The Gloves Come Off

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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby semper occultus » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:16 am

I assume that China, maybe along with Japan, et al., will come from the Pacific side, and Russia, along with who knows—Germany?—from the Atlantic side. Yes, Mabel, a land invasion. Don't forget, China has an extra 5,000,000 sexually frustrated males available for whatever.


.....I've always liked the one about Indonesia disgorging itself into Australia aswell...

and it's not easy (or advisable?) to find out a lot online about U.S. nuclear weapons security—the U.S. nuclear arsenal is highly vulnerable to sabotage, with foreign contractors running a lot of the security stuff and U.S. firms doing just plain sloppy work. I expect there will be some uniformed dudes, and dudettes maybe, sitting in the bunkers, pressing the buttons, and...nothing happens.


...I assume its all submarine based these days isn't it ....and as you surmise the legacy nuclear weapon stash has to be far more of an endangerment to the US host population than our supposed enemies....
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby tapitsbo » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:53 am

The Chinese goverment may be extremely clever indeed, in a realist sense, but they give the West a run for its money in terms of the stupidity of their war on spirituality and the environment. I have quite a lot of respect for Chinese people on the other hand.

The plot twist that those who can imagine smoky rooms are forced to entertain however is that the PRC and the USSR were set up with enough Western support to beg the question of crypto-colonialism. So the irony of North America as Chinese colony would be delicious. Austerity, oligarchy, Schadenfreude
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby backtoiam » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:13 am

One of the things that goes overlooked because it gets lost in the day to day details of this big magic show that is orchestrated to fool the labor class is the concept of of control over entire nations through an ability to collapse a nation instantly through the banking systems.

Any country that doesn't control the manufacture of its own money can be collapsed with no bombs involved. All the banking system has to do is pull the plug on the money and everything goes to shit instantly for any nation that will not behave and stick with the big agenda.

Even China and Russia are part of the London banking system which means they can be collapsed pretty quick of London decides it is necessary. The control structure of nations is tightly controlled and people that won't play the game are not allowed to occupy positions of authority important enough to make policy decisions that might go against the banking system.

Once a person understands this the machinations of the day to day game become much easier to decipher. You won't be able to discuss it in a forum because the gate keepers will rush in and muddy the water and that will probably happen simply from this post.

But if you keep that simple concept in mind it becomes much easier to spot the actors and ascertain what might come next.
I still don't understand how Iceland supposedly broke away from the system and jailed their bankers. Maybe that is really true, maybe it isn't, but that sort of activity always gets a nation shuttered back into the stone age. Maybe Iceland really did break out of jail and the banking system decided to allow it so that it would not garner a lot of global attention and notice, i'm not sure.

But regardless, ultimate control is in the financial system and there may only be two or three countries left on this whole planet that are not controlled by it and the rest of what appears to be reality is a stage show to keep the labor pool inline. I think this is why Iran can't get off the enemy list.

Think about Russia. It appears that Russia is bucking the system but are they? In order to buck the system it would have to take control of the manufacture of its money first so that it would be insulated from sudden financial shock. Russia has not done that, and should it attempt to, financial shock and awe would radiate from the sky like a blinding flash of light and bombs would rain down like hailstones.

This concept is the secret and the key which is why it cannot be discussed intelligently without accusations of a dozen kinds being hurled all over the place.

This single concept can erase a lot of doubt about what it actually transpiring on the global level. It does not matter if a banking system is "nationalized" if the leaders of nations are tightly vetted and controlled, and you can bet your ass that they are.
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby Nordic » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:15 am

Turkey just shot down a Russian fighter jet.

Hello.

Anybody else reminded of the buildup to WW1? When the parties involved seemed to all be itching to go to war?

The idiocy ....
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby zangtang » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:55 am

If it looks like a script unfolding....maybe thats what it is. Doesn't mean that is what it is but it could be.

In which case I shall consider myself powerless to stop it.....& pretty much blameless.....not that it will be about blame by then.

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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby Nordic » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:15 pm

Yeah, and I wonder if there's enough money in my bank account to move the family to Argentina or Uruguay. Oh wait. There's not. Hope nobody nukes Long Beach.
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby slimmouse » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:31 pm

We have been stabbed in the back by terrorist accomplices


Vladimir Putin

Im assuming he's talking about Russia, but he may as well be speaking for all of us.
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby Nordic » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:56 pm

slimmouse » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:31 pm wrote:
We have been stabbed in the back by terrorist accomplices


Vladimir Putin

Im assuming he's talking about Russia, but he may as well be speaking for all of us.



That knife's been stuck there for a while.
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:05 pm

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Time to start brushing up on that mutual aid in case of the worst.
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:32 pm

zangtang » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:55 am wrote:If it looks like a script unfolding....maybe thats what it is. Doesn't mean that is what it is but it could be.


I'm glad at least one American isn't adhering to the script. For now.


Russian entry into Turkish airspace lasted 'seconds': U.S. official
Reuters
1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States believes Russia's incursion into Turkish airspace on Tuesday likely lasted only a matter of seconds before Turkey shot down a Russian warplane, a U.S. official said, saying the assessment was based on preliminary indications.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the United States was still investigating the incident.

(Reporting by Phil Stewart; Editing by Doina Chiacu)
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:24 pm

Per Mark Ames:

Wars have a funny way of taking on a life of their own. The protagonists tend to lose control over the plot lines, the narrative threads. Syria is that kind of war, an overlap of wars and agendas that has made it almost impossible for anyone—especially our media scolds—to make black and white, good guys/bad guys sense of.

