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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby The Consul » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:27 pm

Cordelia » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:50 am wrote:
82_28 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:14 pm wrote:In trump's case it is. Since he thinks he's a genius Adonis who brags about everything and insults everyone, any and all flaws are fair game.


Upon reflection I disagree; one reason, besides making others w/similar flaws feel demeaned, it reduces standards of behavior/empathy to Trump's level.


Where to begin....if you think that calling Trump a fat fucking liar is stooping to his level, go ahead. In case you haven't noticed, all this shit is about to collapse. Not necessarily tomorrow, or next month, but soon enough. But part of the problem is, if there is any hope, it's going to require more fire than just painting daisies on the jackboots of those who would laugh while they bulldoze us into pits. I admire your humanity and compassion and understand what you are saying. But we are on the precipice of hell. And Dear Leader lies about all things.

And sadly, they way it seems to go is, we won't bring him down without getting some of him on us.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Elvis » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:19 pm

Karmamatterz wrote:Why give one fuck whether you think a politician is lying? They all lie.


This is the defeatist, status quo-perpetuating "oh dear" response that excuses lying, assures us there's nothing we can do, we should just go on electing more liars. Brilliant strategy!

It's like the dull refrain, "there's always been war and there always will be war." So what the heck—let's have another war! (But this time, of course, it will clearly be a good and necessary war. Not like those other wars.)


A little challenge: Bernie Sanders is a politician. When did he lie?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:35 pm

there is one very important thing to come of all of this

a good number of people finally have realized democracy is not a spectator sport

here's is just one person who is a decent caring human being and also a U.S. Senator...they are NOT all alike...and I bet she does NOT lie


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Cordelia » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:48 pm

The Consul » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:27 pm wrote:
Cordelia » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:50 am wrote:
82_28 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:14 pm wrote:In trump's case it is. Since he thinks he's a genius Adonis who brags about everything and insults everyone, any and all flaws are fair game.


Upon reflection I disagree; one reason, besides making others w/similar flaws feel demeaned, it reduces standards of behavior/empathy to Trump's level.


Where to begin....if you think that calling Trump a fat fucking liar is stooping to his level, go ahead. In case you haven't noticed, all this shit is about to collapse. Not necessarily tomorrow, or next month, but soon enough. But part of the problem is, if there is any hope, it's going to require more fire than just painting daisies on the jackboots of those who would laugh while they bulldoze us into pits. I admire your humanity and compassion and understand what you are saying. But we are on the precipice of hell. And Dear Leader lies about all things.

And sadly, they way it seems to go is, we won't bring him down without getting some of him on us.


No, just the fat part.(In my family-of-origin, looks & outward appearances meant everything; jokes/belittling fat people was routine sport. I thought I was past laughing at how people look, especially obesity, so I lack objectivity in this.) But no, I don't want to make fun of Trump's weight. Besides, he's really the New Puppet; the one to pile all the hate & blame on as we're moved closer to the abyss.......


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:11 pm

‘John Kelly is the man Fred Trump always wanted Donald Trump to be’

The White House chief of staff is traditionally responsible for pushing an agenda forward — not cleaning up messes or averting disaster.

ELIANA JOHNSON
01/12/2018 02:56 PM EST

President Donald Trump stirs up so many problems on a daily basis that his chief of staff, John Kelly, has come to define his success in terms of his ability to solve them. “If we end the day in neutral,” Kelly has told close associates on several occasions, “it’s a good day.”

Kelly still blames himself for returning to Washington during the president’s summer vacation at his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey, the day Trump condemned both sides for violence that erupted during a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. It was the first time Kelly spent an extended period away from the president after taking over from Reince Priebus in late July, and he felt that Trump might have avoided the ensuing public relations catastrophe had he been there. A distraught-looking Kelly stood behind the president the following Monday when he tried to repair his initial remarks in a follow-up speech at Trump Tower.

