Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby NeonLX » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:12 pm

82_28 » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:31 am wrote:... Furthermore, I cannot think of one thing that I consider right wing that has ever been acceptable. Why must they always fuck with innocence yet be the "pro-lifers"?

Battling propaganda since 1974. Fuck you motherfuckers who kill one another and then make up a story. You are destroying innocent souls. That should be enough if you actually gave a motherfucking shit.


The irony of labeling themselves as "pro life" completely escapes them.

If you believe in souls, you've got to think that these evil MFs have souls that are dark. Maybe that's where all of the dark matter in the universe is hidden...in the souls of these evil SOBs.
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:37 pm

Freedom Flotilla Coalition

The international Freedom Flotilla Coalition (with participation from England, France, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, USA, Canada and Australia) condemns the ongoing Israeli military assault on Palestinian civilians in Gaza, denounces the failure of the international community to stop the assault, and renews its opposition to the Israeli economic blockade on Palestinians in Gaza as well as the collaboration of other governments.

We note that the demand to lift the blockade is a central feature of talks on ending the violence, and urge governments who reject the blockade to use their influence now to ensure that an agreement that ends the violence, also ends the destructive blockade.

We hereby announce that we are planning another flotilla in the near future, to challenge the blockade of Gaza , with participants from around the world. We announce our intention to sail back from Gaza carrying Palestinian exports, continuing the work of Gaza’s Ark.

We are a peaceful civil society initiative, acting out of solidarity with the Palestinian people, independently from any government. Contrary to recent media reports, we have not asked for military escort, have no intention to, and will not sail with a military escort.

The Mavi Marmara – the lead ship in the 2010 Freedom Flotilla, which bore the brunt of the Israeli naval assault and on which nine Turkish citizens and a U.S. citizen were killed by Israel – will soon be ready to join the flotilla with hundreds of peace activists from all around the world on board.

More news on our plans will be available in a few weeks. We urge our supporters around the world to stay alert for updates and to ready themselves to join and escalate our campaign to bring down the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

Freedom Flotilla Coalition:
European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza
International Committee for Breaking the Siege on Gaza (ICBSG)


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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:21 pm

Today in fascism:

30 July 2014 Last updated at 15:55 GMT

Gaza conflict: 'Israeli market strike kills 15'

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28571785


NB - not the same attack:

30 July 2014 Last updated at 15:24 GMT
Gaza conflict: UN accuses Israel over Jabaliya attack

Israel attacked a UN-run school housing refugees in Gaza despite warnings that civilians were there, the UN has said.

UN spokesman Chris Gunness said "the world stands disgraced" by the attack, in which 15 died and dozens were hurt.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28558433


This is policy. This is deliberate mass murder.
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:22 am

Today in fascism:

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IDF Sniper Admits On Instagram To Murdering 13 Gaza Children

July 31, 2014 1:56 am

An Instagram post by an Israel Defense Forces sniper boasts of murdering 13 Gazan children in one day. An IDF Combat Engineering Corps Soldier, specifically, David D. Ovadia posed with a Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifle.

Ovadia posted his comments on the Instagram account of Palestinian Sherrii ElKaderi

[...]

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/i ... -children/


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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:41 am

MacCruiskeen » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:22 am wrote:Today in fascism:

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IDF Sniper Admits On Instagram To Murdering 13 Gaza Children

July 31, 2014 1:56 am

An Instagram post by an Israel Defense Forces sniper boasts of murdering 13 Gazan children in one day. An IDF Combat Engineering Corps Soldier, specifically, David D. Ovadia posed with a Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifle.

Ovadia posted his comments on the Instagram account of Palestinian Sherrii ElKaderi

[...]

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/i ... -children/


...live-blogged, tweeted and televised, while we watch.


Oh GOD, you have got to be fucking kidding. So basically where did all this training in hate come from from his younger years? There is nothing we can realistically do to stop this. They're putting us on while they murder people. Maybe we should breed some deer and set them loose in Isreeel so they can go game hunting instead,

Sorry, deer. I wonder if deer have to deal with propaganda? This is pure fucking genocide with the Internet watching.

Again, fuck you to all of you fascists, no matter who the fuck you are, what your beliefs or what the fuck ever. Fuck you and go away and do something else.
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:47 am

Today in fascism:

As atrocities mount in Gaza, US approves Israeli request for more bombs

by Rania Khalek

Hours after Israel shelled yet another UN school sheltering internally displaced families and a marketplace in Gaza, killing dozens of people, an unnamed defense department official revealed to CNN that the US had approved an Israeli request to tap into the one billion dollar weapons stockpile the US keeps in Israel.

