Bill Cosby abuse allegations

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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby elfismiles » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:23 pm

NaturalMystik » 25 Nov 2014 15:55 wrote:
I noticed some news stories yesterday about serial sexual assaults inside fraternities. The university of Virginia has actually 'cancelled' all Fraternities until January while a sexual assault investigation takes place. Where will it go next? I feel like the meme has some steam and will continue to ripple through our society exposing lots of dark little corners where women are being victimized by dominant men in power.

I echo your question, where is :fawked: ? I guess too busy with Ferguson...


Well they can't be everywhere at once ... or, CAN THEY?! :partyhat

Actually, I think they HAVE participated in targeting some sex abuse scandal related folks/institutions the past couple of years. Didn't they get involved in the Penn State / Sandusky situation? And wasn't there another high-profile school rape case earlier this year that they threw their hacktivism towards? Don't have time to go searching RI's archives right now but I feel confident its here somewhere.

And yeah, now that've you got me throwing my mental faculties backwards thru time ... I do seem to recall a few other College/Frat Fiascos gaining newsy momentum lately. CHARGE THE RAMPARTS!!!
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby NaturalMystik » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:30 pm

elfismiles » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:23 pm wrote:Actually, I think they HAVE participated in targeting some sex abuse scandal related folks/institutions the past couple of years. Didn't they get involved in the Penn State / Sandusky situation? And wasn't there another high-profile school rape case earlier this year that they threw their hacktivism towards?


Yes definitely, I believe they got pretty involved in the Steubenville case.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby justdrew » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:07 pm

The former chairman of the Montgomery County Republican Committee in Pennsylvania has pleaded no contest after being accused of sexually assaulting a woman following a GOP event.

Robert Kerns, 67, pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor count of indecent assault.

“This is absolutely a conviction,” Deputy Attorney General Daniel Dye said on Monday, according to Montgomery News. “There is no difference under the law between a guilty plea and a no-contest plea. In other words, a guilty-plea is ‘I did it’ and a no contest plea is ‘you got me.’”

Kerns allegedly drugged the victim, an employee of his law firm, last year by putting insomnia medication in her drink during a Republican Party dinner, then raped her multiple times when she passed out.

He will serve two years of probation, and is required to register as a sex offender for 15 years.

“I believe justice has been served by the plea and sentence of the defendant today and that other women will be protected as a result of it,” the victim said in statement.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby 82_28 » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:01 pm

Yep. Leaning towards dude did it more now. Sometimes I put the cart before the horse on shit like this. And AGAIN, not because I was ever defending cosby, just that there must be something MORE to it.

I was hanging out with my dad the other day and he was watching Columbo and then the Rockford Files (two shows I never realized were so good!) and he said, "it's funny that every woman looks the exact same."

I thought of Nordic (throwing this out there now for him) but I replied that in the 70s there were probably only a dozen make-up people in Hollywood, given the fact that there were only three networks. I have no idea. But it seems reasonable to me. Nordic, care to chime in on this time in hollywood?

The writing was far better back then though.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby Nordic » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:18 am

LilyPatToo » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:25 pm wrote:Believe it or not, there are men who really get off on women acting like mind-controlled robots--they used to be called "dollers" IIRC. So it's a short jump to liking women who are drunk. The point, it seems to me, is to be totally in control of the woman, to reduce her to a mindless *thing* where her will is silenced and she's a living blow-up sex doll.


Also I noticed once that in porn there is a certain niche of the "sleeping woman" porn. Certain guys seem to get off on women who are unconscious.

Which I sure as hell don't understand. But I don't understand a foot fetish either. jk

Cosby's thing seems to be total control to the point of knocking them out. What's more dominant than that?

Such a rotten human being.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby SonicG » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:42 am

82_28 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:01 am wrote:I was hanging out with my dad the other day and he was watching Columbo and then the Rockford Files (two shows I never realized were so good!) and he said, "it's funny that every woman looks the exact same."

I thought of Nordic (throwing this out there now for him) but I replied that in the 70s there were probably only a dozen make-up people in Hollywood, given the fact that there were only three networks. I have no idea. But it seems reasonable to me. Nordic, care to chime in on this time in hollywood?

The writing was far better back then though.