Thursday seemed to offer a case study of the challenges confronting Kelly — and it illustrates why he has come to adopt a largely defensive approach to his job. The day began with the president tweeting his opposition to the reauthorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act — a measure his own party was trying to push through Congress. It ended with a report that, in a closed-door meeting on immigration, he had demanded to know why the United States was admitting so many immigrants from “shithole countries.”

“In the chief-of-staff job, you juggle the balls that you have to. But normally, you know what those balls are. Now, you have a president who keeps throwing new balls, so [Kelly] is constantly having to rejuggle,” said Leon Panetta, President Bill Clinton’s onetime chief of staff.

The White House disputed the notion that Kelly blamed himself for the president’s remarks, and said that every day the American people go to bed safe is a good day.

But Kelly’s mind-set, reported by POLITICO for the first time, is a testament to how Trump has transformed not only the presidency but the role of presidential chief of staff. Often described as the second most-powerful position in government, the job has previously demanded a deep understanding of politics and policy. Presidential No. 2s have worked to ration their bosses’ time and to help them prioritize in order to push their agendas forward; Kelly more often tries to keep Trump occupied and at arm’s length from the levers of power and the workings of government.

His attitude is not entirely unprecedented. Jimmy Carter’s chief of staff, Jack Watson, referred to the chief of staff as the “javelin catcher” — though in his analogy, the javelins were heading toward, rather than coming from, the president. At the same time, some are raising concerns that Kelly, whose military background gives him a discrete Washington toolkit, is trying to do too much.

These people say that, while the former Marine general is an able crisis manager who has brought discipline to the West Wing, he lacks the political know-how and the relationships on Capitol Hill essential to any White House — even one with a disruptor-in-chief.

This account of how Kelly has refashioned the position into one devoted largely to damage prevention and cleanup is based on 10 interviews with White House officials, Capitol Hill aides and former presidential chiefs of staff, several of whom requested anonymity in order to speak candidly.

“Trump is unique,” said Chris Whipple, author of the historical tome “The Gatekeepers: How the White House Chiefs of Staff Define Every Presidency.” “But it’s not enough to say, ‘You wouldn’t believe the shit I stopped from happening.’”

Current and former colleagues say that even as Kelly has taken greater control over legislative affairs — in late December, he announced that the administration’s congressional liaison, Marc Short, would report directly to him — he has a dim view of lawmakers, sometimes referring to them as “a bunch of idiots,” according to two White House aides. He also has expressed frustration with the pace at which legislation moves through Congress.

Nowhere has his exasperation been more evident than in his dealings with Congress on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, the Obama-era initiative that granted legal protection to people brought to the country illegally as children, an issue he tangled with lawmakers over as secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

“Those idiots up there, it’s going to be their fault if DACA doesn’t happen,” Kelly told colleagues in a recent meeting, according to the two White House aides. Trump ended the program in September, and Congress now faces a March deadline to act before it officially expires.

As DHS secretary, Kelly pressed lawmakers to act on DACA before the president terminated the program and, as he has said publicly, “They did exactly nothing” — an experience the military man found particularly galling.

When Democratic Illinois Rep. Luis Gutiérrez called him a “disgrace to the uniform” after a private meeting with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, Kelly shot back that members of Congress “have the luxury of saying what they want as they do nothing and have almost no responsibility.”

“As my blessed mother used to say,” he added, “‘empty barrels make the most noise.’”

It was the same phrase he would use six weeks later when he emerged at the podium in the White House briefing room to defend the president against charges leveled by Florida Democratic Rep. Frederica Wilson, that Trump had been thoughtless, if not downright rude, in the handling of a condolence call to the widow of a fallen special forces officer. Calling Wilson an “empty barrel,” Kelly went on to bungle an account of the opening of an FBI building in South Florida, wrongly accusing her on national television of delivering self-centered and self-indulgent remarks at the event in 2015.

“He spoke up in a situation where he should not have spoken and, I think, should’ve had the judgment not to speak at all,” said one former White House chief of staff. “There’s no benefit to the chief of staff getting into a back-and-forth with any member of Congress. The role requires you to stay out of that kind of stuff.”

