How do we shut down the FBI?

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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:08 am

Since 1990 every major terrorist event in the US. was
created by a FBI informant.
The Mumbai attack in India was created by John Headley
an FBI informant.
The explosives for the Omargh bombing in Ireland were
provided by FBI informant Whitey Bulger.


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Enemy or Asset? FBI documents show radical cleric Awlaki communicated with federal agent in ‘03


Published October 01, 2014

Newly released documents further support the conclusion that the FBI was working with radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki after the 9/11 attacks – in the years before he became the first American targeted for death by a U.S. drone strike.

As part of an ongoing investigation of the cleric that began after the 2009 Fort Hood shooting massacre, Fox News was first to report that in 2002, al-Awlaki was released from custody at JFK International Airport -- despite an active warrant for his arrest -- with the okay of FBI Agent Wade Ammerman.
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Watchdog group Judicial Watch has since obtained more than 900 pages of new documents in the course of its federal lawsuit against the FBI under the Freedom of Information Act. They show the cleric was emailing and leaving voice messages with an FBI agent in 2003, a year after Ammerman told customs agents at JFK airport to bypass an outstanding warrant for the cleric's arrest.

The documents further support claims that Awlaki, who eventually went overseas and linked up with an Al Qaeda affiliate, worked with the FBI and was likely a U.S. government asset.

"I have little doubt that President Obama assassinated a terrorist that was an asset of the U.S. government," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said.

He added: "There have been so many missed opportunities in getting the bad guys, but it's one thing to have a bad guy working with you and for you and actually in your custody and then letting them go."

Fitton questioned whether Obama was even aware of al-Awlaki’s connections to federal law enforcement. “These unanswered questions cast President Obama's decision to assassinate [al-Awlaki] in a disturbingly different light," he said.

In one Oct. 2, 2003 email, an FBI agent whose name is redacted writes to a colleague regarding a voicemail: "Holy crap, [redacted] isn't this your guy? The aman (imam) with the prostitutes.”

Three weeks later, after leaving another voicemail, the cleric uses his personal Yahoo account to write directly to an FBI agent, now stationed at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Va., to complain about news reports linking al-Awlaki to the 9/11 hijackers.

"I was astonished by some of the talk circulating in the media about me. ... I am amazed at how absurd the media could be and I hope that the US authorities know better and realize that what was mentioned about me was nothing but lies," al-Awlaki writes, appearing to scold the FBI agent.

In another email, an FBI agent bristles at attempts by the 9/11 Commission to locate al-Awlaki and interview him independently, describing the requests as "numerous and unrelenting." The email says the 9/11 Commission wanted to talk to the cleric after it learned he had been phoning and emailing with FBI agents.

Significantly, the email traffic shows that while the 9/11 Commission was trying to find al-Awlaki, an FBI agent was in direct contact with the cleric and set up a meeting with him in March 2004.

"SA [redacted] has had a conversation with Aulaqi and has tentatively set up an interview for mid-March in London. With the VA. Jihad trial scheduled for early Feb. this will be the earliest SA (redacted) can meet Aulaqi … If the 9/11 commission needs to meet with Aulaqi, we will provide the contact information so they can set up their own interview."

Previously obtained records show that in 2002, within days of al-Awlaki’s re-entry to the U.S., he showed up in Ammerman's counterterrorism investigation in Virginia into Ali al-Timimi, who is now serving a life sentence on non-terrorism charges. On Oct. 22, 2002, 12 days after the imam's return, another FBI memo obtained through the Judicial Watch federal lawsuit (marked "Secret”) includes the subject line "Anwar Nasser Aulaqi" and "Synopsis: Asset reporting." The existence of the customs entry records was first documented by author Paul Sperry.

Asked about the FBI's involvement in al-Awlaki's release and whether the FBI tried to recruit the cleric, in a September 2013 interview with Fox News, then-FBI Director Robert Mueller did not deny it.

"I am not personally familiar with any effort to recruit Anwar al-Awlaki as an asset -- that does not mean to say there was not an effort at some level of the Bureau (FBI) or another agency to do so," Mueller said.

Mueller did not elaborate on a memo he personally sent then-Attorney General John Ashcroft on Oct. 3, 2002 -- seven days before the imam suddenly re-entered the U.S., was detained and then released at JFK Airport, by the order of Mueller's agent -- that is marked "Secret" and titled "Anwar Aulaqi: IT-UBL/AL-QAEDA."

It is not public whether al-Awlaki's contact information was provided by the FBI to the commission, but in the 9/11 report into the 2001 terrorist attacks, it states efforts to locate al-Awlaki were unsuccessful.

Fitton claims federal law enforcement had al-Awlaki in their custody, until the FBI let him walk -- and in the years before he was killed by a CIA drone in 2011, al-Awlaki pioneered the digital jihad, now being capitalized upon by the Isla



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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:18 pm

BOSTON UPDATE: FBI War on Marathon Bombing Witnesses Continues



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By James Henry on Oct 2, 2014


The FBI’s apparent message to Tsarnaev’s defense team

The Boston Marathon bombing is much more important than has been acknowledged, principally because it is the major domestic national security event since 9-11 and has played a major role in expanding the power of the security state. For that reason, WhoWhatWhy is continuing to investigate troubling aspects of this story and the establishment media treatment of it. So even as it slips from the headlines, we will be exploring new elements of the story regularly as the trial of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev approaches.

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Since the Boston Marathon bombing a year and a half ago, the FBI appears to be intimidating, harassing, and silencing friends and acquaintances of the Tsarnaev brothers. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s lawyers have noticed it too—they’re having trouble getting anyone to talk to them, recent court papers reveal.

In what WhoWhatWhy previously described as the FBI’s “war on witnesses”, the Bureau seems to be employing a scorched earth strategy of destroying anything that might be of use to the “enemy.”

On August 29, Tsarnaev’s lawyers filed a motion requesting a continuance for more time to prepare their defense, noting the fact that they were given only half the median preparation time that federal courts have allowed over the past decade for defendants on trial for their lives. (The judge did grant a two-month delay while refusing the defense request to move the trial out of Boston.)

