However she does it again when Talbot is getting to the heart of MKULTRA. Just as Talbot is exposing one juicy bit after another about the nature of mkultra they stop for a break never to return to that subject. Which I get they had a lot of ground to cover in the interview but some of that information just begged for follow-up questions...
stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:19 pm wrote:There was a recent interview of Talbot by Amy Goodman. While she normally acts as a gatekeeper against anything conspiracy-oriented (you'll notice at one point when Talbot is really cooking, she interrupts with a time warning, then she continues after he stops to change the subject!), Talbot is able to say some things that were very revealing.The Rise of America's Secret Government: The Deadly Legacy of Ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles
AMY GOODMAN: It’s been over half a century since Allen Dulles resigned as director of the CIA, but his legacy lives on. Between 1953 and '61, under his watch, the CIA overthrew the governments of Iran and Guatemala, invaded Cuba, was tied to the killing of Patrice Lumumba, Congo's first democratically elected leader.
A new biography of Allen Dulles looks at how his time at the CIA helped shape the current national security state. Biographer David Talbot writes, quote, "The Allen Dulles story continues to haunt the country. Many of the practices that still provoke bouts of American soul-searching originated during Dulles’s formative rule at the CIA." Talbot goes on to write, "Mind control experimentation, torture, political assassination, extraordinary rendition, mass surveillance of U.S. citizens and foreign allies—these were all widely used tools of the Dulles reign."
Well, David Talbot joins us now to talk about his new book, The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government. He’s the founder and former CEO and editor-in-chief of Salon. David Talbot is also author of the best-seller, Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years...
DAVID TALBOT: The Devil’s Chessboard refers to the fact that the Dulles brothers—John Foster Dulles, who’s secretary of state under Eisenhower, and his brother, Allen Dulles, who I focus on, head of the CIA—they loved to play chess with each other. They would go at it for hours, even when Allen Dulles was about to be married. He kept his wife-to-be waiting around while the two brothers went at it. And they tended to look at the world as their chessboard. People were pawns to be manipulated. So I felt that was a—you know, an apt metaphor.
But, Amy, I wanted to go back to what you were talking about—alternative media—before this. I think—I just want to underline what you were saying about how essential it is to have countervoices. They are the lifeblood of democracy. And shows like yours and public radio are just essential. You know, my book is having a hard time getting through the media gatekeepers. They don’t want to hear about this, and in part because the CIA, particularly under Allen Dulles, but even today, are masters at manipulating the media. I’ve been on shows and been bumped. I was scheduled to be on shows at the last minute, strangely. I was supposed to write something for Politico magazine. Someone there called the book a "masterpiece." They wanted the book to be, you know, showcased there. Instead, I was bumped from Politico. And an article based on recently leaked CIA documents—conveniently leaked—was written by a former New York Times reporter, Phil Shenon, and what he did was to basically accuse Fidel Castro of assassinating President Kennedy. This has been a CIA disinformation line for years. So the CIA is still manipulating the media, and it’s essential that independent media exists, like this.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about the relationship between The New York Times publisher, Arthur Hays Sulzberger, and Allen Dulles?
DAVID TALBOT: Well, the Sulzberger family had a long relationship with Dulles. When he was inaugurated as CIA director, one of the Sulzbergers wrote to him, saying, "This is the best news I’ve heard in years." In another letter, he calls him affectionately "Ally." They were on a first name basis. They belonged to the same clubs. They were masters at—the Dulles brothers, particularly Allen—at manipulating the media. After the Warren Report comes out, the official investigation of the assassination of President Kennedy, one of the top editors at Newsweek writes to Allen Dulles. And I’m getting all this from Allen Dulles’s own files; he was very proud of the fact that he could—he had the media in the palm of his hand. But this Newsweek editor writes to him, "Thank you so much for basically directing our coverage of the Warren Report. We couldn’t have done it without you." So, you know, this was the kind of cozy relationship that existed between the CIA and the media in those years. CBS, Newsweek, The New York Times, The Washington Post, they were all in the palm of the CIA’s hands. They all lived together in Georgetown. They had cocktail parties together. It was a very cozy set.
AMY GOODMAN: You know, in Guatemala today, there has been a popular uprising. It has been quite astounding. Otto Pérez Molina, OPM, the president, was thrown out, is in jail right now. I wanted to go to Allan Nairn, longtime investigative reporter, who was in Guatemala during this period. And this also goes back to 1954. But Allan Nairn has been covering Guatemala since the 1980s.
ALLAN NAIRN: This is an oligarchy in Guatemala which kills its own unionists, which kills peasants who try to organize the plantations, which works hand in glove with Washington and is now trying to hold onto their power, because, for the first time, it’s under threat. I mean, this is a historic moment. It all began in 1954, when the CIA invaded Guatemala, overthrew a democratically elected government and put the army in power. And now, the people have risen...
AMY GOODMAN: Explain it very briefly, and what happened to Allen Jr.?
DAVID TALBOT: MKULTRA was—they called it the Manhattan Project of the mind. It was an attempt by the CIA, funding—millions of dollars—funding scientists and doctors around the country, major institutions, to see if we could program people for whatever purpose. It was a mind control program. His son, Allen Jr., came back from the war, Korean War, with a piece of shrapnel in his brain. He was brain-damaged, and the family had difficulty with him. He was trying to find his way. And at one point, Allen Dulles put him in the hands of this scientist here in New York who did unspeakable sort of experiments on him involving insulin overdose therapy, which is a very traumatic therapy—convulsions, sometimes resulting in death. His sister was appalled—Allen Dulles’s daughter—when she went to visit him in the hospital. And it was from her that I got this story.
