coffin_dodger » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:19 pm wrote:For example, do ideologues create ideologies or does the ideology create the ideologues?
Are you serious? Crikey, I think you are.
Last I heard, ideas were a purely human purview.
Perhaps you could explain how an idea comes to be formed, by any method other than that of a human being
thinking it.
It's a big topic; there's lot of psychological and philosophical work done on how our attitudes, beliefs, etc, come after our behaviors as post-rationalizations disguised as conscious motivations.
Ideas can come through human beings and take form via thinking, but their original source is not in the individual but the unconscious of the group. Think
Matrix.
Don't ideologies seem to always entail a form of dehumanization? The point as regards Red Ice - the current ideology includes blaming certain elements of society for the world's problems, scapegoating, in other words; yet this is the very thing those elements are being blamed for doing, so there's a psychopathic drive to eliminate all psychopaths, duh. It's mimetic violence, and the ideologies that spring up to justify and fuel that engine of destruction are probably less causal factors than afterthoughts to make it
seem like a rational "policy."
At a "psyops" level, feed an audience cult like Red Ice enough fear & rage-inducing (mis)information, and then supply them with the ideologies to DO something about that heavy emotional burden, and you could feasibly create a "movement."
Who is behind it would seem to be ultimately unknowable, hence not relevant. We might be able to identify the disseminators, but how will we know for sure they aren't just useful idiots?
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.