The lawyers cited “outpaced requirements” in building a proper defense for their client: (1) the international nature of the investigation—including language and geographic barriers, (2) the large amount of evidence that has to be scrutinized, and most tellingly, (3) the climate of intimidation and fear created by the FBI’s investigative efforts since the bombing. They write:

Domestic defense mitigation investigation has been conducted amid a growing atmosphere of anxiety and agitation generated by highly-publicized arrests, indictments, prosecutions, deportations (and, in one instance, the FBI killing) of members of Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s peer groups.

Most news reports brush over that last part. As if shooting to death an unarmed man involved in this case—as an FBI agent did to Tamerlan’s friend Ibragim Todashev—is not relevant to the difficulties the defense team has had in getting witnesses to talk to them. But even less extreme events are enough to silence potential witnesses, such as the mysterious closing of their bank accounts.
The father of Ibragim Todashev displays end result of FBI interview.

The father of Ibragim Todashev displays end result of FBI interview.

Prosecutors resisted this and an earlier attempt to have the trial delayed. The victims have a right to see justice done—swiftly, the thinking goes.

The victims and their families certainly deserve justice for this horrible atrocity. True justice should include a full accounting—something a hurried, one-sided investigation is not likely to produce. And of course Boston and the American public deserve, and need, the truth, whatever it may be.

Yet a close read of the motion document reveals FBI activities that seem more of an effort to conceal than to illuminate.

The FBI’s March to the Sea

Tsarnaev’s defense team makes reference to the most troubling—and most anxiety-producing—action by the FBI since the bombing: the shooting to death of Tamerlan’s friend, Todashev. (See our earlier story on the head-scratching circumstances surrounding that shooting, including the questionable history of the agent who pulled the trigger.)

Some of the FBI’s aggressive tactics described in the defense document look like outright intimidation. For instance, individuals “with lawful immigration status have been detained for hours and required to surrender their electronic devices upon re-entry to the United States.”

And take a look at this excerpt:

“The investigation has been further hampered by aggressive FBI follow-up tracking and questioning of potential witnesses, as well as by the unrelenting attention of the news media.”

It is one thing to be aggressively tracking and questioning individuals suspected of committing crimes, but to be doing this to presumably innocent witnesses reeks of intimidation. Witness intimidation is a tactic ordinarily associated with mafia or drug cartel defendants.

Notably, this “tracking” must have been brought to the attention of defense lawyers by witnesses themselves, indicating overt surveillance: “We’re watching you.”

Then, farther down in the document:

“These difficult circumstances are compounded by a continuing pattern of aggressive FBI re-interviewing of potential witnesses — on occasion within hours of an attempted contact by defense investigator [emphasis added].”

Within hours of an attempted contact by defense investigator? Is the defense team being watched too? (We reached out to Tsarnaev’s defense team hoping they could expand on that, but have not yet had a response.)

1It wouldn’t be the first time the FBI was caught spying on defense lawyers in a high-profile terrorism case. Lawyers for accused 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed allege that the FBI has been surveilling them.

Whether legal counsel are being watched directly or simply getting caught up in the surveillance of Tsarnaev’s acquaintances, the effect is the same: the feds know who is talking to whom, and when.

That’s a Nice Immigration Status You Got There…

Witnesses who are not U.S. citizens—which describes the majority of Tsarnaev’s friends, family, and many in the local Muslim community—are particularly vulnerable to law enforcement manipulation. The threat of deportation is a clear and present danger to these individuals, “regardless of whether criminal charges are ever brought or proven against them,” Tsarnaev’s lawyers wrote.

2Indeed, a handful of people loosely connected to the Tsarnaevs have already been deported, or had deportation proceedings initiated against them, despite having nothing to do with the Boston Marathon bombing. These include:

- Konstantin Morozov: friend of Tamerlan, arrested and jailed pending deportation reportedly after refusing to wear a wire for the FBI as the Bureau sought information on one of Tamerlan’s Chechen friends.

- Tatiana Gruzdeva: girlfriend o
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:03 pm

http://triblive.com/mobile/6901658-96/m ... ge-records
Inaction on priest's alleged sex abuse of orphans at issue

Saturday, Oct. 4, 2014, 10:20 p.m
It began one day in 2009 with a fight among a group of boys — orphans, all of them — from the toughest, poorest streets of Honduras.

They argued about a priest, a pudgy, bespectacled older man from America who showed up now and then with gifts — offerings of cash and candy that carried a hefty price, according to Department of Homeland Security records.

Sometimes they paid by having sex with the man, records show. Other times, they showered nude, urinated or performed sex acts while he watched or took photos, records indicate.

But on that day when the boys argued about acquiescing to the Rev. Joseph D. Maurizio Jr.'s demands, an orphanage worker overheard the conversation and reported it, court records show.

Not long after, officials from the foundation running the orphanage traveled to Western Pennsylvania to report the boys' allegations to the priest's superiors at the Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown, the state Attorney General's Office and the FBI, according to records.

But four years later, Maurizio was traveling to other orphanages, so a frustrated official sent an email about the allegations to a website, bishop-accountability.org, dedicated to tracking sex abuse in the Roman Catholic Church.

Nine months later, federal agents swarmed Maurizio's church in Central City, Somerset County, and the Windber farm handed down from his parents, Italian immigrants who raised five children on a coal miner's wages.

Agents confiscated four computers, hundreds of CDs, VHS tapes, thumb drives and a loose hard drive.

Two weeks later, Maurizio, 69, was arrested, charged with exploiting children at the orphanage — allegations he said were concocted when his private foundation, Humanitarian Interfaith Ministries Inc., withdrew funding for the orphanage.

“Father Joe has maintained his innocence from the very beginning,” said his attorney, Steven Passarello. “He intends on fighting these charges.”

Local supporters stand behind the man they say started a thrift store, supplies a food pantry and is first on the scene when a family is in crisis.

“Father would do anything for anybody,” said Jane Skone, a parishioner of his Our Lady Queen of Angels Church.

Maurizio remains jailed, suspended by the diocese.

And questions linger about why church officials did not act on the allegations, and why it took five years for authorities to bring charges.

