This scientist thinks cancer can be prevented (no eat meat)

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This scientist thinks cancer can be prevented (no eat meat)

Postby jingofever » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:05 am

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The professor emeritus in nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University said research has proven that consumption of animal products, including meat, fish and dairy, triggers chronic diseases and impaired health and poses a greater risk than heredity or environment. He has linked casein, a protein in milk, with breast cancer. His lifelong professional focus has been cancer and nutrition, and Campbell says that our national and global fight with cancer has targeted the wrong enemy.


“Diet can be used to prevent and reverse cancer just like it prevents and reverses heart disease,” he said. “A diet high in animal protein increases the amount of carcinogens going to the cells. It increases the enzyme MFO (mixed function oxidase) that causes increased carcinogenic activity.”

In the lab, Campbell has shown that increasing consumption of animal protein alters MFO and activates cancer while decreasing consumption detoxifies cancer. A high protein diet derived from animal products increases cell replication and increases oxygen free radicals associated with cancer and aging.


“High-protein bars are crazy,” Campbell said. “Plants alone can easily provide all the protein we need.”


Protein, sure, but what about B-12? Owsley Stanley said the opposite, that we should all eat nothing but meat and that plants are toxic, and eating only meat and dairy will prevent cancer. One man is a nutritional biochemist who teaches at Cornell, the other was the sound man for the Grateful Dead and cooked up a lot of LSD.

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:19 am

So easy to falsify with a few moments of thought it is rather stunning Campbell exerted the effort to pursue, let alone publish, the idea.

I'm not saying carnivorous eating habits come with no health complications -- just responding with peals of screaming laughter to the notion cancer is linked to eating meat, in 2014, with so much published documentation re: the link between environmental toxins and cancer. The most fastidious vegetarians are still swimming in industrial waste every day of their lives.

This guy's naivete is a promising source for infinitely renewable energy, though.
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Postby Lord Balto » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:21 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:19 am wrote:So easy to falsify with a few moments of thought it is rather stunning Campbell exerted the effort to pursue, let alone publish, the idea.

I'm not saying carnivorous eating habits come with no health complications -- just responding with peals of screaming laughter to the notion cancer is linked to eating meat, in 2014, with so much published documentation re: the link between environmental toxins and cancer. The most fastidious vegetarians are still swimming in industrial waste every day of their lives.

This guy's naivete is a promising source for infinitely renewable energy, though.


How do statistics constitute naivete?

The problem is we are not talking about some abstract cow living in the Garden of Eden drinking pure mountain water from Mt. Atlas and eating pure grass grown in the subtropical sunshine of pre-Saharan Africa. We're talking about a cow injected with antibiotics and hormones and god knows what else, eating grass that does not even pretend to be tested by the FDA to the point that there have been 500 extraneous chemicals identified in a single piece of meat.

But go right ahead. Keep fooling yourself. Eat lots of meat. We'll really miss you. :-(
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Re: This scientist thinks cancer can be prevented (no eat me

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:36 pm

Q: "How do statistics constitute naivete?"
A: Ask an economist.

How does removing a single factor constitute a cure? Not eating meat will prevent cancer is the claim here. It won't.
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Re: This scientist thinks cancer can be prevented (no eat me

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:37 pm

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Gladiators were 'mostly vegetarian'
By Sean Coughlan
BBC News education correspondent
BBC TV. Colosseum: Rome's Arena of death
Gladiators were more likely to be in the queue for the vegetarian option
Roman gladiators had a diet that was mostly vegetarian, according to an analysis of bones from a cemetery where the arena fighters were buried.

The study has been carried out by academics from the Medical University of Vienna in Austria and the University of Bern in Switzerland.

They found the gladiator diet was grain-based and mostly meat-free.

The examination of gladiator bones also found evidence they drank a drink made from plant ashes.

This ash drink was a form of health-boosting tonic to help gladiators recover after fighting and training.

Ashes to ashes
"Plant ashes were evidently consumed to fortify the body after physical exertion and to promote better bone healing," says Fabian Kanz, from the department of forensic medicine at the Medical University of Vienna.

