It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby zangtang » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:29 am

Searcher08 wrote:if 911 was a big show, then what other things might be big shows? And of course big shows need actors..


Searcher08 wrote:Personally, I think it is a *really* tricky area, to even talk about coherently.
Why? because it can occur at an intersection between our own deeply held but unconscious biases on the one hand and people who know about these biases are are in the game of knowingly manipulating them for their own covert purposes.


fucking Rambo!

Searcher08 wrote:My intuition? that this is a combination of next generation memetic warfare and people who are mentally ill, like "DallasGoldBug" who seems to be where a lot of this started.

http://www.whale.to/c/ed_chiarini.html


yaaaah, as if i didnt have enough rabbit holes as it is! - cheers, mate!

that septemberclues (i think iwatched all of them) confused the hell out of me - hope i wasnt the only one (if you see what i mean).....do we have a sort of concensus that that was a (disinfo seems inadequate) spanner
in the works with which to divide and then, like a straw man, debunk, and then ridicule us with the wreckage?

stuff both weighty and meaty on shifting sands and thin ice. bit of poetry at the end.

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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby brainpanhandler » Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:24 pm

Searcher08 » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:40 am wrote:The OP by Robert was excellent and surely worth discussing in a way that focuses on it's original content rather than either a "Jack love-in" or a "Jack hate-in", both of which mean he is the unspoken subject of the thread , not Robert's post.


This might come as a surprise to you, though it shouldn't, but I totaly agree with you! :yay

Can we not have a rational discussion about this?


I don't know why not. Is it ok if that rational discussion includes quotes from others who have opinions on the subject?
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:12 pm

Searcher08 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:09 pm wrote:Robert, how do you think the question of investigating something like Sandy Hook could be done in a way that would be in the spirit of R.I. Or could it not be done?

Certainly I think that issues like 'no-planers' have been used to assist the 9/11 Truth Movement in imploding, yet at the same time I am aware that both pseudoskeptics and even folks like Chomsky will use similar arguments against ANY form of real 9/11 investigation - that it is much more important to focus on the crimes of the state, right here, right now.


Damn, I really want to maintain some semblance of hope as far as awakening the sheep goes. But as far as digging to uncover the truth within our little community here, I have a lot more confidence. With the Boston marathon bombing, as much as the crisis actor pushers tried to dominate the landscape, real researchers like Sibel Edmonds and especially Daniel Hopsicker uncovered intelligence links that should have proved to be an effective counterbalance to disinfo. Of course, MSM only covered the crisis disinfo and ignored any deep state connections. Same with Sandy Hook, except I don't recall any intelligence links, though confusion about the identity of the killer and questions regarding multiple killers were lost in the cacophony of "It's a hoax!" But I do have confidence that here on RI, we will in the future be able to distinguish the genuine questions from the distractions. Whether or not we can do so with the civility to refrain from questioning others sanity or intelligence, well, I appreciate your effort to make this thread a starting point.

As far as the pseudoskeptics go, it is disheartening, especially with someone as intelligent as Chomsky basically in complete alignment with the same media/corporate/state complex he's so intent on standing against when it comes to conspiracy. Their basic problem is not understanding the compartmentalization that needs to occur in order for a conspiracy to be successfully carried out. But that's a problem we need to watch out for among ourselves, just slightly in reverse: if the hypothetical scenario defies compartmentalization, it's probably false. Again, that's no excuse to attack other posters. Just because the conspiracy hoax cottage industry is, as I believe, disinformation doesn't mean that crisis actors will never under any circumstances be employed to carry a conspiracy out. But if someone here is going to use that claim in their hypothesis, I want to see on what level they see the proposed fakery being employed.
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby 82_28 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:19 pm

Maybe that's why a lot of us have gravitated to PKD and Mr. Wells. Perhaps everything is "fake". We recognize the reality, it doesn't make us paranoid, but we entertain the possibility of shit being fake in the same way we recognize it as being real. Nothing to be scared of. Just, I feel, many of us here recognize the fact that we do keep certain things into consideration, a fact in and of itself. There is no right way or a wrong way. It just is. If empathy and kindness are on your compass you really can't do wrong -- all ideas are valid. Skepticism and kindness at all times.

