves entering, often spontaneously, into extremely positive and healing altered states of consciousness. Such readers do not “accept” or "understand” what I am trying to communicate. They know. Their readings are based on excessive life events, on the most troublingly delightful movements of their own minds and bodies. And they are perfectly aware that very few people will ever understand them, that others cannot possibly “get it.” How could they? They have not been through the same life-altering experiences and had their consciousness and energies permanently shifted into other dimensions of knowing and being. One might as well try to explain an orgasm to a 5 year old.

Is it just me or is Kripal's implied meaning: why try and explain it when you can demonstrate it? Is he being devious or just naive, or a potentially lethal combination of the two?

From the Vegetarianism article I quoted in the OP:

During the twenties the influence of Freud on the progressive school movement—and indeed on progressivism generally—was marked, and Freudian theory was used to underpin the liberation of the child from adult repression and to justify the belief that the natural impulses should have free expression. In certain of the schools this produced a move towards a libertarian and anarchic ideal. The progressivism of the period, however, largely used Freud as a dissolvent of conservative social values, taking up the attack on traditional religion and upon patriarchal authority. It was, however, an essentially selective reading of Freud, one that passed over the darker Hobbesian aspects of his thought, focusing instead on its libertarian potential, which was then grafted on to an essentially non-Freudian model of-man and his destiny—one that derived from the older romantic tradition. [Emphasis added]

When the libidinal ego gets out of hand, there’s a corresponding reaction from the anti-libidinal ego, which like Frank Booth, comes knocking. The anti-libidinal ego isn't looking for love but revenge. As the darker impulses take over, over time, sexual abuse becomes part of the unofficial curriculum; and, if PIE ever has its way, officially too.

And of course, sexual abuse leads to trauma, and trauma, as Jeffrey Kripal and the Esalen (Fabian?) gang seem so keen to convince us, accelerates spiritual evolution!

Resulting in Über-infants like ....

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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby American Dream » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:11 pm

guruilla » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:52 pm wrote:In response to the OP, a friend emailed with this comment:

It reminded me there is a left among the ruling class which is very different from the left of the peasants and the plebs. One is a top-down left and the other a bottom-up left.


This made me think of the World Federalist Movement, liberal but essentially calling for more government: One World Government, to cite that favorite bugaboo of the rightists. Ranking CIA member Cord Meyer (husband of JFK/Leary associate, the mysteriously murdered Mary Pinchot Meyer) was famously involved.

Speaking of Leary, this is fairly well known:

As they scrambled to get out of Algiers in early 1971, Tim and Rosemary were aware of the gravity of their predicament. They had no legitimate travel papers and additional advance money for Leary's book on his prison escape (Diaries of a Hope Fiend) was not forthcoming. Whoever could help them at this point became an instant ally. A British woman employed as a stringer for Newsweek introduced the Learys to a well-educated Algerian bureaucrat named Ali, who made no bones about his association with the CIA. Ali promised to arrange exit visas for them. Rosemary wondered if they could trust such a man. "He's liberal CIA," Tim assured her, "and that's the best mafia you can deal with in the twentieth century."


Perhaps this Fabian/Theosophist/Crowleyan/Quaker circle is another such liberal ruling class connected circle.
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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby semper occultus » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:14 pm

……a few other tenuous thoughts / connections arising on reflection :


So that makes two directors of B of E my “socialist” granddad was pals with!)

ND became affiliated with Mackintosh (Quality Streets) and Terry’s chocolate companies.

Nick went on to widen Northern Foods' portfolio into Marks and Spencer cakes (through Park Cakes), Smith's Flour Milling, brewing (with the purchase of Hull Brewery), Fox's Biscuits, Pork Farms and many other smaller firms. It was during this period that the company pioneered the market in chilled, prepared meals and sandwiches in supermarkets.


