Re: Leonard Cohen, Operative? (Ann Diamond material)
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:37 pm
I didn't bring up this anecdote in the podcast for this very reason, that, & it being so inflammatory. I'm not convinced this "Diana" (a pseudonym) is a reliable witness or that Diamond was wise to include her account in the book. If there was a trial, I wouldn't call her to the stand unless she had something to back up her story (Diamond says "Diana" did know private details about Cohen that convinced her she knew him, at least). So my bad for including that passage at the thread at all, chalk it down to over-excitement after the shock of discovery. Not that I'm saying it's inherently unbelievable, either, just too distracting.
Your overall point I am not sure I agree with. I don't know enough about how this world (that of celebrity or any other sort of espionage) works, for one thing. And the point about "if Cohen was like this" presumes that we are talking about his personality, which I'm not, mostly. The podcast lays out a long series of facts about Cohen (some but by no means all from Diamond's own recollections) which, when all put together, make it undeniable that he is not what he seems (IMO), and that he is involved with covert agendas in some capacity, knowingly and perhaps also unknowingly.
It's also possible, if Cohen was subjected to the MKULTRA-style mind control traumatizing treatments which Diamond remembers experiencing herself, that, as with Strieber (and there's a mountain of evidence there), that LC was/is a multiple personality type. In which case, to expect some sort of consistency is to miss the point.
For the record, in six hours of podcast conversation with Diamond, we don't bring up any of the last four possibilities you list, and yet we still have plenty to discuss in terms of his being an operative. Even so, I don't see any real incompatibility between the 5 "careers" you list as existing anywhere besides your own preconceptions about how the world works or what people are like. Maybe you can outline why you find it so unlikely that a singer-songwriter who writes songs about the incurability of love is inherently unlikely to be a child abuser, a snuff film participant, or an occasional/failed assassin?
Or maybe you can listen to the podcasts and base your arguments on that content, that way you will be at least working with all the evidence?
Your overall point I am not sure I agree with. I don't know enough about how this world (that of celebrity or any other sort of espionage) works, for one thing. And the point about "if Cohen was like this" presumes that we are talking about his personality, which I'm not, mostly. The podcast lays out a long series of facts about Cohen (some but by no means all from Diamond's own recollections) which, when all put together, make it undeniable that he is not what he seems (IMO), and that he is involved with covert agendas in some capacity, knowingly and perhaps also unknowingly.
It's also possible, if Cohen was subjected to the MKULTRA-style mind control traumatizing treatments which Diamond remembers experiencing herself, that, as with Strieber (and there's a mountain of evidence there), that LC was/is a multiple personality type. In which case, to expect some sort of consistency is to miss the point.
For the record, in six hours of podcast conversation with Diamond, we don't bring up any of the last four possibilities you list, and yet we still have plenty to discuss in terms of his being an operative. Even so, I don't see any real incompatibility between the 5 "careers" you list as existing anywhere besides your own preconceptions about how the world works or what people are like. Maybe you can outline why you find it so unlikely that a singer-songwriter who writes songs about the incurability of love is inherently unlikely to be a child abuser, a snuff film participant, or an occasional/failed assassin?
Or maybe you can listen to the podcasts and base your arguments on that content, that way you will be at least working with all the evidence?