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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby jakell » Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:53 pm

coffin_dodger » Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:14 pm wrote:Why is anti-semetism on the rise, Jakell?

And why are the corrupt, scheming, manipulative, fascist governments we reside under keen to quell it?


I'm not sure if it is. This was position I took on one of AD's threads where the unquestioned assumption was that it definitiely is, I'll try to look that thread up. One of the reasons that find it difficult to determine is the ratio of shrill emoting that surrounds the concept, it's hard to get any usable data that way and come to reliable conclusions. I would avoid this matter by not worrying too much about whether it is increasing or decreasing, but concentrate simply on it's existence.

It is possible that those who tend to regularly fall back on the idea of organised Jewish maleficence (White Nationalists mainly), are becoming more cogent , particularly those who I described earlier as...

jakell » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:04 am wrote:[...relative to their shallower colleagues, are better read, better writers, better communicators and possessing of a degree of self control and patience...


This, coupled with a decline in the inability of the left to visibly counteract their views (that's if they ever were able) with an equally compelling narrative helps them too. As far as I can see, the only myth the Left has been able to draw on is that of 'Progress', and that is starting to look a bit tatty nowadays.
( I'm resting on the assumption that what really drives people is not rationality, but myth and narrative, regardless of how high minded we like to think we are)
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Jerky » Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:40 pm

The more intellectual side of the far right...

counter-currents.com
amren.com
The previously mentioned Kevin MacDonald and his Culture of Critique series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cultur ... que_series

There are more. They are growing. They are a clear and present danger. I don't know if there is any way this ends up okay for most of us.

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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby jakell » Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:03 am

Jerky » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:40 am wrote:The more intellectual side of the far right...

counter-currents.com
amren.com
The previously mentioned Kevin MacDonald and his Culture of Critique series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cultur ... que_series

There are more. They are growing. They are a clear and present danger. I don't know if there is any way this ends up okay for most of us.

J


I'm not too sure if they are 'growing' in the sense that most people usually understand it. Certainly they seem to have a more consistent set of ideas and also seem less heated and therefore harder to dismiss as a flash in the pan.

One advantage that these guys have is that, unlike the Left, they don't feel a need to be more egalitarian about their intellectualism.. it's sort of recognised that an elite is part of the natural order of things, ie things don't get spread too thinly and therefore attenuated. Naturally, this 'elite' are a bit more keen on this concept , but the less thoughtful types seem to recognise it as the way of things too (strong men, strong leaders, strong intellectuals etc) and seem content to mostly parrot what they've heard from above, nowadays with the added impact of Youtube style videos.

I would add the British based 'Majority Rights' to the above list, it has been a particular focus of mine because of it's locality and I've also had several online conversations with the owner elsewhere.
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:11 am

Just call them out on it. I was trying to find some post I made on metafilter on 9/11. Got bored with searching for it but I found my still "functioning" about me page. It's just Kurt Vonnegut.

Here's the thing: For a few days after Germany surrendered, on May 7th, 1945, having been directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of maybe forty million people, there was a pocket of anarchy south of Dresden, near the Czech border, which had yet to be occupied and policed by troops of the Soviet Union. I was in it, and have described it some in my novel Bluebeard. Thousands of prisoners of war like myself had been turned loose there, along with death camp survivors with tattooed arms, and lunatics and convicted felons and Gypsies, and who knows what else.

Get this: There were also German troops there, still armed but humbled, and looking for anybody but the Soviet Union to surrender to. My particular war buddy Bernard V. O'Hare and I talked to some of them. O'Hare, having become a lawyer for both the prosecution and the defense later in life, is up in Heaven now. Back then, though, we could both hear the Germans saying that America would now have to do what they had been doing, which was to fight the godless Communists.

We replied we didn't think so. We expected the USSR to try and become more like the USA, with freedom of speech and religion, and fair trials and honestly elected officials, and so on. We, in turn, would try to do what they claimed to be doing, which was to distribute goods and services and opportunities more fairly: "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." That sort of thing.

Occam's Razor.


And then O'Hare and I, not much more than kids actually, went into an undefended barn there in the springtime countryside. We wanted something to eat, anything to eat. But we found a wounded and obviously dying captain of the notoriously heartless Nazi Schutzstaffel, the SS, in a hay mow instead. He might easily, until very recently, have been in charge of tormenting and planning the extinction of some of the death camp survivors not far away.

Like all members of the SS, and like all death camp survivors as well, this captain presumably had a serial number tattooed on his arm. Want to talk about postwar irony? There was a lot of that.

