Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radicals

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Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radicals

Postby 12#4 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:01 pm

I read with interest from numerous Canadian and U.S. sources that a "radicalized" individual (the quotes appear in all sources I viewed) carried out a vehicular attack in a parking lot yesterday, injuring 2 military personnel (1 in our uniformed gear) one of whom died.

The suspect entered into a high-speed chase with police, crashed his vehicle, exited and was shot multiple times and then died. Some of yesterday's reports (now "edited") indicated he exited with hands up. All of today's reports I viewed emphasize he approached officers with a knife. Initial reports can be misleading I suppose, or perhaps even later ones?

-It is not so much that our own Prime Minister's office declared this to be a domestic terror event yesterday, before the police spokesman was able to state anything to the public via press release about the now deceased suspect. Even an opposition leader commented on the strangeness of this.

-It is not so much that our parliament had been briefed in the summer by two intelligence agencies about domestic radicals and the threat they pose when immigrating or emigrating,

-It is not so much that new powers to track these domestic radicals are being debated in parliament right now, surely to appear in omnibus bills full of unrelated but important legislation which will be rubber-stamped, with no review or language to protect against unwarranted surveillance of us all.

-It is interesting that we have recently deployed soldiers, materiel and other war efforts against the latest shadowy terror group to emerge in former Babylon.

-It is interesting that in every instance of radicalization, police/intelligence "know" the suspects, "profile" them and are "aware of them", sometimes through the use of confidential informants or double agents.

-It is interesting that in every instance of radicalization, the suspects are often described as new and zealous converts to the muslim faith.

-It is very interesting that the most recent suspect had a Twitter (no tweets, apparently following "ISIS inspired individuals") and Facebook account, with self-photos presented in the media not in any way appearing to portray a conservative looking religious convert nor a zealot.

What can be done to break the level of cognitive dissonance the establishment would place in one's mind in order to perceive these official accounts as entirely factual, never contradictory and beyond suspicion in any manner of timing, content and execution of a particualr agenda?
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Re: Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radi

Postby elfismiles » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:40 am

links or details for context would be appreciated ...

Is this the incident you are referring to?

Man Who Killed Soldier with Car Was Radical Muslim, Say Authorities
NBCNews.com-Oct 21, 2014
The man who allegedly drove his car into two Canadian soldiers, ... allegedly ran down the two soldiers as they walked in the parking lot ... high-speed chase, which ended when his car flipped over in a ditch. ... Authorities said Rouleau had “tangential links” to other radicalized individuals known to officials.

Driver who ran over two Canadian soldiers near Montreal 'had ...
National Post-Oct 20, 2014
TRENDINGTrudeau | Ebola | Magnotta | ISIS | Ford | iPad | NHL | Apple | Iraq | Hong Kong ... Police shot a driver after he ran over two Canadian soldiers in a mall parking lot, ... “The individual who struck the two CAF members with his car is ... are clear indications that the individual had become radicalized.

Martin Couture-Rouleau, hit-and-run driver, arrested by RCMP in July
CBC.ca-7 hours ago
Martin Couture-Rouleau, Quebec driver shot by police, 'radicalized': ... killed by police following a high-speed chase as he fled the scene. ... the parking lot for at least two hours before he drove his car into the soldiers — one of whom was in uniform. The parking lot in St-Jean-sur-Richelieu, located about 40 ...
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Re: Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radi

Postby Lord Balto » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:52 pm

What can be done to break the level of cognitive dissonance the establishment would place in one's mind in order to perceive these official accounts as entirely factual, never contradictory and beyond suspicion in any manner of timing, content and execution of a particualr agenda?


Simple enough. Don't believe anything the government says.

What I find interesting is the ability of the police to read the mind of someone engaged in what would normally be considered a traffic accident. Clearly, this was planned in advance and the stooge already picked out. Yet the news media is so entirely brain dead that it never even occurs to the stooges to ask the obvious questions.
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Re: Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radi

Postby 82_28 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:23 pm

This is so rad! How the fuck does one become "radicalized" in the way that is seen fit to fit the bill of the .gov's gameplan? Wouldn't you do everything in your power to NOT BE RADICAL if your designs were on being "radical"? We're talking about crazies here, yo!

LONE WOLVES, RADICALS ETC. The world is filled with them!

Not in my day to day experience. People are people. Most do not want this at all. Someone, somewhere does.
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Re: Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radi

Postby American Dream » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:34 pm

12#4 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:01 pm wrote:What can be done to break the level of cognitive dissonance the establishment would place in one's mind in order to perceive these official accounts as entirely factual, never contradictory and beyond suspicion in any manner of timing, content and execution of a particualr agenda?