The last time Israel dipped into the special stockpile was in 2006, during its assault on Lebanon.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ran ... more-bombs


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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle ... za-n164006

From NBC:
No Shelter: UN School Hit by Israeli Fire in Gaza (Gallery)

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1 A Palestinian man cries over the body of his son who died when a United Nations school for refugees was hit by an Israeli tank shell in the Kamal Adwan hospital in Beit Lahiya, Gaza Strip, on July 24. At least 15 Palestinians were killed, among them seven children, and some 200 injured when an U.N.-operated school north of Gaza City was struck by Israeli tank shells, the Gaza Health Ministry said. Witnesses, who were in the school run by the United Nations for Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA), said Israeli tanks fired four shells at the school.

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2 Relatives of Palestinians killed in an Israeli shelling at a U.N.-run school mourn outside a hospital morgue in the northern Gaza Strip.

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3 A Palestinian man comforts his son after they lost a relative in the attack on the U.N. school in the Gaza Strip.

[...]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle ... za-n164006


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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:34 pm

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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:04 pm

Today in fascism:

Israeli polls show overwhelming support for Gaza campaign

Consensus has been shaped in part by media which largely focus on Israeli casualties and play down Palestinian deaths

Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem

theguardian.com, Thursday 31 July 2014 17.03 BST

Public support among Israeli Jews for the military campaign in Gaza has been overwhelming throughout its 24-day duration, with a recent opinion poll showing 95% of respondents believed the war was justified.

A survey conducted by the Israel Democracy Institute and Tel Aviv University on three separate occasions between 14 and 23 July, and published this week, found that only 3-4% agreed with a statement that the Israel Defence Forces had used excessive firepower in the conflict.

The findings were echoed in a separate poll, also published this week, in which 86% of Israeli Jews said they supported the war. Fewer than 10% agreed that it was time to stop, and 86.5% said military action should not cease until Hamas's rockets and tunnels had been dealt with and Hamas had surrendered.

Support is not universal, however. There have been anti-war rallies in most major cities, but they have attracted small numbers and have come under physical and verbal attack from rightwing activists. ...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... aign-media


Senate backs Israel’s goals in Gaza conflict

July 30, 2014 2:49pm


WASHINGTON (JTA) – The U.S. Senate unanimously supported Israel’s goals in its conflict with Hamas in the Gaza Strip, a posture that distances the body from President Obama’s call for an immediate and unconditional cease-fire.

In a rare joint action, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), the majority leader, and Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the minority leader, initiated the resolution passed Tuesday evening by unanimous consent. ...

Read more: http://www.jta.org/2014/07/30/news-opin ... z3948Nlfzf


Unity.
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:38 pm

Unanimously passed, eh?
And there some were of you virulent EBOLA-hate filled anti-Semites thinking AIPAC and JINSA were heading off into the sunset.
I think these pictures are a demonstration of how *deeply* caring the Israelis are - they are committed to peace and though Hamas are using human shields within all the hospitals, the brave soldiers of the IDF are determined to liberate the Palestinians from these terrorists. Mark my words, they will thank us for this. The average Palestinian should be grateful.
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:40 pm

I don't know who they are more afraid of the NRA or AIPAC..
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:49 pm

seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:40 pm wrote:I don't know who they are more afraid of the NRA or AIPAC..


AIPAC vs NRA?

AIPAC by a first round knockout,
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:00 pm

Searcher08 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:38 pm wrote:Unanimously passed, eh?
And there some were of you virulent EBOLA-hate filled anti-Semites thinking AIPAC and JINSA were heading off into the sunset.
I think these pictures are a demonstration of how *deeply* caring the Israelis are - they are committed to peace and though Hamas are using human shields within all the hospitals, the brave soldiers of the IDF are determined to liberate the Palestinians from these terrorists. Mark my words, they will thank us for this. The average Palestinian should be grateful.



Ha. Well let's call it for what it is: The Arab nations also hate Palestine and see them as the n word of the region. They can't outright support Israel, but most of them(Saudi Arabia, etc) do support Israel.
All the Palestinians have is a few of us liberal peaceniks, some good anchors on CNN and the UN.
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:04 pm

8bitagent » Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:00 pm wrote:
Searcher08 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:38 pm wrote:Unanimously passed, eh?
And there some were of you virulent EBOLA-hate filled anti-Semites thinking AIPAC and JINSA were heading off into the sunset.
I think these pictures are a demonstration of how *deeply* caring the Israelis are - they are committed to peace and though Hamas are using human shields within all the hospitals, the brave soldiers of the IDF are determined to liberate the Palestinians from these terrorists. Mark my words, they will thank us for this. The average Palestinian should be grateful.



Ha. Well let's call it for what it is: The Arab nations also hate Palestine and see them as the n word of the region. They can't outright support Israel, but most of them(Saudi Arabia, etc) do support Israel.
All the Palestinians have is a few of us liberal peaceniks, some good anchors on CNN and the UN.



and a whole lot of the Irish
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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:31 am

From 2007:

MacCruiskeen » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:26 pm wrote:
One conviction that's grown on me this year: If there is hope, it lies in Latin America.


