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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Nordic » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:52 pm

DrEvil » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:39 pm wrote:
Nordic » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:52 am wrote:Going to the DMV, while unpleasant, doesn't involve bureaucrats injecting unknown substances into my bloodstream.


They're not unknown. They come with labels you know. You can even look it up on the internet!


Really? Then why was that last flu shot, during an "epidemic" that turned out to be a hoax, require thicker needles with a wider opening, than all the past flu shots? Dead viruses getting that much bigger in recent years? What exactly was the reason for that? Do we really know what was in that? Have you read about the latest advances in nanotechnology, and seen just how insidious and threatening that is? Do you trust your government? What about in the future? If your government can inject you with nano particles which in some way will control you for their benefit, without you knowing, what exactly is preventing them from doing so? What new"diseases" will we need to be "vaccinated" against?
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby identity » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:15 pm

by DrEvil » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:33 pm
[snip] Are you seriously saying you would sacrifice thousands of unnamed kids so Zeda could be alright?


Are you actually saying that you would happily put tens of millions of healthy kids at risk of becoming one of those (like Zeda) permanently disabled by this vaccine, a vaccine administered to prevent a medical condition which in the vast majority of cases does not lead to a fatal or permanently debilitating outcome (and which, in most cases, either resolves itself naturally or which proper screening and medical care can satisfactorily deal with should it progress to something dangerous)?


Gardasil: What you need to know about the HPV vaccine : Pap tests still the best tool in preventing cervical cancer

by Women and Health Protection and the Canadian Women’s Health Network, with assistance from Judy Norsigian, Robin Barnett and Alicia Priest

In January 2007 the Canadian National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) recommended that all Canadian girls and women aged 9-13 be immunized with Gardasil, the recently approved vaccine to prevent two of the strains of the human papillomavirus (HPV) that cause cervical cancer; they further stated that girls and women between 14-26 years of age would benefit from the HPV vaccine.

But many women’s health organizations are questioning this recommendation and highlighting the limited data available to date on both the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine (especially for the younger age groups highlighted by the NACI).

There are also concerns about the substantial economic costs for the vaccine, and what it would do to public health budgets across the country. Women’s health organizations also point to significant evidence that suggests that the HPV vaccine is not the only – or even the best – approach to cervical cancer prevention.
Cervical cancer:

Cervical cancer is caused by persisting infection with a sexually transmitted virus called the human papillomavirus (HPV). There are over 100 types (strains) of HPV. About 35 types of HPV infect the genitals and reproductive organs. Within these 35, there are high-risk and low-risk types of HPV.

High-risk HPV infections that persist cause cancer when other factors are also present (for example, having a stressed or compromised immune system, poor nutrition or smoking). The low-risk HPV infections have a less-frequent association with cancer but do cause genital warts. Genital warts are similar to warts on other parts of the body, and are usually treated with liquid nitrogen or are surgically removed; they do not themselves cause cancer.

With a healthy immune system, most people who become infected with HPV can eliminate the virus from their body -- with or without treatment -- within three years (the average is about nine to 13 months). Most women who get an HPV infection do not develop cervical cancer.

It is important to keep in mind that a compromised immune system, which increases a woman’s risk of cervical cancer, can result from many things, including poverty and poor nutrition. Whether in North America or elsewhere in the world, women who die from cervical cancer are often poor. Efforts to eliminate cervical cancer require understanding and addressing this critical fact.

Gardasil: The HPV vaccine and cervical cancer prevention

Gardasil is the first vaccine against HPV to be approved for use in Canada and the US. This specific vaccine prevents infection from HPV types 6 and 11, which cause genital warts, and HPV types 16 and 18, which cause cancer.

The vaccine is not a treatment or cure for cervical cancer or genital warts, but it does prevent infection by these specific types of HPV if it is administered to girls and women before their first sexual encounter.

