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[American Dream]

Also, Jeff Rense:

From New Age to Nazi

April 27, 2015

The fringe conspiracy theory market seems to have evolved over the years. It's not all about suffering and space aliens at Rense.com these days. All last week, for example, while many Americans were celebrating Earth Day, Jeff Rense and company were celebrating Hitler's birthday.


There was even a cake.

Transitioning from aliens and alternative health to advocating anti-Semitism and monetizing hate, Rense.com seems to have gone almost "full Nazi" in 2015.

Many of America's most notorious professional racists and anti-Semites now call the network home. Some of the more prominent, including David Duke and Stormfront's Don Black, have their own talk shows on the Rense Radio Network and about a half dozen more, lesser-known, hate mongers and anti-Semites run banner ads or are regularly featured guests on the various programs offered.

The transformation has not exactly been subtle. A word search of the front page of Rense.com on April 23, 2015, provided eight results for the word "alien," 11 references to "health" and 16 uses of the word "cancer."

By comparison, "Hitler" was mentioned 21 times. And always in a good way.

Contrast these themes with Rense back in the day. A site grab of Rense.com for Feb. 29, 2000 from Archive.org shows nine references to the word "UFO," six hits for "chemtrail" and not a single mention of "Hitler."

Anyway, most of us know Red Ice turned a long time ago, but the fact remains (and the point, at least on my end, is) that it wasn't ALWAYS that way. Furthermore, its "turn" came around the same time a lot of other "conspiracy" or "woo" related sites also went full fascist. This, I think, is an intriguing subject, worthy of deeper study and further inquiry.

One thing I'd like to do is make a list of the heaviest hitters among those sites - like Red Ice - that weren't fascist... until suddenly they were. Alex Jones' operations certainly fit the bill. Icke started shifting from Reptilians to "Rothschild Khazar Mafia Zionism" (dogwhistle overload) around the same time, too.

Can anybody else name others? If y'all come up with a list, I promise to do the Wayback Machine digging to trace the origins and timing of their fascist turn, after which we might be able to link it to some wider cultural shift (altho it certainly happened well after 9/11, IIRC, too far after 9/11 to blame it entirely on that catalyst).

J.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I stopped posting here because of jakell's racist bullshit.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I stopped posting here because of jakell's racist bullshit.

...and hate speech like that is why that poor dear doesn't feel safe here any more. For shame, Joe.

[Joe Hillshoist]

[Heaven Swan]

Check the dates on the comments 8bit. This is a pretty old thread, which I kicked back because I was interested in jakell's earlier reaction to my claim that the "intellectual" wing of the hard right was gaining in influence and prominence - a fact that I believe is pretty much undeniable at this point. He said he didn't want to discuss it here because, I guess, we're "incapable" of discussing such subjects rationally (i.e. most of us refuse to lick jackboots or treat fascism as though it were akin to, say, mainstream political party affiliation, or self-proclaimed "liberalism" or "conservatism"). Anyway, most of us know Red Ice turned a long time ago, but the fact remains (and the point, at least on my end, is) that it wasn't ALWAYS that way. Furthermore, its "turn" came around the same time a lot of other "conspiracy" or "woo" related sites also went full fascist. This, I think, is an intriguing subject, worthy of deeper study and further inquiry.

One thing I'd like to do is make a list of the heaviest hitters among those sites - like Red Ice - that weren't fascist... until suddenly they were. Alex Jones' operations certainly fit the bill. Icke started shifting from Reptilians to "Rothschild Khazar Mafia Zionism" (dogwhistle overload) around the same time, too.

Can anybody else name others? If y'all come up with a list, I promise to do the Wayback Machine digging to trace the origins and timing of their fascist turn, after which we might be able to link it to some wider cultural shift (altho it certainly happened well after 9/11, IIRC, too far after 9/11 to blame it entirely on that catalyst).

J.

Now this would be an interesting research topic.

I am getting so sick of hearing about Pizzagate. And not just here. Every wacked out person I've every known seems to be into PG and contacting me since they know I've been interested in related topics. I'm tired of the smearing of the good name and positive associations with pizza. Pizza is the most popular food on earth. You can find pizza outlets in the most remote villages in Nepal and worldwide. It's sickening what's being done to pizza. And what they're trying to research is not the kind of thing that can be researched through internet searches, but the 'turning' of these sites is.

Anyway, I've never read Red Ice but I did read David Icke back in the day. What I'm wondering is if these people always had (fascistic leanings) in 'em but were keeping them under wraps then felt emboldened, or else had been planning all along to hook the new age and conspiracy crowd then lead them towards the right.

One thing I've heard from survivors is that a lot of the New Age was concieved in deep state think tanks and that many of the authors and gurus were CIA connected and pushed to the forefront by them in order to confuse people and lead them into individualistic dead ends (while making big profits off of them).

Global Research is another site which seems to have gotten awfully hateful lately.

[PufPuf93]

quote Heaven Swan »

One thing I've heard from survivors is that a lot of the New Age was concieved in deep state think tanks and that many of the authors and gurus were CIA connected and pushed to the forefront by them in order to confuse people and lead them into individualistic dead ends (while making big profits off of them).



