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tapitsbo » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:14 pm wrote:I read my way through those parts of some of his books and was impressed by them. I get the impression that there's still a lot of groups on the record, just in the history of the last century for instance, that aren't widely acknowledged but aren't secret. I'm thinking for example of a lot of the organizations discussed on this board for instance that are like bridges between the official establishment and secret, off-the record stuff (things like BCCI for sure count but there's also the whole layer of for instance occult groups which operate as open secrets, being open about the fact that they're hiding things, which I guess applies to the government as well). I think I'm looking for a good term for this layer.
Deep state definitely makes sense for things like Gladio, what would you call groups the various "military orders" for example that are open about existing but are rarely focused on in mainstream accounts of history?
Ben D » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:20 pm wrote:Non interpreted reality, ie. actual reality, is always on the other side of the multitudes of conceptual perceptions and interpretations that people think, imagine, write, or read of. Until the individual understands this, they will generally be under the mistaken belief that mental interpretation of historical reality somehow is the same thing as actual historical reality. This is zen stuff for sure...but unless one understands the tool that is being used to realize truth...ie. the mind...any mental processing of the apparent external reality will produce error proportionate to the lack of 'self' understanding.
The elusive truth everyone would like to know can't be realized by a mind that processes perception in a dualistic manner, ie. perceiver and perceived, thinker and that thought..for the mental separation of what is in fact one reality introduces biases of time, place, family, race, culture, etc., due to mental conditioning. However when the mind is quiescent and free from thought, there is perception without a perceiver, seeing without a seer, hearing without a hearer.
Still, few there are who are prepared to do the hard work to discipline their mind, and hence we have a babylonian situation whereby most everyone is clamoring to have their own view heard over the cacophany of other interpretations. In the meantime, reality is still always reality...glorious beyond understanding for those who respect absolute truth.
alan ford » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:54 pm wrote:I agree that reality of sitting and enjoying the sun, for example, is glorious and doesn't need to be spoiled by analyzing what is sun and similar , however for the "understanding" of the things discussed here let's say Deep State I prefer to hear other voices and visions of reality. For the simple reason as you mentioned my vision is limited with bias of my family, race etc etc. therefore I'll benefit to see other visions , that way have more understanding than my bias allows. Wouldn't call it cacophony myself, perhaps jamming. Besides in this particular case of Deep State I would hope that reality of it can be changed so it disappears completely , regardless if its reality was perceived correctly ( unfortunately sort of pesimistic here , I'm afraid it's built so deeply in the patterns of any state that will take long time to extinguish it ) ,
Ben D » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:20 pm wrote:Non interpreted reality, ie. actual reality, is always on the other side of the multitudes of conceptual perceptions and interpretations that people think, imagine, write, or read of. Until the individual understands this, they will generally be under the mistaken belief that mental interpretation of historical reality somehow is the same thing as actual historical reality. This is zen stuff for sure...but unless one understands the tool that is being used to realize truth...ie. the mind...any mental processing of the apparent external reality will produce error proportionate to the lack of 'self' understanding.
The elusive truth everyone would like to know can't be realized by a mind that processes perception in a dualistic manner, ie. perceiver and perceived, thinker and that thought..for the mental separation of what is in fact one reality introduces biases of time, place, family, race, culture, etc., due to mental conditioning. However when the mind is quiescent and free from thought, there is perception without a perceiver, seeing without a seer, hearing without a hearer.
Still, few there are who are prepared to do the hard work to discipline their mind, and hence we have a babylonian situation whereby most everyone is clamoring to have their own view heard over the cacophany of other interpretations. In the meantime, reality is still always reality...glorious beyond understanding for those who respect absolute truth.
Wombaticus Rex wrote:The downside of online discussion forums is the inability to physically slap someone, which is my usual response to such "everything is everything" annihilation of perspective coming from a primate who will be defecating in the next few hours.
From the top of the pyramid, there is no pyramid. It's a simple fact, but often lost on those of us watching from below, taking notes on the power structure and sifting through clues every day. The view from the cockpit is very different from what the rest of the plane sees. As Bill Moyers said of David Rockefeller: "What some critics see as a vast international conspiracy, he considers a circumstance of life, and just another days work."
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