Ads about cervical cancer and genital warts now appear in various media. Putting the information about warts and cancer together can be confusing, because some people assume that having genital warts is a risk for cervical cancer. This is not so. In addition, the ads may generate excessive fear by obscuring the fact that cervical cancer affects a relatively small number of women and is rarely fatal in Canada and the US.

The vaccine is also very expensive. It is administered in a series of three injections provided over a six-month period of time, and the cost is approximately $405 Canadian per woman and girl.

If the HPV vaccine is to be covered by the Canadian public health budget, it would be a major additional cost for an already overburdened system. And it is not yet clear that the benefit of this vaccine justifies its very substantial cost. Using public health funds to ensure that all women benefit from regular Pap tests may represent a more effective use of resources in the public sector.

The importance of Pap screening

Pap screening for cervical abnormalities has greatly reduced the incidence of cervical cancer in Canada. Cervical cancer is considered to be 90% preventable with screening and treatment. And Pap screening should be available and accessible to all girls and women, as has been recommended, on a regular basis.

Cervical cancer is responsible for the deaths of about .002% of the female population, or about 400 women per year in Canada. In parts of the world where Pap screening is not available, and where poverty and poor nutrition increase the risks associated with getting – and not being treated for -- cervical cancer, thousands of women die every year from this preventable disease.

If a woman has an abnormal Pap smear that reveals atypical cells, or a low-grade lesion, the body most often repairs itself without treatment. However, a woman with Pap smear results that reveal the possibility of a high-grade lesion, or a woman who already has a high-grade lesion, needs to undergo further testing. She may then have to undergo procedures to remove the abnormal cells. Follow-up testing will indicate if the woman still has abnormal cells that require attention.

Removing abnormal cells prevents invasive cancer in 90% of cases. In North America, many women who show abnormal Pap results – which can be worrisome – do not actually develop cervical cancer.

Since the introduction of the Pap test in Canada, the cervical cancer death rate has dropped by half. In the US, the incidence of cervical cancer fell by 74% between 1955 and 1992.

The HPV vaccine does not eliminate the need for Pap tests, because it does not protect against all forms of cancer-causing HPV infections, and it is not effective if a woman already has the type of virus the vaccine is designed to prevent.

Unfortunately, not all women have access to regular Pap tests. Those who don’t are often immigrants, poor women, Aboriginal women or women in remote areas without access to appropriate health care. Also, women who have sex with women tend to be under-screened because their health care providers incorrectly assume that they do not need this testing. These women are often at higher risk for cervical cancer. However, these same populations of women and girls are less likely to be able to afford an HPV vaccine as well.

Gardasil: HPV vaccine not the only option for addressing cervical cancer prevention

Women are more likely to develop cervical cancer if they have multiple sexual partners or become sexually active at an early age. Women who get the HPV vaccine need to be cautioned about developing a false sense of security about their sexual activity.

An HPV vaccine does not eliminate the need for protected sex or prudence about one’s choice and frequency of sexual partners. Barrier methods of protection (such as condoms) are still necessary to prevent HIV/AIDS and other types of infection not prevented by the HPV vaccine.

The HPV vaccine is most effective if it is first administered before any exposure to the HP virus; that is, before a woman’s or girl’s first experience of sexual activity (with skin-to-skin contact). As a result, the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice recommends routine vaccination of 11-12 year old girls. In Canada, the vaccine has been approved for girls and women aged 9-26. However, research on safety and effectiveness conducted to date includes relatively few girls in the younger age category, so current safety data may not be applicable to them.

Some pharmaceutical companies and public health agencies are promoting the use of an HPV vaccine by all women, and by all girls beginning at age nine, as a way to eradicate cervical cancer. However, since Gardasil, the only approved vaccine, protects against the two types of HPV that are responsible for 70% of cervical cancers and not against types of the virus responsible for the other 30% of cervical cancers, “reduction” rather than “eradication” is a more accurate goal. Given this fact, proposals to make the vaccine mandatory may not reflect the best use of public health funds at this time.