The beginning

When Maurizio moved to the Central City parish in 2003 from other assignments in the diocese, he had been visiting the Honduran orphanage for about four years, court records show.

Church bulletin items invited parishioners to accompany him to the orphanage in El Progreso, an agricultural city of 147,000 in northwestern Honduras viewed as a pass-through to the capital of Tegucigalpa.

At the orphanage, they could see boys learning skilled trades and how to read, write and manage money — useful tools in a nation stymied by an unskilled workforce and still rebuilding from a 1998 hurricane that killed nearly 6,000.

Those volunteers who could afford $500 to $1,100 for the trip could “help save some of the poor little orphaned and abandoned children who live on the streets of Honduras,” Maurizio said.

He spoke passionately about the children left parentless in the impoverished nation of 8.5 million, often a result of crime in the country that the CIA cites as having the highest homicide rate in the world.

Other bulletin entries asked parishioners to donate money to sponsor one of the orphanage's 80 children living in dormitory-style buildings.

In 2006, Maurizio formed the nonprofit Humanitarian Interfaith Ministries, records show.

Adept at fundraising, he cobbled together money from large national organizations and small offerings from parishioners, records show.

With the help of organizations such as the Knights of Columbus of Pennsylvania, contributions grew from $23,000 in the foundation's first year to $112,613 in 2012, when he listed net assets of more than $400,000, according to Internal Revenue Service filings.

Since his arrest, Knights of Columbus officials have said they are withdrawing their support and are “horrified” by the charges.

The foundation's support accounted for 50 percent of the Honduran orphanage's funding, according to Kevin Cestra, spokesman for ProNino USA, the Virginia-based nonprofit that operates the orphanage.

When ProNino officials confronted Maurizio with the boys' allegations, funding became an issue.

“He threatened to cut off our funding if we made this public,” Cestra said.

But a former ProNino official said the group's primary concern was the children.

“The first issue was protecting the children we support,” said Stephen Beer, a former ProNino USA board member.

Five-year lag

What happened in the five years since the boys' allegations were reported to ...
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:07 am

two stories

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http://www.fbicover-up.com/

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First Whitewater prosecutor says 'serious crimes' were uncovered in probe
Robert Fiske's new memoir provides fresh look at investigation into Clintons




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The first federal prosecutor to probe the financial dealings of Bill and Hillary Clinton says he was poised to bring high-profile indictments against top Arkansas political and business figures — based in part on testimony from a chief witness against the then president — when he was abruptly replaced by a panel of federal judges, throwing his investigation into turmoil.

"I was angry, frustrated and above all disappointed that I was not going to be able to carry through and finish bringing the indictments," writes Robert Fiske, a former U.S. attorney who served as the original independent counsel in charge of the Whitewater investigation, in a forthcoming memoir, "Prosecutor Defender Counselor."

Fiske — ever the punctilious prosecutor — offers no judgments on the conduct of the Clintons, nor on that of the man who replaced him, Kenneth Starr.

But in his first extensive public comments on his Whitewater investigation, in his book and in an exclusive Yahoo News interview, Fiske contends his removal had a devastating impact on the agents and prosecutors working the case: It ultimately caused the Whitewater probe to stretch on for years longer than it needed to under Starr, a conservative former federal appellate judge who had no prosecutorial experience.

"The simplest way to put it, after I was replaced, the lawyers on the staff in Arkansas said the agents for the FBI and IRS were totally demoralized," Fiske said in the Yahoo News interview. "They thought we were on the brink of doing all these great things, and now that was not going to happen."

The long-ago Whitewater probe seems likely to be revived by political foes if, as is widely expected, Hillary Clinton runs for president. (The Clinton library is due to release new documents, including some that are expected to include Whitewater files, this Friday.) For years, the Clintons have sought to portray the entire investigation as a politically inspired witch hunt, pushed by partisans hunting for any ammunition they could find to damage the president and first lady.

"I'm still waiting for them to admit that there was nothing to Whitewater," Bill Clinton said in a recent appearance.

But the new account of Fiske, a pillar of the New York legal community, offers a more complicated picture. He describes how he had quickly uncovered "serious crimes" in the Whitewater investigation but that his probe was cut short after conservatives falsely accused him of a "cover up."

"There were indictments, there were convictions," said Fiske when asked about claims that there was "nothing" to the investigation. "People went to jail. There was never any evidence that was sufficient to link the Clintons to any of it, but there were certainly serious crimes."

Appointed by Janet Reno in January 1994, Fiske describes how he moved aggressively from the start, carving out a wide-ranging mandate and hiring a top-flight staff of veteran prosecutors. One of his first moves was to subpoena Hillary Clinton's law firm billing records — documents that were later found under mysterious circumstances in the White House living quarters.

By the summer of 1994, Fiske says, he was preparing to bring eight indictments against 11 defendants, including criminal charges for fraud against Jim and Susan McDougal (the Clintons' Whitewater business partners), Webster Hubbell (then an associate attorney general and formerly Hillary Clinton's law partner) and Jim Guy Tucker (Clinton's successor as governor of Arkansas).

A key witness in these cases was David Hale, a former municipal judge and the owner of a federally subsidized small-business lending company. It was Hale who had made the most serious allegation against Bill Clinton: Hale had claimed that Clinton, while Arkansas governor, had pressured him to make a fraudulent $300,000 federally backed loan to a marketing company owned by Susan McDougal that was really intended to pay off the two couples' debts in their Whitewater real estate investment. ("My name can't show up on this," Hale claimed Clinton had told him, an account that President Clinton later denied.)

Defenders of the Clintons have long depicted Hale as an inveterate liar who was put up to his allegations by bitter political enemies of the then president and first lady.

But Fiske devotes a chapter of his book to how he cut a plea deal with Hale, titling it "An Early Breakthrough," and describing how Hale's information "moved us forward."

"You used David Hale as a witness. You believed he was credible?" Fiske was asked by Yahoo News.

"Yes, we did," Fiske replied. He noted that FBI agents and prosecutors working for him (including famed Texas trial attorney Rusty Hardin) had closely vetted Hale's story.

"He provided very valuable information to us," Fiske said about Hale.

