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UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby guruilla » Sun May 17, 2015 1:44 pm

Not sure if someone has already posted this (couldn't find it via search) but I only just heard about it, from Oct 2014:

The government has unveiled plans to ban anyone who criticises it from appearing on TV or protesting.

Under the guise of protecting the public from ‘extremism’ the government proposal will allow police to vet the social media activity of “harmful” individuals and curb their right to speak at public events.

The maximum sentence could be up to 10 years in prison for breaking a banning order.

These new plans would also promise greater powers for British police to access internet data.

Targeted individuals will also be barred from certain public spaces and from associating with named people. The plans were unveiled by Theresa May at the Conservative Party Conference and reiterated by David Cameron, in his speech on ‘extremism’.

So who is included under this new definition of extremists? Are we just talking about people who allegedly bomb buildings?

Well, according to David Cameron, the law will target “non-violent conspiracy theorists” who he claims are just as dangerous as the ISIS terrorists and must therefore, be eradicated.

He referenced 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS.

Such individuals are deemed to be a threat to “the functioning of democracy.”
http://akashictimes.co.uk/david-cameron ... d-protest/

At first web glace, the story seems solid but to have been passed over by the mainstream media.

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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby Lord Balto » Sun May 17, 2015 11:21 pm

Such individuals are deemed to be a threat to “the functioning of democracy."


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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby semper occultus » Mon May 18, 2015 9:41 am

..odd timing to publish this aswell...

Secret files reveal police feared that Trekkies could turn on society

Scotland Yard kept a secret dossier on Star Trek and the X-Files in the run up to the millennium amid security concerns

By Elizabeth Roberts2:58PM BST 17 May 2015

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ciety.html

For years Star Trek fans – known as Trekkies – have been the butt of jokes about their penchant for wearing pointy ears and attending science fiction conventions.

But the police feared British fans of the cult American show might boldly go a little too far one day.
It has emerged that Scotland Yard kept a secret dossier on Star Trek, The X-Files, and other US sci fi shows amid fears that British fans would go mad and kill themselves, turn against society or start a weird cult.
The American TV shows Roswell and Dark Skies and the film The Lawnmower Man were also monitored to protect the country from rioting and cyber attacks.

Special Branch was concerned that people hooked on such material could go into a frenzy triggered by the millennium leading to anarchy.

An undated confidential report to the Metropolitan Police, thought to have been filed around 1998-99, listed concerns about conspiracy theorists who believed the end of the world was nigh.
"Fuel is added to the fire by television dramas and feature films mostly produced in America," the report said.
"These draw together the various strands of religion, UFOs, conspiracies, and mystic events and put them in an entertaining storyline.”
It added: "Obviously this is not sinister in itself, what is of concern is the devotion certain groups and individuals ascribe to the contents of these programmes."

The dossier – called UFO New Religious Movements and the Millennium – was drawn up in response to the 1997 mass suicide by 39 cultists in San Diego known as Heaven's Gate. The group members were "ardent followers of The X-Files and Star Trek" according to Special Branch.
The secret briefing note was obtained from the Met under the Freedom of Information Act by Sheffield-based British X-Files expert Dr Dave Clarke while researching a new book, How UFOs Conquered the World.

Dr Clarke, who teaches investigative journalism at Sheffield Hallam University, said: "The documents show the police and security services were concerned about the export of some new religious movements concerning UFOs and aliens from the USA in the aftermath of the mass suicide by followers of the Heaven's Gate.
"It's no coincidence this occurred around 1997 – which was the 50th anniversary of the birth of UFOs and the Roswell incident – at a time when the net was buzzing with rumours about aliens and cover-ups.”
A Met spokesman said: "We have no knowledge of this."
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby Lord Balto » Mon May 18, 2015 11:09 am

...turn against society or start a weird cult.


I guess believing in a "royal family" who claim descent from Seth, with guys dressed up like baboons marching in front of their "palace," doesn't constitute a "weird cult." These cults must be in the eye of the beholder.
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby guruilla » Mon May 18, 2015 12:02 pm

semper occultus » Mon May 18, 2015 9:41 am wrote: "Obviously this is not sinister in itself,...

Obviously.
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby semper occultus » Mon May 18, 2015 12:08 pm

...ambiguous head-line actually...

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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby guruilla » Mon May 18, 2015 8:50 pm

Update:

UK government counter-terrorism bill would criminalize speech, political activity
By Jordan Shilton
18 May 2015

The Conservative government in Britain is preparing to enact new legislation that, under the guise of the “war on terror,” will vastly expand police-state powers and essentially criminalize speech and other political activity.