He said it was like the way "we take magnesium and calcium, in the form of effervescent tablets, for example, following physical exertion".

Replica gladiator helmet
A replica gladiator helmet in a museum in Frankfurt
The conclusions about this ash drink were based on measuring levels of strontium in the gladiators' bones.

The bone analysis was based on excavations of the graves of 22 gladiators from about 1,800 years ago in the Roman town of Ephesus, now in Turkey.

The bones revealed that the typical food eaten by gladiators was wheat, barley and beans - and this echoed the contemporary term for gladiators as the "barley men".

There was little sign of meat or dairy products in the diet of almost all of these professional fighters, who performed in front of Roman audiences.

But there were bones from two people that seemed to have a different pattern, revealing a diet much higher in animal protein and lower in beans and pulses.

This could show there were gladiators originally from other parts of the Roman empire who had a different type of diet.

And the next stage of the research will be to use the analysis of the bones to look for where gladiators might have once lived.

The researchers say that gladiators were mainly prisoners of war, slaves and condemned offenders. But there were also people who volunteered to train and take part in contests.

They estimate that men taking part in gladiator contests had a one-in-nine chance of being killed, each time they fought.
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Re: This scientist thinks cancer can be prevented (no eat me

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:27 pm

The examination of gladiator bones also found evidence they drank a drink made from plant ashes.

This ash drink was a form of health-boosting tonic to help gladiators recover after fighting and training.


Fascinating detail. I wonder what kind of plants?

I recall a military historian arguing that Roman soldiers were also vegetarians -- I also recall a Hans Rosling lecture where me pointed out that, by simple necessity, most human beings have been primarily vegetarian throughout the history of the species. Easy to forget how rare and improbable our current definitions of "normal" are, here in the final days of the empire.
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Re: This scientist thinks cancer can be prevented (no eat me

Postby Laodicean » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:44 pm

Lord Balto » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:21 pm wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:19 am wrote:So easy to falsify with a few moments of thought it is rather stunning Campbell exerted the effort to pursue, let alone publish, the idea.

I'm not saying carnivorous eating habits come with no health complications -- just responding with peals of screaming laughter to the notion cancer is linked to eating meat, in 2014, with so much published documentation re: the link between environmental toxins and cancer. The most fastidious vegetarians are still swimming in industrial waste every day of their lives.

This guy's naivete is a promising source for infinitely renewable energy, though.


How do statistics constitute naivete?

The problem is we are not talking about some abstract cow living in the Garden of Eden drinking pure mountain water from Mt. Atlas and eating pure grass grown in the subtropical sunshine of pre-Saharan Africa. We're talking about a cow injected with antibiotics and hormones and god knows what else, eating grass that does not even pretend to be tested by the FDA to the point that there have been 500 extraneous chemicals identified in a single piece of meat.

But go right ahead. Keep fooling yourself. Eat lots of meat. We'll really miss you. :-(


The horse meat here in Switzerland is particularly tasty. Along with the free range beef and poulet sans injections. Eat that, bitch (with a healthy side of Non-GMO greens). Viva Les Farmers Markets!
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Postby Perelandra » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:01 pm

My tangent has nothing to do with cancer causes, but noting that anthropology indicates omnivorously evolved humans. With a side of history from the food timeline, which is awesome.
I have often noticed child-sized adults here, assuming emigration from Central America and lives of deficient diets.

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What Can the Diet of Gorillas Tell Us About a Healthy Diet for Humans?
Posted on February 17, 2004 by H. Leon Abrams, Jr. • 0 Comments

One of the arguments proffered by vegetarians is that our primate ancestors were vegetarians and, to be healthy, we should eat the same kind of diet.

An article entitled “The Western Lowland Gorilla Diet Has Implications For the Health of Humans and Other Hominids,” which appeared in a recent issue of Human and Clinical Nutrition, makes this argument. With reference to the authors’ study of the vegetarian diet of gorillas, the research is sound, but to claim that humans would be better off with a vegetarian diet like that of the gorillas is spurious and equivocal.