Pap screening and HPV tests remain important tools in cervical cancer prevention and these tools still do not reach all the girls and women that they should. The HPV vaccine may also prove to be a useful tool, but we do not yet have the full story on its long-term safety, especially in young girls.

Until we know more about long-term safety and duration of effectiveness of the Gardasil HPV vaccine, as well as about how effective it actually is in reducing cervical cancer rates, health care dollars may be better spent in enhancing Pap screening programs (including Pap registries), and reaching the most marginalized populations (poor women, new immigrants, Aboriginal, rural and remote women) with Pap screening.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby identity » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:31 pm

by Nordic » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:52 pm

Really? Then why was that last flu shot, during an "epidemic" that turned out to be a hoax, require thicker needles with a wider opening, than all the past flu shots? Dead viruses getting that much bigger in recent years? What exactly was the reason for that? Do we really know what was in that? Have you read about the latest advances in nanotechnology, and seen just how insidious and threatening that is? Do you trust your government? What about in the future? If your government can inject you with nano particles which in some way will control you for their benefit, without you knowing, what exactly is preventing them from doing so? What new"diseases" will we need to be "vaccinated" against?


Nordic, why not take your paranoid, conspiracy theory nonsense to a place where other unscientific dimwits gather (e.g. inforwars)? Here we respect Science, not sloppy, emotion-and-superstition-based thinking, and we have solid faith that our elected representatives, the pharmaceutical and medical industries (and their lobbyists), as well as national and global health organizations are immune to corruption or non-transparent activity and agendas, and in most, if not all, cases have the maximal health and well being of the people –– not profits, power, and control –– foremost in mind in every difficult decision they make.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby alwyn » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:50 am

Just before the holiday weekend, the California Senate Passed AB1117; a bill funding 'incentives' for doctors to vaccinate. So medi-Cal is so underfunded they are doing commercials for it on TV, but there is taxpayer money to pay the commissions on administering the vaccines, which are also funded by the public at rates twice what private insurance will pay.

Let me get this straight, a gazillion dollar corporation doesn't even have to pay it's own sales commissions for mandated vaccines at the public expense? Meanwhile, kids who need real healthcare can't get it. Tell me how it's not about the $ again.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:52 am

nothing we don't already know, but still..

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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:46 pm

Nordic » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:52 pm wrote:
DrEvil » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:39 pm wrote:
Nordic » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:52 am wrote:Going to the DMV, while unpleasant, doesn't involve bureaucrats injecting unknown substances into my bloodstream.


They're not unknown. They come with labels you know. You can even look it up on the internet!


Really? Then why was that last flu shot, during an "epidemic" that turned out to be a hoax, require thicker needles with a wider opening, than all the past flu shots? Dead viruses getting that much bigger in recent years? What exactly was the reason for that? Do we really know what was in that? Have you read about the latest advances in nanotechnology, and seen just how insidious and threatening that is? Do you trust your government? What about in the future? If your government can inject you with nano particles which in some way will control you for their benefit, without you knowing, what exactly is preventing them from doing so? What new"diseases" will we need to be "vaccinated" against?


Obviously they contained mind-control nanobots, designed to make us all crave vaccines and government over-reach. Duh.

I can't find any kind of reference to the "thicker needles" thing, so a link would be nice.

And yes, I do trust my government (within reason). I don't live in a fascist police state, but an actual functioning democracy. You should try it sometime, it's pretty nice.

As for the rest of your comment, it's pure speculation and paranoid fear-mongering about things that could (or not) happen at some unspecified time in the future.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:46 pm

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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:14 pm

and this, of course (figured this was already at RI from back then:)

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25624


DrEvil, you are VERY lucky you live in beautiful Norway!!!!
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby DrEvil » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:51 pm

^^Trust me, I know! I've traveled enough to know just how lucky I am. If we could just figure out how to get rid of all that damned snow...

