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Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:47 pm
by stickdog99
DrEvil » 31 Jan 2020 20:55 wrote:
chump » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:31 am wrote:
Democracy cannot survive overpopulation.
Human dignity cannot survive it.
Convenience and dignity cannot survive it.
As you put more and more people in the world,
the value of life not only declines, it disappears.
It doesn’t matter if someone dies.
The more people there are, the less one individual matters.
- Isaac Asimov



Isaac Asimov on Influenza:

Influenza? Nice disease.

There was a terrible epidemic in the time of Marcus Aurelius, at which time the Roman Empire was at it’s height. And the Roman Empire was never the same again, so many were killed and so much destruction was done to adjust the human spirit as a result. But, nobody knows exactly what the epidemic was of… Maybe it was a Smallpox epidemic, but nobody knows for sure.


Maybe try not being so dishonest and selective in your quotes. That's the kind of shit anti-vaxxers pull.

Right after he says "Nice disease", which is clearly a joke, he says "it's a dreadful disease, actually".

As for the overpopulation quote, he's not wrong. More people on a planet with limited resources will inevitably lead to conflict, and war and democracy don't play nice with each other. Just look at what the Syrian civil war did to European politics.


Have you ever heard of Demographic Transition Theory? Perhaps like you, I went my whole life thinking that exponential population growth was inevitable and would lead to the inevitable destruction of our planet if societies did not immediately go to extraordinary means to prevent it. But, it turns out that the data shows that all you have do to limit population growth is to confer onto people the "benefits" of industrialization.

There is plenty of room, and we have plenty of resources for everyone alive on the planet today. Looking at the data objectively leads anyone (who is not an elitist) to conclude that overpopulation is not our biggest problem. Hmmmmm. To whose benefit have we all been conditioned to think it is?

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:20 pm
by DrEvil
stickdog99 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:47 pm wrote:
DrEvil » 31 Jan 2020 20:55 wrote:
chump » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:31 am wrote:
Democracy cannot survive overpopulation.
Human dignity cannot survive it.
Convenience and dignity cannot survive it.
As you put more and more people in the world,
the value of life not only declines, it disappears.
It doesn’t matter if someone dies.
The more people there are, the less one individual matters.
- Isaac Asimov



Isaac Asimov on Influenza:

Influenza? Nice disease.

There was a terrible epidemic in the time of Marcus Aurelius, at which time the Roman Empire was at it’s height. And the Roman Empire was never the same again, so many were killed and so much destruction was done to adjust the human spirit as a result. But, nobody knows exactly what the epidemic was of… Maybe it was a Smallpox epidemic, but nobody knows for sure.


Maybe try not being so dishonest and selective in your quotes. That's the kind of shit anti-vaxxers pull.

Right after he says "Nice disease", which is clearly a joke, he says "it's a dreadful disease, actually".

As for the overpopulation quote, he's not wrong. More people on a planet with limited resources will inevitably lead to conflict, and war and democracy don't play nice with each other. Just look at what the Syrian civil war did to European politics.


Have you ever heard of Demographic Transition Theory? Perhaps like you, I went my whole life thinking that exponential population growth was inevitable and would lead to the inevitable destruction of our planet if societies did not immediately go to extraordinary means to prevent it. But, it turns out that the data shows that all you have do to limit population growth is to confer onto people the "benefits" of industrialization.

There is plenty of room, and we have plenty of resources for everyone alive on the planet today. Looking at the data objectively leads anyone (who is not an elitist) to conclude that overpopulation is not our biggest problem. Hmmmmm. To whose benefit have we all been conditioned to think it is?


I wasn't aware of the specific name, but that's what I've been preaching all along. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at standard of living vs. birth rates and figure it out.

Unfortunately there's research looking at the possibility of getting everyone up to a high, western-style standard of living. The short answer is no. Everyone can have their basic needs met, but that's about it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-018-0021-4
(the full article is available on libgen)

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:39 pm
by stickdog99
DrEvil » 13 Apr 2020 22:20 wrote:
stickdog99 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:47 pm wrote:
DrEvil » 31 Jan 2020 20:55 wrote:
chump » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:31 am wrote:
Democracy cannot survive overpopulation.
Human dignity cannot survive it.
Convenience and dignity cannot survive it.
As you put more and more people in the world,
the value of life not only declines, it disappears.
It doesn’t matter if someone dies.
The more people there are, the less one individual matters.
- Isaac Asimov



Isaac Asimov on Influenza:

Influenza? Nice disease.