…..there is a remarkable “mirror-image” to this corporate picture in the shape of the company United Biscuits & its long time head – the Scottish notable Sir Hector Laing …

....their most famous product were McVities biscuits but they also at one time owned Terry’s of York & also Ross Young who produced chilled foods & made M&S sandwiches ….almost sister-companies yet on opposing sides of the political divide…. Sir Hector Laing was also a director at the bank of England…

Doors rarely closed on Laing, chairman and later president of United Biscuits, former treasurer of the Conservative party, close friend of Margaret Thatcher, private pilot, wartime tank commander, long-serving director of the Bank of England and churchman.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/jul/12/lord-laing-of-dunphail-obituary


….former treasurer of the Conservative party, close friend of Margaret Thatcher….

Mrs. Alice Mahon (Halifax) : My hon. Friend will be aware that my right hon. Friend the Member for Derby, South (Mrs. Beckett) mentioned United Biscuits and the £1 million given to the Tory party in order to gain an honour for Sir Hector Laing.


….so a Tory money-man, involved in the murky world of political funding & ally of Thatcher……who does that remind one of….?

….hint : they have absolutely no connection whatsoever to certain unpleasant activities in Wales & anyone twittering anything to the contrary may well come to regret it….

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1993-06-22/Debate-4.html

"Over £67 million of expenditure was recorded by the Conservative Party in my fours years on the Committee, but no one had to account for a penny of it to the Conservative Board of Finance nor to any other elected body."

Conservative Members do not know the answers ; nor does anyone else.

Mr. Hoyle : I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. Perhaps only two people know where the funding came from. One is Lord McAlpine……..


Common Wealth was founded in July 1942, during World War II, by the alliance of two left wing groups, the 1941 Committee – a think tank brought together by Picture Post owner Edward G. Hulton ….and their “star” writers J.B. Priestley and Tom Wintringham


....I posted about Wintringham ..on another thread..….


…the Krays Scottish connections were very extensive….including trusted members of their gang like “Scotch Jack” Dickson and Ian Barrie

The Krays recruited a mixture of Scottish hardmen, London heavies and bent businessmen…

…quite a few bent policemen too ofcourse….

Glasgow hitmen were Kray's most trusted killers
HELEN COOK
The Mirror

THE evil Kray twins used Glasgow gangsters to carry out ruthless hits and got all their supplies of explosives from mob pals in the West of Scotland. Colin Fry, a descendant of Charles Dickens, details in a new book how twisted Ronnie and Reggie and brother Charlie used to recruit Glasgow hoods to carry out contract killings for them in London.



…some aspects this story reminds me somewhat of the Welsh aristocratic Morgan family – the “official” BBC version & ( who knows ) the version from the Icke forum

Tredegar House and the death of Gwyneth Morgan
Wednesday 24 February 2010

Newspapers, in Britain and America, leapt on the story. Wicked oriental opium dealers, they claimed, had lured this beautiful heiress into the Limehouse drug dens where she had been used, abused and then discarded.

We'll never really know what happened to Gwyneth Morgan. Quite probably she overdosed and whoever was running the opium den simply dumped her comatose body in the Thames. Newport historians Will Cross and Monty Dart have spent years investigating the disappearance.

"One of the saddest things about Gwyneth's death," says Will, "was the turquoise amulet found on her body. It had been given to her by her brother Evan and was held together by a piece of wire from a ginger beer bottle - this on one of the richest women in Britain. It must have meant a lot to her."

Drugs were not illegal in Britain until outlawed by the Defence of the Realm Act in 1917. Almost immediately an underground drugs network was created and Gwyneth, who came from a strange and dysfunctional family - her mother believed she was a bird and her brother Evan was a friend of the black magician Alistair Crowley - was almost a natural victim to that drugs scene. She now lies buried in Bassaleg churchyard, all but forgotten by the world.

"Lord Tredegar used his influence to get an open verdict at the inquest," says Paul Busby, biographer of Gwyneth's brother Evan. "Anything to avoid a verdict of suicide - that was unthinkable. And then he had her buried, quietly and anonymously, in London. It was only when Evan succeeded to the title - and to Tredegar House - that her body was disinterred and moved back to Wales."

Gwyneth Morgan was one of Wales' first victims - certainly the most high profile victim - of the drug culture. There were soon to be many more. We will never know what demons forced Gwyneth into the arms of the opium dealers but next time you drive past Tredegar House remember the tragedy of the young heiress who had so much to live for and died so needlessly.