While there is broad agreement that Kelly’s public criticism of Wilson was a mistake, those who have worked closely with him say his dustups with Democrats are indicative of a general contempt for lawmakers — one that, over time, could undermine the White House’s relationship with Capitol Hill.

“As a military officer and somebody who spent his life as a Marine, he had a lot of concerns about whether those in Congress are really committed to the country or to themselves,” said Panetta, for whom Kelly served as military assistant during the Obama administration, when Panetta was secretary of defense. “I think generally as an institution, he oftentimes raised questions about whether they were really committed to doing what they said they were going to.”

As he has taken near total control of the White House, however, some of his White House colleagues have raised concerns that his attitude toward Congress will affect the administration’s ability to push forward its domestic agenda. While Republican senators are by and large grateful for his presence, he remains a remote and mysterious figure to most lawmakers, the vast majority of whom have had very little contact with him.

“There ought to be at least someone who is designated by the president and John who has the experience to really work with the Congress and get these tough challenges worked on. I think that’s what’s missing,” Panetta said. “The hope is that Congress can kind of get their act together. In my experience, that just doesn’t happen unless the White House is driving that process.”

James Baker, Ronald Reagan’s first White House chief of staff, had not been a part of Reagan’s inner circle before he was elected president, but he served in effect as his chief political strategist and convened regular meetings of a legislative strategy group to hash out presidential priorities.

Panetta himself, based on his own experience as a California congressional representative, was able to warn Clinton that then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich was likely to be a difficult negotiating partner in the 1995 budget negotiations — talks that eventually led to a monthlong government shutdown for which Clinton was mentally prepared, and for which the GOP took the blame.

Where Kelly has been far more successful is in imposing discipline on the West Wing. He’s stopped aides from wandering in and out of the Oval Office, limited the information that makes its way to the president’s desk, and dismissed underperforming staffers and those with vague or nonexistent duties.

“Chief of staff John Kelly has dedicated his life to serving our country. He is an exemplary chief of staff who has brought order, discipline and years of experience to the White House,” said deputy White House press secretary Lindsay Walters.

“He has gotten people to up their game in staff meetings,” said a senior White House official. “People come better prepared.”

But while those close to him say Kelly has succeeded in disciplining the White House staff in ways Priebus, who held co-equal status with former chief strategist Steve Bannon, was not empowered to do, they also say he is less aware of his own blind spots. When the president was focused on a topic outside of his domain, for example, he would happily summon former Goldman Sachs President Gary Cohn or immigration adviser Stephen Miller.

Kelly, by contrast, keeps tight control over whom the president hears from, including his policy advisers — something some have likened to “control with no purpose,” since Kelly himself is ill-equipped to brief the president on domestic issues.

He seems to view his job as a set of challenges distinct from those faced by previous White House chiefs of staff, none of whom he has looked to much for advice.

A month after the presidential election, 10 former White House chiefs of staff convened with President-elect Trump’s incoming chief of staff, Priebus, to offer their advice about how to succeed in the job. When Kelly replaced Priebus in July, several of the same men, including Rahm Emanuel, Bill Daley and Josh Bolten, reached out to Kelly, who did not respond to their overtures.

None, however, was critical of him for ignoring their phone calls — and each was sympathetic to the challenges he was confronting.

“Almost every one of those chiefs went in there thinking that this was probably mission impossible for Trump’s White House chief of staff, that this is a guy who is intellectually and temperamentally unfit for office,” said Whipple, who is at work updating his book with chapters on the Priebus and Kelly tenures in the White House.

“There’s never been anybody like Donald Trump in the Oval Office, so from Day One it’s been a challenge like no other for Kelly. Somebody really close to Trump told me this was like Fred Trump reaching from beyond the grave — John Kelly is the man Fred Trump always wanted Donald Trump to be.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/ ... aff-337987


Hungarian Police Have A Warrant Out For Former Trump Adviser Sebastian Gorka

Gorka's warrant on gun charges was in effect the entire time he was in the White House.

Hayes Brown
January 18, 2018, at 10:49 a.m.