Presented officially as an anti-terrorism bill, the proposed measures will be targeted at any popular opposition to the government’s policies of aggressive militarism abroad and austerity measures in Britain.

Following his party’s victory in the May 7 general election, Prime Minister David Cameron announced the proposal at last week’s National Security Council (NSC) meeting. The meeting, chaired by Cameron, brings together leading government officials with the heads of Britain’s security agencies.

The new bill will include a series of measures targeting groups and individuals deemed by the government to be “extremist.” This term is defined so vaguely as to encompass a wide array of political activity.

The new bill will create extremist “disruption orders” for individuals and “banning orders” for groups. The targets for these new police powers will be those who have conducted “harmful” behaviour.

According to the Guardian, the “harmful” behaviour covers activities that pose “a risk of public disorder, a risk of harassment, alarm or distress or creating a ‘threat to the functioning of democracy’.”

This will be used to criminalise campaigns critical of government policy and protests, which are frequently dispersed by the police on precisely the grounds that they disrupt public order. The language also indicates that the government would have the authority to target those merely planning such activity prior to it taking place.

Extremist disruption orders will permit the government to take action against individuals considered to have engaged in such harmful behaviour, or whom the government claims have attempted to “radicalise” youth.

The orders contain bans on individuals broadcasting their views on television, and anyone subject to an order will be compelled to submit any written publication, including social media posts, to the police before it is printed. In addition, the orders will make it illegal for individuals to attend or address public gatherings or protests.

OffCom, the broadcast regulator, is to be given powers to move against channels judged to be broadcasting “extremist” material. The charity commission will be able to take action against charities that “fund terrorism.”

Banning orders will allow the government to outlaw “extremist” organisations. If such a move is taken, anyone found to be a member of the organisation will be guilty of a criminal offence. Authorities will also be able to shut down premises used by groups to promote “extremism.”

Human rights group Privacy International branded the new proposal as an “assault on the rights of ordinary British citizens.”

Islamist groups will not be the main focus of the new law. As the Guardian’s home affairs editor wrote in an analysis of the proposal, “the official definition of non-violent extremism is already wide-ranging and, as Big Brother Watch has pointed out, the national extremism database already includes the names of people who have done little more than organise meetings on environmental issues.”

The requirement that the government apply to the courts to obtain such orders will do little to prevent their abuse. The government has repeatedly invoked national security considerations to present evidence to the courts in secret. It even intended to hold an entire terrorism trial in secret last year before abandoning it at the last minute. The declaration of a national security threat would thus permit government claims about an individual or group to go unchallenged in the courts by an independent lawyer, since the only individuals allowed access to such information are government-appointed legal representatives.

Together with a sweeping attack on democratic rights and legal norms, the Conservatives’ anti-terror bill will further advance the government’s right-wing agenda of whipping up anti-immigrant sentiment. New powers will be established to deny immigrants entry on the grounds of preaching extremist views.

Cameron’s proposals make clear that the Conservatives are determined to vastly expand the repressive powers of the state, including by reintroducing the controversial “snooper’s charter” which would grant intelligence agencies the power to conduct mass surveillance and store data from emails and other internet data from social networking sites and messaging services. It will also allow authorities to access encrypted messages.

Cameron claimed that the UK has been a “‘passively tolerant society’ for too long, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.”


This extraordinary declaration is a backhanded acknowledgement that those who Cameron intends to target with the new law have committed no crime under the existing legal system.

“This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach. As the party of one nation, we will govern as one nation and bring our country together. That means actively promoting certain values. Freedom of speech. Freedom of worship. Democracy. The rule of law. Equal rights regardless of race, gender or sexuality,” Cameron proclaimed.

Cameron’s reference to “one nation” were especially sinister. It suggests that anyone challenging the political interests of the British ruling class and championing the rights and interests of the working class will be targeted for surveillance and repression.

The “values” Cameron talks about promoting are precisely those that have been used by successive governments to wage aggressive wars abroad to uphold British imperialist interests, and carry through an assault on social and democratic rights at home.
These policies have seen British imperialism, alongside American imperialism, aligned with some of the very Islamist forces it now seeks to present as the greatest threat to the country. In the 2011 regime change operation in Libya, Britain participated in the NATO bombing campaign that toppled the Gaddafi regime, while supplying weapons to Islamist groups in the country. Many of these groups had ties to Al Qaida and later moved to Syria with CIA support, where some elements came together to form the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

The assertion that Britain has been “passively tolerant” for too long is a lie. The entire political establishment, including the opposition Labour Party, has been complicit in erecting the framework of a police state in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001 and the London bombings in 2005.