I'm not sure what you're thinking or suggesting exactly but isn't it possible that the State has simply got the Internet well covered?- and/or has shady people practicing "coercive persuasion?

Not sure what you're thinking- but just raising the possibilty that this being rooted in the more mundane types of conspiration, if indeed there was any National Security State conspiration behind it at all
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Re: Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radi

Postby elfismiles » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:54 pm

I know we're all non-violent yo but seriously ... doesn't take a lot of imagination to understand how this shit inspires folks:

Times Square Terror: Drone Payback?
By Noah Shachtman / 05.05.10

Faisal Shahzad tried to bomb Times Square as payback for American drone attacks in Pakistan.

That’s what the New York Post is reporting, at least. The tabloid, relying on anonymous “law-enforcement sources,” says that Shahzad was an “eyewitness” to the unmanned “onslaught throughout the eight months he spent in Pakistan beginning last summer.”

In a video made prior to the attack, the Pakistani Taliban leader Qari Hussain Mehsud said “the attack is a revenge” for “the recent rain of drone attacks,” and for the slaying of extremist leaders in Iraq and Pakistan.

http://www.wired.com/2010/05/times-squa ... e-payback/



Cutting the Fuse: The Explosion of Global Suicide Terrorism and How to Stop It coauthored by Robert Pape
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82_28 » 23 Oct 2014 17:23 wrote:This is so rad! How the fuck does one become "radicalized" in the way that is seen fit to fit the bill of the .gov's gameplan? Wouldn't you do everything in your power to NOT BE RADICAL if your designs were on being "radical"? We're talking about crazies here, yo!

LONE WOLVES, RADICALS ETC. The world is filled with them!

Not in my day to day experience. People are people. Most do not want this at all. Someone, somewhere does.
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Re: Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radi

Postby elfismiles » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:55 pm

Indeed, what we know for sure is our intel types love to radicalize and entrap and cajole folks into doing stupid violent shit.

American Dream » 23 Oct 2014 17:34 wrote:
12#4 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:01 pm wrote:What can be done to break the level of cognitive dissonance the establishment would place in one's mind in order to perceive these official accounts as entirely factual, never contradictory and beyond suspicion in any manner of timing, content and execution of a particualr agenda?


I'm not sure what you're thinking or suggesting exactly but isn't it possible that the State has simply got the Internet well covered?- and/or has shady people practicing "coercive persuasion?

Not sure what you're thinking- but just raising the possibilty that this being rooted in the more mundane types of conspiration, if indeed there was any National Security State conspiration behind it at all
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Re: Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radi

Postby 12#4 » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:49 pm

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In wake of Ottawa attacks, Toronto police drill for disaster
About 100 police, firefighters and other emergency workers held a disaster-response drill in downtown Toronto’s deserted financial district on Sunday following a week that saw two soldiers killed on Canadian soil.
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Security in normally relaxed Canada has been tighter in the days since a gunman shot dead a soldier in Ottawa before charging into the parliament building and another man ran over two soldiers with a car, killing one, outside Montreal.
Toronto emergency responders donned oxygen tanks and yellow full-body hazardous material suits shortly after dawn, set up decontamination tents and practiced how they would respond in an office tower that had received a suspicious package.

The drill had long been planned and was not a reaction to the twin attacks that police said had been carried out by men they described as home-grown radicals, officials said.

Some acknowledged that it took on a more urgent tone in the wake of those incidents.

“We had to be very specific with our strategic briefing after what happened in Ottawa,” said Daniel Martin, a staff sergeant with the Toronto Police Department, as fireman ran hoses across a plaza outside an office tower across the street from the Toronto Stock Exchange.
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Re: Pre-crime detect rate approaching 100% for domestic radi

Postby 12#4 » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:51 pm

elfismiles » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:55 pm wrote:Indeed, what we know for sure is our intel types love to radicalize and entrap and cajole folks into doing stupid violent shit.

American Dream » 23 Oct 2014 17:34 wrote:
12#4 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:01 pm wrote:What can be done to break the level of cognitive dissonance the establishment would place in one's mind in order to perceive these official accounts as entirely factual, never contradictory and beyond suspicion in any manner of timing, content and execution of a particualr agenda?


I'm not sure what you're thinking or suggesting exactly but isn't it possible that the State has simply got the Internet well covered?- and/or has shady people practicing "coercive persuasion?

Not sure what you're thinking- but just raising the possibilty that this being rooted in the more mundane types of conspiration, if indeed there was any National Security State conspiration behind it at all


Intelligence services knew and profiled both the hyphenated-name assailants, this much is clear. Hence my title that pre-crime detect rates are approaching 100%. What would be newsworthy is if the individual was not previously known, but there may be another "script" for that happening.
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