But there are some things to keep in mind, as events get away from us, and our media hacks mangle and distort pretty much everything you’ll see and read over the next days and weeks:

1.Turkey shot down the Russian plane on the border of Syria’s Latakia province—the coastal home base of Syria’s Alawites, the tribe that Syrian leader Bashar Assad comes from—and Turkey’s Hatay province. As the War Nerd explained a few years ago, Turks are extremely sensitive over any violation of Hatay province, which had belonged to Syria until 1940, when France handed it to Turkey as a gift to keep them from siding with Germany in another world war. To quote the War Nerd on a minor incident a few years ago, when a few Syrian mortars landed in Turkey’s Hatay province: “So when a few Syrian mortar shells landed in Hatay Province, on the south coast of Turkey, foam started to form on the lips of every Turkish nationalist, which is to say, everybody in Turkey (minus the Kurds). And the fact that Hatay Province isn’t really ‘Turkish’ territory—well, that just makes the Turks more determined to hold onto it.”


2.Russia has been bombing the Al Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra in Latakia province, as well as the 1st Coastal Division of the FSA, which is backed by Qatar. Latakia is not only the home base for the ruling Alawites, it’s also the home to the main Russian airbase.


3.There’s a serious dispute over whether or not Russia actually violated Turkey’s airspace, but even by Turkey’s version, the Russian SU-24 flew over a small little thumb of Turkish territory that extends into Syria. (See the radar map at the bottom of this Al Jazeera article.)


4.Turkey is the main supporter of ISIS. See this comprehensive and damning report by Columbia University’s David Phillips, listing all the ways, financial and otherwise, that Turkey supports ISIS.


5.There is much more to the Turkey-Russia rivalry than ISIS: The oil-rich Caucasus region and Central Asia. Turkey has been playing a careful double-game with and against Russia for influence in Chechnya and the North Caucasus. Turkey also played a central role in the fight for control over Caspian Sea oil distribution. Whereas the Soviet/Russian empire used to control the flow of oil out of Azerbaijan to market, today, thanks to the Baku-Ceyhan oil pipeline backed by a consortium of western oil companies, oil from Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan can circumvent Russian territory by traveling through Georgia and out through the Turkish port at Ceyhan. Turkey’s influence in the region is linguistic and cultural as well—Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan speak a Turkic language, as do other Central Asian countries Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan.


6.As the War Nerd noted earlier, the Syrian regime decided to stock up almost exclusively on Russian air defense systems, many of which are very good. Now we’re starting to see why. With Hillary talking about setting up a “no fly zone” in Syria, and Turkey bombing Kurdish rebels, those surface-to-air systems could start wreaking havoc on Turkey and other non-Russian planes flying over the region.


7.The range of possible responses Putin has at his disposal is so large, one wonders what the Hell Turkey was thinking. (See point #1...) Russia has long deep ties with Kurdish rebels, both inside Turkey and along Turkey’s borders. Russia is crucial to Turkey’s economy: Turkey gets 57% of its natural gas imports from Russia, Russia is Turkey’s second largest trading partner, and its second-largest source of tourists. (See this Bloomberg article.)


8.Russia will just have to play and replay the shooting down of its jet, and the Syrian rebels gloating over the dead pilots, to see Putin’s already sky-high popularity ratings push even higher. Ukraine’s top political figures are gloating in support of Turkey, something that’s not going over well in Europe and France especially. Point being: this is working out wonderfully for Putin.

In fact, if there’s any conspiracy I can make sense of with what’s gone on over the past year and a half, it’s that anti-Russia neocons and their pals have been doing everything possible to increase Putin’s popularity and power at home, in order to build him up as an even more plausible villain over here. Or maybe they’re straight-up Putin moles. But that of course gives everyone, especially these idiots, too much credit.

Today it looks like Russia is gaining the biggest advantage from the mess in Syria. But all that could change on a dime. Wars are funny that way.
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby tapitsbo » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:23 pm

Backtoiam, who's to say that London is still the head of the dragon? Obviously it's still powerful but power shifts over time.

As Alice's threads attest, the puppet groups of imperialists are losing their knack for swaying the minds of the masses, especially in places like the middle east.
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby backtoiam » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:44 pm

Backtoiam, who's to say that London is still the head of the dragon? Obviously it's still powerful but power shifts over time.


Yes in a way that is true but the concept is the same. In the past money had to physically travel and could not be transferred by computers and the financial head of the dragon was easier to define. In the digital age money is not what it once was and is even more fictional than ever before. I suppose "London" could actually just be a metaphor these days because of the fictional nature of money in the digital age but the concept of the control structure of money is still roughly the same. Those who decide what money is, and who shall have some, are running this damn show on a global level, regardless of where they live or what labels we apply. The wind can be sucked out of an entire country overnight if the need arises simply by pulling the plug on the money. Nobody really has any incentive to do that because its too obvious and also because it would shut off the feeder the psychopaths feed from. Blood and guts have to roll in the street because this is what drives the money system.
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby justdrew » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:39 pm

slimmouse » 24 Nov 2015 09:31 wrote:
We have been stabbed in the back by terrorist accomplices


Vladimir Putin


does this mean that Putin said that in re this incident?
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Re: The Gloves Come Off

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:11 am

Yes, Putin is reported to have said this re Turkey.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34913173

Russian President Vladimir Putin has bitterly condemned the downing of a Russian jet on the Turkey-Syria border.
He described it as a "stab in the back" committed by "accomplices of terrorists."
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