Active Shooter San Bernardino

[Elvis]

On the same website:

Image for the news result

ISIS message Tashfeen Malik posted on Facebook during attack
Business Insider‎ - 10 hours ago
48,243 views



FBI director: San Bernardino shooters never expressed public support for jihad on social media
Business Insider‎ - 2 days ago
5,272 views


I guess Business Insider doesn't have an editor? I'm tempted to e-mail the second link to the writer at the first link. And, interesting the bogus repeat story has almost 10X the number of views.

At the first link (Alice's link), I didn't see a single comment refer to the news from two days ago that the FBI had refuted and retracted the story.

I got curious about Business Insider and looked at the Wikipedia article.

Acquisition

In September 2015, Re/Code revealed that Germany's largest publisher, Axel Springer, was nearing an agreement to acquire the entire share capital of Business Insider Inc. for a reported "500 million euros ($560 million)".[15]

On 29 September 2015, Axel Springer SE announced that it had acquired 88% of the stake in Business Insider Inc. for a reported $343 million (€306 million).[16][17] After the purchase Axel Springer SE will hold a stake of approximately 97%, the personal investment company of Jeff Bezos will hold the further shares.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Insider

So I looked at the Axel Springer SE article:

Corporate principles

Part of the articles of association of Axel Springer AG are the five socio-political preambles that were written by Axel Springer in 1967, amended in 1990 following German reunification and supplemented in 2001.[5]

To uphold liberty and law in Germany, a country belonging to the Western family of nations, and to further the unification of Europe.
To promote reconciliation of Jews and Germans and support the vital rights of the State of Israel.
To support the Transatlantic Alliance, and solidarity with the United States of America in the common values of free nations.
To reject all forms of political totalitarism.
To uphold the principles of a free social market economy.

[SonicG]

"free social market economy" = free socialism for the rich and vicious capitalism for the rest...(to paraphrase J. Biafra I believe)
/offtopic

ETA:
But the issue is getting some notice:

Why wasn't San Bernardino prevented? The hard truth that no one wants to admit.

That appears, based on the information that is so far publicly available, to be what happened in San Bernardino: that Malik and Farook made a private and personal decision to take up terrorism "inspired" by ISIS, a group that is widely covered in the news and thus required no unusual behavior to learn about. And because they exhibited no outward signs of this decision that law enforcement could plausibly track or investigate, they were free to acquire firearms and plan their attack unmolested.

The only breadcrumb the attackers appear to have dropped was a vague set of social media direct messages in late 2013 that, according to Comey, "show[ed] signs in their communication of their joint commitment to jihad and to martyrdom." But these messages were private: Law enforcement had no legal means to access them, and even if they did, they had no reason to look.

The only universe in which law enforcement would have seen those messages before the attack is one in which the FBI or NSA reads every private social message written by every American or US visitor, then somehow examines them all to look for clues. In the Farook/Malik case, it sounds like that would have to include even messages sent on dating websites. That is a world that sounds Orwellian and perhaps not even technologically feasible.
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/17/10440854/ ... -prevented

[Elvis]

No social media posts, no wife visits to the rifle range, no argument at the party. Those early leaks are now known to be false. We'll probably never know who planted them.

Is planting. Right at the top of my Yahoo! home page this morning:

Here's the ISIS message the female San Bernardino shooter posted on Facebook during the attack
Business Insider By Pamela Engel
9 hours ago [Dec 17]

Can you imagine Walter Cronkite "Tweeting" his opinions? In any case it's interesting to see what the Business Insider repeater Pamela Engel pushes in her Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/PamEngel12

[stickdog99]

Still zero evidence of a women shooter.

But who cares? We can all trust crazy guy without a lawyer and with the full brunt of the security state aligned against him. His innuendo against the dead couple is unassailable. I mean, he was the guy's friend!

[MacCruiskeen]

Still zero evidence of a women shooter.

And still zero evidence of a child-sized shooter of either sex.

But who cares?

If this board is anything to go by? About a dozen people, apparently, all of them anonymous and none of them lawyers.

[MacCruiskeen]

Where are the family's lawyers, by the way? Why not a word from them, since their clearly-frightened press conference?

[MacCruiskeen]

In online dating profiles believed to be his, Farook described himself as a six foot tall Chicago native of Pakistani descent who spoke Urdu. On one account he listed his family values as "Eastern and Western Mix".

Under the "more information" section he wrote: "I work for county as health, safety and environmental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religious books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target practice".

The profiles on imilap.com and dubaimatrimonial.com were probably set up six years ago as both listed his age as 22. ...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/san-bernardino ... ik-1531617

So WHAT HEIGHT WAS TASHFEEN MALIK?

Or is this too now Top Secret, FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY??

jfc

[Elvis]

I didn't want to clog the "Something not right" thread with this topic, so I'll reply to Dr. Evil here:

viewtopic.php?p=584002#p584002

Two witnesses saw three people, and no one has explicitly said that one of them was small and child-like?

But the witnesses did explicitly say they saw three tall white men ("Just regular white guys."), and no witness is recorded saying they saw anything different than three tall white men.

Add to that, every damning, anonymous leak/rumor about the couple has turned out to be phony, yet gets trumpeted across the airwaves repeatedly, while the named, recorded witnesses saying they saw "three tall white men" is drowned out by the chorus of "wife pledged jihad on FB," "wife practiced at rifle range," "Farook left angry," "Farook argued with pro-Israel co-worker," "couple may have been radicalized," "a co-worker recognized Farook's voice"; etc.—all now discredited.

