Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

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Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:18 pm

Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

BRENDAN JAMES – APRIL 18, 2014, 10:43 AM EDT226194
A new study from Princeton spells bad news for American democracy—namely, that it no longer exists.

Asking "[w]ho really rules?" researchers Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page argue that over the past few decades America's political system has slowly transformed from a democracy into an oligarchy, where wealthy elites wield most power.

Using data drawn from over 1,800 different policy initiatives from 1981 to 2002, the two conclude that rich, well-connected individuals on the political scene now steer the direction of the country, regardless of or even against the will of the majority of voters.

"The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy," they write, "while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."

As one illustration, Gilens and Page compare the political preferences of Americans at the 50th income percentile to preferences of Americans at the 90th percentile as well as major lobbying or business groups. They find that the government—whether Republican or Democratic—more often follows the preferences of the latter group rather than the first.

The researches note that this is not a new development caused by, say, recent Supreme Court decisions allowing more money in politics, such as Citizens United or this month's ruling on McCutcheon v. FEC. As the data stretching back to the 1980s suggests, this has been a long term trend, and is therefore harder for most people to perceive, let alone reverse.

"Ordinary citizens," they write, "might often be observed to 'win' (that is, to get their preferred policy outcomes) even if they had no independent effect whatsoever on policy making, if elites (with whom they often agree) actually prevail."
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Re: Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

Postby justdrew » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:19 pm

well, those same elites have intentionally so polarized the electorate that AS A DEMOCRACY it's inherently non-functional. and then there's the inherent bullshit, like that north dakota gets as many senators as california for instance.
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Re: Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

Postby Grizzly » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:54 pm

https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gile ... 3-7-14.pdf

Anyone else getting an untrusted connection error? When going to the source?
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Re: Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

Postby justdrew » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:37 pm

get rid of the s in https

they're using an ssl cert that's expired... I suspect it's just a small bit included that isn't secure via ssl actually. but I can't be bothered to further troubleshoot princeton's web server. Most likely they laid off staff that maintained such things so they could afford gold plate the dean's toilet.

http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf
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Re: Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:55 pm

It's true! Princeton skimps on paying for web presence, I've noticed in other contexts.

The "actual" and "no longer" parts are subject to the usual thinking persons' debate: like when was it? I'd say, notwithstanding slavery, women and the franchise, but looking only at the form of the system by which the acknowledged enfranchised citizens govern themselves, it was most democratic and genuinely representative in the north during the last part of the colonial period before the Federalists got their constitution (which, as they said themselves, was meant to limit democracy and hold down the big mob of commoners). National mythologies have astonishing power - it's the only bromide I can think of to explain why anyone thinks the 1787 constitution was anything other than the roll-back of democracy and establishment of an oligarchy, in practice and intent.
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Re: Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:27 pm

A dollarocracy, for sure it is.
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