One misconception about the gorilla diet is that it contains no animal products. On the contrary, all of the great ape groups take in some animal protein, whether overtly or inadvertently, by consuming insects, insect eggs and the larvae that nest on the plants and fruits they eat. In her pioneering work on chimpanzees, Jane Goodall discovered to her amazement, and to the amazement of the rest of the world, that chimpanzees kill and eat monkeys and make a tool to extract termites from their hills (homes), and that they went to considerable effort to obtain these foods. It is also significant that meat is the only food they share with other chimpanzees.

All monkeys, lemurs and apes are classified as vegetarians and/or fruitivores, but they consume a small amount of animal protein by unconsciously eating the small insects, their eggs and larvae on the plant foods they select to eat. The National Zoo in Washington, D.C. tried to breed the near extinct fruitivorian South American golden marmoset in captivity with no result, but when a little animal protein was added to their diet, they began to breed, which proves that they require a small amount of animal protein to be healthy and reproduce.

With the exception of humans, the native habitat of all the primates is in the tropics. By contrast, for thousands of years, humans have inhabited all the land masses of the world, except for Antarctica. The first humans, the Australopithecines, circa 2 million years ago, were omnivorous. Recently, some researchers, in examining their fossil teeth, have claimed that the Australopithecines were vegetarians; but the evidence indicates they were omnivorous. It is clear that by the time “humans” evolved, from Homo erectus through to what is now considered “modern” humans, such as Cro-Magnon man, humans were primarily meat eaters. According to J. Brownoski, (The Ascent of Man), it was meat-eating that led to the rise of modern man. Homo erectus invented stone tools for hunting big game which led to the invention of more advanced stone tools by Cro-Magnon to modern humans.

It was the quest for meat that led Homo sapiens to colonize the world. They followed the herds of animals. When overpopulation caused the animal food supply to dwindle, many moved on, from tropical Africa to North Africa, Asia, Europe, the Americas and Australia. They walked and adapted to the cold climates and were able to do so because meat is compact energy, and one kill of a mammoth or other big game could feed many people and lasted for a long period of time; whereas gathering plants and fruits to eat was seasonal. Until the early part of the 20th century there were peoples who lived almost entirely on animal food. For example, the Eskimos of North America and Lapps of Scandinavia lived almost entirely on animal protein and were very healthy.

However, when we refer to meat, remember that meat entails fats which are necessary for sound health. The protein and minerals in the meat cannot be utilized without the nutrients in the fat. Both Steffanson and Brody, who spent time with the Eskimos and Indians of North America, reported that these people saved the fat from game animals and always ate their meat with fat.

The Eskimos ate raw meat, which is very healthy, but there is a caveat for modern society: fresh meat often contains bacteria and parasites that can cause illness, and even death, therefore it is recommended by the government that all meat should be cooked well enough to kill all such pollutants.

Humans only turned to plant foods as major food sources when, due to the ever-increasing human population, herds of animals became scarce. They learned to domesticate some animals and invented agriculture.

Humans learned to use fire, to any extent, in the Paleolithic age. Cooking certainly was necessary, because grains cannot be eaten raw. It is also interesting to note that when humans began eating a diet high in grains, the incidence of tooth decay increased considerably. Tooth decay increased dramatically when refined grains (wheat and rice) became staple diets for a large percentage of the world’s population.

For normal growth and sound health throughout life, the human species requires eight amino acids which their bodies cannot manufacture, vitamin B12 and some essential minerals. The only viable source of these amino acids and of vitamin B12 is animal protein such as red meat, fish, shell fish, eggs, milk, insects and worms. The lack of these amino acids results in serious illnesses. For example, kwashiokor is a deficiency disease which impedes the normal development of vital brain cells and stunts growth. People may be getting all they need to eat to satisfy their hunger from grains and other plant foods. They may even become plump on a diet of grains, but their normal growth and development is stunted. For instance, some Maya Indian peasant groups of Guatemala primarily have only corn, beans and squash to eat. They like meat, but are too poor to purchase meats or raise animals. Feeding domesticated animals would sacrifice land needed to grow the grains on which they subsist. This condition is common over much of the world.

Unlike humans, the digestive tract of gorillas is equipped to manufacture the essential amino acids and other vital nutrients. The human digestive system is not so equipped and we must rely on animal proteins.