The Labour government under Tony Blair brought forward “anti-terror” measures in 2001 that included wide-ranging police powers to detain suspects for crimes committed under an expanded definition of terrorism. In 2006, a further law allowed the prosecution of those “encouraging” terrorism, which saw individuals put on trial purely for making statements or posting videos online that had no connection to a specific terrorist attack.

However, the push to go even further has been growing for some time. In the wake of the attacks on the offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo earlier this year, political figures and intelligence operatives criticised Britain’s anti-terror laws for not doing enough to monitor the Internet.

The planned actions in the UK are part of an escalating international assault on democratic rights. Earlier this month, the French National Assembly passed legislation sanctioning mass spying and other police state measures. Also this month, the Canadian House of Commons passed the “Anti-Terror Act,” which gave the state vast new powers, including the ability to target any activities declared a danger to “national security.”

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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby Lord Balto » Mon May 18, 2015 9:31 pm

I'm wondering how far afield the definition of conspiracy theorist will extend. Will they shut down the anti-Stratfordians who don't think William Shakspere wrote the plays of Shakespeare? After all, causing financial damage to the souvenir vendors of Stratford could be deemed a disruption.

Russell Brand on a similar bill in Canada and its implications:



And it turns out the economic impact on the Stratford souvenir vendors wouldn't be as absurd as one might think if the UK bill resembled the Canadian one.
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby guruilla » Mon May 18, 2015 9:57 pm

Technically anyone who has different opinions, behaviors, or interests can be considered "extremist." While it's unlikely the law will be exercised save when it's convenient way to get rid of someone, it will presumably make most people even more uncomfortable being exposed to "alternate" ideas than they already are. In other words, increased bifurcation.
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby slomo » Mon May 18, 2015 11:04 pm

I'm pretty sure the intended target is those who are writing about the recent pedophilia scandals in the UK. I know of one blogger who has alluded to receiving legal advice to avoid the topic entirely.
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby tron » Tue May 19, 2015 12:05 am

slomo » Mon May 18, 2015 10:04 pm wrote:I'm pretty sure the intended target is those who are writing about the recent pedophilia scandals in the UK. I know of one blogger who has alluded to receiving legal advice to avoid the topic entirely.

i have a good southpark plotline, to stop the ptb using pedofilia as collateral, everyone should fuck a kid on facebook. :mad2
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby Lord Balto » Tue May 19, 2015 9:07 am

slomo » Mon May 18, 2015 11:04 pm wrote:I'm pretty sure the intended target is those who are writing about the recent pedophilia scandals in the UK. I know of one blogger who has alluded to receiving legal advice to avoid the topic entirely.


Do you get the feeling these pedophiles are much more powerful than any other part of the dark state? One wonders how high in the British hierarchy this goes. Clearly this goes a lot further than a few bad apples.
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby guruilla » Tue May 19, 2015 7:58 pm

slomo » Mon May 18, 2015 11:04 pm wrote:I'm pretty sure the intended target is those who are writing about the recent pedophilia scandals in the UK. I know of one blogger who has alluded to receiving legal advice to avoid the topic entirely.

That makes sense. It makes me think of what occurs in a family when some unpleasant truth comes to light and there is a "ban" on talking about it. If the truth is disturbing enough, and the threat of speaking about it severe enough, the silenced are caught in a classic double bind. One option for relief from the damned if they do, damned if they don't predicament is to suppress all knowledge (memory) and start to believe that the ugly truth is just a vicious rumor ~ or worse, a conspiracy theory!

More polarization at the most basic social levels...
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue May 19, 2015 8:58 pm

slomo » Mon May 18, 2015 11:04 pm wrote:I'm pretty sure the intended target is those who are writing about the recent pedophilia scandals in the UK. I know of one blogger who has alluded to receiving legal advice to avoid the topic entirely.

My thoughts, exactly. Without having read your comment here, slomo, I offered this in another thread.
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Re: UK Law Targets "non-violent conspiracy theorists"

Postby divideandconquer » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:54 pm

France Moves to Make “Conspiracy Theories” Illegal by Government Decree

Political elites and super-bureaucrats are worried. It’s becoming harder to control consensus reality.

