Vaccine - Autism link

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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby whipstitch » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:08 am

DrEvil » June 30th, 2015, 3:13 pm wrote:I for one applaud the new law in California. Vaccines blah, blah blah.


Educate yourself. You are seriously misinformed. Here's one vaccine fuckup that may very well be a reason people we both know have died of cancer in the preceding decades - they were injected with live SV-40 in polio vaccines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV40
SV40 is a DNA virus that has the potential to cause tumors, but most often persists as a latent infection. SV-40 discovery revealed that between 1955 and 1963 around 90% of children and 60% of adults in USA were inoculated with SV40-contaminated polio vaccines.

Of course this would never happen today, right? And the parties involved would come clean immediately if they found out what happened, right? Who has blood on whose hands?
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:54 am

Again, the vaccine argument is stupid. It does not stop ANYTHING from spreading. It stops YOU from getting it if it indeed works. And they do! But the anti-anti-vaxers are dumb. Anyone could be vaccinated against anything, but won't stop you from being a carrier. That is where the problem lies in the argument.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby alwyn » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:24 am

82_28 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:54 pm wrote:Again, the vaccine argument is stupid. It does not stop ANYTHING from spreading. It stops YOU from getting it if it indeed works. And they do! But the anti-anti-vaxers are dumb. Anyone could be vaccinated against anything, but won't stop you from being a carrier. That is where the problem lies in the argument.



So anti-vaxxers are dumb? And yet you lack proper syntax in your 'argument'. Your level of erudition is underwhelming.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:54 am

No. The argument is dumb. Either for or against which is actually neither, getting vaccinated against anything does not make you a non-carrier. It only protects YOU from getting sick not spreading whatever it is. Compulsory vaccinations are basically bullshit because of this simple fact. You can vaccinate your entire enjoyable life away but IT DOES NOT STOP the disease itself.

Look. I've said it before in this thread but this is what I was told by my childhood doctors who I went to many times into my mid 20s. They distinctly told me that vaccines do nothing as far as the SPREAD of anything. Does this make me an anti-vaxer? Absolutely not. But as with anything, nothing should be made mandatory. :thumbsup

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I was vaccinated for "proper syntax" at an early age. Um, so. I don't quite see where there was anything improper in that comment after reading it over.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:17 pm

Right and because of that, Polio is still everywhere.

Not.

Vaccines can be good. But they can be fucked up, too. The vaccine for human Papiloma virus has seriously destroyed the health of many young women and girls.

And the trouble with MANDATORY vaccinations is not so much what they want to vaccinate us with presently but in the FUTURE. We're supposed to trust our government with sticking us with needles and unknown compounds in those needles, especially now with the rise of seriously creepy and insidious advances in nanotechnology??? Remember the last flu scare when the "vaccines" given to so many people had to be administered through thicker, wider needles? Why was that? Why did they need thicker wider needles for just another dead-virus vaccine? What were they really injecting, especially when it became apparent that the whole flu hysteria was manufactured, a hoax??

Fuck this shit. We should be able to pick and choose our vaccinations, and be able to opt out of any new ones.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby whipstitch » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:45 pm

It is so scary how many people are willing to give the government full direct access to their bloodstream - no questions asked.

"Please politicians and mega drug corporations, inject me with whatever you think is best and make it mandatory for all."
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby 82_28 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:08 pm

Again, because of vaccines in infanthood gave me very grave fevers in which I was hospitalized for weeks as the story goes -- As I don't remember, too young. My evidence based doctors, not no homeopaths or some shit, told me that the vaccines for me led to the fevers and the fevers led to my super rad OCD that has dogged me my entire life. My opinion doesn't mean shit, but vaccines can be harmful and thus not mandatory in my view lacking any modicum of syntax.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby identity » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:08 pm

by whipstitch » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:08 am
DrEvil » June 30th, 2015, 3:13 pm wrote:
I for one applaud the new law in California. Vaccines blah, blah blah.


Educate yourself. You are seriously misinformed.



Here to help!

http://vaksini.eu/Dissolving__Illusions.html
http://vaksinite.info/The%20Virus%20and%20the%20Vaccine.html
http://vaksini.eu/VACCeptable_Injuries.html
http://download.vaksinite.info/What%20If%20Everything%20You%20Thought%20You%20Knew%20about%20AIDS%20was%20wrong.htm
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:08 pm

We can't pass a law to save water from our fracking companies. We can't pass a law to feed our homeless! how is it that a law for forced vaccination, (if you want your constitutional right to an education), passed with unprecedented swiftness in the face of a non epidemic in which NO ONE DIED!


Because almost everyone is vaccinated! :wallhead:

Again, the vaccine argument is stupid. It does not stop ANYTHING from spreading. It stops YOU from getting it if it indeed works. And they do! But the anti-anti-vaxers are dumb. Anyone could be vaccinated against anything, but won't stop you from being a carrier. That is where the problem lies in the argument.