Perhaps, everything is fake though.
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:19 pm

82_28 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:37 pm wrote:Good write-up, SRP. However, it is not out of the realm of possibility that there are CAs. But the phenomena of it being a topic at all says something about the topic itself. We live in a time where this kind of shit has become commonplace and basically people shrug their shoulders into the blur of complacence. If all the people down at the local store were all shot to death, I could walk down there to buy something and find out what happened and then I too could play the role of a crisis actor.

What I'm getting at, is that with this steady clip of inexplicable horrors this shit perpetuates into all of us actually being actors in and of ourselves. I do think that "Oh, yeah" guy was definitely a CA on 9/11. How many times have you heard or even said "it was just like out of a movie" when something weird happens? Probably too many to count for any of us. Being a crisis actor has been "installed" in each and every one of us. This is why I say and have maintained that the events of 9/11 would have been impossible today with all the capabilities of digital phones and data uplinks. Also, the reason that they embedded reporters into the invasion of Iraq. The ubiquity of digital access to witness atrocities would have been too much to overcome.

Remember the "command center" that appeared? There was no way that that telegenic facility was built in a day. It was clearly a stage in a "studio". Remember this is when HD was just being adopted. 9/11 happened when 99% of all televisions were CRT. Yet the command center or central command or whatever the fuck they called it was souped up like a stage with a bunch of HD flatscreens of (at least for me) "you expect us to believe this shit?" If it was a stage, who were the actors manning the fancy media coverage of the outset of the "war"? Then you got Jessica Lynch and so on.

How about the charred soldiers somebody hung on the poles on the outskirts of Fallujah? Who was able to get out there and capture that? Somebody.

All I'm saying is that CAs are not out of the realm of possibility.


Thanks for coming up with some 21st century examples, 82_28, as opposed to my JFK example. Again, I think it's important to understand the level at which the phoniness occurs in these examples. With 9/11, the planes crashing into buildings were the main event, not faked. But how did those planes get there? Of the many, many wargames occurring on 9/11 to prevent interception of those planes, one exercise that sometimes gets overlooked is the Tripod II Bio-warfare exercise going on in NYC. Perhaps the real purpose of this exercise was "theatrical" - designed to give the sheeple the impression that even in the midst of total destruction, the authorities are in command! They got this!

As far as the monument to bullshit, Iraq, this is one documented case where we actually do have an "agency" employing crisis actors to fake events and we know their name: the Rendon Group. Again, it's important to look at his psy-op activities in terms of scale. He may very well have hired actors to pull down the statue of Saddam Hussein and stand around acting like cheerleaders. I don't think many Iraqis that were physically present would have been fooled, but it sure worked on John Q. Public in the good ol' USA.
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby 82_28 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:57 am

Also, had HD existed everywhere and footage was shot in HD, it would have made their screens in the "command center" (were it real) readable. Thus, this suggests there definitely are "actors".
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby BrandonD » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:04 am

82_28 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:19 pm wrote:There is no right way or a wrong way. It just is. If empathy and kindness are on your compass you really can't do wrong -- all ideas are valid. Skepticism and kindness at all times.


Excellent, I totally agree. One of the great benefits of a community like this is that a person is no longer restricted to appraising socially forbidden ideas only within the privacy of his own mind. If we are bold enough to trust the intellectual rigor and morality of the community to some degree, then the dark forest can be explored as a party, rather than strictly alone.
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby elfismiles » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:52 pm



Wanted to thank SRP for this piece.