It is interesting to note that advocates of vegetarian diets who use the diet of apes as a rational to support their food choice–asserting that the ape diet is more “natural”–fail to advocate eating a diet of all-raw plant foods as the apes do. The basic plant foods that humans eat must be cooked. Vegan advocates also say that by combining grains with legumes, one can get the essential amino acids. Though this may be theoretically possible, in practice it is not viable and extremely difficult or impossible to accomplish, particularly if robust health is to be achieved and maintained generation after generation. Of course, due to modern technology, many of the essential nutrients can be supplied by synthetic or processed products, but these merely duplicate what is naturally in animal protein and are often extracted from them. To be on the safe side, it is wise to procure essential nutrients from their best source–animal protein.

Anthropologists have wondered why certain foods came to be prohibited by some religions. The anthropologist, Dr. Marvin Harris, in his two extremely readable, informative and enjoyable books, Cannibals and Kings and Cows, Pigs, Wars and Witches, shows that the prohibition of pigs (pork) by the Jewish religion and cows by the Hindu religion came about due to the ever-increasing pressure of population growth.

Pigs eat grain. It takes lots of land to grow grain for wheat which could feed more humans than it could feed pigs that require the grain to become meat on the human dinner-table. So wheat was in competition with pigs and the wheat won out when human referees decided wheat was more efficient in feeding the growing population. So pork wasn’t worth the grain and was prohibited by the religious leaders as a strategy to feed the population more efficiently.

Likewise, in India where beef was widely eaten at an earlier time in history, the Hindu religion prohibited it because the cow was more valuable for its milk and dung than as edible beef. Milk from the cow provided animal protein and the dung provided fuel for the fires to cook food. Religious sanctions are a very powerful societal force of control. (In these books by Harris, only a few pages are devoted to this subject, but the books are highly recommended for gaining insight into human behavior.)

In economically diverse societies where animal protein is scarce among the poorer classes and more abundant in the increasingly affluent sectors of society, it is interesting to note the differences in body height that seems to reflect the way people are forced to eat. The less affluent sectors subsist primarily on grains and a few vegetables and lack the height that is found among the more affluent ruling classes. This situation can develop as a result of overpopulation because too many humans inhabiting in a region can deplete the carrying capacity of the land upon which the food is produced.

The ancient Maya of the Classical Period used the slash and burn strategy to create more arable land as their population outgrew the surrounding forest. In order to create fields in which to grow corn, squash, beans and chili peppers, forest land was cleared by the destructive method of cutting down trees and burning the debris. This is a very brutal strategy within a fragile ecosystem that rapidly exhausts the soil. The Mayan diet consisted chiefly of the vegetables they grew, a few fruits and game. But the game became scarce as the forest was cleared for farm land and only the tiny ruling class had access to animal protein. (They had the domestic turkey and dog, but these animals ate the same food as humans.) This ecologically unstable situation led to the collapse of the Classical Maya civilization when they abandoned their great cities. The point for this article is that the skeletons unearthed from the Mayan burial grounds reveal that the ruling class was taller than the masses. The nobility supplemented their basic diet of corn, beans and squash with what animal protein was available; whereas the masses had practically none.

So what can the diet of gorillas tell us about what constitutes a healthy diet for humans? Little if anything. Humans are omnivores and need animal protein as well as plant foods to maintain sound health. The author of this article and Dr. Melvin E. Page recommend, as presented in their book, Your Body is Your Best Doctor, the following as a sound diet to help maintain optimal health: Eat a variety of fresh animal protein and fats, a wide variety of fresh vegetables, fruits and nuts and whole grain breads and cereals.

For a complete bibliography on this subject, see “The Relevance of Paleolithic Diet in Determining Contemporary Nutritional Needs,” H. Leon Abrams, Jr. The Journal of Applied Nutrition. Vol. 31, Numbers 1 and 2.

Editor’s Note: Many practitioners still recommend the use of raw meat for its health-building properties, pointing out the careful handling and protective factors in the diet can minimize the risks of parasite and microbial infection.