There was a terrible epidemic in the time of Marcus Aurelius, at which time the Roman Empire was at it’s height. And the Roman Empire was never the same again, so many were killed and so much destruction was done to adjust the human spirit as a result. But, nobody knows exactly what the epidemic was of… Maybe it was a Smallpox epidemic, but nobody knows for sure.


Maybe try not being so dishonest and selective in your quotes. That's the kind of shit anti-vaxxers pull.

Right after he says "Nice disease", which is clearly a joke, he says "it's a dreadful disease, actually".

As for the overpopulation quote, he's not wrong. More people on a planet with limited resources will inevitably lead to conflict, and war and democracy don't play nice with each other. Just look at what the Syrian civil war did to European politics.


Have you ever heard of Demographic Transition Theory? Perhaps like you, I went my whole life thinking that exponential population growth was inevitable and would lead to the inevitable destruction of our planet if societies did not immediately go to extraordinary means to prevent it. But, it turns out that the data shows that all you have do to limit population growth is to confer onto people the "benefits" of industrialization.

There is plenty of room, and we have plenty of resources for everyone alive on the planet today. Looking at the data objectively leads anyone (who is not an elitist) to conclude that overpopulation is not our biggest problem. Hmmmmm. To whose benefit have we all been conditioned to think it is?


I wasn't aware of the specific name, but that's what I've been preaching all along. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at standard of living vs. birth rates and figure it out.

Unfortunately there's research looking at the possibility of getting everyone up to a high, western-style standard of living. The short answer is no. Everyone can have their basic needs met, but that's about it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-018-0021-4
(the full article is available on libgen)


But, of course, automation and technological advancement can never be directed to provide any resources for our current population levels. Right?

In any case, who among us despises the idea of having just enough so that everyone can have their basic needs met the most? That's the yacht charters' worst dystopian nightmare! Welcome, Thanos!

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:28 pm
by JackRiddler
First, it is not "standard of living" at "Western" levels that causes a transition to stable population. That's far too general. It's about health conditions in general (people don't fear premature death for themselves or high mortality for their children) and the education and relative empowerment of women. Where women can read, have equal rights to make their own life choices, and make their own decisions about whether and when to have children, population stabilizes.

Second, "standard of living" at "Western" levels, meaning the consumption (and also waste) of energy and resources and the production of pollution involved in the "Western" lifestyle, highlights the real population problem. It is the population of people who live that lifestyle, especially the richer ones among them. Per capita consumption of Americans is 30 to 100 times that of countries in Africa. We can grant that a lot of that difference comes in wasteful and unnecessary activity (such as the quasi requirement that almost everyone needs a car for commuting to work or even for shopping for food, or that almost every meal must be centered on meat) or is disproportionately concentrated among the folk who eat for all.

Are we really having this conversation here?

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:58 am
by stickdog99
JackRiddler » 14 Apr 2020 03:28 wrote:First, it is not "standard of living" at "Western" levels that causes a transition to stable population. That's far too general. It's about health conditions in general (people don't fear premature death for themselves or high mortality for their children) and the education and relative empowerment of women. Where women can read, have equal rights to make their own life choices, and make their own decisions about whether and when to have children, population stabilizes.

Second, "standard of living" at "Western" levels, meaning the consumption (and also waste) of energy and resources and the production of pollution involved in the "Western" lifestyle, highlights the real population problem. It is the population of people who live that lifestyle, especially the richer ones among them. Per capita consumption of Americans is 30 to 100 times that of countries in Africa. We can grant that a lot of that difference comes in wasteful and unnecessary activity (such as the quasi requirement that almost everyone needs a car for commuting to work or even for shopping for food, or that almost every meal must be centered on meat) or is disproportionately concentrated among the folk who eat for all.

Are we really having this conversation here?