While the whole CA thing has created way too much crapola within the "conspiracy scene" I do think the basic idea / catch-phrase is useful, as demonstrated by SRP, as a phrase describing the use of players for certain roles that might benefit this or that covert-op / psyop, etc. Not talking about whole events being staged but rather the control of a particular narrative by the key placement of certain "bad actors".

I think I touched on that in a previous CA thread...

elfismiles » 08 Jun 2014 13:27 wrote:I just don't buy it. I don't believe those 2 women are definitively the same person.

I think I should be a casting director because I often see famous people in others faces and think to myself, "hey, that guy looks a lot like Harrison Ford - if someone wants their lead actor to look like Harrison, he's there guy - never mind if they can act."

As with most deep state / parapolitical research, I want to see a proven track record of a tactic's use (preferably with a paper trail and multiple witnesses supporting said tactic) before I begin alleging or speculating on said tactic's use elsewhere.

Perhaps the first "crisis actors" were troops dressed in the uniforms of their enemies performing a covert-op meant to be observed witnesses in order to facilitate the most basic and infamous conspiracy tactic: The False Flag / Counterfeit Foe.

Or perhaps its as simple a tactic as the classic frame-up device using a "planted witness".

But in those cases it would seem that most of those "bad actors" are either believers in the cause (soldiers / mercs) or being manipulated into the role (snitches kept out of legal trouble by doing LEOs a favor and/or blackmailed into a role and urged to keep quiet under threat of death or revelations).

But the way this modern idea of "crisis acting" is employed ... I don't believe any of these people are likely to go-along with such scenarios for any length of time; for what cause ... "heightened security" ... or are they all being blackmailed into it?

And other people involved in the local news outlet would likely catch-on methinks. Camera people, reporters, office-gophers, etc. and someone would talk as they aren't likely "in on it."

While I might be able to imagine a circumstance where such an actor might be necessary to a particular covert-op, so far I've not seen an example from the Crisis Actor Crowd-Sourcing Conspiracy Community that would actually indicate a need for their performances.

Now, all those military interventionist pundits on all the msm news shows ... there are some real freakin crisis actors.

Meanwhile, yeah like you said Nordic, we have a growing crowd of knuckle-heads clouding these issues by playing a SEPARATED AT BIRTH lookalike game with anybody and everybody, furthering the post-911, post-Matrix, post-PKD simulacra surreality mindset.

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PLANTED WITNESSES

The Mammoth Book of Perfect Crimes & Impossible Mysteries
http://books.google.com/books?isbn=1780333595
Mike Ashley - 2011 - ‎Fiction
The car reached the lobby, but itseemed to arriveempty, and Bailey,the carefully planted witness, noticed nothing. “In the meantime, Kimball stepped fromthe ...

Philippine Daily Inquirer - Jul 5, 2001
Is Ador a 'planted' witness? AUTHORITIES should view with suspicion the allegations of a guy who hid behind the name ador to purportedly expose the ...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2 ... 9,41688861

May 5, 2010 19:56 IST
Aradhana was a planted witness, claims Rathore’s lawyer
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 422551.ece

Deadly Farce: Harvey Matusow and the Informer System in ...
http://books.google.com/books?isbn=0252028864
Robert M. Lichtman, ‎Ronald D. Cohen - 2004 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
43. New York Times, Feb. 4, 1955 ("Matusow Termed 'Planted' Witness"), Feb. 6, 1955, sec. 4 ("Repentant Matusow"); Director to Asst. Atty. Gen. Tompkins, Feb.



But for now I wanna throw down here some links / notes:

* - Rational Wiki's entry for the term says "Although "crisis actors" are a real thing used for disaster drills,[1] and there are real companies that supply them,[2]"
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crisis_actor

* - ... the two citations they give have been discussed here I believe but the allegedly "real" Crisis Actors company website is now apparently offline but may still be accessed via archive.org's cache (late 2012 being their apparent first crawl of the site):
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://crisisactors.org
https://web.archive.org/web/20121223001335/http://crisisactors.org/
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm ... actor_ama/

* - tried to use Google Trends to trace the "crisis actor" meme back as far as possible but they pretty much show it as emerging in 2013:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q= ... 20actor%22

* - I think we can all agree that, whether or not that particular "Crisis Actor" website was real, the countless continual training exercises and drills, especially the "active shooter drills" prevalent at schools etc. absolutely employ both paid and volunteer people to play act various roles for those training exercises. Below are just a few that come to mind...