Two words: Herd immunity. It only works if everyone is vaccinated (95% or more of the population).
You being vaccinated prevents you from infecting anyone who for whatever reason (bad immune system, chemo-therapy etc.) isn't.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:35 pm

identity » Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:08 am wrote:
by whipstitch » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:08 am
DrEvil » June 30th, 2015, 3:13 pm wrote:
I for one applaud the new law in California. Vaccines blah, blah blah.


Educate yourself. You are seriously misinformed.



Here to help!

http://vaksini.eu/Dissolving__Illusions.html
http://vaksinite.info/The%20Virus%20and%20the%20Vaccine.html
http://vaksini.eu/VACCeptable_Injuries.html
http://download.vaksinite.info/What%20If%20Everything%20You%20Thought%20You%20Knew%20about%20AIDS%20was%20wrong.htm


I looked up Suzanne Humphries MD, author of the first link, and stopped right there. Here's a quote:

Vaccines are dangerous and should never be injected into anyone for any reason. They are not the answer to infectious diseases. There are many more sustainable and benevolent solutions than vaccines.


By "more sustainable and benevolent" she is of course talking about homeopathy (she's a homeopath too).

Here's some more info:

Why Dr Suzanne Humphries, an anti-vaccine activist, is lying to you about measles
https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why- ... 446d0a7e0f

And then I couldn't help myself and looked at the other links too. It didn't get any better.
Not sure who's misinformed here.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:31 pm

82_28 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:08 pm wrote:Again, because of vaccines in infanthood gave me very grave fevers in which I was hospitalized for weeks as the story goes -- As I don't remember, too young. My evidence based doctors, not no homeopaths or some shit, told me that the vaccines for me led to the fevers and the fevers led to my super rad OCD that has dogged me my entire life. My opinion doesn't mean shit, but vaccines can be harmful and thus not mandatory in my view lacking any modicum of syntax.


I see. Vaccines are dead viruses, and they can actually give you symptoms of the disease from which they are supposed to protect you. They can also stimulate an immune response which can really take it out of your body. In other words, your body can fight VERY hard to ward off these viruses (not knowing they're dead) and it can really take a toll. But that's how they're supposed to work. Sorta.

Which is why I have a problem with giving a tiny little baby huge numbers of different vaccinations ALL AT ONCE. For some robust babies it's fine, for others, who may be slightly different than the majority of the "herd" it can be devastating.

I have a severe and deadly food allergy which is why I'm sympathetic to this kind of thing. Not everybody is "NORMAL".
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Jerky » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:00 am

God forbid and heaven forefend that we ever go back to the nightmarish, pre-1986, leper colony wasteland, when children were expected to face the world with a measly (no pun intended) TEN inoculations.

Today, if you set aside the record-setting childhood obesity, asthma (despite particulates dropping precipitously since the advent of catalytic converters), the proliferation of childhood cancers, immune deficiency diseases, the rise of life-threatening allergies, etc, etc, 'm sure you'll agree our children are healthier and happier than they've ever been before in the history of all mankind! And it MUST be because of the fact that kids now are mandated to have 40, 50, 60, sometimes even 70 inoculations before adulthood! Not only available to them, but FORCED on them! By LAW!

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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby identity » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:13 am

Jerky wrote:[snip]
Today, if you set aside the record-setting childhood obesity, asthma (despite particulates dropping precipitously since the advent of catalytic converters), the proliferation of childhood cancers, immune deficiency diseases, the rise of life-threatening allergies, etc, etc, 'm sure you'll agree our children are healthier and happier than they've ever been before in the history of all mankind! And it MUST be because of the fact that kids now are mandated to have 40, 50, 60, sometimes even 70 inoculations before adulthood! Not only available to them, but FORCED on them! By LAW!


http://www.globalresearch.ca/media-sweetheart-paul-offits-vaccine-lies-deconstructed-a-mind-blowing-interview-with-dr-suzanne-humphries/5442110