The conversation (at least on my side) was more about whether (African) overpopulation is actually the scourge of the Earth, as St. William of DOS (and so many other billionaire "philanthropists") would have us believe.

I am surprised how powerfully pervasive this myth is, even among my college students. So many of us have been conditioned almost since birth to fervently believe that human problems are inherently intractable and completely insurmountable due to the single cause of overpopulation.

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:43 am
by DrEvil
JackRiddler » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:28 am wrote:First, it is not "standard of living" at "Western" levels that causes a transition to stable population. That's far too general. It's about health conditions in general (people don't fear premature death for themselves or high mortality for their children) and the education and relative empowerment of women. Where women can read, have equal rights to make their own life choices, and make their own decisions about whether and when to have children, population stabilizes.

Second, "standard of living" at "Western" levels, meaning the consumption (and also waste) of energy and resources and the production of pollution involved in the "Western" lifestyle, highlights the real population problem. It is the population of people who live that lifestyle, especially the richer ones among them. Per capita consumption of Americans is 30 to 100 times that of countries in Africa. We can grant that a lot of that difference comes in wasteful and unnecessary activity (such as the quasi requirement that almost everyone needs a car for commuting to work or even for shopping for food, or that almost every meal must be centered on meat) or is disproportionately concentrated among the folk who eat for all.

Are we really having this conversation here?


You're right, the key is healthcare and education. What I want is the highest possible sustainable standard of living for everyone, starting with good healthcare and education, which should be free for everyone.

stickdog wrote:
But, of course, automation and technological advancement can never be directed to provide any resources for our current population levels. Right?


Of course it can. Things are slowly moving in the right direction, but way too much of that advancement is geared towards unnecessary fluff. Do we really need a new iPhone model every year?

In any case, who among us despises the idea of having just enough so that everyone can have their basic needs met the most? That's the yacht charters' worst dystopian nightmare! Welcome, Thanos!


Too many.

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:41 pm
by identity
Not sure if this has been posted upthread; in any case, never hurts to be reminded of the uncensored truth.

The original Merck MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) combo vaccine product insert listing all
the known side effects (adverse reactions) of the vaccine:

Merck .png

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:04 pm
by thrulookingglass
"Democracy cannot survive overpopulation"

People actually have to participate in their government for democracies to exist so that is utter bullshit. Accrual of power from the many to the few is a sure path towards depravity.

Dispensing with "overpopulation" is great, so long as you are not the one consider to be part of that "overpopulation." Who wants to decide who stays and who goes? And what justice will you dispense in that manner? There is no "overpopulation" of the world, but an extremely grotesque abuse of resources. This is what happens when your labors are for currency and not for advancement of the species.

The doctors we are depending upon to dispense CARE take a Hippocratic oath to "do no harm." It might serve us, one and all, to uphold that oath.

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:16 am
by identity
Dr. Andy Kaufman: Vaccines vs Reality

"It's not a coincidence that they use the word 'herd'."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv8hf0dn2Qc

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:07 pm
by Agent Orange Cooper
There should be a way to embed tweets here:

https://twitter.com/wiggley_dale/status ... 6536321025
https://twitter.com/justiceforevee/stat ... 4376753153

Brandy Vaughan, former Merck rep and vaccine whistleblower, founder of organization/website Learn the Risk (https://learntherisk.org - from which I have posted material in this very thread), was found dead by her son.

This was from a year ago:

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This too is just days after Dr. Paul Thomas (author of The Vaccine-Friendly Plan) had his medical license revoked for daring to do real science—publishing 2 peer-reviewed studies on vaxxed vs unvaxxed children in 2020—and not bowing to the CDC's religious orthodoxy.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defe ... ul-thomas/

According to Dr. Thomas:

“Lifestyle differences between the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups in this practice cannot explain the large difference in outcomes, and if they do, then it would be objective to conclude that everyone should adopt the lifestyle followed by the unvaccinated if they want healthier children. That lifestyle choice includes, for many families, avoiding some or all vaccines, and thus, the lifestyle choice concern is inextricably linked to vaccine exposure.