Boston Is One of the Best Prepared U.S. Cities to Handle a Crisis
The city conducted vivid, citywide disaster simulations in 2011 and 2012.
Henry Grabar | Apr 19, 2013
http://www.citylab.com/politics/2013/04 ... isis/5308/

The drills are intended to be strikingly lifelike. Urban Shield has worked with Strategic Operations, a Hollywood effects company that also helps prepare army medics for the battlefield. (Their disaster scenario staff, Baker says, include an amputee.) With a generous helping of moulage, their drills aim to force officials to confront both the logistical and atmospheric challenges of a disaster.


Amputee Veterans Serving as CAs in these exercises:

Amputees Make War Training Realistic for Service Men and Women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNsbrMPL1eM
Dec 12, 2012 - Uploaded by KCETSoCalConnected
At one military training center, amputees act as victims in war simulations. ... Amputee veteran says reliving ...
http://www.kcet.org/shows/socal_connect ... women.html

Amputee veteran says reliving IED explosions in training exercises eases his PTSD
Video for amputee veteran acts as victim in training ► 2:11
Mar 27, 2013 - Uploaded by ABC 10 News
An amputee veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder is playing a major role in military training drills by ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlp1C1MxBs0

Simulated battlefield uses amputee actors | HLNtv.com
Video for amputee veteran acts as victim in training►►
Dec 4, 2012
Owner Kit Lavell is a Vietnam vet and calls the training environment ... of U.S. servicemen and women for ...
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/11/29/b ... tee-actors

Joel Booth: Brave veteran who lost his leg in Afghan blast is now an amputee actor helping to prepare recruits for the realities of war (Video)
Video for amputee veteran acts as victim in training ► 2:44
Mar 25, 2013
The founders of the group, which has trained hundreds of thousands of troops ... 'Solace': The former medic ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-war.html


Canada to Attack DC with Al-Qaeda
http://www.psiopradio.com/2009/09/psiop ... ks-090913/

Canada to stage mock Afghan attack in Washington
Paul Koring
Washington — From Friday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Sep. 04 2009, 6:14 AM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Aug. 23 2012, 12:36 PM EDT
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le1275341/

It's Artificial Afghanistan: A Simulated Battlefield in the Mojave Desert
An hour northeast of Barstow, California, there's an army base the size of Rhode Island, complete with a fake Afghan town known as Ertebat Shar.
Geoff Manaugh & Nicola TwilleyMay 18 2013, 7:48 AM ET
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a ... _page=true

Canadians scale back planned military demo in DC
https://web.archive.org/web/20140331160112/http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=11117273&nav=menu554_2_4

Canada plans mock IED attacks in Washington, D.C.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090909211434/http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/canada-plans-mock-ied-attacks-in-washington-dc/


Here's some video shot by my friends Mack and Sara of a disaster drill (and the protest of same) at the University of Texas circa 2002:

UT Disaster Drill 10/17/02 and AntiWar Protest pt1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_0PfUzidrg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxt_73VTn_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVLcpSjz1o

Primary video investigation footage for Mack White's article in AustinParaTimes #5: To Keep You Safe: How an Oil-Rich University Promotes an Oil War.


... in that case they had fake / dummy bodies and some live actors ... plus their confrontation with a Suit-Nazi.


Or how about this creepy video where one of the kid participants in an active shooter school drill has participated MANY times...