Mary Calvert / Reuters
Former Trump White House staffer Sebastian Gorka has an active warrant out for his arrest in Hungary, according to the Hungarian police's website.

Gorka, whose exact role in the White House while serving as a deputy assistant to the president was never entirely clear, apparently is in trouble with the law over a charge of "firearm or ammunition abuse." The warrant, first reported in Hungarian online outlet 444, was issued on Sept. 17, 2016, prior to Trump's election.

That means that during the entire seven months Gorka spent in the White House, including when meeting with Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó in Washington last March, an arrest warrant was pending overseas.

Details about the reasoning behind the warrant are sparse: The Hungarian police's website only notes the date it was issued, the charge, and that it was filed with the Budaörs police station in Budapest. 444 noted that the charge could have resulted from an incident as far back as 2009. The police station did not immediately respond to BuzzFeed News' request for comment.


Hungarian Police

Gorka declined to comment. "Don't waste your time," he said when reached by phone. "I don't talk to BuzzFeed, thank you." After this story's publication, Gorka noted on Twitter that he moved to the US in 2008 while not denying that the warrant exists.

Gorka's affinity for guns is well-known. He told Recoil magazine in November that he packs a pistol — along with a knife and tourniquet — every day. In February 2016, he had a gun confiscated after attempting to bring it through Washington's Reagan National Airport.

BuzzFeed News previously reported on Gorka's history in Hungary.

The details of Gorka's leaving the White House still remain murky: He claims to have resigned, but reports at the time indicated that he was fired and the Secret Service ordered not to let him into the building. Whether or not Gorka possessed a security clearance during his months in the Trump administration is also at question, with reports suggesting he had none. A background check prior to the issuance of a clearance likely would have turned up Gorka's warrant.

CORRECTION

January 18, 2018, at 11:32 a.m.

Sebastian Gorka was born in London. A previous version of this article mistakenly referred to him as a native Hungarian.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:04 pm

“Forbes, huh? That’s … interesting.”

*keeps reading*

“Oh. Oh wow.”

*a little further*

“OH MY GOD.”


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Stormy Daniels Once Claimed She Spanked Donald Trump With a Forbes Magazine
At his request.
DAN FRIEDMANJAN. 18, 2018 4:07 PM

Last week, the Wall Street Journal triggered a new scandal for President Donald Trump when it reported that his lawyer, Michael Cohen, had paid porn star Stormy Daniels $130,000 to keep quiet about a decade-old sexual relationship she had with the future president. Cohen released a statement from Daniels denying she had engaged in any “sexual and/or romantic affair” with Trump. But immediately other accounts emerged challenging that denial.

Slate’s Jacob Weisberg reported that in 2016, Daniels, whose given name is Stephanie Clifford, told him that in 2006 she and Trump began a sexual relationship that lasted nearly a year. The Daily Beast published a story citing friends of Daniels saying she had told them about a fling with Trump. In Touch published an interview with Daniels from 2011 in which she herself described having a sexual affair with Trump. And Mother Jones has learned that Daniels years earlier talked about having had a sexual relationship with Trump—and in lurid detail. According to 2009 emails between political operatives who were at the time advising Daniels on a possible political campaign, the adult film actor and director claimed that her affair with Trump included an unusual act: spanking him with a copy of Forbes magazine.

“She says one time he made her sit with him for three hours watching ‘shark week.’ Another time he had her spank him with a Forbes magazine.”
In early 2009, Daniels announced that she was considering challenging Sen. David Vitter, the Louisiana Republican who two years earlier had been snared in a sex scandal. Vitter’s phone number was discovered in the records of the so-called D.C. Madam, who ran a prostitution ring in the nation’s capital. Vitter, who now is a lobbyist, was a prominent social conservative who opposed abortion and gay marriage. Daniels, who grew up in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, told reporters she wanted to highlight his hypocrisy. She offered up a potential campaign slogan: “Stormy Daniels: Screwing people honestly.”