Following that line, along with the ignoring of witness reports, also omitted are other facts—not anonymous leaks—which contradict the legend created by the setup, e.g. Farook's pro-Israel co-worker was frustrated because in their ongoing civil discussions, Farook 'would not agree that Islam is not a religion of peace' and so on.

When you strip away all those discredited leaks and rumors, and consider certain known facts, and certain key (and likely knowable) unknowns, just e.g. the whereabouts of the couple in the intervening four hours and why in the world they would rent an SUV when they owned at least two cars, etc., what's left?: a scenario highly suggestive of a professional frameup.

[Burnt Hill]

Is there a name attached to any witness that stated 'three tall men"?

[elfismiles]

Is there a name attached to any witness that stated 'three tall men"?

2 or three named witnesses upstream up thread

[Burnt Hill]

Is there a name attached to any witness that stated 'three tall men"?

2 or three named witnesses upstream up thread

Thank you elfismiles! I am re-reading the thread and I see your post about reports of "two masked men" at the scene, that's important too. I was believing there were no reports of "two" perps. Do you remember where you got that info?


*Short term memory loss, sigh...elfismiles said "2 gunmen with masks".

[Cordelia]

So WHAT HEIGHT WAS TASHFEEN MALIK?

All I could find, according to a lawyer:

"Malik was of petite stature, which led David S. Chesley, another attorney for the Farook family, to assert that she was an unlikely gunman in the San Bernardino attacks. "She was never involved in shooting. She's probably about 90 pounds, so it's unlikely she could even carry a weapon or wear some type of a vest or do any of this," Chesley said................

"Last May, Malik and her husband rented a townhouse in Redlands, about seven miles from the attack site, said Doyle Miller, their landlord and owner of the townhouse. The couple answered Miller's ad on Craigslist.
Miller said his wife interviewed the couple and he did not know them well. The couple had good credit.

"They seemed to be very timid," he told CNN. "I only saw him a couple times. He delivered the checks once in a while ... there was no cause for concern.

"Once we rented the property, we don't bother people," Miller said. "They seemed like gentle-minded people. I guess you can't judge a book by its cover."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/tashfe ... t-we-know/

Definition of stature in English:
noun
1A person’s natural height: a man of short stature she was small in stature

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... sh/stature

Some witnesses reported three tall shooters but nobody noticed one couple (parents of an infant) with the statures of Mutt & Jeff ? Apply critical thinking.

[Elvis]

Is there a name attached to any witness that stated 'three tall men"?

Juan Hernandez

Sally Abdelmageed

Frank Montes (called by his niece from the scene)


Mac posted a video featuring each of them:

Three separate witnesses describe THREE shooters (three MEN) - "tall", "appeared to be white", "athletic", etc:



5mins 9 secs.The actual interviews begin about 56 secs in.

There's at least one other witness on news video (on the thread somewhere) saying they saw at least one shooter calmly walk to an SUV and drive away in it. (Probably the black GMC Yukon reported to have left the scene and which would at least resemble the abandoned black Yukon found three hours later.)



+1 "apply critical thinking"

[Burnt Hill]

So WHAT HEIGHT WAS TASHFEEN MALIK?

All I could find, according to a lawyer:

"Malik was of petite stature, which led David S. Chesley, another attorney for the Farook family, to assert that she was an unlikely gunman in the San Bernardino attacks. "She was never involved in shooting. She's probably about 90 pounds, so it's unlikely she could even carry a weapon or wear some type of a vest or do any of this," Chesley said................

"Last May, Malik and her husband rented a townhouse in Redlands, about seven miles from the attack site, said Doyle Miller, their landlord and owner of the townhouse. The couple answered Miller's ad on Craigslist.
Miller said his wife interviewed the couple and he did not know them well. The couple had good credit.

"They seemed to be very timid," he told CNN. "I only saw him a couple times. He delivered the checks once in a while ... there was no cause for concern.

"Once we rented the property, we don't bother people," Miller said. "They seemed like gentle-minded people. I guess you can't judge a book by its cover."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/tashfe ... t-we-know/

Definition of stature in English:
noun
1A person’s natural height: a man of short stature she was small in stature

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... sh/stature

Some witnesses reported three tall shooters but nobody noticed one couple (parents of an infant) with the statures of Mutt & Jeff ? Apply critical thinking.

Thanks Cordelia, I am trying to determine Tashfeens true stature here too.
Not sure why the lawyer would say "it's unlikely she could even carry a weapon or wear some type of a vest or do any of this".Even if she really only weighed "90" lbs., her potentially small stature would not preclude her from being able to do such things.

[Burnt Hill]

Is there a name attached to any witness that stated 'three tall men"?

Juan Hernandez

Sally Abdelmageed

Frank Montes (called by his niece from the scene)




Mac posted a video featuring each of them:

Three separate witnesses describe THREE shooters (three MEN) - "tall", "appeared to be white", "athletic", etc:



5mins 9 secs.The actual interviews begin about 56 secs in.

There's at least one other witness on news video (on the thread somewhere) saying they saw at least one shooter calmly walk to an SUV and drive away in it. (Probably the black GMC Yukon reported to have left the scene and which would at least resemble the abandoned black Yukon found three hours later.)



+1 "apply critical thinking"

Thanks Elvis, not sure why I missed that!