School Shooting PsyOp Drills Thread

elfismiles » 07 Mar 2014 02:33 wrote:Some seriously fucked up shit ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsXlYxuFZW4

Fake Blood and Blanks: Schools Stage Active Shooter Drills
By Nona Willis Aronowitz
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fak ... lls-n28481
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:31 pm

How about the charred soldiers somebody hung on the poles on the outskirts of Fallujah? Who was able to get out there and capture that? Somebody.


It's a small detail, but: holy what the fuck are you talking about? Do you think we're using time travel to insert troops in Iraq? Do you think Americans have some kind of monopoly on digital camera technology?

Who was able to get out there and capture that? How about the people who planned and executed the attack?

This reminds me of our recent conspiracy theory outbreak surrounding the question "How do people even go outside in the desert without US technology and training?"
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby 82_28 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:35 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:31 pm wrote:
How about the charred soldiers somebody hung on the poles on the outskirts of Fallujah? Who was able to get out there and capture that? Somebody.


It's a small detail, but: holy what the fuck are you talking about? Do you think we're using time travel to insert troops in Iraq? Do you think Americans have some kind of monopoly on digital camera technology?

Who was able to get out there and capture that? How about the people who planned and executed the attack?

This reminds me of our recent conspiracy theory outbreak surrounding the question "How do people even go outside in the desert without US technology and training?"


I don't even know how to respond other than to respond. I am talking time travel, totally. Totally. Umm.

No.

Digital cameras -- a monopoly on? No.

Dressing up in all black in the desert being a functional way to dress when it is 118 degrees outside? No, don't buy it. The dude was British as well apparently so that point proves itself as something to think about as far as veracity and added CT plot twist.

Fallujah and "time travel". My point was and I probably didn't make it all that clear, is that it was a totally notable event -- I think the guys were mercenaries and not US troops come to think of it -- as it was reported. Grotesque and gave "the forces" carte blanche to decimate that city with depleted uranium. Who couldn't go along? Am I saying the bodies strung up on the poles were "crisis actors"? Again, no, but before that happened to them they were playing a role and didn't know it other than what they were getting paid for and their orders.

Sure, tons of conflation. Just not out of the realm of possibility. That was my "point".
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82_28 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:35 pm wrote:
I am talking time travel, totally.





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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:52 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:19 pm wrote:As far as the monument to bullshit, Iraq, this is one documented case where we actually do have an "agency" employing crisis actors to fake events and we know their name: the Rendon Group. Again, it's important to look at his psy-op activities in terms of scale. He may very well have hired actors to pull down the statue of Saddam Hussein and stand around acting like cheerleaders. I don't think many Iraqis that were physically present would have been fooled, but it sure worked on John Q. Public in the good ol' USA.


elfismiles » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:52 pm wrote:While the whole CA thing has created way too much crapola within the "conspiracy scene" I do think the basic idea / catch-phrase is useful, as demonstrated by SRP, as a phrase describing the use of players for certain roles that might benefit this or that covert-op / psyop, etc. Not talking about whole events being staged but rather the control of a particular narrative by the key placement of certain "bad actors".


Way, way, waaaaay too much crapola (crapola being a kind word. Helpful-to-lying-evil-bastards might be more accurate). Why attach quite likely real incidents of bad guy disinfo/misdirection tactics/psyops tactics to the Crisis Actor meme at all? I mean we might be able to usefully hold these ideas apart in our minds here, but wouldn't it be in the service of the bad guys to conflate the two in general? And this might seem nitpicky to some, but crisis actor has a particular denotation if one takes 'crisis' to mean, crisis; as in terrorist attacks/mass shootings/bombings where there is a crisis and there are victims (to be played in whole or in part by actors). How can the wag the dog shitshow that was the toppling of the Saddam statue be called a 'crisis'. Why call anyone involved in it a 'crisis' actor and mix such a clear cut example of psyops with the crapola? Doesn't that serve the interests of the disinfoteers and muddy the waters further? Words do matter, don't they?
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby elfismiles » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:27 pm

Well, have you successfully eliminated use of the phrase "conspiracy theory" or other off-limits / co-opted by TPTB words and phrases?