In your opinion, why is it that the mainstream media is coming down so hard on people, especially the physicians out there, who have any reservation about vaccines? You talked about it a little bit at the beginning, but I’d like you to address it one more time because it really is the most I have ever seen in years.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries: Right, and I talked about why that is – the end-point with Merck and the CDC and the likes of Paul Offit and Arthur Caplan. But let me tell you, basically, what the focus is, because it might just put a few dots together for your listeners. But the first thing is that they want to remove all pockets of unvaccinated children as soon as possible because that will prevent any possibility of doing any large-scale fully-vaccinated and never-vaccinated study. But also, that way, people like myself, and I’ll tell you that I first woke up when I saw a group of never-vaccinated kids in one place, and it’s because they don’t want doctors like me to be able to put the pieces together and see that clinically, the unvaccinated often go through their entire childhood with a level of health that most doctors never see and most doctors would never believe. Second, there’s a massive witch-hunt going on here, which is exemplified by a recent CNN piece where the presenter portrayed various people – it was actually comical because she was talking about how these various people funded organizations that were anti-vaccine and the total was something like $1 million. But Bill Gates and all the billions of dollars that private people give to medical establishments, that’s perfectly fine. Third, they want to shut down all the pro-vaccine parents who are now so vocal about their vaccinated children disintegrating in front of their eyes as a result of vaccination. If they can cut them off at the knees, that will help their goal, so in my opinion, it’s very important today that those parents do not keep quiet. Fourth, Paul Offit is slapping every single radio show host by telling them that they’re part of the problem because they allow air space to people like me, and Jonathan, he would say you should be in journalism jail. Fifth, they would love to de-license any doctor who speaks out against vaccines because they hope that that will leave parents doctorless and bereft of meaningful support for their ideals.

Doctors currently have a lot of pressure on them to do what the vaccine gods tell them to do. Paul Offit is now going around to different medical schools and coaching them how to coach their doctors to persuade their patients to vaccinate. He’s advocating a one-time warning for doctors to kick patients out of the office. So, what does that do? If doctors who disagree with Offit are de-licensed, then where are parents going to go? Parents are tossed out of his wife’s practice, as he says, and they have nowhere to go. So, Offit hypocritically will put those parents in a position where if their children get sick with anything, they have nowhere safe to go. If they end up in a hospital, they have to put up with such venom spat on them, like the likes of Offit, and yes, that happens, and I have some recordings of parents who that has happened to. So, what Offit is doing, actually, is he’s alienating the vaccine refusers with bullying and with absolute crap science and then trying to take away all their alternatives; natural supplements, homeopathy, alternative practitioners, both MDs and DOs, and any practitioners who are against vaccines. So, he’s really got people up against a wall. And I don’t know if you noticed this, but recently, Mayo Clinic partnered with Google to completely change the way health information comes up on Google searches, and the reason they say is because they want to get this quack science out of the way, the pseudo-science out of the way, and deal with the vaccine dispensers.

So, isn’t that interesting, especially given that Mayo Clinic is where Robert Jacobson and Gregory Poland work, two of the most prominent vaccine scientists. I also found it interesting that the congressional hearing this week; it was actually organized before the Disneyland outbreak, and guess what? It wasn’t publicized in a normal way, so nobody really got to put in any dissent, and the most one-sided arguments full of lies that I have actually ever heard about vaccines; it was pretty much the same old story by a congressman who clearly had an agenda. But the focus here isn’t a short-term focus, it’s a long-term. If the Mayo Clinic and Gregory Poland and Paul Offit can restrict your reading to what they want you to know, if they can restrict your access to medical care based on your vaccination status, if they can threaten and silence any doctors who speak against vaccines, if they can stop the media from telling any other story than theirs, and if they can do that in a way that the pro-vaccine parents agree is a wonderful step in the right direction, then what they’ve done is that they have insidiously installed a medical dictatorship and most people would probably never notice.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby alwyn » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:16 am

82_28 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:08 pm wrote:Again, because of vaccines in infanthood gave me very grave fevers in which I was hospitalized for weeks as the story goes -- As I don't remember, too young. My evidence based doctors, not no homeopaths or some shit, told me that the vaccines for me led to the fevers and the fevers led to my super rad OCD that has dogged me my entire life. My opinion doesn't mean shit, but vaccines can be harmful and thus not mandatory in my view lacking any modicum of syntax.


sorry 82_28... it was late, and i took issue with 'anti-vaxxers are dumb'. which we are not. nor was your syntax particularly lacking, it just skipped a few points that might have fleshed out your post.

pax. not vax. :angelwings:
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby alwyn » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:33 am

I looked up Suzanne Humphries MD, author of the first link, and stopped right there. Here's a quote:

Vaccines are dangerous and should never be injected into anyone for any reason. They are not the answer to infectious diseases. There are many more sustainable and benevolent solutions than vaccines.


By "more sustainable and benevolent" she is of course talking about homeopathy (she's a homeopath too).


um, Doctor Suzanne Humphries is an MD, and Nephrologist (kidney specialist) http://drsuzanne.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CV-11.5.21031.pdf

So she certainly has her street cred. and she came to her position through watching her kidney patients tank after vaccination. her work on vaccines is compelling, well researched, well proven, and highly controversial. The vaccine companies hate her. this, in my book, is a recomendation.



And then I couldn't help myself and looked at the other links too. It didn't get any better.
Not sure who's misinformed here.


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