This article appeared in Wise Traditions in Food, Farming and the Healing Arts, the quarterly magazine of the Weston A. Price Foundation, Summer 2000.
H. Leon Abrams, Jr.

H. Leon Abrams, Jr., MA, EDS is Associate Professor Emeritus of Anthropology E.G.C., University System of Georgia. His areas of specialization in anthropology are Mesoamerica and nutritional anthropology. He has written seven books and 170 articles and reviews. He is an honorary board member of the Weston A. Price Foundation.

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Postby TheDuke » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:12 pm

jingofever » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:05 pm wrote:Link.

The professor emeritus in nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University said research has proven that consumption of animal products, including meat, fish and dairy, triggers chronic diseases and impaired health and poses a greater risk than heredity or environment. He has linked casein, a protein in milk, with breast cancer. His lifelong professional focus has been cancer and nutrition, and Campbell says that our national and global fight with cancer has targeted the wrong enemy.


“Diet can be used to prevent and reverse cancer just like it prevents and reverses heart disease,” he said. “A diet high in animal protein increases the amount of carcinogens going to the cells. It increases the enzyme MFO (mixed function oxidase) that causes increased carcinogenic activity.”

In the lab, Campbell has shown that increasing consumption of animal protein alters MFO and activates cancer while decreasing consumption detoxifies cancer. A high protein diet derived from animal products increases cell replication and increases oxygen free radicals associated with cancer and aging.


“High-protein bars are crazy,” Campbell said. “Plants alone can easily provide all the protein we need.”


Protein, sure, but what about B-12? Owsley Stanley said the opposite, that we should all eat nothing but meat and that plants are toxic, and eating only meat and dairy will prevent cancer. One man is a nutritional biochemist who teaches at Cornell, the other was the sound man for the Grateful Dead and cooked up a lot of LSD.

One farmer says to me, "You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make bones with;" and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying his system with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.

-Henry David Thoreau, Walden


I have advanced prostate cancer at a fairly early age (38), so it's a topic close to my heart.

There is a lot of research in the last year or so that suggest an Atkins style diet may be useful in controlling cancer. Sugars act as a fuel for most cancers. Elaine Cantin claims to have cured herself of breast cancer using a similar diet.

It's interesting that he links casein with cancer as one of the earliest nutritional responses to cancer I read about was a mixture of cottage cheese and flaxseed - on googling I found this is the Budwig Diet

I know a vegan diet did not cure Steve Jobs, but then again what could have?

The one thing to be aware of when reading any anti-meat research is if the author is connected with PETA or any other animal rights group. These guys can be pretty unscrupulous when it comes to twisting data to their point of view.
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Postby TheDuke » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:20 pm

And, voila:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicia ... e_Medicine

The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C., which promotes a vegan diet, preventive medicine, alternatives to animal research, and encourages what it describes as "higher standards of ethics and effectiveness in research."

As of January 2011, its advisory board consists of:[3]

T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D., Jacob Gould Schurman Professor Emeritus of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University
......

The New York Times reported CCF's and PCRM's criticism of each other in 2004. CCF called PCRM a front for PETA, arguing that when PCRM offers health advice, they "do a very slick job of obscuring their real intentions," which is simply to oppose the use of meat, dairy products and alcohol.

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Postby Ben D » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:02 pm

It seems vegans linage evolutionary survival will be compromised...

http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(14)01556-8/fulltext

Decreased sperm concentration and motility in a subpopulation of vegetarian males at a designated blue zone geographic region

E.M. Orzylowska, J.D. Jacobson, E.Y. Ko, J.U. Corselli, P.J. Chan P-408 Wednesday, October 22, 2014

Materials and Methods
Semen analyses were carried out in 474 males from 2009 to 2013. Patients categorized themselves as either lacto-ovo vegetarians (N = 26), vegans (N = 5) or non-vegetarians (N = 443).

Results
Lacto-ovo vegetarians had significantly lower sperm concentration (50.7 ± 7.4 M/mL, mean ± S.E.M.) when compared with non-vegetarians (69.6 ± 3.2 M/mL). Furthermore, total motility was lower in the lacto-ovo group (33.2 ± 3.8% versus non-vegetarian 58.2 ± 1.0%). Similarly, vegans had lower total motility (51.8 ± 13.4%) with a trend towards lower sperm concentration (51.0 ± 13.1 M/mL). Interestingly, hyperactive motility was lowest in the vegan group.