He asked O'Hare and me to go away. He would soon be dead, and said he looked forward to being such. As we prepared to depart, not feeling much about him one way or the other, he cleared his throat, singaling that he had something to say after all. This was the last-words business again. If he had any, who but us could hear them?

"I have just wasted the past ten years of my life," he said.

You want to talk about a timequake?

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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby guruilla » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:40 pm

Patriotic Germans In Rural Areas Embrace Adolf Hitler
2015-11-12 0:23
By Lee R | infostormer.com

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The Express has written a piece about patriotic Germans in rural areas who are embracing Adolf Hitler. The writer is obviously not pleased about this phenomenon as evidenced by the biased tone in his article. He basically claims that these people are part of some cult and promoting some type of backward ideology.

If preserving your culture and race is a backward ideology as this writer claims, it is odd that he doesn’t write very many anti-Jewish and anti-Israel articles. After all, Jews seem to be the only racial group who are allowed to do this without criticism.

The fact of the matter is that Jewish Marxism is the real backward ideology. It promotes a world view that is entirely against the natural order of things. National Socialism is the antithesis to this as it promotes a world view that embraces the natural order of things. This is something we need to return towards regardless of what that political philosophy is labeled as.

A blurb from the propaganda piece is pasted below. Note the tone.

From Express:

The group, calling themselves “nationalist settlers”, are ultra-right Hitler worshippers but they have traded skinhead boots for clogs and traditional materials and work as organic farmers, midwives and craftsmen.

Despite appearing bonkers however their rise is being taken very seriously.

A human rights watchdog group funded by the German interior ministry produced a study called ‘Nationalist Settlers in Rural Areas’.

Researchers concluded they believe wholeheartedly in the whole Nazi racist superman claptrap and are worming their way into local positions of power as councillors, volunteer firemen, teachers and festival organisers.

Anne Schmidt, author of the study for the Amadeu Antonio Foundation said: “This is a very scary movement to observe. These extremely nationalist right wing people are settling specifically in little-populated areas, far away from cities to live and raise their children in a backward ideology.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34717
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Jerky » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:59 am

Hey, Jakell...

Still doubt that they're "growing"?

Just curious;
YOPJ

jakell » 07 Jun 2015 10:03 wrote:
Jerky » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:40 am wrote:The more intellectual side of the far right...

counter-currents.com
amren.com
The previously mentioned Kevin MacDonald and his Culture of Critique series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cultur ... que_series

There are more. They are growing. They are a clear and present danger. I don't know if there is any way this ends up okay for most of us.

J


I'm not too sure if they are 'growing' in the sense that most people usually understand it. Certainly they seem to have a more consistent set of ideas and also seem less heated and therefore harder to dismiss as a flash in the pan.

One advantage that these guys have is that, unlike the Left, they don't feel a need to be more egalitarian about their intellectualism.. it's sort of recognised that an elite is part of the natural order of things, ie things don't get spread too thinly and therefore attenuated. Naturally, this 'elite' are a bit more keen on this concept , but the less thoughtful types seem to recognise it as the way of things too (strong men, strong leaders, strong intellectuals etc) and seem content to mostly parrot what they've heard from above, nowadays with the added impact of Youtube style videos.

I would add the British based 'Majority Rights' to the above list, it has been a particular focus of mine because of it's locality and I've also had several online conversations with the owner elsewhere.
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby jakell » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:44 am

I'd love to have a proper conversation on these things, and certainly am doing so elsewhere, there's been plenty going on lately and changes are afoot.

Trouble is, your creepy moderator (and I do find him creepy) is known for repeatedly ambushing outsiders like me and effectively interrupting any flow of ideas and structured arguments one has taken the trouble to construct.
No-one with any dignity would subject themselves to that, it's abusive. I'll be staying in observer mode, this forum is more pleasant when viewed from a distance IMO.
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Jerky » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:00 am

Really?!

Jeez. I've never known Wombat to "intrude" on discussions in a moderator capacity before. The two times I've been banned for a week or two, it's been entirely due to my breaking the rules about personal insults.

I take it you claim you've been unfairly treated by Wombat? Where do you discuss such topics now, if not here? I'd be interested in seeing what other groups have to say about these things.

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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:17 pm

jakell » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:44 am wrote: Trouble is, your creepy moderator (and I do find him creepy) is known for repeatedly ambushing outsiders like me and effectively interrupting any flow of ideas and structured arguments one has taken the trouble to construct.

No-one with any dignity would subject themselves to that, it's abusive. I'll be staying in observer mode, this forum is more pleasant when viewed from a distance IMO.


Your courage under private message fire is exemplary and the Culture Wars will not forget your name, solider.