But Hale was also a confessed felon, who had pleaded guilty to defrauding the government. "Standing alone, nobody was going to bring a case based on what he was telling us," Fiske said — unless there was corroboration from other witnesses and documents. "But from what we had seen of him, we thought the story was plausible and was certainly worth pursuing," said Fiske.

Despite Fiske's efforts to find more evidence, he soon ran afoul of conservatives in Congress and on the Wall Street Journal editorial page, who accused him of pulling his punches. In late June, he issued two reports — one clearing the Clintons and White House officials of any wrongdoing in trying to influence a regulatory agency review of Jim McDougal's savings and loan, and a second one concluding that Vince Foster, another law firm partner of Hillary Clinton's, who was serving as White House counsel, had committed suicide in Fort Marcy Park overlooking the Potomac River and was not the victim of foul play.

In his memoir, Fiske contends that the evidence that Foster took his own life was overwhelming. But Fiske writes, "conspiracy theorists" attacked his findings, suggesting that Foster may have been murdered elsewhere and his body dumped in the park. Fiske recounts how an Indiana congressman, Dan Burton, even sought to disprove his findings by shooting a watermelon in his backyard. And soon Fiske was also being accused of conflicts of interest and protecting the Clintons. "The Fiske cover up," ran the headline on one Wall Street Journal editorial.

In August 1994, just as his investigation in Arkansas was gathering steam, Fiske was jolted when a panel of three federal judges — two of them strong conservatives — removed him on the grounds that he was not independent enough (because he had been appointed by Clinton's attorney general) and replaced him with Starr.

Fiske says he sought to reassure his dejected staff. Starr "has no experience as a prosecutor, so things may move a little slower but these indictments will happen," he told them.

The indictments were ultimately brought by Starr — only in some cases more than a year after Fiske's removal, and by then, Starr was widely being depicted by the White House and its allies as a conservative partisan. In that sense, Fiske's removal may have been a turning point that ended up undermining public confidence in the entire Whitewater probe, said Ken Gormley, the dean of Duquesne University School of Law and the author of "The Death of American Virtue: Clinton vs. Starr," an exhaustive study of the investigation.

"Painting the whole thing as a witch hunt would have been much harder" if Fiske had not been replaced, said Gormley. And, he believes, Fiske would likely not have expanded the probe, as Starr did, to include Clinton's relationshi
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:31 pm

Sadly, Fruh, for the FBI to be shut down, you:

a) need to be invaded (and subjugated) by a foreign power (e.g. the collapse of Germany at the end of WW2 and the subsequent disbandment of the Gestapo)
or
b) similarly to the USSR in 1989, societal collapse followed by the demise of the Stasi

Either scenario is fairly unpleasant, but effective. :thumbsup
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:13 pm

my friend Ed Tatro has been researching the JFK assassination
for 50 years


He spoke last weekend at this conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZr7ypjNWVs



watch him in the banned documentary
the guilty men
google the title with the word jfk
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:31 am

NIA seeks special powers to go undercover: Is it a tough call for the Modi govt?



http://twocircles.net/2014oct13/1413172205.html#.VDtUYG
13 October 2014

New Delhi: The apex anti-terrorism investigative agency of India – the National Investigative Agency (NIA) – recently applied to the government for grant of special powers for conducting undercover operations in terrorism-related investigations.

As per a report published in Hindustan Times (http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... tion-see... ) the NIA was prompted to push for such a ‘radical’ move to seek protection from criminal liability taking heed from Intelligence Bureau officers who were charged by the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) in the Ishrat Jahan encounter case for their alleged undercover operation ( http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... -in-Ishr... ).

If granted, these special powers will alienate investigating officials from a criminal liability if they are found to be involved in a case, no matter if their involvement was merely for their undercover investigative agenda for unraveling the case. Prima facie it may appear that granting such powers to NIA for carrying out undercover operations – including infiltrating outfits that are deemed a threat to the national security – will help in cracking anti-national terror conspiracies.

But there is a catch to it

In a violence-prone vulnerable country such as India where a number of Muslim organizations are accused and alleged of running terror outfits, there are saffron outfits such as VHP and Bajrang Dal too that have number of times raised issues or carried out acts that are tangibly against the constitution.

So, if at all the Narendra Modi government clears this proposal, it will mean that the NIA will have powers to infiltrate these organizations and charge them for anti-national acts on the basis of established constitution and laws. The NIA has already arrested some former and current RSS members for their alleged involvement in the terror acts in Samjhauta blast, Malegaon blast, Ajmer blast and Mecca Masjid blast cases. With special powers, the NIA will be empowered to infiltrate any right wing organization for further investigation.

Chances are that the BJP-led NDA government may impede the NIA from charging any right wing activist by not providing prosecution sanction but it cannot stop NIA from carrying out the investigation through undercover operations against them. This brings forth two possibilities: the investigation records and details are liable to become public any day (most likely leaked) and second, the same records, data and details can always be used when the government of the day changes.

After all a constitutionally elected government cannot categorically direct that the NIA restrict its investigations to non-right wing outfits only. Therefore it is unlikely that the NIA’s plea will be entertained so easily by the government.

The special powers

The NIA officials, at present, are protected by the special NIA Act 2008 which was introduced immediately after its formation on December 31, 2008 soon after the 26/11 attack in Mumbai.

The said Act empowers the NIA officials to investigate into cases pertaining to anti-national matters anywhere in the country, but it does not impart the agency with any powers that can alienate its investigators from criminal liability if they themselves are found involved in such activity, even if the involvement might be merely for the undercover operation for unraveling the case.

According to the report mentioned above, an anti-terror investigator had told the HT reporter: “In absence of legal protection for undercover operators, sometimes law enforcement agencies are tempted to fabricate evidence to prove its charges against terror suspects, which results in collapse of trial against them. If undercover operations are given legal sanctity, it may help in better prosecution of terror suspects with strong evidence being brought against them in the court.”

Such safeguards are guaranteed to the FBI in USA and MI6 in the UK. The USA has empowered the FBI to infiltrate any suspicious outfit in the country for carrying out undercover operation through Patriotic Act 2001 introduced after 9/11 attack. Both these agencies have claimed to have recorded some success in unearthing terror activities through undercover operations.