Today:

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Re: Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:45 am

The Guardian wrote:
Brian Eno condemns Israeli action in Gaza as 'ethnic cleansing'

The producer took to David Byrne's website to write an open letter, characterising Israel's military action against Palestine as a 'colonialist war' by a 'ragingly racist theocracy'

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theguardian.com, Thursday 31 July 2014 13.01 BST

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/j ... -cleansing



—Editorial—

Gaza and the Loss of Civilization

by Brian Eno in Guest Posts | July 28, 2014

http://davidbyrne.com/gaza-and-the-loss-of-civilization

Ed note: I received this email last Friday morning from my friend, Brian Eno. I shared it with my office and we all felt a great responsibility to publish Brian's heavy, worthy note. In response, Brian's friend, Peter Schwartz, replied with an eye-opening historical explanation of how we got here. What's clear is that no one has the moral high ground.

Dear All of You:

I sense I'm breaking an unspoken rule with this letter, but I can't keep quiet any more.

Today I saw a picture of a weeping Palestinian man holding a plastic carrier bag of meat. It was his son. He'd been shredded (the hospital's word) by an Israeli missile attack - apparently using their fab new weapon, flechette bombs. You probably know what those are - hundreds of small steel darts packed around explosive which tear the flesh off humans. The boy was Mohammed Khalaf al-Nawasra. He was 4 years old.

I suddenly found myself thinking that it could have been one of my kids in that bag, and that thought upset me more than anything has for a long time.

Then I read that the UN had said that Israel might be guilty of war crimes in Gaza, and they wanted to launch a commission into that. America won't sign up to it.

What is going on in America? I know from my own experience how slanted your news is, and how little you get to hear about the other side of this story. But - for Christ's sake! - it's not that hard to find out. Why does America continue its blind support of this one-sided exercise in ethnic cleansing? WHY? I just don't get it. I really hate to think its just the power of AIPAC… for if that's the case, then your government really is fundamentally corrupt. No, I don't think that's the reason… but I have no idea what it could be.

The America I know and like is compassionate, broadminded, creative, eclectic, tolerant and generous. You, my close American friends, symbolise those things for me. But which America is backing this horrible one-sided colonialist war? I can't work it out: I know you're not the only people like you, so how come all those voices aren't heard or registered? How come it isn't your spirit that most of the world now thinks of when it hears the word 'America'? How bad does it look when the one country which more than any other grounds its identity in notions of Liberty and Democracy then goes and puts its money exactly where its mouth isn't and supports a ragingly racist theocracy?

I was in Israel last year with Mary. Her sister works for UNWRA in Jerusalem. Showing us round were a Palestinian - Shadi, who is her sister's husband and a professional guide - and Oren Jacobovitch, an Israeli Jew, an ex-major from the IDF who left the service under a cloud for refusing to beat up Palestinians. Between the two of them we got to see some harrowing things - Palestinian houses hemmed in by wire mesh and boards to prevent settlers throwing shit and piss and used sanitary towels at the inhabitants; Palestinian kids on their way to school being beaten by Israeli kids with baseball bats to parental applause and laughter; a whole village evicted and living in caves while three settler families moved onto their land; an Israeli settlement on top of a hill diverting its sewage directly down onto Palestinian farmland below; The Wall; the checkpoints… and all the endless daily humiliations. I kept thinking, "Do Americans really condone this? Do they really think this is OK? Or do they just not know about it?".

As for the Peace Process: Israel wants the Process but not the Peace. While 'the process' is going on the settlers continue grabbing land and building their settlements… and then when the Palestinians finally erupt with their pathetic fireworks they get hammered and shredded with state-of-the-art missiles and depleted uranium shells because Israel 'has a right to defend itself' ( whereas Palestine clearly doesn't). And the settler militias are always happy to lend a fist or rip up someone's olive grove while the army looks the other way. By the way, most of them are not ethnic Israelis - they're 'right of return' Jews from Russia and Ukraine and Moravia and South Africa and Brooklyn who came to Israel recently with the notion that they had an inviolable (God-given!) right to the land, and that 'Arab' equates with 'vermin' - straightforward old-school racism delivered with the same arrogant, shameless swagger that the good ole boys of Louisiana used to affect. That is the culture our taxes are defending. It's like sending money to the Klan.

But beyond this, what really troubles me is the bigger picture. Like it or not, in the eyes of most of the world, America represents 'The West'. So it is The West that is seen as supporting this war, despite all our high-handed talk about morality and democracy. I fear that all the civilisational achievements of The Enlightenment and Western Culture are being discredited - to the great glee of the mad Mullahs - by this flagrant hypocrisy. The war has no moral justification that I can see - but it doesn't even have any pragmatic value either. It doesn't make Kissingerian 'Realpolitik' sense; it just makes us look bad.

I'm sorry to burden you all with this. I know you're busy and in varying degrees allergic to politics, but this is beyond politics. It's us squandering the civilisational capital that we've built over generations. None of the questions in this letter are rhetorical: I really don't get it and I wish that I did.

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