If so, congrats!

I get your point. But perhaps as we elaborate our own Parapolitical Lexicon we can recognize and denote the origins and use/misuse of such coopted language to better explain ourselves to those who so often use the same words without the level of background we are steeped in.

brainpanhandler » 17 Sep 2014 16:52 wrote:
stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:19 pm wrote:As far as the monument to bullshit, Iraq, this is one documented case where we actually do have an "agency" employing crisis actors to fake events and we know their name: the Rendon Group. Again, it's important to look at his psy-op activities in terms of scale. He may very well have hired actors to pull down the statue of Saddam Hussein and stand around acting like cheerleaders. I don't think many Iraqis that were physically present would have been fooled, but it sure worked on John Q. Public in the good ol' USA.


elfismiles » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:52 pm wrote:While the whole CA thing has created way too much crapola within the "conspiracy scene" I do think the basic idea / catch-phrase is useful, as demonstrated by SRP, as a phrase describing the use of players for certain roles that might benefit this or that covert-op / psyop, etc. Not talking about whole events being staged but rather the control of a particular narrative by the key placement of certain "bad actors".


Way, way, waaaaay too much crapola (crapola being a kind word. Helpful-to-lying-evil-bastards might be more accurate). Why attach quite likely real incidents of bad guy disinfo/misdirection tactics/psyops tactics to the Crisis Actor meme at all? I mean we might be able to usefully hold these ideas apart in our minds here, but wouldn't it be in the service of the bad guys to conflate the two in general? And this might seem nitpicky to some, but crisis actor has a particular denotation if one takes 'crisis' to mean, crisis; as in terrorist attacks/mass shootings/bombings where there is a crisis and there are victims (to be played in whole or in part by actors). How can the wag the dog shitshow that was the toppling of the Saddam statue be called a 'crisis'. Why call anyone involved in it a 'crisis' actor and mix such a clear cut example of psyops with the crapola? Doesn't that serve the interests of the disinfoteers and muddy the waters further? Words do matter, don't they?
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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby norton ash » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:37 pm

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Re: It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Acting)

Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:51 pm

elfismiles » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:27 pm wrote:But perhaps as we elaborate our own Parapolitical Lexicon we can recognize and denote the origins and use/misuse of such coopted language to better explain ourselves to those who so often use the same words without the level of background we are steeped in.


Not 'perhaps', but hell yes. I could not agree more. Hopefully I did not accidentally suggest otherwise.

And part of that discussion then would need to be the pitfalls of the language we use/are forced to use, all the while remaining aware of two different worlds, our abstractions about the world and how they interact with other people's abstractions, and the 'real' world. You can't have a conversation about this without falling into it's inherent pitfalls. Most everyone lacks the cognitive/informational wherewithal to navigate their way out of or even recognize they are in an information hall of mirrors. Boring as it is, for instance, at least 'conspiracy theory' has the virtue of literally denoting what is meant. 'crisis actor' when applied to the toppling of the saddam staute, to stick with the same example, does not. How and why what is brought to mind by certain phrases and words is a complex question. Though the inherent complexity of information/language processing/heuristics is compounded by deliberate attempts to control the language and therefore the message and therefore the memeplex of consensus thought patterns/abstractions, nonetheless or perhaps especially, the antidote is simplicity. We need to remind ourselves of that it seems to me. Clarity of thought and analysis and therefore understanding and therefore communication (building and elaborating a parapolitical lexicon that is more than just useful in an insular little thought bubble) requires a considered use of language, some of which, to one of your points, may never be rebranded, but for our purposes, if those be broader understanding, have to be recognized as helpful to evil, lying bastards. Maybe we can't help that, but we need to be aware of it. Not least of which, because there's an information war going on. Even here.
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