The officer infiltrates a terror outfit and/or portrays as someone with contacts at the right places, claim that he can arrange explosives for the act of terror. While discussing the terror plan with an individual or a group, he actually gathers evidences and in the end, arrests the individual or the group. ‘Terror stings’ as famously described by award winning journalist US Trevor Aaranson are a common method to trap terrorist but liable to be misused.

Use or Misuse

In a write up about his book ‘Inside the Terror Factory’ published in January 2013 ( http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... revor-aa... ) Aaranson has described how the FBI has built a vast network of informants to infiltrate Muslim communities and, in some cases, cultivate phony terrorist plots. He raised a pertinent point. Questioning the modus operandi of FBI sleuths and their claims that ‘they are protecting Americans with these operations’, Aaranson asked: “But from whom? Real terrorists, or [those] who appear unlikely to have the capacity for terrorism were it not for FBI providing the opportunity and the means?”

Post 9/11 discourse in the US’s top law enforcement agency went beyond the traditional focus of investigating the crimes after they occur to an intelligence organization that tries to pre-empt crimes before they occur. Giving out examples of how unsuspecting youth – who otherwise were dimwitted enough to not even steal a car – were lured into this plot, then prosecuted and sent to jail for 20 or more years, Aaranson junks the very theory of terror stings. “How many of these would-be terrorist would have acted were it not for an FBI agent provocateur helping them? Is it possible that the FBI is creating the very enemy we fear?” he asked.

Aaranson tracked terrorism-related cases in the US and he found that “few of the more than 150 defendants indicted and convicted this way since 9/11 had any connection to terrorists, evidence showed, and those that did have connections, however tangential, lacked the capacity to launch attacks on their own. Of the more that 150 defendants, an FBI informant not only led one of every three terrorist plots, but also provided all the necessary weapons, money, and transportation.”

Understandably, the ‘infiltrator’ technique has been largely condemned by the Muslims in general and civil rights organizations as whole throughout the world but both the USA and the UK continue to impart special powers to FBI and the MI6 due to apparent results and ease in getting convictions.

The NIA in India wishes to imitate these agencies in tackling anti-national activities and hence urged the new government for empowering it in the same regard as that of FBI and MI6.

And there lies another catch

The Indian agencies are already drawing flak for unlawful arrests/detention of scores of Muslim youth on suspicion about their alleged involvement in terror activities. Fake encounter – such as that of Ishrat Jahan – is another area where too the agencies and the police in general have faced criticism for misusing the law.

So if the special powers sought are granted, in effect, going beyond a ‘fake encounter’, the ‘terror sting’ is likely to be very much misused to arrest innocent youths. Dangerous scenario for a democratic country where innocents – be they belong to right wing groups or left wing organizations or Muslim outfits – are arrested on suspicion and made accused in false cases.

This ‘special power’ will just embolden the officers.

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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:13 pm

How One Man Refused to Spy on Fellow Muslims for the FBI—And Then Lost Everything


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Arun Kundnani and Emily Keppler and Muki Najaer on


October 14, 2014 - 3:13PM ET



On the night of December 9, 2011, Siham Stewart called her husband, Ayyub Abdul-Alim, as he closed down his corner store, Nature's Garden, in Springfield, Massachusetts. She asked him to bring home a gallon of milk. A few minutes later, she watched from the window of their second-floor apartment as he was seized in the street and handcuffed by two police officers.

Forty-eight hours after Abdul-Alim's arrest, FBI agent James Hisgen and Springfield police officer Ronald Sheehan offered him the chance to walk away free of charges if he agreed to become an informant on the Muslim community. He refused the deal and is now held at the Cedar Junction maximum-security prison in Massachusetts, facing up to sixteen years behind bars.

While awaiting trial, Abdul-Alim discovered that his wife received cash payments from the FBI totaling at least $11,949. The receipts were signed by Sheehan and Hisgen. Stewart testified against Abdul-Alim in court and admitted to working as an informant. This past April, Abdul-Alim was found guilty of illegal possession of a firearm that he alleges the officers planted on him as part of their attempt to pressure him to work for the FBI.

Abdul-Alim, 36, grew up in New York City in a family of African-American and Puerto Rican heritage. Prior to his arrest, he founded and ran the Quran and Sunnah Community Center in Springfield, which offered free meals and prayer services, and Connections Transportation, which transported people to visit their loved ones in prison. He was also a small business owner, an apartment complex manager, a husband, and a father figure to Stewart's son.

His life began to change in 2010 after he returned from a three-week religious trip to Mecca. Abdul-Alim reports that he began to receive calls from James Hisgen, an agent at the FBI's Springfield field office, who asked him questions such as, "Do you love America?" and told him to call back if he was interested in working as an informant.

In early 2011, Hisgen showed up at Abdul-Alim's mosque, Masjid Al Tawheed, with two other agents. According to the Imam, Dr. Ishmael Ali, Hisgen claimed he was from the Springfield Building Department and demanded to search the mosque. Dr. Ali turned him away because he did not have a warrant. Dr. Ali recalled that in the two years leading up to his arrest, Abdul-Alim continually sought advice on how to get the FBI agents to leave him alone.

Since 9/11, a key element in the FBI's counter-terrorism tactics has been the aggressive recruitment and deployment of large numbers of informants among Muslim communities in the United States. Part of the purpose is to gather information on political or community activism, which the FBI frames as a precursor to extremist violence. But the tactics also fit a familiar pattern—one that harkens back to the FBI's history of targeting the civil rights and Black Power movements of the 1960s, when it was likewise asserted that extremist ideologues were fueling violence.

At that time, FBI agents were each expected to hire at least one informant to report on the goings-on of black people. African-Americans were watched by FBI informants everywhere they congregated: churches, bookstores, bars, restaurants, college classrooms and other gathering spots. In addition to providing information on activist leaders, the informants served as "listening posts" for blanket information on black communities.

The FBI believed that the civil rights movement was a front for Communist subversion and that the urban rebellions of black youth were instigated by Communist agitators. Systematic spying, it was thought, would help prevent riots but ultimately the purpose was to disable the growing radicalism of black America. Black Muslims—branded the "extremists" of the day—were seen as especially politicized, and prominent community figures such as Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X were placed on NSA and FBI watch lists. Nation of Islam leader Elijah Muhammad had been on the FBI's radar since World War II; in 1942, agents had arrested him on charges of draft evasion.

