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Belligerent Savant » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:30 pm wrote:.
Let it. Let it get the best of you on occasion.
We all do -- the forum wouldn't exist w/out such occasional idealism.
In spite of the persistent forces exerted on us, compelling us to submit to apathy, indifference, defeatism, we resist.
We persist.
We return to this place to call out the wrongs, to anyone and no one in particular.
What else can that be but idealism?
Wombaticus Rex » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:28 pm wrote:I'm from Vermont. I like Bernie Sanders. I also know he's an establishment liberal with close ties to NatSec and AIPAC.
Not sure why anyone expects him to be much different from Hillary, aside from the fact he 1) has a penis and 2) doesn't dye his hair.
RT
Clinton gets competition: Bernie Sanders to run for president in 2016
Published time: April 28, 2015
U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders. (Reuters/Mike Segar)
US Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent lawmaker from Vermont, is set to announce a bid for the presidency on Thursday, Vermont Public Radio reported. He will reportedly run as a Democrat.
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IanEye » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:42 pm wrote:It is like Sanders wants to make some points, but ultimately prefers Clinton in the office as opposed to Bush.
Wombaticus Rex » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:46 am wrote:IanEye » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:42 pm wrote:It is like Sanders wants to make some points, but ultimately prefers Clinton in the office as opposed to Bush.
Your assessment is dead on; he's about as serious as Ben Carlson.
Nobody on his staff seems to think this is a serious bid for anything but raising his national profile to increase his clout in DC. It's a PR campaign; it is not a presidential campaign.
Edit: I want to state things strongly and clearly. The cynicism of this bothers me.
Bernie Sanders is going to spend the next 12 months promoting Facebook memes about "inequality" -- forgive me if I don't think being an info-warrior means much in the filter bubble echo chamber that is Big Blue -- and all of those memes will feature his fucking face. Bernie Sanders is working with a ghostwriter on a book. If not for the seriousness of the issues he is discussing, this would be Herman Cain level shit.
Bernie Sanders is going to be fundraising for a campaign he not only knows he won't win, but won't even seriously pursue. He is going to burn donations from idealists until it's time, inevitably, to get in line and support Hillary 2016.
So who is he really campaigning against? Elizabeth Warren. He's doing the Clinton family a big favor with this. And I get to spend a whole year watching people praise him for his courage and vision and message.
Whatever. Hopefully I get some contracts out of it, right? Let it burn, let it burn.
IanEye » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:42 pm wrote:It is interesting that Sanders, an Independent, would choose to run as a Democrat in 2016.
As opposed to making a '92 style Perot run for office.
If Sanders did that, then he would be debating both Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush in September of 2016.
He would be on the ballot in November of 2016 as an option.
Instead, running as a Democrat, Sanders will be over quite early on.
It is like Sanders wants to make some points, but ultimately prefers Clinton in the office as opposed to Bush.
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