As for nano-tech, sure it's getting along, but so far it's all pretty basic. That doesn't mean it won't happen of course, but so far it's just speculation, and I'm still not sure why "they" would do it.

The part about the blunt, custom needles sounds strange, I agree, but it could be as simple as designing the needles to avoid perforating the gloves of medical personnel. I found this:
http://www.neurologyreviews.com/epileps ... 3d787.html
.. and a whole bunch of links to godlikeproductions and David Icke (and rigint :eeyaa ).
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Nordic » Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:06 pm

Why "they" would do it?

Because to them we're just a big population of guinea pigs for them to experiment on.

As they have done before, time and time again.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby Sounder » Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:33 pm

As they have done before, time and time again.



And as continues to be done also with the ‘great’ Flouridation ‘experiment’.

Trust who?

Sorry it’s from rense, they are still valid comments, perhaps minus some surrounding context.

http://www.rense.com/general79/hd3.htm



The Use Of Flouridation
For Mass Mind Control
11-5-7

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from Mr. Charles Perkins, a chemist:

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. "In the 1930`s, Hitler and the German Nazi`s envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place. ...

"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual`s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient light lobotomy]

"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children`s teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world. ...

"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years` research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine--any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

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Quoting Einstein`s nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner (a chemist who had also been a prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror, Springfield, MA, January 1952:

"It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the 'next' on the agenda of the water poisoners.

"There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless 'intellectual' parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic--from within if they can, according to their plan--for their own possession.

"The tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds towards their own ultimate victory over us.

"Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration. ..

"As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22 years, 3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide. Don`t do it.

"Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer. ... Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God`s great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble.

The body refuses to assimilate it. "Careful, bonafide laboratory experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or promoting `dental health,` fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth, before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a "health" plan? What`s behind it?

"That any so-called "doctors" would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable. It is the height of criminal insanity. "No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin`s Last Will and Hitler`s Mein Kampf:

"America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within." ...

"Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats. ...

"Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity--treason!"

Dr. E.H. Bronner, Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles.

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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:56 pm

Dunno whether this is totally true. But if true it certainly casts doubt on vaccines being legally mandatory. I found it at cryptogon. I used to hate homeschoolers cos it was all about creationist shit, but if I had a kid I would homeschool them these days before making them subject to who knows what they're being injected with. This is a pretty painful clip to watch and it made me cry.

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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby alwyn » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:06 pm

ON EDIT:

THIS is a bill for adults in child and health care. See my groveling to BPH downthread for explanation. I still don't think it's right.

because: http://neurosciencenews.com/lymphatic-s ... logy-2080/ … in other news: mandatory vax for CA adults in committee. #NotYourScienceExperiment #ActNow #NoSB792 #HearUs


California, not being content with endangering their children is now trying to pass a bill to vaccinated ALL ADULTS, with criminal penalties for non compliance. please call the usual suspects. I'm not going down with this one, those shots will kill me.

SB792- The first US adult vaccine mandate with NO exemptions and CRIMINAL penalties for failure to comply will be heard in Assembly Human Services Committee this Tuesday July 14th at 1:30 in Room 437
CALL- FAX –EMAIL - TWEET --- URGE a NO VOTE TODAY
Assembly Human Services Committee: http://ahum.assembly.ca.gov/hearings
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:48 pm

Some of the idiocy on this thread is embarrassing.
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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

Postby alwyn » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:57 pm

brainpanhandler » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:48 am wrote:Some of the idiocy on this thread is embarrassing.

Thanks for that slap, BrainPanHandler..... i needed that. i went back and checked the source instead of going off the deep end from one of my political action committees....the bill stated is for Mandatory VAX for Adults working at day care facilities, hospitals, etc. Not quite the draconian 'everyone' that panic made it. I apologize heartily for my inadvertant knee-jerk reaction to what is merely in the workings at the federal level, thinking it had got here first.
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