Conclusion
The results showed that the vegetarian diet reduced sperm concentration and motility but did not extend into the infertile range. The findings suggested that estrogenic compounds or chemical residues in the diet had a negative effect on sperm parameters. Hyperactive motility indicative of the CatSper calcium selective channel was compromised in the vegan group. Clinical management would include dietary supplements to offset deficiencies. More studies are needed to corroborate the present findings.

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Postby Twyla LaSarc » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:29 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:19 am wrote: The most fastidious vegetarians are still swimming in industrial waste every day of their lives.



This.^^ There is no escaping the legacy of industrial pollution. IMO, It seems that some people are rabid vegetarians because it gives them the ability to ignore the fact that they are just as vulnerable as those angry meat-eaters to the poisonous result of the industrial revolution.

Like the PETA Grrls campaigning in pleather, it also amazes me that vegetarian/vegan crusaders can deny their share of the environmental footprint. That bag of quinoa imported from Bolivia on a plane or diesel driven ship likely is as destructive as a beefsteak. All that oil burned, adding to the mess that is climate-as well as screwing with the native food supply and creating more markets for crap like Nestles formula and American GMO corn.

It is the devil's bargain in the end. I just wish that ethics were more of a consideration over greed. At least the market is supporting some alternatives now.

I'm begining to understand the impulse toward breatharianism.
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Re: This scientist thinks cancer can be prevented (no eat me

Postby fruhmenschen » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:39 pm

For me it all boils down to
what channel selector your
brain is tuned to.

For me I turn to my thought checkers
Seth and Neen Karoli Baba because
I want what they got.

see

People die when they are ready to die, for reasons that are their own. No person dies without a reason. You are not taught that, however, so people do not recognize their own reasons for dying, and they are not taught to recognize their own reasons for living — because you are told that life itself is an accident in a cosmic game of chance.”

The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
Session 835,


“When people are convinced that the self is untrustworthy, for whatever reasons, or that the universe is not safe, then instead of luxuriating in the use of their abilities, exploring the physical and mental environments, they begin to pull in their realities to contract their abilities, to overcontrol their environments. They become frightened people and frightened people do not want freedom, mental or physical. They want shelter, a definite set of rules. They want to be told what is good and bad. They lean toward compulsive behavior patterns. They seek out leaders – political, scientific or religious – who will order their lives for them.”

The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
Session 834


“Dying is a spiritual and psychological necessity, for after a while the exuberant, ever-renewed energies of the spirit can no longer be translated into flesh…The self outgrows the flesh.”

The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
Session 801
Page 12

Seth on animals, killing,

"Killing except for self-protection will be paid for. The idea of
killing is what is at fault. If you agree with the killing of birds
for example, you wind up with the killing of men. You will be
taught the sacredness of all life, and in the most practical way."

Rob: "How about our killing animals for food?"

Seth: "On your plane the hunter and the prey system is at this time
a necessary one but it will not always be this way. A time will
come when you will not have to kill in order to exist, and the
balance of nature will take care of itself. This time is sooner on
the way than you think. In your country if there is peace, you will
see its beginning in your lifetimes."

Rob: "Does this include doing away with slaughterhouses?"

Seth: "It most certainly does. This involves your own intellectual
technology, which will be able to maintain its population with
synthetic proteins. However this technological development will
come first; unfortunately the corresponding ethical evolution will
follow after. There is a very practical reason for a reverence of
all life, and very practical reasons why man must learn certain
facts that up to this point he has considered impractical. He has
usually managed to separate his ethical conceptions from his daily
business life, but this shall be increasingly difficult for him to
manage. Until you learn reverence for all living things you will
continue to slaughter each other. Again, this does not involve
punishment in any sense of the word. but the idea of killing
permissiveness is not discriminating. Once you allow yourselves to
kill you will kill any living thing. In future lives this involves
the race in further adjustments." (The Early Sessions, Book 1,
Session 32, pg. 248-249).
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