“Parents are almost universally told by their child’s health care provider that the health issue was not due to the vaccine, in spite of growing evidence in the scientific literature that supports both plausible mechanisms of action for chronic illnesses including epidemiological associations. It is now apparent that the commonly reported lack of association of adverse events may be due to the use of a test statistic with low intrinsic power and due to problems including model misspecification and overadjustment bias and that further research is needed to update guidelines and recommendations via additional studies.

“We could detect no widespread negative health effects in the unvaccinated other than the rare but significant vaccine-targeted diagnosis. We can conclude that the unvaccinated children in this practice are not, overall, less healthy than the vaccinated and that indeed the vaccinated children appear to be significantly less healthy than the unvaccinated.

“It is time to state this fact: vaccines are not safe. Vaccines are associated with significant acute and chronic health issues in children, including asthma, allergic rhinitis, breathing problems, behavior issues, ADHD, respiratory infection, otitis media, ear pain, other infections, eye disorders, eczema, skin disorders and anemia. This is what the data above show clearly.

“Every major health plan and large institution with data should simply identify the unvaccinated within their data set and match those patients by age and demographics to compare all health outcomes as we have done in this historic study. This is the kind of work the CDC, the National Institutes of Health, the public health institutions, and every major health plan and clinic should be doing. We need more data, not less.

“As COVID-19 vaccines are rolled out, it is imperative that those getting the vaccines be compared to those not getting them to look at all health outcomes. Failure to do so will bury the negative effects of vaccination. It is unethical to administer an experimental vaccine that has no long-term safety testing without setting up a system to compare those who get the COVID-19 vaccines to those who do not get them.”


Needless to say, it's a more dangerous and difficult time than ever to be a health professional on the side of truth and freedom.

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:30 pm
by DrEvil
Going from "found unresponsive" to "murdered" is a bit of a stretch. At least wait for a little more information.

Incidentally, would this be the same Brandy Vaughan who said the anti-vaxx movement business was just as corrupt as pharma?


Dr. Paul Thomas lost his license for being a shit doctor (pdf):
https://omb.oregon.gov/clients/ormb/Ord ... gOwQ2Vowjw

At least he still has his supplement business.

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:04 pm
by Joe Hillshoist
identity » 19 Apr 2020 09:41 wrote:Not sure if this has been posted upthread; in any case, never hurts to be reminded of the uncensored truth.

The original Merck MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) combo vaccine product insert listing all
the known side effects (adverse reactions) of the vaccine:

Merck .png


That didn't say they were side effects, just that those things had been reported after someone recieved the vaccine. It didn't mention any connection between them.

Personally I think if they ever study it properly they will find that autism is a genetic condition that isn't as dependent on environmental issues as some think.

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:45 pm
by DrEvil
I think there's already pretty strong evidence for a genetic factor in autism, and there's plenty of studies showing no difference in autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated children.

The problem is all the people who want something to blame beyond random chance for anything bad that happens. It's why we have religion and anti-vaxxers.

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:20 pm
by stickdog99
Joe Hillshoist » 09 Dec 2020 01:04 wrote:
identity » 19 Apr 2020 09:41 wrote:Not sure if this has been posted upthread; in any case, never hurts to be reminded of the uncensored truth.

The original Merck MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) combo vaccine product insert listing all
the known side effects (adverse reactions) of the vaccine:

Merck .png


That didn't say they were side effects, just that those things had been reported after someone recieved the vaccine. It didn't mention any connection between them.

Personally I think if they ever study it properly they will find that autism is a genetic condition that isn't as dependent on environmental issues as some think.


OK, and your guess about this is based on what? Just curious.

Re: Vaccine - Autism link

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:24 pm
by stickdog99
DrEvil » 09 Dec 2020 00:30 wrote:Going from "found unresponsive" to "murdered" is a bit of a stretch. At least wait for a little more information.

Incidentally, would this be the same Brandy Vaughan who said the anti-vaxx movement business was just as corrupt as pharma?


Dr. Paul Thomas lost his license for being a shit doctor (pdf):
https://omb.oregon.gov/clients/ormb/Ord ... gOwQ2Vowjw

At least he still has his supplement business.


LOL. So he's a "shit doctor" for daring to question the CDC's vaccination schedule and for recommending a schedule more similar to those followed by nations that have healthier children overall?