Some say A Course in Miracles was a CIA mind control project.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I added Red Ice Radio to my Anomaly Radio network lineup of shows back in August/September 2007 and I've definitely noticed this drift.

That's a long arc to the "Greatest Story Never Told" Dennis Silver snowjob on Papa Fuhrer in 2014, which was when it got obvious to me.

I've never been built for podcast / video content, not my learning modality, just irritates the shit out of me, so I never noticed this until people were talking about in print.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

[I'm tired of the smearing of the good name and positive associations with pizza. Pizza is the most popular food on earth. You can find pizza outlets in the most remote villages in Nepal and worldwide. It's sickening what's being done to pizza.

This is really hilarious to me, but I'm not sure if that was the intention. Are... are you serious?

[Heaven Swan]

[I'm tired of the smearing of the good name and positive associations with pizza. Pizza is the most popular food on earth. You can find pizza outlets in the most remote villages in Nepal and worldwide. It's sickening what's being done to pizza.

This is really hilarious to me, but I'm not sure if that was the intention. Are... are you serious?

Yes, I was joking...but it is true that I can't help but think about PG and do feel a little sick to my stomach when I eat pizza or pasta these days.

And re that skit from the children's TV show that's posted in the other the PG thread for example, I don't think it's fair to the child actors to conflate them with child porn all over the internet on the basis of absurd conjecture.

If any of these 'investigators" (ha, ha) really cared about the victims, they would do or assist in a real investigation where evidence is sought and analysed before going wild with speculation on the internet. They would especially avoid being caught up in a contentious election moment where their 'investigation' is clearly embraced and seen by most as a partisan mudslinging fest where the child victims (if there are any) are trampled underfoot and shamelessly used as political pawns.

Another thing that I have heard time and time again from survivors is that the perpetrators behind these mind control/ pedo networks have made a decision to defend themselves by discrediting and marginalizing victims and (legit) investigators as opposed to knocking them off (which would lead to police investigations and the potential uncovering of damaging evidence against the perps)..

Pizzagate to me appears to be a discrediting extravaganza, an internet blitz carried out by marginal right-leaning message board freaks therefore requiring little or no outlay of cash or resources by the pedos themselves. I'm sure the perps are high-fiving up a storm and celebrating their strategic genius and tremendous good fortune right now...

[Cordelia]

"Heaven Swan » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:06 am

One thing I've heard from survivors is that a lot of the New Age was concieved in deep state think tanks and that many of the authors and gurus were CIA connected and pushed to the forefront by them in order to confuse people and lead them into individualistic dead ends (while making big profits off of them).



Yep; for sure.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Yes, I was joking...but it is true that I can't help but think about PG and do feel a little sick to my stomach when I eat pizza or pasta these days.

Glad to hear that, and yeah, I'm with you.

If any of these 'investigators" (ha, ha) really cared about the victims, they would do or assist in a real investigation where evidence is sought and analysed before going wild with speculation on the internet. They would especially avoid being caught up in a contentious election moment where their 'investigation' is clearly embraced and seen by most as a partisan mudslinging fest where the child victims (if there are any) are trampled underfoot and shamelessly used as political pawns.

Can you go to voat.co/v/pizzagate and show me some concrete examples of where this bolded part has occurred? How much time have you actually spent there, compared to how much time you've spent dismissing all these claims because some of the people involved also happened to support a presidential candidate you opposed?

You dismiss the 'investigators' for being amateurs, but what would a proper (in your mind) crowd-sourced, internet-based investigation look like, when it is investigating one of the deepest and darkest held secrets of the ruling state? Are you seriously suggesting we look to the DOJ/FBI for a 'real' investigation? And I say this even though, as it happens, I believe the FBI is deep in the midst of this investigation, have been for a long time, & that it may have even been their doing to seed the internet with these clues to let the 'amateurs' take over in the first place so that their own investigation can remain private.

Pizzagate to me appears to be a discrediting extravaganza, an internet blitz carried out by marginal right-leaning message board freaks therefore requiring little or no outlay of cash or resources by the pedos themselves. I'm sure the perps are high-fiving up a storm and celebrating their strategic genius and tremendous good fortune right now...

To me it appears that the only ones discrediting this internet blitz are people like you, who ironically do so on specious political grounds (smearing those involved as 'right-wing'), rather than any kind of thoughtful engagement with the evidence at hand, however circumstantial it may be.

x-posting this at the What's Happening? thread

[Heaven Swan]

Yes, I was joking...but it is true that I can't help but think about PG and do feel a little sick to my stomach when I eat pizza or pasta these days.

Glad to hear that, and yeah, I'm with you.

If any of these 'investigators" (ha, ha) really cared about the victims, they would do or assist in a real investigation where evidence is sought and analysed before going wild with speculation on the internet. They would especially avoid being caught up in a contentious election moment where their 'investigation' is clearly embraced and seen by most as a partisan mudslinging fest where the child victims (if there are any) are trampled underfoot and shamelessly used as political pawns.