A history stitched together by lies and cover-ups, political assassinations, slight-of-hand false flag deceptions, secret societies, dual loyalties and stolen fortunes – this has been the exclusive privilege of organized crime and the ruling elite for centuries.

Putting aside history’s ‘big ticket’ items though, the real reason for this authoritarian trend is much more fundamental. By knocking out their intellectual competition, political elites and their media moguls hope to minimalize, and thus eliminate any alternative analysis and opinion by applying the completely open-ended and arbitrary label of “extremist” to speech. They want to wind back the clock, where a pre-internet, monolithic corporate media cartel held a monopoly on ideas.

Although France has taken the lead in this inter-governmental effort (see below), the preliminary assault began this past fall with British Prime Minster David Cameron publicly announcing on two separate occasions, that all of these so-called ‘conspiracy theories’ (anything which challenges the official orthodoxy) should be deemed as “extremist” and equivalent to “terrorist” and should be purged from society on the grounds of ‘national security’. The first came withCameron’s warped speech at the UN, and afterwards, a similar charge was made by the UK leader against anyone who dares press the issue of institutional paedophilia and child abuse.

Watch this UN speech by Cameron where he clearly claims that ‘conspiracy theorists’ are the ‘root cause’ and indeed, an equal threat to national security as ISIS terrorists currently running amok in Syria and Iraq (start 4:26)…

As yet, few are aware of how in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo shootings, French Prime Minster,Francois Hollande delivered an official declaration (see full report and text from his speech below). However, Hollande takes it beyond the usual hyperbole and focuses on giving the state an administrative and legal foothold for policing both speech and thought crimes in France. If this can be accomplished in France, then a European roll-out would soon follow.

Ironically, in order to achieve this fascist leap forward, Hollande has equated “conspiracy theories” to Nazism, and is calling for government regulations to prevent any sharing or publishing of any views deemed as ‘dangerous thought’ by the state. Specifically, Hollande is citing “Anti-Semitism” and also anything which could inspire ‘acts terrorism’ – as the chief vehicles for what the state will be designating as ‘dangerous thoughts’. With the thumb of Hebdo still pressing down, this may just sound like politics writ large by the French leader, but in reality it’s full-blown fascism.

Worse yet, with all of the world leaders gathered togther in Paris in January supposedly marching solidarity for ‘free speech’ and proudly chanting “Je Suis Charlie” (image above), that Hollande would use this as political cover to restrict free speech in Europe should shock even.

RINF reports how the new censorship regime has already been implemented this week:

“Earlier this week, the Interior Minister of France — with no court review or adversarial process — ordered five websites to not only be blocked in France, but that anyone who visits any of the sites get redirected to a scary looking government website, saying:

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While it could be argued that the four websites initially listed by the government for ‘blocking’ were exclusively for ISIS/ISIL-related activity and thus, should be kept hidden, the government has made no caveat in its reams of policy literature, other than some vague language as to what it defines as ‘extremist’, as to where this growing list will stop, or indeed, if it has any limits at all. Because this process is extrajudicial, then there will be no warning to gov’t targets of this new regime. In fact, as RINF reports, this has already happened:

“In that first batch was a site called “islamic-news.info.” The owner of that site not only notes that he was never first contacted to “remove” whatever material was deemed terrorist supporting (as required by the law), but that nothing in what he had posted was supporting terrorism.”

Will French gov’t censors also block this website – because it is challenging the government’s new public filtering program? Are we entering a new intolerant, Chinese-style policing culture in Europe, and throughout the west? Certainly they have the ability and the legal clearance to do just that right now.

Fear of losing control over manipulative narratives has always been a primary obsession with those in power, and clearly, based on what we’ve seen here – governments are making an aggressive move on free speech now. Skeptics will no doubt argue that this 21WIRE article itself constitutes a conspiracy theory. If that was the case, then why have western governments, particularly those in the US and Britain, already spent millions, if not billions in state funds in order to infiltrate, disrupt, and occupy forum websites, and social networking groups of so-called ‘conspiracy theorist and even creating entirely new groups just to contradict them? Does that not already prove what the government modus operandi is?

As if that wasn’t enough already, now France wants to take it to a whole new authoritarian level. It may sound ridiculous, but this is exactly what is taking place in government as we speak.

History shows that once this new regime is in place, they will not relinquish any new powers of censorship, and so a long, intellectual dark age is certain to follow…


http://www.globalresearch.ca/france-moves-to-make-conspiracy-theories-illegal-by-government-decree/5438970
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