The best-known FBI initiative directed at the black liberation movement was COINTELPRO—short for Counterintelligence Program. It was launched in 1956 to infiltrate the Communist Party but shortly afterwards was expanded to include the ongoing surveillance of black activists. Disinformation campaigns, arrests on trumped-up charges, faked evidence, and assassinations were used to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" black movements, according to the FBI's own documents. But COINTELPRO was just one initiative within the FBI's wider surveillance and criminalization of black organizations.

Abdul-Alim's parents were themselves caught up in these longer histories of FBI surveillance. His father was active with the Black Panther Party in New York and his mother was a member of the Young Lords, the radical Puerto Rican youth group that was, like the Panthers, targeted by the FBI. Both parents were involved in the Mosque of the Islamic Brotherhood, a Harlem-based Muslim congregation founded by an associate of Malcolm X and whose attendees have faced decades of surveillance.

Today, black Muslims stand at the intersection of the War on Drugs' institutional racism and the War on Terror's institutional Islamophobia: their race frames them as prone to gang violence, their religion as a terrorist threat. Abdul-Alim's case shows the extreme measures the FBI is willing to use to pressure Muslims to work as informants on the terror war's domestic front.

On the night of his arrest, Sheehan instructed two Springfield Police officers to stop Abdul-Alim as he approached a store. According to a police radio transcript, the officers pat-frisked Abdul-Alim and told Sheehan that he was clear of any weapons. Sheehan ordered them to conduct a second search and, according to one transcript, they again responded that Abdul-Alim did not have any weapons.

Sheehan asked over the police radio, "Is the subject in earshot?" and then asked one of the officers, Angel Berrios, to step away. This is where the record ends. Abdul-Alim alleges that Berrios then pushed him against the police car, pulled down his pants and boxers, probed his testicles, spread his buttocks and yelled out, "Gun!"

The officers handcuffed Abdul-Alim and placed him in a police cruiser. Abdul-Alim alleges that Sheehan then approached the vehicle and asked, "Are you ready to make the deal of a lifetime?" When Abdul-Alim protested, he was told to "think it over" on his way to the police station.

Sheehan, who is also a member of the Springfield Joint Terrorism Task Force, immediately called his FBI supervisor to notify him of the arrest.

Forty-eight hours after the arrest, it became apparent what the "deal of a lifetime" would involve. As Abdul-Alim awaited arraignment at the Springfield police station, Sheehan and Hisgen questioned him for about an hour. Abdul-Alim recalls Hisgen saying, "You may remember I called you about a year ago requesting a meeting to discuss possible information you may have that could be helpful, but you refused to meet with me. Maybe you'll be more willing to cooperate now." At this point, Abdul-Alim recognized Hisgen as the same man who had called him for months and attempted to search his mosque. He recounted these events to The Nation from behind a plexiglass barrier in Hampton County Jail.

Abdul-Alim, who had been convicted of dealing cocaine in 2003, assumed the interrogation regarded drugs or gangs. Hisgen allegedly said, "I'm not interested in that nickel and dime shit. I want the real shit. Like terrorism shit."

"They said that I was facing ten years, but I could walk away right now if I agreed to be an informant," recalls Abdul-Alim. "They said that they would give me the names of specific people who they wanted me to target, and I would use anti-government propaganda to incite them to violent action. They implied that they would provide me with guns and bombs to give people." Hisgen and Sheehan did not record the interrogation.

Abdul-Alim refused the deal and was held at the Hampden County Correctional Center for two and a half years awaiting trial. In December 2013, the prosecution introduced a new set of charges. Police officers claimed that, shortly after Abdul-Alim's arrest, they had conducted a search of the apartment complex he managed and discovered a bag of guns in an empty suite. "They supposedly sat on this information for two years, which is definitely very unusual," said Abdul-Alim's public defense attorney, Thomas Robinson.

In April 2014, a four-day trial began on the original gun charges but it was riddled with inconsistencies. The officers could not agree on simple details, including how many times they searched Abdul-Alim, or the location and time that they allegedly found the gun. The gun was originally described by police and a ballistic expert as a .22 revolver but later identified in court as a .25 semi-automatic pistol manufactured in 1908.

A police forensics analysis conducted three days after the arrest found that there were no fingerprints on the gun. In contradiction to police procedure, the arresting officers failed to retrieve surveillance videos of the arrest scene, wear gloves while handling the weapon, or write a complete police report.

In Court, Siham Stewart testified as an informant saying she had been paid by the police and the FBI but denied that the payments were related to Abdul-Alim. She said that, whenever she was short on rent money, she would call "Ron," referring to Officer Sheehan, and he would pay her in cash. Abdul-Alim says that Stewart convinced him to sign his bank accounts and store over to her while he was in jail. She sold the store, took his money, and left.

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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:32 pm

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Senior NSA official moonlighting for private cybersecurity firm



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Patrick Dowd recruited by former NSA director Keith Alexander
Unusual for US official to work for private, for-profit company

Binary code on a laptop screen - for NSA (National Security Agency) story. Photograph by Felix Clay 10things1107
The National Security Agency has developed close ties with certain private cybersecurity businesses. Photograph: Felix Clay/The Guardian

Spencer Ackerman in Washington

Friday 17 October 2014 16.51 EDT

The former director of the National Security Agency has enlisted the US surveillance giant’s current chief technology officer for his lucrative cybersecurity business venture, an unusual arrangement undercutting Keith Alexander’s assurances he will not profit from his connections to the secretive, technologically sophisticated agency.

Patrick Dowd continues to work as a senior NSA official while also working part time for Alexander’s IronNet Cybersecurity, a firm reported to charge up to $1m a month for advising banks on protecting their data from hackers. It is exceedingly rare for a US official to be allowed to work for a private, for-profit company in a field intimately related to his or her public function.