Joan Dulles is a very amazing woman—Joan Talley, as she’s known today, a retired Jungian therapist in New Mexico, drives a Prius with an Obama sticker on it. I’m sure her father is spinning in his grave. But she, herself, like many of us, at the age of 90 when I interviewed her, was grappling with this dark legacy in America, that played out within her own family. You know, she’s looking back on this now and is appalled, in some way, that she—it was a part of her life. But she’s reading the books—and I hope she reads mine—and is coming to some kind of determination about her father.
AMY GOODMAN: And explain what MKULTRA was used for.
DAVID TALBOT: Well, MKULTRA, among other things, they were seeing if they could program a Manchurian candidate, assassins who would act in a robotic-like fashion to kill on CIA command. They were also using it as enhanced interrogation, as we call it today. Soviet prisoners who would fall into our hands, they were—
AMY GOODMAN: And the drug is actually?
DAVID TALBOT: Well, many different drugs, psychedelic—LSD was one of the drugs. They subjected—there was a particular place in Canada at the Allan Institute and McGill University in Canada, where one of these doctors, Dr. Ewen Cameron, he operated something called the sleep room, where women, many—mostly women, and patients of his would be put. These were people who were suffering from common neurotic disorders, postpartum depression and so on. And they were put in this sleep room and, through massive doses of various psychedelic drugs, were put into a sleep state, and then tape loops were played over and over again in an attempt to erase their bad patterns of thinking, and often wiping out their memory. They would come out of these experiments not knowing their family, who they were. In one case, a woman was reduced to an infantile state. She couldn’t use a toilet. And this was the wife of a Canadian—a member of the Canadian Parliament. So this was all CIA-funded research during the Cold War, and it was, you know, basically the most inhumane sort of methods being used on people.
AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to David Talbot, and we digressed from the assassination of John F. Kennedy...
On the other hand Len Osanic and Jim DiEugenio were able to go there...
Posted 25 October 2015 - 02:22 AM
Len Osanic and I interviewed Talbot about his book The Devil's Chessboard this morning. He was kind enough to give us almost two hours.
Its the best interview of his you will hear, much better than Democracy Now.
Why? Because Len and I both read the entire book. In fact I finished it this morning before the interview. So we covered just about all the major topics in the book, especially about the evidence implicating the DCI in the JFK case. But incredibly, we could not cover everything. The book is that large in scope.
Talbot dishes some fascinating stuff on how bad the MSM is, and how Politico dumped him for Shenon! As I have said, the new media resembles the old media in that regard.
And he also gave us a nice tidbit on George Clooney.
Don't miss it.
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Show #755
Original airdate: October 29, 2015
Guests: David Talbot w/Jim DiEugenio / Jim DiEugenio
Topics: Allen Dulles and The Devil's Chessboard / Phil Shenon
Play David Talbot w/Jim DiEugenio (1:49:06) Real Media or MP3 download
David's new book, The Devil's Chessboard: (2015) Brothers: (2008)
Bobby was looking at the CIA anti-Castro operations as the source of the plot
David thought of Allen Dulles as the chief culprit, the "Old Man"
The Dulles Era is the beginning of today's lawless era
Subversion, extraordinary rendition, assassinations, surveillance
David encourages that his book be bought at an independent bookstore
During WW II Allen Dulles conducted his own foreign policy
Allen and (John) Foster Dulles go way back with these Nazis
Sullivan & Cromwell, I.G. Farben, Zyklon B
They put the interests of their clients above the good of the war effort
Unconditional surrender, Operation Sunrise, Karl Wolff
The first tool of the Final Solution, Walter Rauff and Gas Vans
James Angleton hid Nazi war criminals in Italy
Reinhard Gehlen's rise through the West German power structure
Dulles' day calendars, blacked out for Dallas in October, 1963
American media, Washington press corps, timid and complicit
His "retirement", Dulles didn't get the memo when he was fired
An anti-Kennedy government-in-exile in his home in Georgetown
Cuban exile Paulino Sierra Martinez met with Dulles
Dulles put William Harvey in charge of assassinations
Trujillo, Dominican Republic, Jesus de Galindez, extraordinary rendition
CIA support of a coup attempt against Charles De Gaulle
The CIA "kill team" was brought back to Dallas
Mark Wyatt, Harvey's assistant, Harvey was in Dallas in November 1963
Dulles at Camp Peary, "The Farm" the weekend of the assassination
Dulles worked hard behind the scenes to get appointed to the WC
Angleton's and Dulles' daughters were two of David's sources
Dulles' JFK Oral History Interview
"the assassination ... if any one of the chess pieces ... had been
moved differently ... the whole thing might have been different"
CIA knew the (Bay of Pigs) Cuban Brigade was doomed to fail
The plan was to force Kennedy to send in the military
Arthur Schlesinger's Journals: 1952-2000 (2008)
Schlesinger worked up a CIA reorganization plan for President Kennedy
American media. lazy and ignorant or they have an agenda
David calls on NARA employees to leak the 1,100 CIA documents
Hollywood does not want to be Oliver "Stoned"
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