Daniels was serious enough about running that she embarked on a May 2009 “listening tour” of the state and held discussions with local political consultants. Those conversations included coming up with possible campaign contributors. According to a May 8, 2009, email written by an operative advising Daniels, who asked not to be identified, Daniels at one point scrolled through her cellphone contacts to provide her consultants with a list of names. The email noted that the potential donors included Steve Hirsch, the founder of an adult entertainment company; Theresa Flynt, the daughter of Hustler’s Larry Flynt; Frazier Boyd, the owner of a strip club chain; and Jenna Jameson, the so-called “Queen of Porn.” Also on the list: Donald Trump.

This email was sent to Andrea Dubé, a Democratic political consultant based in New Orleans. In response, Dubé expressed surprise that Daniels was friendly with Trump. “Donald Trump?” she wrote. “In her cell phone?”

“Yep,” the other consultant replied. “She says one time he made her sit with him for three hours watching ‘shark week.’ Another time he had her spank him with a Forbes magazine.”

Dubé and the other consultant confirmed to Mother Jones they exchanged these emails.

The campaign consultant who wrote the email to Dubé tells Mother Jones that Daniels said the spanking came during a series of sexual and romantic encounters with Trump and that it involved a copy of Forbes with Trump on the cover.

A fall 2006 cover of Forbes does feature Trump and two of his children, Donald Jr. and Ivanka.


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In her seven-year-old interview with In Touch—which was only published this week—Daniels described Trump obsessively watching Shark Week in his hotel room during one of their visits. (In several tweets in 2013, Trump expressed strong views on sharks.) Daniels also noted that the first time she met Trump—at a July 2006 celebrity golf tournament—he invited her to his hotel room and boastfully showed off a magazine cover featuring himself—before they had sex.

Cohen told the Wall Street Journal there had been no affair between Trump and Daniels: “These rumors have circulated time and again since 2011. President Trump once again vehemently denies any such occurrence as has Ms. Daniels.” But Cohen did not address the alleged $130,000 payout—a claim especially serious because it raises the issue of whether the president could be blackmailed or influenced by someone who possessed information about any untoward personal behavior he might have engaged in. So far, Daniels’ only denial of a sexual relationship with Trump has come via the statement that Cohen released in her name.

Cohen did not reply to a request for comment. Neither did Daniels, her lawyer, or her former agent. White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders responded, “Would refer you back to comments given during the campaign on this. We have nothing new to add.”

According to Weisberg, Daniels in 2016 told him that her lawyer, Keith Davidson, had negotiated a hush-money arrangement with Cohen that did not include the real names of the parties, and she said she was concerned Trump was stalling on the deal and would fail to pay her. About a week before the election, Daniels stopped responding to calls and texts from Weisberg.

Fox News last year reportedly spiked a story that included an on-the-record statement from Daniels’ manager at the time, Gina Rodriguez, confirming that her client had engaged in a sexual relationship with Trump.

Daniels is one of several women associated with pornography who have claimed to have had sexual encounters with Trump. In 2016, porn star Jessica Drake said that Trump had kissed her without her consent and offered her $10,000 for sex. On November 4, 2016, the Journal reported that the National Enquirer, owned by Trump pal David Pecker, paid former Playboy centerfold Karen McDougal $150,000 for the rights to her account of a 10-month-long affair with Trump and then published no story on the purported relationship.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:12 pm

Karmamatterz wrote:
Why give one fuck whether you think a politician is lying? They all lie.


This is the defeatist, status quo-perpetuating "oh dear" response that excuses lying, assures us there's nothing we can do, we should just go on electing more liars. Brilliant strategy!

It's like the dull refrain, "there's always been war and there always will be war." So what the heck—let's have another war! (But this time, of course, it will clearly be a good and necessary war. Not like those other wars.)


You can call it defeatist Elvis, I don't care. Its being real. This latest installment of the Trump thread is now getting into Unicornland of what you wish things would be, but never will be. An elected official of our federal government would never ever lie....right. Hey, I do have some swampland for ya! I mean this is hysteria about worrying about the president's height and weight? LMFAO! Take to the streets! Write letters to the editors! Do you also believe in the George Washington cherry tree myth?