Reuters, which broke the story of Dowd’s relationship with IronNet, reported that the NSA is reviewing the business deal.
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Since retiring from the NSA in March and entering the burgeoning field of cybersecurity consulting, Alexander has vociferously defended his ethics against charges of profiting off of his NSA credentials. Alexander was the founding general in charge of US Cyber Command, the first military command charged with defending Defense Department data and attacking those belonging to adversaries. Both positions provide Alexander with unique and marketable insights into cybersecurity.

His final year as the agency’s longest serving director was characterised by reacting to Edward Snowden’s disclosures – and the embarrassment of presiding over the largest data breach in the agency’s history – and publicly urging greater cybersecurity cooperation between the agency and financial institutions.

“I’m a cyber guy. Can’t I go to work and do cyber stuff?” Alexander told the Associated Press in August.

Alexander, whose adult life was spent in uniform, intends to file patents for what he has described obliquely as a new forecasting model for detecting network intrusions. His assurance prompted speculation that the retired general is profiting from technical sophistication that competitors who do not have a US intelligence pedigree cannot hope to replicate.
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Alexander portrayed Dowd’s unusual joint positions with the NSA and IronNet as a way for the public to keep benefitting from Dowd’s expertise, while saying less about how Alexander will profit from the same skill set.

“I just felt that his leaving the government was the wrong thing for NSA and our nation,” Alexander told Reuters.

The NSA, whose operations are almost entirely secret, has long been criticised for its close corporate ties. One long-serving official, William Black Jr, left the agency for Science Applications International Corporation, before returning in 2000 as deputy director.

While Black was in his senior position, SAIC won an NSA contract to develop a data-mining programme, called Trailblazer, that was never implemented, despite a cost of over $1bn. Whistleblowers have charged that Trailblazer killed a more privacy-protective system called ThinThread.

Black, however, did not serve simultaneously at the NSA and SAIC.

Compounding the potential financial conflicts at the NSA, Buzzfeed News reported that the home of chief of its Signals Intelligence Directorate, Teresa Shea, has a signals-intelligence consulting firm operating out of it. The firm is run by her husband James, wh
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:44 pm

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Connecticut FBI agent alleges abuses
Updated October 20, 2014 6:15 PM



FBI bosses retaliated against an agent for complaining about personnel decisions, managed by fear and were so dysfunctional that the bureau's director apologized to the Connecticut staff for problems with local leadership, according to a lawsuit filed Monday.
The agent, Kurt Siuzdak, is a lawyer and 17-year veteran of the bureau who worked in New York City and as a legal attache in Iraq before joining the New Haven field office in 2009.
In his lawsuit, Siuzdak said he was subjected to a baseless investigation when he complained he was passed over for supervisory positions. His wife, Heather Clinton, said in an interview with The Associated Press that her husband was reluctant to publicize internal FBI disputes but saw no other way to address what they see as abuses by managers who allow social affiliations to influence promotion decisions.
"This is an organization that he believes in. It's an organization that is very powerful. And he wants it to be better," she said.
Messages seeking comment on the lawsuit were left with the Connecticut FBI and the U.S. Justice Department.
In the lawsuit, Siuzdak says that FBI employment surveys in 2012 and 2013 gave the Connecticut office low ratings for leadership, employee treatment and morale. A January 2013 inspection of the office's violent crime task forces by FBI headquarters found that, in New Haven, "senior management was described as leading by fear and intimidation, negatively impacting both internal personnel and the liaison relationships with the FBI's external partners."
The lawsuit said FBI Director James Comey visited the New Haven field office near the end of last year and apologized to employees for "the failure of the FBI's executive management to correct the leadership failures" in Connecticut.
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for Connecticut, names Attorney General Eric Holder as the defendant and seeks unspecified damages for the alleged discrimination and retaliation by managers. Among other allegations of preferential treatment for favored employees, it says a manager in New Haven routinely failed to work a full eight-hour day despite receiving the FBI's version of overtime.
"It's about integrity for him," Clinton said.
Siuzdak, 49, is an Army veteran who was among the FBI agents to respond to the World Trade Center attack on Sept. 11 and later learned Arabic for two postings in Iraq.
The lawsuit says his difficulties began with the former agent in charge in New Haven, Kimberly Mertz.
Siuzdak accused Mertz of blocking his pursuit of several management positions in Connecticut, where his family has its home. After he filed an equal opportunity complaint, he said, she filed a complaint alleging he was using a bureau vehicle for personal transportation, a serious violation of FBI regulations. After an investigation, he said, he was told the claim was unsubstantiated.
When Siuzdak applied for another position this year, an FBI manager he had been working with in Washington issued a non-recommendation, saying Siuzdak had not demonstrated leadership s
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

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1 in 3 Americans are on file in the organization that assassinated President Kennedy criminal database.

Go figure,eh?

1 in 3 Americans are on file in the FBI's criminal database

The FBI has over 77.7 million Americans in its master database of criminals. And according to the Wall Street Journal, they're adding between 10,000 and 12,000 new names per day. That means that roughly one out of every three American adults has a file with the FBI.

From a new article in the Wall Street Journal about the rise of arrests in America's schools:

Over the past 20 years, prompted by changing police tactics and a zero-tolerance attitude toward small crimes, authorities have made more than a quarter of a billion arrests, the Federal Bureau of Investigation estimates. Nearly one out of every three American adults are on file in the FBI's master criminal database.

The WSJ uses this statistic within the context of the police presence in our nation's schools and tells the story of one young woman in Florida who was arrested for conducting an explosive science experiment on school property.

A science experiment that went awry turned into a 17-month battle for Kiera Wilmot and her mother as they tried to clear the honor student's arrest record. According to the police report, she was on school grounds outside the classroom trying out an experiment that hadn't been authorized by her teacher. Ms. Wilmot, now 18, said she put a piece of aluminum inside a bottle with two ounces of toilet cleaner to see what would happen. The teen's mother said she was trying to simulate a volcanic eruption.