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From the Icke forum :

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The book describes Acland supporting a proposition to recruit “people in the dance music world” to propagate build-a-better-world ideology


…the full quote is even weirder than that….

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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby guruilla » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:56 pm

semper occultus » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:14 pm wrote:…..there is a remarkable “mirror-image” to this corporate picture in the shape of the company United Biscuits & its long time head – the Scottish notable Sir Hector Laing …

....their most famous product were McVities biscuits but they also at one time owned Terry’s of York & also Ross Young who produced chilled foods & made M&S sandwiches ….almost sister-companies yet on opposing sides of the political divide…. Sir Hector Laing was also a director at the bank of England…

Doors rarely closed on Laing, chairman and later president of United Biscuits, former treasurer of the Conservative party, close friend of Margaret Thatcher, private pilot, wartime tank commander, long-serving director of the Bank of England and churchman.

Thanks for this. I didn't include M & S in the OP even though it's alliance with NF was key to both their success in the 1970s. Together they pioneered prepackaged sandwiches and meals. The official version (by my uncle-in-law Chris H., Tony Blair's former right-hand-man) is that he, CH, ran into an M & S exec by chance on a plane and that led to the alliance. What is it with random plane meetings (also, my father & Jimmy Savile)? Well if you want a meeting to seem totally random, if you can't give the actual context coz it's secret, what's a more random setting than an airport/plane? Anyway, the thing with M & S is that during those years, the chairman was always one Sieff or another, and the Sieffs were also moonlighting as "honorary VPs" of The British Zionist Federation, which has been around since 1899, its aim being to create a permanent home for the Jews (and I guess after the National Socialists lent a hand with that, to get rid of those annoying Palestinians that thought it was their home?). The M & S chairman at the time of the NF/MS alliance was Joseph Zieff, who "survived an assassination attempt by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine" the year after he retired as chairman!

All this by the by, corporate espionage business as usual. But still, I have to wonder what was a Zionist spy doing running a famous clothing (and now food) store chain in the UK? And is it clue-ing me into the idea that chairmen of national corporations might have, I dunno, other hobbies....?


Another name for the usual suspect list, thanks. He also went to Oxford during that key period, late teens, early twenties.

As did this fellow John Strachey, who keeps popping up, with links to Oxford, Boothby (whom he probably met there), Wintringham, Keynes, Snowden, Oswald Mosley, Gollancz, Laski (LSE), Acland, Driberg (etc., etc., the gang's all here).

Harold Laski (another Oxford man) is an interesting lead to me because he taught the Nigerian nationalist H.O. Davies at the LSE. Davies left Nigeria for the UK in the same year my grandfather left the UK to Nigeria. Spooks in the night?

Need to go for a walk now. Will pick this up later.
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Postby semper occultus » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:07 pm

…….I did wonder if the corp. issue was O/T but the more you think about it M&S having the power to award supply-contracts that could certainly make-or-break some companies & in any event be a great source of profit would impart some…”leverage”..... that could be employed for variety of purposes & in the service of a variety of causes …..


....got some interesting juice out of this….

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…..including the following intriguing details….

Order of Chaeronea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Chaeronea

……is this really a proto-PIE sub-rosa organisation….including in its membership the famous occultist Montague Summers…….with membership over-lapping with a radical “front” group for sexual reform : British Society for the Study of Sex Psychology


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amongst the output of the BSSP was Summer’s musing on de Sade & an interesting pamphlet on The Sexual Life of the Child….

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also interesting to note that the similarly radical British version of the Gay Liberation Front also was inaugurated at……. the LSE

In the United Kingdom the GLF had its first meeting in the basement of the London School of Economics on 13 October 1970. Bob Mellors and Aubrey Walter had seen the effect of the GLF in the United States and created a parallel movement based on revolutionary politics and alternative lifestyle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Liberation_Front


....after all that scanning I wouldn’t mind posting some of the above to the Icke Savile thread as deep background …....not linking back to here at all…?