Right, there will always be war. Its what humans do. In-between all the happy and positive stuff in the course of history there is always war. Doesn't mean one actually supports war, but to deny reality is taking a deep dive into cognitive dissonance.

Elvis, if you've got the magic formula to get all the nations of the Earth to stop warring with each other then dude, bring it on! You will go down as near God-like in history. The status quo.....ummmm...it has been a constant for decades in our country and centuries in European and other countries. So much worry about Russian blackmailing? Hell, just look at all the lobbyists, and military industrial complex companies that surely engage in blackmail as a part of their standard operating procedure. As a matter of fact, there is probably more blackmailing going on in D.C. amongst Americans that there is by foreign powers. Its all a clusterfuck.

There is no top down approach to getting rid of lying, corrupt politicians, liberal or conservative. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE LYING ELECTED OFFICIALS. Its the nature of politics. Vote'm out if you don't like them.

If you can't beat them at least make yourself feel better attacking their looks.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:26 pm

If you can't beat them at least make yourself feel better attacking their looks.


30 Times Donald Trump Has Been Completely Insulting to Women

Donald Trump has insulted women for decades.

Trump reminded us of this when he unleashed a war of words on Fox News host Megyn Kelly in August 2015, questioning her professionalism and suggesting she treated him unfairly at a Republican debate last year because she was menstruating. (Trump later denied that suggestion.)

Kelly had asked Trump about his stance on women, saying, "You’ve called women you don’t like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals." Trump tried to cut her off, insisting he’s only said those things about Rosie O’Donnell.

Kelly and Trump have "agreed to disagree," according to Kelly. And Trump told Face the Nation that he’d be "phenomenal to women."

But Kelly was right to question him on his stance on the women. The leading Republican candidate has repeatedly insulted women. Here are 28 instances:

1. He insulted pretty much all women. In a May 1991 Esquire magazine profile, Trump had this to say about his recent bad press: "You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass. But she’s got to be young and beautiful."

2. He insulted a breastfeeding mother. "You’re disgusting." Trump hurled this barb at a female lawyer, who, during a deposition involving Trump, asked for a medical break to pump breast milk for her 3-month-old daughter. . . .


You get the picture. The rest at the link as if you have to read all this well known shit all over again:

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/ne ... lts-women/

So sure, everyone go easy on the guy.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm

sure now you tell me after 269 pages :P


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Trump lawyer used private company to pay adult film star: report

President Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen reportedly used a private company and a pseudonym to get money to an adult film star who allegedly had an affair with the president in 2006.

The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that Cohen used Essential Consultants LLC to send a lawyer representing the actress who calls herself Stormy Daniels $130,000 as part of a nondisclosure agreement concerning her relationships with Trump, who has been married to first lady Melania Trump since 2005. Cohen represented the Trump Organization at the time.

In making the transaction, both Cohen and Daniels's lawyers used pseudonyms, according to the Journal. The deal allegedly occurred in October 2016, just weeks before voters headed to the polls.

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This is great: Michael Cohen *could've* shielded his identity on the formation documents for the LLC he set up to preserve anonymity for the Stormy Daniels payment.

Instead, he listed himself as an "authorized person.
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5:19 PM - Jan 18, 2018

Cohen and the White House have denied the alleged affair with Daniels, and have not commented on the $130,000 payout, which the Journal first reported last week.

Trump “once again vehemently denies” the encounter, Cohen said in a statement last week.

“This is now the second time that you are raising outlandish allegations against my client,” Cohen said in the statement. “You have attempted to perpetuate this false narrative for over a year; a narrative that has been consistently denied by all parties since at least 2011.”

On Wednesday, InTouch published excerpts from an interview with Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, from 2011 in which Clifford claims to have had sex with the president after meeting him Nevada in 2006.