Can you go to voat.co/v/pizzagate and show me some concrete examples of where this bolded part has occurred?

What I'm talking about is the timing and the fact that they're only investigating democrats. An investigation that people could take seriously would be one that takes a step back and looks at both Republicans and Democrats.
Have you read "Confessions of a DC Madam" ? The Madam reports as an eyewitness who was involved in providing male prostitutes for high level Washington parties.

The fact that Pizzagate is aimed at Podesta and Hillary in the aftermath of a brutal election that brought such an openly woman-hating candidate to power makes Pizzagate look like extremely biased overkill.

How much time have you actually spent there, compared to how much time you've spent dismissing all these claims because some of the people involved also happened to support a presidential candidate you opposed?

Very little. But I did just go over to take a look. I saw all the posts about the shooter and a video of a sad-looking grown up Macaulay Culkin eating pizza. The fact that he was eating pizza proves nothing and just makes the 'investigation' look silly.

I happen to believe that Culkin very well may have been abused based on documents found by the police in Michael Jacksons Neverland after his death, but the video has no facts or commentary attached just him eating pizza???

You dismiss the 'investigators' for being amateurs, but what would a proper (in your mind) crowd-sourced, internet-based investigation look like, when it is investigating one of the deepest and darkest held secrets of the ruling state?

If you are truly concerned about the victims and the ritualistic practices of ruling elites why don't you do some real investigation and analysis. There are established methods that can be effective. Then write up your findings and publish them in a coherent and responsible way. I'm sure everyone on RI will support you. The Pizzagate style of partisan internet free for all IMO is doing much more harm than good.

Are you seriously suggesting we look to the DOJ/FBI for a 'real' investigation? And I say this even though, as it happens, I believe the FBI is deep in the midst of this investigation, have been for a long time, & that it may have even been their doing to seed the internet with these clues to let the 'amateurs' take over in the first place so that their own investigation can remain private.

I think you're very naive to think that the FBI is investigating this. They have been engaged in cover-ups. Please refer to Gary Caradori's plane crash in the Franklin Cover-Up for one example. Photographic evidence from one of the photographers who took the blackmail photos of the politicians having sex w/children, etc, was strewn all over the crash site. The FBI came in and cordoned off the site then made the evidence disappear.

Pizzagate to me appears to be a discrediting extravaganza, an internet blitz carried out by marginal right-leaning message board freaks therefore requiring little or no outlay of cash or resources by the pedos themselves. I'm sure the perps are high-fiving up a storm and celebrating their strategic genius and tremendous good fortune right now...

To me it appears that the only ones discrediting this internet blitz are people like you, who ironically do so on specious political grounds (smearing those involved as 'right-wing'), rather than any kind of thoughtful engagement with the evidence at hand, however circumstantial it may be.

x-posting this at the What's Happening? thread[/quote]

[elfismiles]

How Sweden Became “The Most Alt-Right” Country In Europe
Alt-right activist Richard Spencer is building a global media company with partners from Sweden, a country with an alt-right of its own that’s helped transform national politics.

Posted on May 3, 2017, at 6:27 a.m.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/ho ... iu57XWn3NW

[semper occultus]

we might be able to link it to some wider cultural shift (altho it certainly happened well after 9/11, IIRC, too far after 9/11 to blame it entirely on that catalyst).

I added Red Ice Radio to my Anomaly Radio network lineup of shows back in August/September 2007 and I've definitely noticed this drift.

That's a long arc to the "Greatest Story Never Told" Dennis Silver snowjob on Papa Fuhrer in 2014, which was when it got obvious to me.

...2008 financial crisis...

I've never been built for podcast / video content, not my learning modality, just irritates the shit out of me, so I never noticed this until people were talking about in print.

...I'm incapable of kicking back and soaking in an inadvisedley hot tub without a podcast accompaniment

[cptmarginal]

How Sweden Became “The Most Alt-Right” Country In Europe
Alt-right activist Richard Spencer is building a global media company with partners from Sweden, a country with an alt-right of its own that’s helped transform national politics.

Posted on May 3, 2017, at 6:27 a.m.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/ho ... iu57XWn3NW

Posting this here because it fits. What's going on with the ISGP guy lately? (I'm well aware that he is not from Sweden, by the way.)

I just was looking at the latest updates to his site and had to check twice that it wasn't Red Ice. Easily predictable, sadly; I've seen some stupid remarks here and there in his other articles. What bothers me is that he should know that these are contentious opinions; why not just keep it to yourself? I guess maybe that's why the adorable page on Race and IQ isn't linked to out front.

$150 Billion in Foundation Funds Attacking Trump and Pushing Third World Immigration; Soros, Ford, Carnegie, Gates, Rockefeller, Etc. By: Joel v.d. Reijden | Date: February 22, 2017 | Updated: May 14, 2017

Fact is, nobody in Europe likes Muslim or black immigrants as a group (not individually), certainly not those who have been in contact with these groups.