Not sure what you're point is here but, yeah, all of Rockford's romantic interests looked a lot like his female lawyer character. OT: Rockford Files is one of my all time faves and although it was given to cliche (almost always a car chase every episode), the plots could be quite complicated since it dealt with cons and fraud a lot. Note that David Chase, who later went on to do the Sopranos, was a main writer/producer...In fact, I was just rewatching the show and thought about what he could have done if RF files was made in a similar style of multi-episode arcs...
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby 82_28 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:56 am

Yeah, Rockford is quite good. I was conflating the roles of women and men back then -- same as now, but imagining Cosby in those days in the same ratio of my dad's observation I found interesting. Never knowing the Internet would creep up on him some 30+ years later. My point was pretty much pointless. Just an observation of changing times.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby Nordic » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:13 am

To answer your question, 82_28, I think in 30 years if you look back at TV shows made now, you might think all the women looked alike also. Maybe not quite as homogenous as in those days, but still. The fashion of the moment rules.

I was just a kid back then so I really can't speak for what was going on, but just from what I see now ....

Also, there's a type of human, both genders, who appears photogenic to the camera, and because it's they who get so often cast, we expect the other actors to have the same traits, and when they don't, something looks off.

It's a big head, big face, eyes that are big and set unusually far apart. That's the actor-face. It's pretty ubiquitous, with some notable exceptions, of course. But in TV it's especially ubiquitous.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby Hunter » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:59 pm

SonicG » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:42 am wrote:
82_28 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:01 am wrote:I was hanging out with my dad the other day and he was watching Columbo and then the Rockford Files (two shows I never realized were so good!) and he said, "it's funny that every woman looks the exact same."

I thought of Nordic (throwing this out there now for him) but I replied that in the 70s there were probably only a dozen make-up people in Hollywood, given the fact that there were only three networks. I have no idea. But it seems reasonable to me. Nordic, care to chime in on this time in hollywood?

The writing was far better back then though.


Not sure what you're point is here but, yeah, all of Rockford's romantic interests looked a lot like his female lawyer character. OT: Rockford Files is one of my all time faves and although it was given to cliche (almost always a car chase every episode), the plots could be quite complicated since it dealt with cons and fraud a lot. Note that David Chase, who later went on to do the Sopranos, was a main writer/producer...In fact, I was just rewatching the show and thought about what he could have done if RF files was made in a similar style of multi-episode arcs...



Surprised nobody has mad a blockbuster RF film yet, that may be something we see soon, that was a quality show.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby Grizzly » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:35 am



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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby divideandconquer » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:13 pm

I guess a nagging feeling with me is "why now" and all of a sudden? It doesn't make sense and seems to be for some occluded purpose. It makes sense but doesn't make sense. Maybe it's just because I am not a rich celebrity. But it doesn't add up as to how he went about these rapes. He would have had ample opportunity naturally without the drugging of his victims. Again, I won't defend him, but I will defend the cultural idea of him now morphing into something different. I feel this to be important.


I haven't had time to read the entire thread but the above quote pretty much sums up my feelings. I have no idea if he's guilty or not, but I watched the 20/20 interview of one of the so-called victims and she didn't sound like a victim at all. She admitted to taking pills offered by Cosby without knowing what they were, and she went back to see him repeatedly. She also said he wasn't any good. Who says that about a rapist?

I find the timing of this media blitz a little suspicious as well. Too many trumped up stories that are racially divisive popping up now, not to mention, the evisceration of "the cultural idea of him" and all that he created to in Cosby's own words: "to dispel old stereotypes and showcase another view of African American life". Right after the claims about Cosby broke, everything Cosby was yanked from the networks, Netflix, cable, etc.

Believe me, I know Cosby is not saint, not even close, but the whole thing stinks.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby justdrew » Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:01 pm

just a question: IF Cosby were not a celebrity, all these 'allegations' would be actionable slander would they not?
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:57 am

Whats really scary is how so many people are just robotically siding with the accuser. Granted, there is a bias against accusers in the system, but doing the exact opposite is just a different flavor of stupid. And implicit in both options is the idea that these kinds of trials by public opinion arent just acceptable, but a positive thing. Its not just rape cases, the Casey Anthony case too. People have just accepted the media circus as judge jury and executioner.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby Project Willow » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:48 am

Robotically? Fuck that. I have a rational mind that is able to evaluate the social costs of certain behaviors, unlike you, presumably.

There are always those who are completely and utterly blind to the personal and social risks of whistle-blowing, people who will look to any seeming anomaly in order to dismiss victim testimony. I won't try to argue the merits here, they'd be lost, for some unknown but probably rather prosaic reasons, among them fear of an increase in female power.
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Re: Bill Cosby abuse allegations

Postby RocketMan » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:28 am

What Willow said. Also, why would The Powers That Be or who the hell ever want to take down Cosby when he was providing them with very useful service? He is as neutered, middle-class an example of black America there can be. He poses no threat to any power structure whatever. He just recently had to cancel a speech at some religious, iffy-sounding university and was replaced by Dr. Ben Carson who also attributes most of the problems in the world and certainly the problems of the white middle class to the "crisis of the black family".
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