“[The sex] was textbook generic,” Daniels said. “I actually don’t even know why I did it, but I do remember while we were having sex, I was like, ‘Please, don’t try to pay me.’ ”

Daniels also told the publication that, after the encounter, Trump kept saying: “ ‘I’m gonna call you, I’m gonna call you. I have to see you again. You’re amazing. We have to get you on 'The Apprentice.’ ”
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Elvis » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:00 am

Karmamatterz wrote:Elvis, if you've got the magic formula to get all the nations of the Earth to stop warring with each other then dude, bring it on!


'k, here's the magic formula: It starts with you (and me), it starts with individuals changing those attitudes that say we're hopeless and helpless, that we're doomed to making the same mistakes for eternity.

Another one is the facile assertion that "People by nature are greedy." That's just a license to be greedy. Hey c'mon, everybody's doing it!

I really think those mindsets are what's holding humanity back.


Btw, find any examples of Bernie Sanders telling a lie?


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There is no top down approach to getting rid of lying, corrupt politicians, liberal or conservative.

Exactly precisely.
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Postby norton ash » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:54 pm

In my experience, most people are generous. They will give directions and help to a stranger, tip beyond what they can afford out of kindness to cab drivers and servers (not out of ego or showing off) and give everyone the benefit of the doubt. There's a line that gets crossed somewhere, when the decency of the Steinbeck and the Trumbo who lend a few bills and don't call the cops... moves into affluence and paranoia. Trumbo said that Americans are not finks by principle. Go a bit higher and witness the clambering rats.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Elvis » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:40 pm

norton ash » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:54 am wrote:In my experience, most people are generous. They will give directions and help to a stranger, tip beyond what they can afford out of kindness to cab drivers and servers (not out of ego or showing off) and give everyone the benefit of the doubt. There's a line that gets crossed somewhere, when the decency of the Steinbeck and the Trumbo who lend a few bills and don't call the cops... moves into affluence and paranoia. Trumbo said that Americans are not finks by principle. Go a bit higher and witness the clambering rats.


Very astute, norton.

And a lot of voters were tricked into believing that Trump would bring fairness to American politics. Again, compare Trump to Sanders: Trump is an acquisitive egotist, always wanting more; Sanders has a nice Senate salary and pension, his wife has a good job too, they don't spend their lives chasing wealth and luxury. Which one is genuinely striving for fair play?
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:42 pm

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There is a reason Sanders didn't square up against Trump in this past election; the same reason he'll never become President.
It's for the reasons you outline above, Elvis, along with the sentiment alluded by Norton Ash: "Americans are not finks by principle. Go a bit higher and witness the clambering rats."

Sanders is no 'clambering rat', therefore he will never become President, unless or until he becomes a 'clambering rat'.

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Postby Elvis » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:34 pm

Belligerent Savant » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:42 am wrote:.
There is a reason Sanders didn't square up against Trump in this past election; the same reason he'll never become President.
It's for the reasons you outline above, Elvis, along with the sentiment alluded by Norton Ash: "Americans are not finks by principle. Go a bit higher and witness the clambering rats."

Sanders is no 'clambering rat', therefore he will never become President, unless or until he becomes a 'clambering rat'.



Very well said. Americans* are not very good at spotting the rats and shunning them as leaders—that needs work. Consciousness needs to raised.


*I'm using "America" more interchangably with "U.S." because the rest of North America doesn't want to be called "American" and that's what they call U.S. citzens.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby peartreed » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:11 pm

As we mark Trump’s inauguration anniversary with a government shutdown we should reconsider electing unqualified celebrities to the country’s highest office. Since Oprah’s oratory at the latest Hollywood awards show there is now a popular movement to nominate her to run to replace Trump in the next election. When will the media-saturated mindless masses realize that celebrity is not a qualification and that fame alone is not an entitlement to power? Has tv stardom seduced our senses, including common sense? Do scripted performers now earn access to real roles? The world of make believe has now become the greatest threat to our actual survival. The mindless audience of entertainment is mistaking the show as real.

The actor hired to fire apprentices began to believe his omnipotent role was real and the stupid, gullible, mesmerized media audience bought it and elected him. That has now shut down the country’s government. When will we wake up?
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