"It popped," blowing the top off the bottle, she said. She was handcuffed by the school-resource office, escorted out of the Bartow, Fla., school and taken to a juvenile facility where she was charged with possessing or discharging firearms or weapons at school and making, throwing, possessing, projecting, placing or discharging a destructive device.
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:33 pm

The FBI came looking for me

By Scott Williams on October 25, 2014



http://www.workers.org/articles/2014/10 ... e-looking/


I am writing to let everyone know that the FBI visited my father today with the intention of questioning me about my trip to Syria as an international election observer for the 2014 Syrian presidential elections. In June 2014, I visited Syria with the objective of learning the truth about the situation there. (See article at tinyurl.com/ourqr4g)

This trip was entirely legal and well-documented. I visited, along with observers representing 32 countries. Many were members of Parliament and representatives of local governments in countries such as Bolivia, Brazil and Uganda. Since then, I have reported on my trip in public meetings at the United Nations, as well as in Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and Albany, N.Y., and in Philadelphia where I live.

Since 2007, I have been a committed anti-war activist with many organizations, including Students for a Democratic Society and the International Action Center. The FBI mentioned me as an activist with FIST (Fight Imperialism, Stand Together), in which I am one of the national coordinators.

Why is the FBI coming after me? The FBI’s attempt to question me is not only an attack on me. It is an attack on anyone who chooses to travel the world and seek a perspective that is not represented by the corporate media. The U.S. depends on misinformation and huge lies to perpetrate its crimes abroad. Yet the FBI has picked the wrong person, since I have strong friends and allies across the U.S. who will stand with me in the fight against unjust government repression.

This visit is a continuation of the FBI’s attack on anti-war and international solidarity activists. The FBI has been attempting to charge 24 anti-war and international solidarity activists with “material support of terrorism.” They are being targeted and face potentially long jail sentences. Take a moment to look at the StopFBI.net site for the Committee to Stop FBI Repression, the organization that has fought to defend these 24, as well as Palestinian activist Rasmea Odeh. This is a strong example of the political fightback that is needed to defend activists from government repression.

These activists are not alone in their treatment. Since 2001, hundreds of Muslim men in the U.S. have been victims of entrapment, harassment and false imprisonment, simply for their religion.

I strongly encourage all of my friends, co-workers and family members to look at the Center for Constitutional Rights’ booklet entitled “If an Agent Knocks.” (ccrjustice.org/ifanagentknocks). See StopFBI.net for resources on what to do if the FBI comes to your door. Most importantly, you should never agree to speak to the FBI without a lawyer present — and you really should never speak to the FBI. You can simply say, “I do not wish to speak with you. I will have my lawyer contact you,” and then close the door.

If the FBI visits, do not become fearful or silent. Let other people know immediately and speak out against government surveillance and intimidation. If you do not have a lawyer and you or a family member is contacted by the FBI, contact the National Lawyers Guild immediately — and contact other activists who have dealt with government intimidation before.

As soon as this happened, I called Sara Flounders, co-director of the International Action Center, to discuss our strategy to stop this FBI repression. We decided to make a clear statement as public as possible. We will not be silent as the government attempts to attack those who choose to speak out against unjust U.S. foreign policy. In fact, we will use any attack on my freedom to continue to build a movement against government repression. It is in this spirit that I am writing today.

As the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “The bombs in Vietnam explode at home.” With U.S. wars escalating in Syria, Iraq and beyond, we see that these wars have only caused massive devastation for the people of the world, while bringing in huge profits to a few.

Meanwhile, billions of dollars are taken away from public education and jobs, as the government has trampled on our basic civil liberties. As the activists in the Committee to Stop FBI Repression have done
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby 82_28 » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:33 pm

My advice is to quit giving a fuck about them. Let them be and let the universe play out. The FBI is here. They're watching us. But what is it they are watching? They know exactly what it is. If they don't then more power to them, they're doing their jobs.

And that's what it is. Jobs. Nobody knows how "high up" this shit goes. Sure, it sucks, but why does it suck? I feel that energy would be better placed in "where does it suck" and "how high up". It's an endemic phenomenon to make life suck. Ask that question, fruh. See what you can come up with sans the data-dumps.

There is something there, however, I feel if you want to have "impact" you need to either come clean or diversify. We can't all be having to go through these data dumps if we are to take you seriously. Lay it on us. Give us a brief autobiography as to how you have come to this point. Include poetry. Include WHY!

Not telling you what to do, just as a member of a virtual community, I'll just bet that you can muster an explantion as far as the non-stop data dumps.

There has to be a reason.
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby fruhmenschen » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:16 am

82_28 » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:33 pm wrote:My advice is to quit giving a fuck about them. Let them be and let the universe play out. The FBI is here. They're watching us. But what is it they are watching? They know exactly what it is. If they don't then more power to them, they're doing their jobs.

And that's what it is. Jobs. Nobody knows how "high up" this shit goes. Sure, it sucks, but why does it suck? I feel that energy would be better placed in "where does it suck" and "how high up". It's an endemic phenomenon to make life suck. Ask that question, fruh. See what you can come up with sans the data-dumps.

There is something there, however, I feel if you want to have "impact" you need to either come clean or diversify. We can't all be having to go through these data dumps if we are to take you seriously. Lay it on us. Give us a brief autobiography as to how you have come to this point. Include poetry. Include WHY!

Not telling you what to do, just as a member of a virtual community, I'll just bet that you can muster an explantion as far as the non-stop data dumps.

There has to be a reason.



I tend to look at shutting
down the FBI tied directly to:


1. the evolution of our species.
What happens when a species hires bodyguards to
protect them.

2. my tax dollar being used to fund a
organization that creates more disorder
than than the amount of order it gives.


If you need further explanation tell us
where you are stuck.
To be honest you were the last guy I thought
would be reading my posts.


Let me try some poesy

" I saw the best minds of my generation
starving with FBI madness
Dragging themselves through the RI
concentration camp of reason at dawn
Looking for a J Edgar Hoover fix "

nah



....gotta go
put on theGrandmaster Flash CD
"Blogging is not truth
Behavior is Truth "

Kirk over and out.....
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Re: How do we shut down the FBI?

Postby 82_28 » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:04 am

Don't go away fruh! I was just attempting to get a handle on the purpose of all these FBI data dumps. I know you've been asked many a time. I get you.

Thank you for the poem. Stick around. I wasn't trying to peace you out. I don't like feeling like a dick. I was just being straightforward.
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