..…Weeks briefly mentions this publication The New Age which might be a lead :

Alfred Richard Orage (22 January 1873 – 6 November 1934) was a British intellectual, now best known for editing the magazine The New Age. While working as a schoolteacher in Leeds, he pursued various interests, including Plato, the Independent Labour Party, and theosophy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Richard_Orage
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Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:19 pm

semper occultus » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:14 am wrote:……a few other tenuous thoughts / connections arising on reflection :

The book describes Acland supporting a proposition to recruit “people in the dance music world” to propagate build-a-better-world ideology


…the full quote is even weirder than that….

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:lol: brb off to make banging industrial techno track with that as a sample

more seriously it's threads like these that keep me reading RI :thumbsup
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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby American Dream » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:42 pm

Havelock Ellis was well known for early mescaline experiments. How many others on this thread, and what might that suggest?

Also, this is all not so different from what I think the LaRouche organization purports- although they add on lots of excess baggage...
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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby guruilla » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:51 pm

semper occultus » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:07 pm wrote:
In the United Kingdom the GLF had its first meeting in the basement of the London School of Economics on 13 October 1970.

Plutonia was looking for a photo of that first meeting but couldn't find anything.

semper occultus » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:07 pm wrote:..…Weeks briefly mentions this publication The New Age which might be a lead :

Alfred Richard Orage (22 January 1873 – 6 November 1934) was a British intellectual, now best known for editing the magazine The New Age. While working as a schoolteacher in Leeds, he pursued various interests, including Plato, the Independent Labour Party, and theosophy.


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I am obviously juggling too many balls, coz I came upon the name Ian Mikardo this morning and now I can't remember in connection to what! But he was a Labor MP, a pal of Driberg, and Harold Laski, and a lifelong Zionist, so I am sure he will pop again.

And then there's this:

On Harold Laski’s death (1893-1950),[34] the Labour MP Ian Mikardo said: “His mission in life was to translate the religion of the universal brotherhood of man into the language of political economy.”


And this, on BSSSP member Cecil Jones:

After obtaining his medical degrees Jones specialised in neurology and took a number of posts in London Hospitals. It was through his association with the surgeon Wilfred Trotter that Jones first heard of Freud’s work. Having worked together as surgeons at University College Hospital they had become close friends, with Trotter taking the role of mentor and confidant to his younger colleague. They had in common a wide-ranging interest in philosophy and literature, as well as a growing interest in Continental psychiatric literature and the new forms of clinical therapy it surveyed. By 1905 they were sharing accommodation above Harley Street consulting rooms with Jones’s sister, Elizabeth (later to become Trotter’s wife), installed as housekeeper. Jones, appalled at what he had seen of the institutionalised treatment of the mentally ill, began experimenting with hypnotic techniques in his clinical work. . . . Jones’s early attempts to combine his interest in Freud's ideas with his clinical work with children proved to have seriously negative consequences for his career. In 1906 he was arrested and charged with two counts of indecent assault on two adolescent girls he had interviewed in his capacity as an inspector of schools for "mentally defective" children. At the court hearing Jones maintained his innocence, claiming the girl’s were fantasising. The magistrate took the view that there was no prospect of any jury believing the testimony of such children and Jones was acquitted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Jones


And Ives:
By 1897, Ives created and founded the Order of Chaeronea . . . The same year, Ives visited Edward Carpenter at Millthorpe. . . . [And for the pop culture junkies among us, Ives] was the model for Raffles, the fictional Victorian gentleman thief [though] the creator of Raffles, William Hornung, "may not have understood this sexual side of Ives' character", but that Raffles "enjoys a remarkably intimate relationship with his sidekick Bunny Manders."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cecil_Ives


Ives' bibliography:

Verses:
Book of Chains (1897)
Eros' Throne (1900)

Non-fiction:
Penal Methods in the Middle Ages (1910)
The Treatment of Crime (1912)
A History of Penal Methods: Criminals, Witches, Lunatics (1914)
The Sexes, Structure, & "Extra-organic" Habits of certain Animals (1918)
The Continued Extension of the Criminal Law (1922)
English Prisons Today (1922) (Prefaced by G.B. Shaw)
Graeco-Roman View of Youth (1926)
Obstacles to Human Progress (1939)
The Plight of the Adolescent
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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby guruilla » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:20 pm

and then Orage:

Alfred Richard Orage (22 January 1873 – 6 November 1934) was a British intellectual, now best known for editing the magazine The New Age. While working as a schoolteacher in Leeds, he pursued various interests, including Plato, the Independent Labour Party, and theosophy. In 1900 Orage met Holbrook Jackson and three years later they co-founded the Leeds Arts Club, which became a centre of modernist culture in pre-World War I Britain. In 1905, Orage resigned his teaching position and moved to London. ... In 1924 Orage sold The New Age and went to France to work with George Gurdjieff . . .

Kenneth Walker, co-founder of PIE-connected Albany Trust, wrote a book about Gurdjieff. And of course Strieber studied the Gurjieffian Fourth Way during the period between London '68 and his Communion experience.

In 1927 his first wife, Jean, granted him a divorce and in September he married Jessie Richards Dwight (1901–1985), the co-owner of the Sunwise Turn bookshop where Orage first lectured on the Gurdjieff System. Orage and Jessie had two children, a boy and a girl: Richard and Ann. While in New York, Orage and Jessie often catered to celebrities such as Paul Robeson fresh from his London Tour.

Robeson was a friend of my grandfather. :zomg

He became a schoolteacher in a Leeds Board elementary school at the age of twenty one and helped to found the Leeds branch of the Independent Labour Party in 1894, writing a weekly literary column for the Labour Leader, from 1895 to 1897. He brought a philosophical outlook to the paper, including in particular the thought of Plato and Edward Carpenter.

I swear we're going to hear "clunk-clink" any moment now then, now then, now then.....
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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby KUAN » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:33 pm

An interest in Wilhelm Reich and ‘cosmic energy’ lead me to contact Theodore Faithfull, whom I read about in the London underground paper, IT. He invited me to stay with him for some weeks, (months?) and undergo orgone therapy.
He was a nice old man living with his wife in Edgbaston, Birmingham. Late '60's

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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby American Dream » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:42 pm

guruilla » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:20 pm wrote:
While in New York, Orage and Jessie often catered to celebrities such as Paul Robeson fresh from his London Tour.

Robeson was a friend of my grandfather. :zomg


Paul Robeson's son thought his farther was a victim of a Cold War drugging with LSD or a similar substance at a party inside a Moscow hotel room. After Robeson suffered a psychotic break, he was taken to London where he was put under the "care" of a powerful spychiatrist: William Sargant, I think.

And of course Gurdjieff- not unlike Crowley- was alleged to contract his services out to various secret services...
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Re: Occult Yorkshire: Family Secrets & Fabian Schools

Postby guruilla » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:29 pm

This just in courtesy of Plutonia:

Dawkins writes sympathetically about paedophiles in The God Delusion - saying that he had been molested by teachers at all three of his boarding schools and describing it as “an embarrassing but otherwise harmless experience”

He goes on to say that raising children in the wrong ideology is worse - much worse! than sexual abuse. Among other things - see attached screenshot.

googlebooks link.

Wiki:
Dawkins attended Oundle School in Northamptonshire, an English public school with a distinct Church of England flavour, from 1954 to 1959, where he was in Laundimer house. He studied zoology at Balliol College, Oxford, graduating in 1962; while there, he was tutored by Nobel Prize-winning ethologist Nikolaas Tinbergen. He continued as a research student under Tinbergen's supervision, receiving his MA and DPhil degrees by 1966, and remained a research assistant for another year.Tinbergen was a pioneer in the study of animal behaviour, particularly in the areas of instinct, learning and choice


Alumni include Julian and Aldous Huxley, David Astor, Tom Wintringham among others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B ... ege_people

Intersections 'tween Balliol and Fabian Soc:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Balliol+Co ... society%22
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Dawkins is pals with Laskin's New School alumni and LSE prof Nick Humphrey. IOW, one of the gang.
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