Edit: Looks like I mixed you up with backtoiam, another "gosh I'm just sharing links why are you guys questioning my motives" fellow traveller.

I just got done a manual scrolling search of my sent and received PM's through January 2013 - didn't see your name once.

So how and when did I ambush this guy? I probably showed up at his house. I'll apologize if I ever remember doing it.
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:26 pm

Jerky » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:00 am wrote:Really?!

Jeez. I've never known Wombat to "intrude" on discussions in a moderator capacity before.


Oh, I've definitely sent people PMs to warn about their behavior, many times before. It's plausible.
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:31 pm

jakell » 30 Nov 2016 23:44 wrote:I'd love to have a proper conversation on these things, and certainly am doing so elsewhere, there's been plenty going on lately and changes are afoot.

Trouble is, your creepy moderator (and I do find him creepy) is known for repeatedly ambushing outsiders like me and effectively interrupting any flow of ideas and structured arguments one has taken the trouble to construct.
No-one with any dignity would subject themselves to that, it's abusive. I'll be staying in observer mode, this forum is more pleasant when viewed from a distance IMO.


You mentioned "Majority Rights" - that is the site run by the cunt who calls people like me "muds" isn't it.
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:11 am

Wait, so there is literally people here who didn't realize Red Ice was a full on neo Nazi network several years ago?
I refuse to believe people are that naive. Seriously?
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Jerky » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:47 am

Check the dates on the comments 8bit. This is a pretty old thread, which I kicked back because I was interested in jakell's earlier reaction to my claim that the "intellectual" wing of the hard right was gaining in influence and prominence - a fact that I believe is pretty much undeniable at this point. He said he didn't want to discuss it here because, I guess, we're "incapable" of discussing such subjects rationally (i.e. most of us refuse to lick jackboots or treat fascism as though it were akin to, say, mainstream political party affiliation, or self-proclaimed "liberalism" or "conservatism"). Anyway, most of us know Red Ice turned a long time ago, but the fact remains (and the point, at least on my end, is) that it wasn't ALWAYS that way. Furthermore, its "turn" came around the same time a lot of other "conspiracy" or "woo" related sites also went full fascist. This, I think, is an intriguing subject, worthy of deeper study and further inquiry.

One thing I'd like to do is make a list of the heaviest hitters among those sites - like Red Ice - that weren't fascist... until suddenly they were. Alex Jones' operations certainly fit the bill. Icke started shifting from Reptilians to "Rothschild Khazar Mafia Zionism" (dogwhistle overload) around the same time, too.

Can anybody else name others? If y'all come up with a list, I promise to do the Wayback Machine digging to trace the origins and timing of their fascist turn, after which we might be able to link it to some wider cultural shift (altho it certainly happened well after 9/11, IIRC, too far after 9/11 to blame it entirely on that catalyst).

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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:00 am

Wombaticus Rex » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:17 pm wrote:
jakell » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:44 am wrote: Trouble is, your creepy moderator (and I do find him creepy) is known for repeatedly ambushing outsiders like me and effectively interrupting any flow of ideas and structured arguments one has taken the trouble to construct.

No-one with any dignity would subject themselves to that, it's abusive. I'll be staying in observer mode, this forum is more pleasant when viewed from a distance IMO.


Your courage under private message fire is exemplary and the Culture Wars will not forget your name, solider.

Edit: Looks like I mixed you up with backtoiam, another "gosh I'm just sharing links why are you guys questioning my motives" fellow traveller.

I just got done a manual scrolling search of my sent and received PM's through January 2013 - didn't see your name once.

So how and when did I ambush this guy? I probably showed up at his house. I'll apologize if I ever remember doing it.


IIRC you have only done three month-long suspensions: AD, JR (both of which involved a firehose of molecular acid at yours truly)... and jakell.
It appeared (to me) you suspended him for waffling in a British manner you didn't like and Brit understatedness. As I had already had a satire I wrote firepitted without comment, I thought at the time raising the jakell's suspension would get me suspended or banhammered.
Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:07 am wrote:
jakell » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:41 am wrote:
82_28 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:49 pm wrote:Can someone please explain where AD's posts threaten anyone?...


As a possibly more impartial observer, and one who was not and never will be part of the RI 'club'. my take on this might be of interest.


There is no club. You've been recycling content too much. I respect your linguistic judo; but I'm just fucking sick of seeing you type this same script over and over again, man. Take a month off. Come back like you belong here, or don't come back.
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Re: Red Ice Radio

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:05 am

Oh - and Red Ice Radio is now utter shit.
I would rather sit through the execrable Laci Green than it.
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